Consistency in "Pre-Release" Capitalization
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While editing the server.properties page, I noticed that there is considerable inconsistency in how "Pre-Release" is capitalized across the wiki. Some pages choose to uppercase the "R" in "Release", some do not. Some choose to redirect the opposite case, some do not.
For example, 1.14.4 Pre-Release 1 is an uppercase "R" and trying to navigate to "1.14.4 Pre-release 1" fails. On the other hand, 1.16.4 Pre-release 1 is a lowercase "r", and trying to navigate to "1.16.4 Pre-Release 1" similarly fails. Some pages (e.g. 1.15 Pre-release 5) have a redirect but many do not. The net effect of this is that editors have no idea which capitalization is "correct", or even which one will work correctly. It leads to overall inconsistency and unnecessary redirects across the Wiki.
My suggestion is for the Wiki to come to a consensus on which capitalization should be used. Personally, I feel that "Pre-Release" with an uppercase "R" should be preferred, as that is what Mojang uses in its official communications. Once consensus is reached, incorrect pages should be moved to the correct title, and any errant capitalization in article bodies fixed.
AMNOTBANANAAMA (talk) 23:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- The name of pre-releases follow the name in-game, so Weak oppose The Great Spring (talk | contribs) (Tagalog translation) 23:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- If the decision is to prefer "pre-release" as the page names I am fine with that, as long as it is consistent. The current inconsistency is my primary concern, ultimately which one is chosen is less important to me. AMNOTBANANAAMA (talk) 00:01, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- For example, if you want to put this at the start it would be
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- We follow the in-game names, so they are not to be moved. However, feel free to make redirects for the opposite capitalization. Dhranios (talk) (Join the wiki videos project!) 09:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
More Facts In Did You Know...
On the main page, the Did You Know... section always has the same 5 facts. I think it would be neat if there was a large pool of random facts and every time the page loads, it picks a random 5 from that list. Any thoughts would be appreciated! || Remember this thing? File:Nether Reactor Core Revision 1.png Because I do. --Ninji2701 03:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- The did you know relies on a certain template, Template:DidYouKnow. It does not always have the same facts, it refreshes every day. There are not 5 facts, here are all the facts. If you want to add more facts, you can add them in the editcopy. Keep in mind you can edit the editcopy and add what you think is good, but it will not show up on the front page until an admin decides they belong there. Blockofnetherite Talk Contributions 04:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, cool! I guess this topic is totally irrelevant then. || Remember this thing? File:Nether Reactor Core Revision 1.png Because I do. --Ninji2701 13:50, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Repurpose
I personally think that the template should show more than 5 facts. It could show 7 facts instead of 5. The reason is that the Minecraft Wiki/editcopy page shows too few facts on the template, so if we increase a little bit the amount of facts this can be solved. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 23:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Splitting PS4 history
Recenty, RondiMarco splits the PS4 part from the LCE section without discussion. Can we split the PS4 part or not? Any thoughts? The Great Spring (talk | contribs) (Tagalog translation) 12:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral, while it is done the same with PE and bedrock, PS4 is a legacy console edition, as it was also replaced by bedrock. I don't see harm in doing it this way, nor harm in reverting it. Dhranios (talk) (Join the wiki videos project!) 12:13, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose PS4 is part of LCE, no reason to split its history. Nixinova T C 19:29, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I get your point, but the PS4 edition outlasted all the other Legacy Console editions, and was the only legacy console version to have the Texture Update. James Haydon (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support becuase of consistancy with pe and be but it is part of lce and is diffferent than pe and be as they are separated until the Better Together Update but ps4 IS part of lce. Idk, I would keep it though.Humiebeetalk contribs 21:45, 30 December 2020 (UTC) 22:21, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
5000 content pages milestone
I just wanted to say that I noticed, as of now, Special:Statistics lists exactly 5,000 content pages on this wiki. Amatulic (talk) 03:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- I noticed that a few days back, so you aren't the first to see this. James Haydon (talk) 04:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- BDJP007301 created the 5000th article yesterday. Also, does this also includes deleted pages? TheGreatSpring (talk) 04:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- It does not, hence why it has become this milestone several times already. Dhranios (talk) (Join the wiki videos project!) 05:53, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- Well there are subpages of articles which are not articles (many of them are templates only meant to be transcluded on one page) which are counted as articles, which means there are probably less than 5,000 "proper" articles. (Note that redirects, project pages, template pages, category pages, file pages, user pages, etc. are not counted as articles. )Fadyblok240 (talk) 17:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Should Caves & Cliffs features in Bedrock Edition be considered from 1.17.0 or from 1.16.210 in history sections
There's a bit of a inconsistency with Caves & Cliffs features in added in the betas of 1.16.X in the form of Experimental Gameplay, for example, this is the history section for pointed dripstone:
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However, this is the history section for goats:
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Notice how the former shows the features as a part of 1.17.0, while the latter shows it as part of 1.16.200 and 1.16.210. I prefer the former option as the Caves & Cliffs features added in the betas of 1.16.X don't end up in the full release, but instead will be a part of 1.17.0.
– Unavailablehoax (talk) 23:36, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- I Support to use the first, because the features won't be part of 1.16.x releases, and it's more specific. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 23:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- They are part of the 1.16.210 betas, and it should be declared that way. Saying the beta is for 1.17 is false information. Dhranios (talk) (Join the wiki videos project!) 00:16, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Should say 1.16.210, with "added under experimental gameplay", then 1.17 with "fully implemented". Nixinova T C 00:26, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Articles about Mojang employees: A proposal
Reviving both this discussion from 2015 and this discussion from 2019-2020, I feel like it should finally be time to take action regarding articles about Mojang employees, whether they are notable or not. I'm using the Wikipedia policy on biographies of living persons as a blueprint for this, so bear with me here.
