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:::Remember that our infoboxes also can show their row descriptions when a Discord bot like Wiki-bot reads them, like Wiki-bot, so removing the "Renewable" section from the infobox wouldn't be the best idea. Also, infoboxes are supposed to give just a few wiew of things, not to be actual complete information sections, which makes the simple "Renewable: Yes" make sense. [[User:Thejoaqui777|Thejoaqui777]] ([[User talk:Thejoaqui777|talk]]) 13:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC) |
:::Remember that our infoboxes also can show their row descriptions when a Discord bot like Wiki-bot reads them, like Wiki-bot, so removing the "Renewable" section from the infobox wouldn't be the best idea. Also, infoboxes are supposed to give just a few wiew of things, not to be actual complete information sections, which makes the simple "Renewable: Yes" make sense. [[User:Thejoaqui777|Thejoaqui777]] ([[User talk:Thejoaqui777|talk]]) 13:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC) |
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::::It doesn't matter. The parameter is not mandatory, so if it's missing, it shouldn't mess up any bot that needs to read it. "Renewable: Yes" is meaningless and non-informative, as amply discussed above. It's best to remove it completely, and add a section about it. [[User:Amatulic|Amatulic]] ([[User talk:Amatulic|talk]]) 05:54, 26 July 2021 (UTC) |
::::It doesn't matter. The parameter is not mandatory, so if it's missing, it shouldn't mess up any bot that needs to read it. "Renewable: Yes" is meaningless and non-informative, as amply discussed above. It's best to remove it completely, and add a section about it. [[User:Amatulic|Amatulic]] ([[User talk:Amatulic|talk]]) 05:54, 26 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | ::AMA is now over. –'''[[User:Sonicwave|<span style="color:green">Sonicwave</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Sonicwave|<sup style="color:#008FB2">talk</sup>]]</small>''' 05:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | For a while now over on Minecraft Wiki Discord we have thrown around the idea of creating a community AMA over on [https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/ r/minecraft]. This idea has a couple of goals. |
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| − | While at first the idea was to make the community more aware of how they can help expand on the wiki, suggest some ideas on improving the wikis and generally allow us for more communication with the community. Today, with forced introduction of FandomDesktop there are many community members rightfully having some issues and questions. |
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| − | I believe it would be a great opportunity to talk with reader community, potentially encourage some of them to contribute and gather more ideas. This could help not just the English community, but also many international wikis since Reddit is an international community. |
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| − | It would be great to have community of Minecraft Wikis to participate in answering questions in this AMA, all editors are welcome to join in, of English Minecraft Wiki or any other international Minecraft Wiki communities. The details of AMA are yet to be established, we count on cooperation of subreddit moderators in organizing it. Very likely there will also be a channel on [[Minecraft Wiki:Discord|English Minecraft Wiki Discord Server]] for participants who decide to join in to cooperate on answering questions, since I think some chaos will be given for an event with many participants without any organized body behind them (which is usually the case for AMAs). |
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| − | :I fully support this AMA initiative, and would like to participate as an editor (same username on Reddit as here). Has this matter been discussed with r/Minecraft moderators already? --[[User:AttemptToCallNil|AttemptToCallNil]] ([[User talk:AttemptToCallNil|talk]]) 09:45, 7 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | :{{c|support}} I would like to participate as well, [https://www.reddit.com/user/MarkusRost u/MarkusRost] is my Reddit account. [[User:MarkusRost|MarkusRost]] ([[User talk:MarkusRost|talk]]) 09:51, 7 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | :{{c|Support}} this idea completely, since it not only would be an opportunity to explain the situation, but it's also an opportunity to expand us to a wider public. By "expand us" I meant helping users to know how to edit and do things. On Discord I'm TheSuperPlayer, and my reddit account is [https://www.reddit.com/user/thejoaqui777 u/thejoaqui777] (like my wiki account), so I'm able to participate too. Note that I may not be available on certain days, so maybe I can be there or I may not. [[User:Thejoaqui777|Thejoaqui777]] ([[User talk:Thejoaqui777|talk]]) 13:45, 7 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | :{{c|Support}}. Reddit account is [https://www.reddit.com/user/TheNintenGuru u/TheNintenGuru]. '''[[User:BDJP007301|BDJP]]''' <sup>([[User talk:BDJP007301|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/BDJP007301|c]])</sup> 13:49, 7 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | :{{c|Support}}, seems like a good idea. [https://reddit.com/u/Nixinova u/Nixinova] 23:17, 10 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | : {{c|Support}} this is really nice idea, as readers will be able to talk to many of editors (us), who built many parts of this wiki. Regarding reddit account: [https://www.reddit.com/user/ItzTreeIsLife u/ItzTreeIsLife]. --[[User:TreeIsLife|TreeIsLife]] ([[User talk:TreeIsLife|talk]]) 13:34, 17 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | : {{c|Support}} Not that I'm on reddit much, but my username is the same on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/user/amatulic -[[User:Amatulic|Amatulic]] ([[User talk:Amatulic|talk]]) 23:43, 25 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | : {{c|Support}} (Reddit username is [https://www.reddit.com/user/SonicwaveMC u/SonicwaveMC]) – and I've gotten confirmation that r/Minecraft mods are open to this as well. When would a good date for this be? It's worth noting that only two posts can be pinned at a time, one of which seems to be reserved for a build challenge and the other used as a major feedback area for experimental snapshots (which according to the [https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/oo3pvy/minecraft_118_experimental_snapshot_2_is_out/ last post], likely won't be happening for a few weeks); so we should probably have it fairly soon. For instance, I'd be open to having it start the weekend of August 7 and run for a week, or as long as the mods are willing to leave it up. –'''[[User:Sonicwave|<span style="color:green">Sonicwave</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Sonicwave|<sup style="color:#008FB2">talk</sup>]]</small>''' 01:42, 28 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | : {{c|Support}} Still not active much these days, but I am happy to respond to questions on reddit as /u/KnightMiner. '''[[User:KnightMiner|KnightMiner]]''' <sup>([[User talk:KnightMiner|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/KnightMiner|c]])</sup> 04:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| − | : {{c|info|}} I have put up the post at https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/p0k4va/ask_wiki_editors_and_admins_anything_about_the/; comments should start rolling in shortly. –'''[[User:Sonicwave|<span style="color:green">Sonicwave</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Sonicwave|<sup style="color:#008FB2">talk</sup>]]</small>''' 18:44, 8 August 2021 (UTC) |
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Note: It is possible to add 3 layers into navigation --TreeIsLife (talk) 13:42, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
- I propose an idea to do this. We can just update MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation to make 4 custom sections. Note that I don't know if the "Explore" category can have many customizations like the others, but it can be modified I think, so I propose that we should update to this only after UCX (FandomDesktop) releases:
- What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Currently, it looks like:
- Minecraft
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- Minecraft Dungeons
This should be changed to:
- Minecraft
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- Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
Thank you. Humiebeetalk contribs 21:53, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- I'd do these changes to MediaWiki:Sidebar:
* Games ** Minecraft|Minecraft ** Minecraft Dungeons|Minecraft Dungeons ** MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade ** Minecraft: Story Mode|Minecraft: Story Mode ** Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two|Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two ** Minecraft Earth|Minecraft Earth
- Because all of those games are official (even Story Mode is official in its way), and people might be interested in seeing them.
- If we someday use MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation, I'd use on that page:
* Minecraft (games)|Games ** Minecraft|Minecraft *** Java Edition|Java Edition *** Bedrock Edition|Bedrock Edition *** Education Edition|Education Edition ** Minecraft Dungeons|Minecraft Dungeons *** MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade ** Minecraft: Story Mode|Minecraft: Story Mode *** Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two|Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two ** Minecraft Earth|Minecraft Earth
- To make it more useful on FandomDesktop. Both options work anyway. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 00:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- The first option is fine but in the second option, if you are going to put discontinued games, you have to put discontinued versions OR remove the discontinued games (3DS and Console) (like the original proposal I made). Humiebeetalk contribs 21:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think we should only have 3 links to 3 current games. After all, our wiki has content for all those games and readers may be interested. Sure, they are discontinued, but I wouldn't compare them to 3DS or Legacy Console, since games like Story Mode or Earth are their own games unlike 3DS and Legacy, which are just ports of regular Minecraft to other devices. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 23:42, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- If so, I prefer the 1st option because editions are NOT games. Humiebeetalk contribs 16:40, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- While I agree that editions aren't games, people searches them and they are enoughly relevant to be included there. That's a reason of why I didn't include editions like Legacy, Pi or 3DS. Also, note that Wiki-navigation only affects FandomDesktop, and on Hydra Sidebar takes its place. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 16:50, 25 June 2021 (UTC) (Edit: I moved Earth down since it was discontinued.)
