Talk:Bee

How long do bees stay aggro?

I attempted to add a TODO to the article, but it was removed.

Could anybody with access to the decompiled "data values" add that info at some point? It would be very helpful.

Thanks,
--73.26.38.97 20:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Behavior: "passive" when a campfire is under a bee nest?

"Neutral" mobs will attack you if you attack them.

The page says that bees are "Passive" when a campfire is under their nest.

However, I have gotten stung by bees when accidentally punching one, even when a campfire is under their nest.

A campfire only makes honey theft non-provoking; it does not make the mobs non-Neutral. Should the page be updated to reflect this?

73.26.38.97 21:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

You are correct. I have removed that from the infobox. Putting a campfire under the bee nest simply eliminates one way of provoking a bee, but a bee can still be provoked in other ways. Amatulic (talk) 21:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Flower pots

Do flower pots have the same effect as flowers do for pollinating? The article does not mentions.--177.72.23.36 21:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

You'd probably have to run a test. In creative mode, find an open flower-free field in a plains biome, grow a birch or oak in it, set several flower pots with flowers around it, put a beehive on the tree trunk 1 block from the ground, hatch a couple of bee eggs, and see what happens. Amatulic (talk) 21:19, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

I just did this test. The bees ignore flowers in flower pots, and instead travel long distances to find flowers. If I plant flowers near the flower pots, they go for the planted flowers and ignore the flowers in the pots. I'll add something about that to the article. Amatulic (talk) 21:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Pollination specifics

Is there a way to make bees spread more pollen? Specifically is there a way to make bees spread pollen more before immediately returning to their beehive?

The Pollination page makes it seem like they cycle from becoming pollinated, then spreading pollen intentionally, then return to the hive.

76.120.27.240 23:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

I'd say a good way would be to put the crops to be pollinated between the bee nest and the flowers. Last time I experimented with bees in creative mode, I found they would find flowers 20 blocks away if there were no flowers nearby (you might need to leave one flower 2 blocks from the nest though). Your crop farm could extend from the bee nest and have a bunch of flowers on the other end of it. Amatulic (talk) 06:53, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

The Transgender Bee Issue

Compared to using edit summaries, this page is a better place to discuss whether or not to have the Trivia point about bees being transgender. Also, if it does get added, then the Tweets should be linked to like this:
{{Tweet|jappa|1400821519673081857|minecraft bee is trans|June 4, 2021}}</ref><ref>{{Tweet|jappa|1400831297606623234||June 4, 2021}}</ref>
The second Tweet might need to have a proper quote added, but otherwise, that's what should be done (as opposed to directly linking to them).

Right now, I don't have much of an opinion on whether or not the trivia point should be included. SLScool 16:47, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

So I've looked at some of the points made on the edit history page. The argument about "whether or not a real life bee can be trans" is irrelevant to bees inside the game, and personal opinions on the subject should be avoided. This discussion is about whether or not the trivia point should be added to the wiki or not.

The argument for adding it is that since the comment was made by a developer currently working on the game, that makes it viable to be added, just like with any other comment. One of the arguments against adding it is that the comment "was a joke", but this didn't stop other potentially jokey comments (for example, "Jean?") being added as trivia. Another argument against adding it is that this comment contradict previous comments made by other developers in the past ("the mobs are genderless"), but new comments don't necessarily need to be consistent with older comments, especially within the fiction of the game. The only somewhat good point I can see against adding this is that any comment from the developers could be added just for the sake of it, but I don't see that happening since most comments aren't so specific.

 Support Since I can't think of any other good point on the negative side, I think this trivia point should be added to trivia. Cat201 (talk) 18:01, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

 Support I feel like the last edit before it was removed sumarized it perfectly, mentioning how it was in relation to the bee being a trans icon in many communities, and not mentioning anything about notch. MaxHyper0310 (talk) 18:21, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

 Support Hmn, I quite frankly don't have a lot to add, y'all summed it up quite well. But yeah, there's a bunch of things supporting it as a trivia bit, and not really anything against it. --0Steven (talk) 18:29, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

For the longest of times I've known Minecraft as having no concept of gender for mobs. Every mob which can be bred can act like a mother and father; this is no different with bees. Code-wise (very simplified, that is), a bee extends the mob class. Cows, horses, axolotls, etc., all breedable - they all extend that very same class. So if we do wish to include this transgender statement, it actually goes for every mob in the game. Not to mention that the tweet should be read in context, which I've written down:

• "minecraft bee is trans" – @JasperBoerstra (Jasper Boerstra) on X, June 4, 2021 (1627 CEST June 4)
  • "Trans rights are human rights [newline] Support LGBTQ+ [newline] Happy Pride Month! I love you all !!" – @JasperBoerstra (Jasper Boerstra) on X, June 4, 2021 (1640 CEST June 4)
    • (in response to the question of what pronouns bees would have) "bee" – @JasperBoerstra (Jasper Boerstra) on X, June 4, 2021 (1706 CEST June 4)
• (not in same thread) "I mean, realistically all the mobs in minecraft would be simultaneous hermaphrodites because they can breed with whoever they want but then again, breeding in minecraft is eating a specific food together and then just POOF, a child appears." – @JasperBoerstra (Jasper Boerstra) on X, June 4, 2021 (1708 CEST June 4)
  • "Or maybe It's just mitosis" – @JasperBoerstra (Jasper Boerstra) on X, June 4, 2021 (1718 CEST June 4)
    • "We should probably not really look into it this much and just place some blocks" – @JasperBoerstra (Jasper Boerstra) on X, June 4, 2021 (1836 CEST June 4)
      • "Anyways what about the Cars Universe? That is WILD." – @JasperBoerstra (Jasper Boerstra) on X, June 4, 2021

As I illustrated above, that very tweet about bees being transgender has been woefully pulled out of its context. Therefore I  Oppose to inclusion of that trivia because of that, not to mention because Minecraft by its very nature has no concept of gender. DarkShadowTNT (talk) 18:31, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Mobs in game not having gender is unrelated to if this can be trivia, how about the Ender Dragon being referred to as she? The remark is just a comment about the bee being a symbol for trans rights, enforced by the reply by Jappa about pride month. MaxHyper0310 (talk) 18:37, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

That's because the Ender dragon is a bit of an exception among the rules, as after death it leaves an egg. With 'Enderman' - I believe '-man' is used here in the sense of nationality (coming from the End), such as Dutchman (coming from the Netherlands), Scotsman (coming from Scotland) and Yorkshireman (coming from Yorkshire) do without actually implying the mob's specific gender. DarkShadowTNT (talk) 18:53, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Okay so you're saying there's exceptions, so why is this an issue? Plus dont chickens lay eggs too? MaxHyper0310 (talk) 18:57, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Chickens can be bred like any other breedable mob, irrespective of both being capable of lying an egg and neither having a rooster texture. As to why this is an issue, it's because bees are like any other breedable mob, with either of two capable of spawning a baby bee. Whether or not a bee is a symbol for a particular community and whether or not something about a bee's nature has been said by one of Mojang's employees in context and what also appears to be in joking fashion is not worthy for trivia. DarkShadowTNT (talk) 19:09, 4 June 2021 (UTC)