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I'm moving Survival (Game mode) to Survival as it couldn't mean anything else. I don't have any move powers but I'll just do it manually. Admins delete these pages (Survival (disambiguation) and Survival (Game mode)) later, okay? --Scykei 20:41, 20 November 2010 (CST)


Is Disambiguation Needed?

I don't think anyone who is finding about Survival would be interested in Indev, Infdev, etc. They might only be interested in the game mode. Besides, in the Survival page itself holds links to those pages. --Scykei 14:19, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

you'd be surprised. but there are several versions of "survival"--Kizzycocoa 14:22, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
There is one, and only one survival. It's the same thing as making a "RPG Game Type" article and getting redirected to a list of RPG games, instead of explaining what a RPG game is. All the other links to "Survival" are merely games that has this game mode. --Scykei 08:29, 21 November 2010 (CST)
wrong. there is survival test, SMP, SSP and the indevs have all been called survival at one point or another, not to mention the game mode page.--Kizzycocoa 14:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I still think with contemporary usage, there should only be two, but I understand the relevance of the others given the context. Reduce the list to the two 'types' of survivor, and add Template:Minecraft at the bottom? simpler, easier?  ANNOYING  14:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
They were called survival? because on the top left corner of the screen, it clearly says Indev, Infdev or Alpha. It never says Survival. But anyway, you gave me the idea to move SMP from the Alpha article here. :P I'll do it the next morning. Am sleepy. :D --Scykei 08:52, 21 November 2010 (CST)
no-one is going to move/delete this page. survival can mean more than one thing, and someone searching for survival could be looking for SMP, SSP, alpha, survival test and survival (Game Mode). this page needs to exist.--Kizzycocoa 15:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay... so you might not agree but I strongly believe that this disambiguation is unnecessary. Like I said, Survival Test, Indev, Infdev and Alpha are only versions of the game that supports the actual Survival gameplay. As for SSP and SMP, I've updated the article to include both of them, as SMP has more relevance in the actual game mode article than the Alpha article, which is only the version that introduces it.

It makes no sense for people who are searching for the term "Survival" have any interest in Indev, etc, and telling them that Survival means Alpha is very misleading. Don't know if it works, but I'd like to hear someone else's opinion on this. Anyone? --Scykei 00:38, 22 November 2010 (CST)

feel free to delete indev/infdev. but alpha is commonly referred to "survival". SMP and SSP is also referred to that, and the game mode is referred to by survival as well.--Kizzycocoa 03:08, 22 November 2010 (CST)
I agree with this. You can remove indev/infdev but the rest have connotations towards survival gameplay. Seriously, adding Template:Minecraft will quell all your problems....  ANNOYING  03:20, 22 November 2010 (CST)
@Kizzycocoa, you're making it as though there are many items there. The truth is, there in that long list is only the game mode, and Alpha, according to you. Survival Singleplayer and Survival Multiplayer is exactly what the game mode is, just in singleplayer or multiplayer variations. And Alpha is not, and is never called Survival. --Scykei 03:27, 22 November 2010 (CST)
I assume that is why you have a problem with this. think like this. someone with lesser knowledge than you wants to see the old survival test. they search "survival". now, thanks to you, they're redirected to the game-mode page, and spend a few more minutes in confusion.
now, my way. they search survival, and they are presented with a variety of information, and can pick which to expand on. they choose the test version. no confusion or redirection is had at all.
which way is better?--Kizzycocoa 09:45, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't see what's the problem with having to go straight to the game mode. It has all the information about survival straight away. I've also put some links to show how the game mode has evolved. --Scykei 04:00, 22 November 2010 (CST)
the issue is that it has several meanings. hell, I've forgotten to do the diamond disambiguation and that stuff. these pages help direct the user straight away. now, we have a few choices. we link to the game mode, and they have to trawl through it knee-deep in description of the gamemode to find links. or, we have this page that is minimalistic in explanation, and helps direct users accordingly.--Kizzycocoa 04:21, 22 November 2010 (CST)
No, the problem is, it does not have several meanings! Alpha is not called Survival. D: Nor is any other versions in the development cycle. --Scykei 04:24, 22 November 2010 (CST)
oh, really? huh.
I distinctly remember SURVIVAL TEST being called survival. funny, huh? I must be absolutely wrong, mustn't I?--Kizzycocoa 10:32, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
It's not. It's just a test. When Alpha was created, Classic was named. So Survival Test falls under Classic. Besides, that is a test of the survival mode, which is what the article should tell about: what this survival actually is, what it was should be secondary information, which is what the History section is for. --Scykei 04:38, 22 November 2010 (CST)
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