- If so, I prefer the 1st option because editions are NOT games. Humiebeetalk contribs 16:40, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think we should only have 3 links to 3 current games. After all, our wiki has content for all those games and readers may be interested. Sure, they are discontinued, but I wouldn't compare them to 3DS or Legacy Console, since games like Story Mode or Earth are their own games unlike 3DS and Legacy, which are just ports of regular Minecraft to other devices. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 23:42, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- The first option is fine but in the second option, if you are going to put discontinued games, you have to put discontinued versions OR remove the discontinued games (3DS and Console) (like the original proposal I made). Humiebeetalk contribs 21:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- Change the sidebar:
- Games*
- Minecraft
- Minecraft Dungeons
- Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
- Minecraft Earth
- Discontinued games*
- Minecraft: Story Mode
- Minecraft: Story Mode Season 2
- To this:
- Games*
- Minecraft
- Minecraft Dungeons
- Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
- Discontinued games*
- Minecraft: Story Mode
- Minecraft: Story Mode Season 2
- Minecraft Earth
- 111.88.70.70 13:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- For MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation I would suggest something like this:
* #|Games ** Minecraft *** Java Edition *** Bedrock Edition *** Education Edition ** Minecraft Dungeons ** MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade ** #|Discontinued games *** Minecraft Earth *** Minecraft: Story Mode *** Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two
- --MarkusRost (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- I don't know, the reason of why I didn't add s discontinued games section was to make simpler for users to go to the pages. We already say that they are discontinued on both main page and their own pages, so for me it's kinda redundant. Also, I would make "Games" go to a disambiguation page or something like that, such a "Minecraft (games)" or "Minecraft (franchise)" page or something like that. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 16:20, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- This one includes different editions unlike the IP above. I don't think editions should be in "Games". Also, Arcade should be a subbullet of MCD and Story Mode Season 2 should be a sub-bullet of Story Mode. Humiebeetalk contribs 17:41, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- --MarkusRost (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- My overall request:
* #|Games ** Minecraft *** Java Edition *** Bedrock Edition *** Education Edition ** Minecraft Dungeons *** MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade ** #|Discontinued games *** Minecraft Earth *** Minecraft: Story Mode **** Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two
- Humiebeetalk contribs 17:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not a big fan on the subsections for Story Mode and Dungeons. The subsections include only a single link which kinda defeats the point of of a subsection, specially as we aren't at the limit of links in the higher section. MarkusRost (talk) 17:15, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- I really don't like discontinued games either, they recieve too little traction, MCE is inaccessable and MC Story Mode is inaccessable if you did not download it before its discontinuation. I'm fine with no sub-bullets ifi there is only going to be 3 games (MC, MCD, and MCD: Arcade). I'm still not comfortable with editions as they are not games. (So I basically support my original proposal
- I'm not a big fan on the subsections for Story Mode and Dungeons. The subsections include only a single link which kinda defeats the point of of a subsection, specially as we aren't at the limit of links in the higher section. MarkusRost (talk) 17:15, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
* #|Games ** Minecraft ** Minecraft Dungeons ** MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
To continue, I've made some significant changes to the navigation (for Fandom Desktop) and not just for the games section, feel free to add or suggest more things about it:
* Minecraft Wiki ** Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes ** MCW:Community portal|Community portal ** MCW:Admin noticeboard|Admin noticeboard ** MCW:Projects|Projects ** MCW:Wiki rules|Rules and guides *** MCW:Wiki rules/Video policy|Video policy *** MCW:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines *** MCW:Style guide|Style guide *** MCW:Standardized views|Standardized views ** Help:Contents|Help *** https://help.fandom.com/wiki/|Fandom help *** Help:Official sources|Official sources *** MCW:How to help|How to help ** #|More *** MCW:Sandbox|Sandbox *** MCW:Directors|Directors page *** MCW:Discord|Wiki Discord * #|Games ** Minecraft *** Java Edition *** Bedrock Edition *** Education Edition *** Minecraft China ** Minecraft Dungeons *** Minecraft Dungeons Arcade ** Minecraft Earth ** Minecraft: Story Mode *** Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two * #|Useful pages ** Minecraft *** Item|Items *** Block|Blocks *** Mob|Mobs *** Biome|Biomes *** Crafting *** Trading *** Brewing *** Redstone circuits *** Controls *** Tutorials ** Minecraft Dungeons *** MCD:Item|Items *** MCD:Enchantment|Enchantments *** MCD:Mob|Mobs *** MCD:Location|Locations *** MCD:Daily Trial|Daily Trials *** MCD:Ancient Hunts|Ancient Hunts *** MCD:Controls|Controls *** MCD:Tutorials|Tutorials ** Minecraft Earth *** MCE:Mob|Mobs *** MCE:Tappable|Tappables *** MCE:Journal|Journal *** MCE:Buildplate|Buildplates *** MCE:Challenges|Challenges *** MCE:Seasons|Seasons ** #|Technical pages *** Add-on|Add-ons *** Data pack|Data packs *** Resource pack|Resource packs *** Server|Servers *** Bedrock Dedicated Server|Bedrock Dedicated Servers *** Development resources ** Official pages * #|Minecraft links ** https://minecraft.net/|Website ** https://help.minecraft.net/|Support ** https://feedback.minecraft.net|Feedback ** https://bugs.mojang.com/|Bug tracker ** https://discord.gg/minecraft|Discord ** https://twitter.com/Minecraft|Twitter ** #|Other media *** https://www.facebook.com/minecraft|Facebook *** https://instagram.com/minecraft|Instagram *** https://www.youtube.com/minecraft|YouTube *** https://www.twitch.tv/minecraft|Twitch
Quick look: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827172532917764161/865280880628465684/Navigation.gif – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 20:58, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- I really think that Realms and Commands should be moved to technical. I also think that a discontinued games sub-section should be added to separate old games and new, active games. Humiebeetalk contribs 21:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- I've updated the menus to show less items, since 4th layer menu doesn't really supported. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 17:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Forgot to say, Support. Also, how would these apply to the hydra sidebar? (MediaWiki:Sidebar) Humiebeetalk contribs 21:16, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- As MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation doesn't affect the current hydra sidebar, I don't think it's possible to add multi-layered section with the sidebar. So hydra would almost likely to be unchanged. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 21:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'd use something like this actually:
* Help:Contents|Wiki contents ** MCW:Wiki rules|Wiki rules *** MCW:Wiki rules/Video policy|Video policy *** MCW:Style guide|Style guide *** MCW:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines *** MCW:Standardized views|Standardized views ** Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes ** MCW:Community portal|Community portal *** MCW:Admin noticeboard|Admin noticeboard *** MCW:Patroller requests|Patroller requests *** MCW:Projects|Projects *** MCW:Sandbox|Sandbox ** MCW:How to help|How to help *** Community:Help:Contents|Community central *** https://help.fandom.com/wiki/|Gamepedia help *** Help:Schematic|Schematics *** MCW:Templates|Templates ** MCW:Directors|Directors page ** #|Media *** MCW:Discord|Wiki Discord *** https://twitter.com/MinecraftWikiEN |Wiki Twitter *** https://youtube.com/channel/UCpGnHzJ6fquO_8vSmiA32yg|Wiki Youtube * #|Games ** Minecraft *** Java Edition *** Bedrock Edition *** Education Edition *** Minecraft China ** Minecraft Dungeons *** MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade ** Minecraft Earth ** Minecraft: Story Mode *** Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two * Special:RandomRootpage|Useful pages ** Minecraft *** Item|Items *** Block|Blocks *** Mob|Mobs *** Biome|Biomes *** Gameplay **** Achievement|Achievements **** Advancement|Advancements **** Singleplayer **** Multiplayer **** Realms **** Difficulty|Difficulties **** Command|Commands **** Controls *** Mechanics **** Fishing **** Trading **** Crafting **** Smelting **** Brewing **** Enchanting **** Redstone circuits *** #|Technical **** Add-on|Add-ons **** Data pack|Data packs **** Resource pack|Resource packs **** Server|Servers **** Bedrock Dedicated Server|Bedrock Dedicated Servers **** Development resources **** Mods *** Tutorials|Tutorials ** Minecraft Dungeons|Minecraft Dungeons *** MCD:Item|Items **** MCD:Melee Weapon|Melee weapons **** MCD:Ranged Weapon|Ranged weapons **** MCD:Armor|Armor **** MCD:Artifact|Artifacts **** MCD:Consumable|Consumables **** MCD:Cosmetics|Cosmetics *** MCD:Enchantment|Enchantments *** MCD:Mob|Mobs *** MCD:Location|Locations *** MCD:Gameplay|Gameplay **** MCD:Story|Story **** MCD:Skin|Skins **** MCD:Achievement|Achievements **** MCD:Difficulty|Difficulties **** MCD:Controls|Controls *** #|Mechanics **** MCD:Souls|Souls **** MCD:Levels|Levels **** MCD:Enchanting|Enchanting **** MCD:Daily Trial|Daily Trials **** MCD:Ancient Hunts|Ancient Hunts *** MCD:Tutorials|Tutorials ** Minecraft Earth|Minecraft Earth *** MCE:Mob|Mobs *** MCE:Tappable|Tappables *** MCE:Gameplay|Gameplay **** MCE:Journal|Journal **** MCE:Make Stuff|Make Stuff **** MCE:Buildplate|Buildplates **** MCE:Challenges|Challenges **** MCE:Seasons|Seasons ** Official pages * Help:Official sources|Official links ** https://minecraft.net/|Website ** https://help.minecraft.net/|Support ** https://feedback.minecraft.net|Feedback ** https://bugs.mojang.com/|Bug tracker ** #|Discord *** https://discord.gg/minecraft|Minecraft *** https://discord.gg/minecraftdungeons|Minecraft Dungeons *** https://discord.gg/minecraftearth|Minecraft Earth ** #|Twitter *** https://twitter.com/Minecraft|Minecraft *** https://twitter.com/dungeonsgame|Minecraft Dungeons *** https://twitter.com/minecraftearth|Minecraft Earth ** #|Other media *** https://www.facebook.com/minecraft|Facebook *** https://instagram.com/minecraft|Instagram *** https://www.youtube.com/minecraft|YouTube *** https://www.twitch.tv/minecraft|Twitch
- That way we can include more useful links, also without being redundant on usage of many "something|something" (it does work). Thejoaqui777 (talk) 00:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Does 4th layer even exist? I did not saw nothing about it?
- That way we can include more useful links, also without being redundant on usage of many "something|something" (it does work). Thejoaqui777 (talk) 00:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
But if you ask about my idea, it should be simple, so the idea for layer 1 would be:
* Minecraft * Minecraft Dungeons * #|Other * Minecraft Wiki
--TreeIsLife (talk) 21:27, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- 4th layer does not exist so thejouqui777's idea can't work. Minecraft Wiki is not a game and you forgot MCD Arcade.Humiebeetalk contribs 22:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- MCD arcade goes into MCD layer. Minecraft Wiki lists wiki things. "Help:Contents" isn't even a in category of "wiki contents". --TreeIsLife (talk) 06:28, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- 4th layer does not exist so thejouqui777's idea can't work. Minecraft Wiki is not a game and you forgot MCD Arcade.Humiebeetalk contribs 22:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
* Help:Contents|Wiki contents ** MCW:Wiki rules|Wiki rules *** MCW:Wiki rules/Video policy|Video policy *** MCW:Style guide|Style guide *** MCW:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines *** MCW:Standardized views|Standardized views ** Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes ** MCW:Community portal|Community portal *** MCW:Admin noticeboard|Admin noticeboard *** MCW:Patroller requests|Patroller requests *** MCW:Projects|Projects *** MCW:Sandbox|Sandbox ** MCW:How to help|How to help *** Community:Help:Contents|Community central *** https://help.fandom.com/wiki/|Gamepedia help *** Help:Schematic|Schematics *** MCW:Templates|Templates ** MCW:Directors|Directors page ** #|Media *** MCW:Discord|Wiki Discord *** https://twitter.com/MinecraftWikiEN|Wiki Twitter *** https://youtube.com/channel/UCpGnHzJ6fquO_8vSmiA32yg|Wiki Youtube * #|Games ** Minecraft ** Minecraft Dungeons *** MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade ** Minecraft Earth ** Minecraft: Story Mode *** Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two * #|Editions ** Java Edition *** Java Edition version history|Version history ** Bedrock Edition *** Bedrock Edition version history|Version history ** Education Edition ** Minecraft China ** #|Discontinued *** Legacy Console Edition *** New Nintendo 3DS Edition *** Pi Edition *** Minecraft 4K * Special:RandomRootpage|Useful pages ** #|Minecraft *** Item|Items *** Block|Blocks *** Mob|Mobs *** Biome|Biomes *** Gameplay *** Mechanics *** Add-on|Add-ons *** Data pack|Data packs *** Resource pack|Resource packs *** Server|Servers *** Bedrock Dedicated Server|Bedrock Dedicated Servers *** Development resources *** Mods *** Tutorials|Tutorials ** #|Minecraft Dungeons *** MCD:Item|Items *** MCD:Enchantment|Enchantments *** MCD:Mob|Mobs *** MCD:Location|Locations *** MCD:Gameplay|Gameplay *** MCD:Tutorials|Tutorials ** Official pages *** Official pages/Parity issue list|Parity *** Official pages/Bedrock Edition flattening|Bedrock Edition flattening * Help:Official sources|Official links ** https://minecraft.net/|Website ** https://help.minecraft.net/|Support ** https://feedback.minecraft.net|Feedback ** https://bugs.mojang.com/|Bug tracker ** #|Discord *** https://discord.gg/minecraft|Minecraft *** https://discord.gg/minecraftdungeons|Minecraft Dungeons ** #|Twitter *** https://twitter.com/Minecraft|Minecraft *** https://twitter.com/dungeonsgame|Minecraft Dungeons ** #|Other media *** https://www.facebook.com/minecraft|Facebook *** https://instagram.com/minecraft|Instagram *** https://www.youtube.com/minecraft|YouTube *** https://www.twitch.tv/minecraft|Twitch *** https://www.reddit.com/minecraft|Reddit
- Simply thejouqui777's idea without 4th headings (+ or - a few adjustments) Humiebeetalk contribs 22:23, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'd like to mention that 4th layers did exist before, but they now don't, so yeah the proposal may need to be tweaked. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 06:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
If you noticed a new Fandom blog, next week, the skin will officially be unchangeable from preferences and 2 weeks later, ?useskin will be removed too. So, it will become inaccessible. Because of this, we must to make a final decision for the skin. After some thinking, my final suggestion is:
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I decided to merge editions with the "Minecraft" on sublayer of Games. Few changes in "Minecraft Wiki" layer, but otherwise it is same. --TreeIsLife (talk) 19:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Hydra
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
This sub-section will be used to discuss the hydra sidebar. For games, MCE should be removed (no discontinued stuff) and MCD Arcade should be added. There is also a dungeons sidebar so the twitter and discord for dungeons can be done accordingly. Instagram should be added, Minecraft Twitch should be renamed to Twitch, all mechanics (trading, brewing, enchanting, crafting, smelting) in the hydra sidebar should be clumped into Mechanics. Technical stuff should not be added. Blocks, Items, and Mobs should be moved to the top and gameplay should be added. Humiebeetalk contribs 21:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- I don't know why we should discuss this. Soon in August, all wikis should be using FandomDesktop by default, and later, Hydra skin will be removed from options to switch. --TreeIsLife (talk) 06:54, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Convert the Tutorials pages into their own namespaces
I'm reviving Minecraft Wiki talk:Community portal/Archive 26#Should we move all Tutorials pages to a own namespace?
That discussion actually is worth of reopening. Tutorials are an important part of any game wiki, as it is a secure way to keep documentated facts that aren't able to be into normal articles.
This was opposed before mainly because (if I read the old discussion correctly) other namespaces couldn't be accessed with the "Random page" link. However, that is no longer the case, as now Minecraft Dungeons and Minecraft Earth articles can be accessed with the link.
If we do this, then we should do this (see the table):
| Original name | New name | Reason |
|---|---|---|
| Tutorials and Minecraft Dungeons:Tutorials | Minecraft tutorials and Minecraft Dungeons tutorials | Since both games are active, tutorials need to be split into two namespaces. |
| Example: Tutorials/Defeating the ender dragon | Example: Minecraft tutorials:Defeating the ender dragon | To be the same as Minecraft Dungeons and Minecraft Earth. |
| Example: Talk:Tutorials/Defeating the ender dragon | Example: Minecraft tutorials talk:Defeating the ender dragon | To be talk pages of their own pages and not subpages of the general Tutorials talk page. |
The reason is that tutorials are an important part of the wiki. Though the Minecraft Wiki is meant to explain factual data about the game, it can't do that completely without the tutorial pages. Things such as redstone circuits, general farms, game quirks, functions, and information about the game's UIs all are stored within tutorials. This is factual evidence that can only really be given in a tutorial format, as the main articles oesn't alllow tutorial-like content.
Now I'll show another table showing the advantages, disadvantages and arguments for them:
| Advantage | Disadvantage | Counterargument to disadvantages |
|---|---|---|
| Tutorials as their own namespace will be able to be accessed through the Random page link. | Tutorials are often badly written, and its quality is seriously questionable. | Being acessible through that link means that users will be able to see them more often. Also, tutorials themselves can be rewritten, and it's easy to mark them with the {{rewrite}} template.
|
| Tutorials as their own namespaces can receive a standard definition of what are they exactly, which isn't totally defined. Tutorials describe guides, describe processes, can serve as suggestions or warnings for doing things in-game. | The Minecraft Wiki's scope and purpose is to document actual information from the game. Tutorials have a different tone, set of editors, audience and intentions than regular articles. | Tutorials always have been part of the wiki, or at least for so many time. The fact itself that they have a different tone, set of editors, audience and intentions also acts as an advantage, since people wants to document its creations in a secure way, making sure that they will be preserved. Many tutorials do this, containing information for both current/recent and old versions. |
| Tutorial talk pages will be specific for only one tutorial, and wouldn't be anymore a subpage of the general Tutorials page. | --- | --- |
| Their shortcut versions would be "MCT" (Minecraft tutorial) and "MDT" (Minecraft Dungeons tutorial). | Minecraft Dungeons tutorials would have an inconsistent shortcut. | Another proposal can be "MCDT". Though it would be longer and still inconsistent with the usual 3 letter ones, it is more consistent than "MDT". |
What do you think of this proposal?, as this really needed to be discussed again. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 00:03, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support I actually had forgotten for a while that they weren't a separate namespace. (Or did they used to be? I honestly can't remember.) In any case, Terraria Wiki uses a namespace for their equivalent Guides, so its feasibility is demonstrated by example. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 00:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support per my comment on #The problem with subpages.Humiebeetalk contribs 00:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Strong oppose. I don't see how any of the four advantages are substantial or valid. Most visitors would get to tutorials from the search engine (not even the on-site search or the random page button), which means optimizing for the latter two ways should not be done at the expense of the first one, and page moves of any kind are harmful to search engine optimization, while the subpage structure is very well understood by search engines. So #1 is an advantage that will be targeted at the expense of the average reader. #2 is invalid, any policy can be changed to adapt to circumstances, and we shouldn't try to adapt circumstances to policy at substantial expense of user experience. The talk page issue doesn't seem problematic at all, at most weird for the more involved of readers (most of who won't even use talk pages). The namespace shortcuts are not going to be used by readers as they won't have any idea of them (and once again, they'll most likely be coming from search engines who at best won't care about shortcuts); in addition, the proposed shortcuts can conflict with potential "talk" shortcuts. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 10:02, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: It is true. The policy can be changed so how to write tutorials should be explained better than how it is done now. The main reason of this is the point #1, which explains that subpages can't be accessed from the Random page link. If this can break the search engine, maybe we could find a solution to this. Subpages can't be shown easily, and that's another reason of why. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 13:15, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose - Namespace? No. I feel we should not make an soup opera from Namespaces. Namespaces are here to seperate functions between pages. All namespaces have purporse. With creating new, however, we should consider why it is needed to make a new namespace. For example, with Minecraft Earth and Dungesons - "Different games". Games, which are not 100%-ly Minecraft, but are from Minecraft Universe (Minecraft Earth, Dungeons, Story Mode) and have potential to have more content, yes. This doesn't. It may have more content, but it is really needed? No. --TreeIsLife (talk) 14:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support. Tutorials serve a very different purpose to definitive fact-based Minecraft Wiki articles, but are a necessary commodity for this Wiki to serve. (Is there anywhere close to as good a resource as we have here for Redstone logic gates? I don't think so.) New and old players utilize these resources, and they are key to this Wiki's helpfulness, while being very different from say, and article about a block or item. For this reason, and since most people find tutorials through the search bar anyway, and for categorization and organaiztion purposes, I dig this idea. --DigiDuncan (talk) 03:59, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- Extremely strong support These pages have been in the mainspace for far longer than they should have been and are well overdue for being kicked out. The style guide specifically forbids tutorial info from mainspace articles, so why these insisted on remaining mainspace articles for a decade plus is beyond me. - User-12316399 (talk) 04:29, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- For the shortcuts, MCT is already used (Minecraft Wiki talk). Possibly MT and MDT/DT? (consistant) and the talk would be MTT and MDTT or DTT)Humiebeetalk contribs 14:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Strong oppose, for now. Not a single one of the advantages listed is compelling. Going through them one at a time: (1) We don't need badly-written tutorials to be accessible via the Random Page link, as they are not representative of article-quality pages. (2) Lacking a dedicated name space doesn't preclude creating a standard definition for a tutorial, this can be done with or without a name space. (3) Tutorial talk pages are already specific to each tutorial. Tutorials are sub-pages, each sub-page has its own dedicated talk page, and some of those talk pages have already seen heavy use (such as Talk:Tutorials/Drowned_farming, for example). If this isn't a problem for other wikis, I don't see why it's a problem here. (4) Consistent shortcuts can already exist without a name space; we just have to agree on what they are. No name space is needed to create redirect links. Before we rearrange an existing mess, we need to clean up the existing mess, and develop clear guidelines about what should be in a tutorial, how to write them, what the video policy would be (not well defined at the moment) and how to prevent tutorials from growing into indiscriminate lists of "helpful" advice. Amatulic (talk) 03:10, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose my own discussion now for a couple of reasons:
- This discussion was opened because the tutorials aren't easily accessible for users and they are difficult to maintain. However, as mentioned, namespaces should be about a topic, and for example Minecraft tutorials being in the (main) namespace makes sense. Same with tutorials on the Minecraft Dungeons namespace.
- Our real issue is handling all those badly written tutorials, the horrible navbox that includes all of them, and their accessibility id just the least important part of their problem.
- Enabling 2 namespaces would reduce our chances to be able to receive/enable more custom namespaces on the future,and there will probably be more Minecraft games on the future.
- Oppose per AttemptToCallNil's, TreeIsLife's and Amatulic's comments.
- A solution I can give is linking them on the main page similar to what Template:DidYouKnow does.
- Those are my reasons of why it wouldn't be a good idea. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 14:35, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Flavors of "renewability"
I see a lot of infoboxes listing a resource as "renewable", and simply having a single label for everything renewable gives a false impression about practicality.
It might be useful to readers to have some distinctions between flavors of renewability. Logs are easily renewable by planting the saplings dropped from trees when harvesting them. While it's difficult to get a trident, the only way to get one is from a drowned. But is anybody really going to go through the agony of going into the Nether to defeat a wither skeleton just to get some coal? Technically coal is renewable, but practically it isn't, so it's kind of misleading to give it the same label as an oak log in terms of renewability.
Seeing "Renewable: Yes" in an infobox, therefore, is not useful information to me as a player. I'd like to see some qualifiers, like "Renewability: Easy/Moderate/Hard", indicating the effort and risk required to obtain the resource by means other than mining, in Survival mode.
Examples:
- Bee nest: Renewability is easy, requiring a small amount of low-risk effort (albeit by grinding) to plant oak or birch trees near flowers.
- Cobblestone: Renewability is easy, requiring resources to obtain a bucket for water and lava.
- Iron ingot: Renewability is moderately difficult given that one generally needs several ingots. One can build a basic iron farm in survival mode, but it's a low risk activity that takes effort and time.
- String: Renewability has variable effort and risk. Risk can be high (going to the Nether to barter, or hunting spiders) or time consuming (relying on chance from fishing, bartering, cat gifts). In my experience, string is one resource I'd like to have early in the game but in some games I have found it extremely difficult to obtain.
- Sand: I'd say moderate; it's technically renewable by trading, but considering the value of emeralds it's a poor exchange, especially if you need a lot of sand and there is no village available.
- Mob heads: Renewability is hard. This is something that is renewable more by accident than intentionally. Not practical at all.
- Clay: Hard, high risk. The only renewable way to get it is to gain Hero of the Village, and then you can get it only if the village has a mason who survived the raid.
I realize there's a lot of subjectivity here, but maybe we could come up with more objective criteria. One idea might be to plot items on a grid with axes representing effort and risk or cost. Amatulic (talk) 18:57, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Amatulic:, I have 1 problem, this is opinion based. Also, how do you even make a graph, a poll? At the very most, do something like
{{biome}}where it shows only a few options, not something all out.Humiebeetalk contribs 19:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC) - Oppose, simply too subjective to implement; it's not a game definition, so it is entirely opinion based.
- People can judge for themselves by reading the obtaining sections. Dhranios (talk) (Join the wiki videos project!) 19:21, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose making changes to the infobox field aside from possibly removing it. I agree that the current information isn't super useful (e.g. it's hardly practical to get renewable resources through the wandering trader), but classifying by cost or risk is subjective, and I can't think of many other classifications that would both be useful and clear enough to not warrant an explanation (which would be too much for an infobox field). I wouldn't be opposed to making a bigger deal on renewability in the obtaining sections, especially for items like concrete powder where it's not immediately obvious without reading the pages of its crafting ingredients. –Sonicwave talk 20:18, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support moving the renewability out of the infobox and into obtaining. Dhranios (talk) (Join the wiki videos project!) 22:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support moving the renewability out of the infobox and into obtaining. It does require more explanation than a simple yes/no. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 02:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The general issue of difficulty in renewability is something that has come up before; the biggest factor in difficulty is actually gating. In general, an up-front investment can reduce the "cost" (time, effort) of most resources by at least one order of magnitude and sometimes more.
- E.g., String is difficult to obtain in the early game, but once the player has iron armor and weapons, spiders are little threat... and once they can find and farm a spider spawner, it's trivial.
- Likewise for iron -- early in the game it's just easier to mine for it, but once the player has enough resources to manhandle villagers and build an iron farm....
- A similar pattern applies to tradeables in general -- initially subject to random chance, but once you invest the time and resources (cash-crop farms, a trading hall, cultivated trades), that gate is basically passed -- the emerald cost of something turns into "how many do you need?".
- The wandering trader represents a slightly special case, in that you need to wait for a desired offer, and can only get a limited supply.
- That said, there certainly are a few things where even farming leaves them pretty costly. Nether stars are the poster boy for those...
- Even on smaller scales: E.g, I recently built a basic music disk farm, where I still need to wait for creepers to come by, lure them into the killing yard, then dodge arrows from my named skelly for a bit. Way better than fooling around in the open night, but not quite trivial.
- Witch farms probably qualify in this category too, in that the scaling basically means that you really do need to "go big or go home".
- And when the effort for something is totally out of proportion to the value (e.g., the clay example), it might technically be renewable, but not in practical terms.
- --MentalMouse42 (talk) 02:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Addendum: Knowledge also matters a lot: E.g., iron golem farms require a lot of technical knowledge (or exact adherence to a plan), witch farms a little less, and (pigman-based) gold farms a fair bit. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 02:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support removing from infobox and adding to obtaining. Also, string is definatly easier to obtain than bee nests.Humiebeetalk contribs 18:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support moving from the infobox to the obtaining section. Some items definitely need a more thorough explanation rather than a simple yes/no.--Capopanzo (talk) 00:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
- Support (as the person who started this discussion): removing the renewability parameter from the infobox in favor of explaining the renewability in the article text. There are too many flavors of renewability for a single infobox parameter. Amatulic (talk) 00:31, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support moving the renewability out of the infobox and into obtaining. Dhranios (talk) (Join the wiki videos project!) 22:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- To add to all of this, pretty much everything renewable (with the exception of wandering trader exclusives) has a farm. String - has a farm. Bee nests? - has a farm. Villager goods? - make an emerald farm. Clay? - make a raid farm. Beacons? - Obsidian farms exist, nether star farms exist (which is quite OP) and glass can be obtained via trading (emerald farm). Dirt? - make an azalea tree farm or something. Renewablility changes as you progress through the game. Humiebeetalk contribs 13:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral about the removal of the template part, but Support adding a new "renewability" subsection. Renewability should be both in the infobox and obtaining section, because if someone wanted to check renewability for coal, they could go to the wiki page for it, see "Renewable: yes" and then go to the obtaining section to see how they can reobtain it again. Removing the infobox section could remove a useful identifier, because then if someone wanted to check if something was renewable and it wasn't, they could stop reading as soon as they see "Renewable: No" and not have to search through the obtaining section. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:36, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
- Gosh, and I thought this was pretty much settled that we would remove the non-informative parameter from the template. It's useless unless it can be made into something more than a binary indicator, and as has been pointed out, that is impractical because of the subjectivity and complexity. A section in the article is sufficient. Amatulic (talk) 04:40, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
- Our infoboxes also can show their row descriptions when a Discord bot like Wiki-bot reads them. Removing the "Renewable" section from the infobox would make difficult to users who use Discord to see if the block is renewable or not without going to the page. It's worth to consider things like that because on our Discord server we use Wiki-bot a lot. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 05:40, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
- Both removal of the template and infobox part, and adding the sub-section. The sub-section can be established to always start with the sentence "[the item] is/is not renewable", keeping finding the information easy and quick. Blue Banana whotookthisname (talk) 09:59, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Remember that our infoboxes also can show their row descriptions when a Discord bot like Wiki-bot reads them, like Wiki-bot, so removing the "Renewable" section from the infobox wouldn't be the best idea. Also, infoboxes are supposed to give just a few wiew of things, not to be actual complete information sections, which makes the simple "Renewable: Yes" make sense. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 13:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter. The parameter is not mandatory, so if it's missing, it shouldn't mess up any bot that needs to read it. "Renewable: Yes" is meaningless and non-informative, as amply discussed above. It's best to remove it completely, and add a section about it. Amatulic (talk) 05:54, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- Remember that our infoboxes also can show their row descriptions when a Discord bot like Wiki-bot reads them, like Wiki-bot, so removing the "Renewable" section from the infobox wouldn't be the best idea. Also, infoboxes are supposed to give just a few wiew of things, not to be actual complete information sections, which makes the simple "Renewable: Yes" make sense. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 13:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Gosh, and I thought this was pretty much settled that we would remove the non-informative parameter from the template. It's useless unless it can be made into something more than a binary indicator, and as has been pointed out, that is impractical because of the subjectivity and complexity. A section in the article is sufficient. Amatulic (talk) 04:40, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
Banner shield crafting recipe
Hello everyone! I was scrolling through the crafting recipes and noticed that on the banner shield recipe, that it didn’t mention that the recipe is Java only. I would add that edit on my own however I have minimal experience in editing the wiki therefore I didn’t really know what I was doing. If anyone can edit the missing information in that would be greatly appreciated!
I just thought that newer players who play bedrock or pocket edition would think that you could add banners to shields and semi frustrated why the wiki says it’s do able but it’s not crafting.
peace, minecraft.edits
Accessibility
Hi who else thinks that Minecraft wiki is not that accessible? I think it’s just really crowded and hard to navigate when I first started using the wiki, I got really lost and ended up pressing heaps of buttons and opening every page to find what I was looking for. If we can work together to help make the wiki way more accessible that would really help new comers! leave your opinion on this if you wish! – Unsigned comment added by Minecraft.edits (talk • contribs) at July 9, 2021 (12:29) (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~
- Personally it's just something people wil need to adapt to. The new layout isn't that bad or complicated, but it indeed takes a time to become used to it (we have been testing it for like a month). I can tell you what are the new things: We now have a top navigation bar, a global left navigation bar, the ability to expand/collapse pages, a new tool bar to the bottom right part of pages. THe top navigation bar has some menus which are the same as before but ported to that bar, but also has searche, recent changes and theme toggler buttons. You can find also the expand/collapse button to the left part of an article content part. And yeah we're planing to do something to help people to help, because we are a community and helping is important, because it would be difficult to explain all of it on this comment. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 13:29, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
- Is this in regards to some certain functions of the cite or certain group of users? Blue Banana whotookthisname (talk) 10:30, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Did you mean "site"? Fadyblok240 (talk) 22:50, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
New style
Why are all texts in italics now? --Betseg (talk) 20:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- I couldn't reproduce the issue (neither could the two editors from Discord), try making sure you're not using custom browser styles or settings for the wiki. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 21:25, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
FandomDesktop source edit
When I use the source editor in FandomDesktop, I can't see the last line because it is covered by the edit summary input. Is it possible to fix this? TheLegendaryOrb (talk) 14:38, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- That seems to be an issue with the Visual Editor - Source Mode. You can go to your Special:Preferences page and change the preferred editor to the Source mode/Classic one. Also, I suggest you to enable the advanced toolbar too, to get the editing tools too. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 14:53, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, changing the preferred editor works perfectly. Where can I enable advanced toolbar? TheLegendaryOrb (talk) 17:06, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- That is already part of 2010 wikitext editor (Source Editor), but also part of 2017 one (Visual Editor - Source mode) --TreeIsLife (talk) 17:35, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, usually it's enabled by default. I just mentioned that in case that you didn't have it. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 17:53, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- That is already part of 2010 wikitext editor (Source Editor), but also part of 2017 one (Visual Editor - Source mode) --TreeIsLife (talk) 17:35, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, changing the preferred editor works perfectly. Where can I enable advanced toolbar? TheLegendaryOrb (talk) 17:06, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Minecraft Story Mode NS (once again)
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
Hey guys!
Today, I want to discuss that MCSM Wiki thing.
The last proposal was opposed due we should contact admins. Unfortunately, it feels they ignore even their WR and it is really sad.
Because of that, I want to propose it for the 3rd time.
Here are my ideas
- Articles
Speaking of quality of articles - not every article in "MCW:Projects/Minecraft Story Mode Wiki" is good, so I want to have some way to choose good ones to be moved and not ok to remain there. My idea is: in coming days, I will check articles one by one and make a list here about which are Good, which are OK, which are Stubs and which are Bad. I would create a seperate section for that.
- Namespace name and shortcuts.
- NS name: Minecraft Story Mode
- NS talk name: Minecraft Story Mode talk
- Shortcut NS: MCSM; MSM
- Shortcut talk NS: MSMT
If you have any thing you want to add or discuss, you can add it here. You can also vote. --TreeIsLife (talk) 17:51, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support per above. There is no way Story Mode wiki articles are going to be created any time soon. The game is dead, not even playable on some platforms anymore. Noone talks about it. By moving some articles early, we can encourage people to create more from red links Spectrogram (talk) 18:03, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support per above. --TreeIsLife (talk) 18:22, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, the MCW twitter said that MCE namespace would be depreciated. Story Mode is also discontinued. If the namespace is created, the namespace IMO should be MCS instead of MCSM because MCSM is 4 letters. MSM is also inconsistant with MCE and MCD namespaces so I think it should be MCS (MineCraft Story mode). There should not be a shortcut talk (inconsistant with MCD and MCE). Humiebeetalk contribs 19:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
the MCW twitter said that MCE namespace would be depreciated
- I don't know about this information. It was never discussed on the wiki nor Discord. That means somebody just said something random. --TreeIsLife (talk) 21:11, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- After seeing this, on the Discord server we saw the tweet and now we don't know who made it. And as it wasn't discussed, probably we should first discuss it here. Also we should probably make sure that the Twitter account is used adequately. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 22:19, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- Judging from above, I have changed my opinion to Weak support as the game is still playable. However, exactly how are we going to get active editors, the MCE namespace (while it was OUT) recieved little to no traction. With story mode being discontinued, I fear that the new namespace will be dead with possibly little tweaks, maintenance, and interwiki. Humiebeetalk contribs 19:08, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support the proposal. You may think "red links won't look good", but that's how any wiki works. Users see tem, and if interested they can create the pages. So I support it. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 22:19, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Vehicle and other non-mob entities do not have real Health tag yet have "health points" in infoboxes
For example, in Java Edition you can use the /data command to inspect the data of an minecart, and as discussed and proved in Discord, they do not have Health tag.
Minecart has the following entity data: {Motion: [0.0d, 0.0d, 0.0d], FallDistance: 0.0f, Pos: [17.5d, 66.0625d, 67.5d], Fire: -1s, Invulnerable: 0b, Air: 300s, OnGround: 0b, PortalCooldown: 0, UUID: [I; -1744381871, 1004358404, -1486263821, -1488801631], Rotation: [0.0f, 0.0f]}
However, when you punch minecart with hands in survival mode, it takes a few more times to break it than using a sword. By reading the deobs-ed source code we find that the game handle the damage to the minecart in another way, which is like health, but with a bit differences, like they instantly get destroyed by Creative players; they do store for how many ticks they got damage; thus they do have a "max damage that they can receive until broken", but the damage is not recorded in the save data (thus only in RAM) and will be reset when re-entering the world (restart the multiplayer server or re-enter a singleplayer world), and they don't have a real health point.
In Bedrock Edition, a user (MCPE4theBeacon) showed the JSON file that defines minecart (idk the exact term), and they don't have health defined either.
The fact should be recorded in some way, for you can't detect or change the health by command, and IMO we shouldn't directly just put the "max damage that they can receive until broken" as "health points". Should we make a ref note in the infobox or change the infobox label for it? -- Lakejason0 (Talk • Contribs) 12:33, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- There are two kinds of health exists in the game:
- entity data
Health - health in RAM, affect the shaking effect when minecraft/boat/armor stand got hit
- entity data
- And the problem is, armor stand has both kind of health, and we can't just say "Amor stand has health and health".--siiftun1857[T/C/E] 12:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Actually, armor stands are living entities internally, so they have the normal health that all other mobs have. M S 72 (talk) 13:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Armor stand does NOT has the second kind of "health" though it has shaking effect when clicked. AFAIK, armor stand is destoryed when double-clicked.
- We do not need to change the infobox label because it is not an universe value for all entities or even for a category of entities. Just make a ref note or mention it in a new section in pages of minecart and boat --Chixvv (talk) 11:04, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Quite pleased with myself
I must say I am rather proud of figuring out a puzzle over this weekend: how to cause a boat to move uphill using only flowing water power, with no rowing, redstone, bubble columns, or anything fancy, just building blocks, a bucket, and some buttons or signs. In this way one can make automatic "conveyor belt" boat channels with boats that move endlessly around a closed path, over arbitrary terrain up to a steepness of 1 to 2 (1 block elevation increase for 2 blocks horizontal movement).
So I wrote it all up in Tutorials/Water-powered boat transportation.
I've tested it thoroughly and found it 100% reliable... in Bedrock Edition. I'm curious whether the method I describe also works in Java Edition. The history in the boat article says that boats sink when underwater since 1.9. Is that still true? I play Bedrock Edition, so I am unfamiliar with Java Edition. The boat article isn't too clear on the differences. Amatulic (talk) 04:42, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Where the $%@*! is my watchlist and talk page tabs?
Now that we've been forced into a new theme, I have no idea where to find:
- Talk page tabs. How the hell do we communicate anymore if talk pages are not obvious and easily found? I had to insert "talk" into the address bar of my browser to get here.
- My watchlist. This is my tool for monitoring articles, and the my starting point for any session on this wiki. The normal Wiki software has this link at the top of every page. The Minecraft Wiki had it in a little pulldown under my user icon. Now... nothing.
These are mandatory tools for proper maintenance and functioning of any wiki. This new theme has serious problems. Amatulic (talk) 13:02, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Talk page tabs: When reading the content page, in the three-dot menu on the top of the page, which is right of the top "Edit" button. Followed by the number of revisions in parentheses the talk page has.
- Watchlist: in the "quick bar" in the bottom right corner of the screen, in the dropdown menu labeled "My Tools". --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 13:04, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hiding the talk page tab like that doesn't facilitate communication and collaboration. But good to know where it is now.
- The watchlist does not appear in "My Tools". I get History, What Links Here, and a grayed out Theme Designer. Nothing else.
- This new theme seems to have been designed more for branding than usefulness. Amatulic (talk) 13:18, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hm, I probably customized my "quick bar" to add the Watchlist button there. Try using the "Customize" menu. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 13:19, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- This new theme seems to have been designed more for branding than usefulness. Amatulic (talk) 13:18, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
For the love of god can we just drop Wikia and its insane bizarro version of MediaWiki, like the Doom wiki, RuneScape 2 wiki, and many others have done before us? This is getting increasingly ridiculous. This layout is unusable (how the hell do I view a media file's real file page now?? why does clicking it bring me to a fullscreen viewer with no info or link to the real page? where do i view page history and revisions on this??) If the minecraftwiki.net redirect domain is still hosted by someone here it could be on there.. Maybe we could get it on the minecraft.net domain? We were supposedly official at one point... Now this layout makes this site look as childish and unreliable as all the other 5 million fanmade junk ad-filled wikis with awful color schemes on this site.. SuperCofee (talk) 13:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- e may add Talk page link next to the language link or next to edit button. --TreeIsLife (talk) 13:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- "how the hell do I view a media file's real file page now?? why does clicking it bring me to a fullscreen viewer with no info or link to the real page? where do i view page history and revisions on this??"
- When you click on the image, you can then either click on "More Info" in the top-right or the file's name in the top-left, just as you might have clicked "More details" in the lower-right in the past.
- "When reading the content page, in the three-dot menu on the top of the page, which is right of the top "Edit" button."
- For me, this takes about 0.3 seconds to do (e.g., the time in-between any two consecutive beats at 200 beats per minute). After visiting one thousand talk pages (which is going to take a long time to do, if I ever do it), this will have wasted about 5 1⁄2 minutes of my life. SLScool 17:00, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Is there .css for hydra? This layout is awful and I am forced to use .css now. Humiebeetalk contribs 02:18, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Operational issues
With this new theme, I found a couple of operational issues (bugs) that need fixing:
- When editing a section, the edit summary no longer pre-populates with
/* Section name */. - When saving edits to a section, the page does not auto-locate to the section you just edited.
- The "search" feature does not navigate directly to the page title being searched; instead it gives you a list of results, as if it's always defaulting to "advanced" search.
These features were standard wiki behavior. Now they are broken. Amatulic (talk) 13:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Amatulic:, the first 2 issues don't apply to me and the 3rd issue can be avoided if you just click on the search suggestion as you are searching the title. Humiebeetalk contribs 14:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- How do the first two not apply to you? When you edit and save a section, does the saved page auto-scroll to the section you were editing? I know the third has a workaround. That isn't the point. The point is that standard behavior (which was working before) is now broken.
- I have noticed for #1, if I don't add an edit summary before hitting save, I get prompted for one and then it includes the section name. OK, that is working but it's pretty kludgey; why not have the default pre-populated in the edit summary field while I'm actually editing? Amatulic (talk) 14:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- About 1), it does still work, but you need to set you preferred editor as "Source editor" at the editing tab on the Special:Preferences page. About 2), it's just a little issue. About 3), yeah it's debatable. You need to click the title with black words, not press the Enter key or the "Search" button, which isn't really intuitive. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 16:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- No, doesn't work. My default editor has always been the source editor. I have never in my life used the WYSIWYG editor. Like right now, as I'm typing this, the summary field just has a prompt "Describe what you changed" but should include the section name. There IS a default edit summary when I undo an edit, but not when I edit a section. Amatulic (talk) 16:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Believe me or not, you somehow are using the 2017 editor. I say that because I checked the edit history of this page and your summary edit tag says "2017 editor", which is an indicator of why you don't see the summary. Try to change it to the "VE - source mode" and then change it back to "Source mode". Thejoaqui777 (talk) 16:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- No, doesn't work. My default editor has always been the source editor. I have never in my life used the WYSIWYG editor. Like right now, as I'm typing this, the summary field just has a prompt "Describe what you changed" but should include the section name. There IS a default edit summary when I undo an edit, but not when I edit a section. Amatulic (talk) 16:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- About 1), it does still work, but you need to set you preferred editor as "Source editor" at the editing tab on the Special:Preferences page. About 2), it's just a little issue. About 3), yeah it's debatable. You need to click the title with black words, not press the Enter key or the "Search" button, which isn't really intuitive. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 16:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Old Hydra Css
I don't like the new FandomDesktop css. Does anybody have the old one saved so I can use it?
- No, however, the annoying sidebar and some fixes can be fixed by adding {{:User:Humiebee/fandomdesktop.css}} to User:Pi31-dot/fandomdesktop.css. Humiebeetalk contribs 02:16, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Template transclusion like that doesn't work on css pages. Users would need to add
@import '/index.php?title=User:Humiebee/fandomdesktop.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css';instead – JEC talk @ 15:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)- The best solution would actually be just copying the css. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 16:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @JEC6789:, oops, I meant {{subst::User:Humiebee/fandomdesktop.css}}. Humiebeetalk contribs 20:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Template transclusion like that doesn't work on css pages. Users would need to add
Humiebee (I know pings don't work but it's just good form) - The original Hydra css files are available on old versions of this site on archive.org. They are pretty extensive. Here are all of the style sheets loaded in a page header:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20210701055927cs_/https://minecraft.fandom.com/load.php?lang=en&modules=ext.fandom.ArticleInterlang.css%7Cext.fandom.CreatePage.css%7Cext.fandom.DesignSystem.css%7Cext.fandom.UserPreferencesV2.css%7Cext.fandom.bannerNotifications.css%7Cext.notitle.css%7Cext.social.styles%7Cext.staffSig.css%7Cext.visualEditor.desktopArticleTarget.noscript%7Cmediawiki.legacy.commonPrint%2Cshared%7Cmediawiki.skinning.interface%7Cskin.fandomdesktop.GlobalNavigation.css%7Cskin.hydra.css%7Cskins.hydra.advertisements.styles%7Cskins.hydra.footer%2Cnetbar%2CoasisOverrides%2Ctheme%7Cskins.hydra.googlefont.styles%7Cskins.vector.styles%7Cskins.vector.styles.responsive%7Cskins.z.hydra.light.styles&only=styles&skin=hydra
- https://web.archive.org/web/20210701055930js_/https://minecraft.fandom.com/load.php?lang=en&modules=startup&only=scripts&skin=hydra
- https://web.archive.org/web/20210701062346cs_/https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fandom-ae-assets/platforms/v82.26.1/ucp-hydra/styles.css
- https://web.archive.org/web/20210701055932cs_/https://minecraft.fandom.com/load.php?lang=en&modules=ext.gadget.dungeonsWiki%2CearthWiki%2Csite-styles%2Csound-styles&only=styles&skin=hydra
- https://web.archive.org/web/20210701055934cs_/https://minecraft.fandom.com/load.php?lang=en&modules=site.styles&only=styles&skin=hydra
All of these appear as stylesheets loaded in the <head> element of the old-style page, in the order shown. Only one of them is actually called "styles.css". The others are style sheets too, though. I'd start with the ucp-hydra/styles.css and if that doesn't work, add in others. Also I'd retain the css you already have to hide sidebars and such (I have one in my css to hide the fancruft footer at the bottom of each page). Amatulic (talk) 17:09, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- OK, so I imported every one of those style sheets into my fandomdesktop.css. I can't see that it made any difference. Everything looks pretty much the same except for a frame around page content. That suggests to me that this new theme uses completely different style definitions, and the wiki software dynamically generates content with completely different id and class tags. So unless an option gets added to select between different themes in the user preferences, I'd say we are stuck with this horrid new theme. Amatulic (talk) 19:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
It's probably going to take a while to get used to. I wish Gamepedia never teamed up with fandom. Pi31-dot (talk) 20:09, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Gamepedia didn't have a choice, it was bought by Curse and then Curse was bought by fandom, it could do nothing about it because it was already bought from curse. Humiebeetalk contribs 20:15, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Can we just ditch fandom
They have just gotten progressively more antagonistic towards their own content over the years. This new theme that cannot be disabled makes browsing the Minecraft wiki a painful experience, or anything else on Fandom for that matter. Tbodt (talk) 06:32, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- You can copy User:DEJVOSS/common.css to your CSS. TheGreatSpring (talk | contribs) (Tagalog translation) 04:12, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- In my opinion, User:DEJVOSS/common.css just makes things worse, making this wiki useful only for browsing and not actually working on it. It eliminates all the tools (particularly page monitoring tools like watchlist and recent changes), and it eliminates my ability to check my notifications and go to my own user page. To restore usefulness:
- Comment out the "#WikiaBarWrapper" rule to restores the "My Tools" bar.
- Comment out the .global_navigation rule to restore your account profile and notification buttons.
- I tried changing .global_navigation to .global_navigation__top to hide just the top part, but then the account and notification buttons lose their position with respect to the dropdown menu, and that got a bit too complicated to fix properly.
- See User:Amatulic/common.css for the changes. Feel free to copy. Amatulic (talk) 14:02, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- I just removed the annoying left sidebar, thats it. Humiebeetalk contribs 15:04, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- If you do that, you also lose your ability to access your own profile and talk page, and you lose the ability to see notifications (such as when you are reverted or thanked). Some things (like contributions and preferences) can be added to My Tools (which is also removed by the User:JEJVOSS/common.css unless you comment out the #WikaBarWrapper rule) but Profile and My Talk cannot. Amatulic (talk) 17:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- I just removed the annoying left sidebar, thats it. Humiebeetalk contribs 15:04, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- In my opinion, User:DEJVOSS/common.css just makes things worse, making this wiki useful only for browsing and not actually working on it. It eliminates all the tools (particularly page monitoring tools like watchlist and recent changes), and it eliminates my ability to check my notifications and go to my own user page. To restore usefulness:
Where do we report CSS errors?
Since the change to this new theme, I have observed some minor but highly annoying errors in the design of the CSS rules for vertical spacing of text elements.
- Indenting paragraphs (starting a paragraph with a colon) gets translated correctly into to the <dd> "definition description" tag with no top or bottom margin. This causes multi-paragraph text with the same indentation level appear as a wall o' text. Standard wiki CSS uses
margin-bottom:1.4px, and the surrounding <dl> (definition list) tag should havemargin-top:2.8px;andmargin-bottom:7px;. - Non-TOC subheadings (starting a heading with a semicolon to create a heading without it appearing in the Table of Contents) has no vertical spacing at all, causing any such heading to appear squished up against the previous paragraph, with a big space before the next paragraph. This is translated correctly to a <dt> (definition term) tag. Standard wiki CSS uses
margin-bottom:1.4px;for this. - Paragraph breaks have a rather large unsightly space (24px) above each paragraph element. This causes too-large spaces after headings (see bullet point above), and unnecessarily large gaps between paragraphs. Standard wiki CSS uses
margin-top:7px;andmargin-bottom:7px;for paragraph elements. This would solve the spacing problems.
Is there any way to get the CSS rules improved with this new theme? Amatulic (talk) 18:14, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Let me add: On Wikipedia these margin settings are global rules for the dt, dl, and dd tags; they apply in all contexts. Amatulic (talk) 18:56, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Lost Minecraft Worlds
My son installed the Flans Mod earlier today and now all of his previous worlds have disappeared. I know absolutely zero about Minecraft so I am hoping that someone here may be able to tell us if there is a way to restore those worlds. It appears that he has not been saving the worlds as he has been playing, I haven't been able to locate any saved files on the pc. Thanks for your help!
73.226.124.5 17:09, 26 August 2021 (UTC)Frantic Dad
New Name, Old User
Hello! I'm not actually new to this Wiki. Previously I edited under the usernames BlazeWolfYT and BlazeWolfYT2. Unfortunately I was permanently banned from all of Fandom for reasons I will not discuss. The only one I will mention was sockpuppetry. Don't worry, I'm not sockpuppeting again. I was given permission from Fandom (after contacting support) to come back to the community of Fandom. Non-important information but just something I wanted to say. ShadzTheWolf (talk) 18:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Minecraft Story Mode: articles about locations - allow or merge?
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
- Agreed There was no serious oppose to this except for point b). --TreeIsLife (talk) 13:11, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Proposal: As long as a building, location, biome, etc. matches at least two of the following criteria:
a) A location has enough information to write about;
b) A location has recieved an official name in-game;
c) Protagonists spent long enough time at the location;
d) A location has historical significance to the in-game lore, even trivial.
THEN it should have its own page.
That rule would apply to buildings, dimensions, worlds, and biomes. This rule would disallow articles such as "that one small weird train station they breefly ran through" to be created, while leaving room for in depth coverage of specific locations.
This would make an article such as Minecraft Story Mode:Hall or Minecraft Story Mode:Basement perfectly OK to create.
If these criteria are met, then it should recieve its own page. I see no reason to do the same thing as SM wiki does where they only write about huge locations. Feel free to leave your suggestions below. Spectrogram (talk) 12:13, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
People that voted on the Discord server: TreeIsLife - Support.
- Support for now, looks relatively OK. Though I'm ready to hear out people if they have issues with this proposal. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 12:23, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support. BDJP (t|c) 15:41, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. I object to consideration of "trivial in-game lore" as a valid qualification for inclusion. I would change to Support if that were omitted. Amatulic (talk) 19:29, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support. I generally support the idea of allowing locations being their own articles. For only mentioned and unseen locations I would say that they should go to an "Minecraft Story Mode:Locations#Unseen locations" article section. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:02, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- I think criterion b should be necessary for article/redirect status, since if there is no one given name for something, it may be referred to by one of many descriptions, none of which would be acceptable for the official name of the place. Also, the other criteria are subjective. Fadyblok240 (talk) 21:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Most locations have a given name, but sometimes using conjectural names is required. We should not prevent an article from being created just because there is no official name. Spectrogram (talk) 08:01, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Where did the talk page button go for user subpages?!
It is really annoying as now to go to my user talk subpages I either have to go to my talk page, then press the talk page I want to go to (as I have a section with a subpage list), or add _talk to the url after user. GK1H (P/T/C/Fix Bedrock Project) 15:11, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
- That's weird. And it seems it only affects Gamepedia-original wikis. I reported this issue. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 17:07, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
How are people getting perfect mob models?
Is there some sort of model viewer that can view every mob? How are people getting images of blocks and mobs at perfect angles? -- XZippy (talk) 23:58, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
- You're referring to isometric renders. You need software or a mod to make those; for example see https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/isometric-renders or Google for "minecraft isometric render". On this wiki, the renders appear to be made with Blender, and you can find a huge amount of detail, requirements, and instructions about that at Minecraft Wiki:Standardized views. Amatulic (talk) 18:35, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- The renders are made with Blender, with models extracted from Bedrock Edition Vanilla Resource Pack. - Magiczocker (talk) 18:42, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- I got the mod working, thank you guys for telling me about it. The mod doesn't seem to render mobs with weapons. Am I missing something? Does the mod actually do that or is there some other program for that? -- XZippy (talk) 05:48, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- If you don't want to use the graphic programs (which may be more complicated but always up to date and I understand that) try using Mineshot mod, latest release seem to be compatible with 1.16.5. What mod is doing is basically letting you project camera into orthographic view. Oakar567 (talk) 12:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- I used that isometric mod to make the image on the mobs page. Is it good? Do you like it? -- XZippy (talk) 01:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- It looks good for the lead image, but for individual illustrations the camera angle and other stuff (like no dropshadow) needs to comply with the MCW:Standardized views guideline. Amatulic (talk) 17:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- I used that isometric mod to make the image on the mobs page. Is it good? Do you like it? -- XZippy (talk) 01:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- If you don't want to use the graphic programs (which may be more complicated but always up to date and I understand that) try using Mineshot mod, latest release seem to be compatible with 1.16.5. What mod is doing is basically letting you project camera into orthographic view. Oakar567 (talk) 12:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- I got the mod working, thank you guys for telling me about it. The mod doesn't seem to render mobs with weapons. Am I missing something? Does the mod actually do that or is there some other program for that? -- XZippy (talk) 05:48, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- The renders are made with Blender, with models extracted from Bedrock Edition Vanilla Resource Pack. - Magiczocker (talk) 18:42, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Explaining things
How do I explain Minecraft facts to pre-beginners like me if I'm not allowed to use non-specialist language? User: The Slimy Stump. – Unsigned comment added by The Slimy Stump (talk • contribs) at 03:43, 5 October 2021 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~
Logo?
Idk but sounds like we need to change the logo... maybe a cube wikipedia? Gugalcrom123 (talk) 12:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Which logo exactly? -- XZippy (talk) 18:04, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- See the Community Portal page (not this talk page) for an explanation. This wiki has been disallowed to display Microsoft-owned trademarks or logos. Amatulic (talk) 19:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, the wiki is no longer official. Microsoft terminated the agreement that allowed use of Minecraft trademarks on this wiki. This is no longer an official source. About that though, how will it affect the wiki's style guide? I doubt there would still be the same dedication to making this a complete, comprehensive source when there is no credibility status to live up to. As far as I can tell there is nothing to stop this wiki from becoming another one of the millions of fan-made nonsense that this site is full of. I'm really worried it won't be as reliable as before, even if only from a user perspective. Loss of an official status is no small thing and would definitely affect credibility.Theoratically, what can prevent this from becoming another trash can is if the strict style guide is never dropped or changed, as in for instance pages about features not in development versions are not allowed, so on and so forth. But even then would it be viewed and referred to by the community the same way as before? Anyone with information or even just an opinion about that matter as a whole? I'd really like to be wrong about where I think this wiki is going, but I also kind of like the drama ngl. Zegatrox (talk) 06:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- I do not believe this change is going to affect article quality or wiki policy. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 08:24, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, the wiki is no longer official. Microsoft terminated the agreement that allowed use of Minecraft trademarks on this wiki. This is no longer an official source. About that though, how will it affect the wiki's style guide? I doubt there would still be the same dedication to making this a complete, comprehensive source when there is no credibility status to live up to. As far as I can tell there is nothing to stop this wiki from becoming another one of the millions of fan-made nonsense that this site is full of. I'm really worried it won't be as reliable as before, even if only from a user perspective. Loss of an official status is no small thing and would definitely affect credibility.Theoratically, what can prevent this from becoming another trash can is if the strict style guide is never dropped or changed, as in for instance pages about features not in development versions are not allowed, so on and so forth. But even then would it be viewed and referred to by the community the same way as before? Anyone with information or even just an opinion about that matter as a whole? I'd really like to be wrong about where I think this wiki is going, but I also kind of like the drama ngl. Zegatrox (talk) 06:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- See the Community Portal page (not this talk page) for an explanation. This wiki has been disallowed to display Microsoft-owned trademarks or logos. Amatulic (talk) 19:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- As a member of this community, I can say that we won't be different from what we've been all these years. A community like us isn't only defined by their rules, but also their members. All those users who make either small or big editions are appreciated. The logo may be different, yeah, but this doesn't mean we'll be different. Some things will change, but our core will remain the same. We've even been considered "unnoficial" from many years ago actually, and we all knew that someday something like this would happen. What we need to do is to not lose our dedication and inspiration, we need to continue doing what we've been doing for all these years, which is to document all the info about the franchise we love. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 19:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! Your comment made my day! Ever since I discovered this place and the Nether Update was anounced I was so anticipating to see how the articles grow and keep documenting all of the cool new features so people who like me at the time were new to the community and didn't follow Minecraft on YouTube or Twitter could see all of these things. I had that same feeling once Caves & Cliffs was announced, and after what happened I worried this aspect of the wiki being so up to date and a comprehensive source to check out update news would be no more. But thinking about it again you are right. Ambition and dedication is what gave this wiki a place in the Minecraft community, not some status given or taken away by the all-great, all-powerful authorities (looking at you Microsoft). What they call it doesn't change its reality, and the reality is that this wiki has been documenting all information about Minecraft that is in reach since its release. Zegatrox (talk) 01:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
- I didn't give a **** about the "official" designation when I got here, and I still don't. This is a wiki, people. A wiki consists of user-generated content, which cannot by any stretch be considered "official". It would be official if the content were curated by Microsoft or Mojang. But as a wiki, no way. It's an information resource, made reliable through the dedication of its contributors. Amatulic (talk) 03:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! Your comment made my day! Ever since I discovered this place and the Nether Update was anounced I was so anticipating to see how the articles grow and keep documenting all of the cool new features so people who like me at the time were new to the community and didn't follow Minecraft on YouTube or Twitter could see all of these things. I had that same feeling once Caves & Cliffs was announced, and after what happened I worried this aspect of the wiki being so up to date and a comprehensive source to check out update news would be no more. But thinking about it again you are right. Ambition and dedication is what gave this wiki a place in the Minecraft community, not some status given or taken away by the all-great, all-powerful authorities (looking at you Microsoft). What they call it doesn't change its reality, and the reality is that this wiki has been documenting all information about Minecraft that is in reach since its release. Zegatrox (talk) 01:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
- Regarding the logo specifically, I have just updated to a new logo to fulfill the Microsoft requirements in a timely manner; though it's not necessarily final and I think some people wanted to discuss it further. –Sonicwave talk 18:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
I like the new logo, but can we do it without text or with a plain font like Roboto? It looks like one of those cheap recreations from the internet. – Unsigned comment added by Gugalcrom123 (talk • contribs). Sign comments with ~~~~