- We should try to include as much information on employees that is publicly available through reliable sources, whether it be through LinkedIn profiles, interviews with publications such as news sites, or simply through the Twitter accounts of the employees themselves. As long as the information is available publicly, it should be documented on the wiki, sourced back to the article or tweet in question.
- However, there has to be a limit as to what information should indeed be allowed on here. Of course, its general understanding that emails, addresses, and phone numbers are never to be added to articles out of respect for privacy. In regards to concessions that have been made in the past, such as the situation with Ez, or retracting information that had been OK up until recently, such concessions should be reviewed as to whether they should remain as is, or be considered null and void pending as to when this policy does become active.
Understanding that this is a style guide policy, I figured it would be best to instead post it here, considering that this policy would cover several hundreds of employees of one company.
The proposed change to the policy is as follows, which would be separated from the "Notability" section and split into its own section (new additions in bold):
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This is just a stepping stone. I am open to any additional input regarding any further changes to this. BDJP (t|c) 19:19, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- I still think this should be taken further, and say that articles should only exist for notable employees where the majority of the content is about their work. We shouldn't encourage going into details about personal lives and such, which having all these stub articles does. Nixinova T C 19:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- In my opinion, we should keep any pages that have a lot of content (pages without stubs) but pages with stubs should be put into like a draft. Anyone is free to make a page but it needs more content. As for not having like personal details, I also support that but a notable exception would be Helen Zbihlyj as she directly put a little bit of her personal life on her user page as it is a primary and the most reliable source possible. I would like the employee pages to also have more about their work as well and all those stub articles can be clumped into an Employees article.
- All in all, I Support keeping all pages which have enough content and Removing or converting any pages with a stub and have no content (for instance, Peter Hont which is just one of the many pages that has no info, only saying that they work in Minecraft Dungeons.) For birth dates, I really don't see any harm if they posted it on twitter or some other social media thing. Also I wish to Remove all pages with no sources as well.Humiebee (talk) 21:35, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- I’ve created an example of how an expanded article would look here. BDJP (t|c) 01:02, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Support the new proposal, but it would make absolutely no sense for the new guideline to be part of the style guide but not part of the notability guideline. What about splitting the notability guidelines from the style guide? Fadyblok240 (talk) 23:12, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Are pufferfish passive, neutral or hostile
Personally, I think that pufferfish are passive because they can't chase you but some users change "Passive" to "Neutral" or "Hostile". Are pufferfish passive, neutral or hostile? TheGreatSpring (talk) 08:08, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- Per Talk:Pufferfish#Pufferfish behavior, we stated that they are passive, so I think that they should stay as Passive. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 22:55, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Splitting PS4 history
Recenty, RondiMarco splits the PS4 part from the LCE section without discussion. Can we split the PS4 part or not? Any thoughts? The Great Spring (talk | contribs) (Tagalog translation) 12:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral, while it is done the same with PE and bedrock, PS4 is a legacy console edition, as it was also replaced by bedrock. I don't see harm in doing it this way, nor harm in reverting it. Dhranios (talk) (Join the wiki videos project!) 12:13, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose PS4 is part of LCE, no reason to split its history. Nixinova T C 19:29, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I get your point, but the PS4 edition outlasted all the other Legacy Console editions, and was the only legacy console version to have the Texture Update. James Haydon (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support becuase of consistancy with pe and be but it is part of lce and is diffferent than pe and be as they are separated until the Better Together Update but ps4 IS part of lce. Idk, I would keep it though.Humiebeetalk contribs 21:45, 30 December 2020 (UTC) 22:21, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Something discussing renewability of the Lava Bucket and other items that are not renewable in snapshots but are going to be in the full release
Yes, I know that the ip constantly got reverted for changing it, they did have a good point but the wiki uses current status, not upcoming status. The ip got reverted with understandable edit summaries and I personally would revert the ip. They were doing it in good-faith though. Something odd about that is that the template is the {{upcoming}} template, implying that the thing that is upcoming IS upcoming in <version>. In the case of 1.17, the full release. Now the wiki trys to be as informative as possible and trys to give the reader a clear understanding. In my opinion, I am Semi-weak support. It would be confusing for the reader if they watched like say for example, xisumavoid and went to the minecraft wiki. They would notice that the renewability of lava buckets would be incorrect, misleading the reader. Note that I mean No[until JE 1.17]/Yes[upcoming: JE 1.17] Any thoughts?Humiebeetalk contribs 22:35, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- The same can be said the other way around. If we end up saying yes in 1.17, while it's not in the snapshots yet, people who open the snapshots will be presented with misinformation.
- It's better to stick with the current latest release and snapshot info, not the whole planned update. (Plans can change, after all...) Dhranios (talk) (Join the wiki videos project!) 23:33, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- True... but it would be more helpful in general becuase more Java Edition players use Java Edition 1.16.4 than .Humiebeetalk contribs 23:37, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- For those people, those templates don't really concern them. When the update releases, they'll check the update page instead and go from there. Dhranios (talk) (Join the wiki videos project!) 23:40, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- True... but it would be more helpful in general becuase more Java Edition players use Java Edition 1.16.4 than .Humiebeetalk contribs 23:37, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Wanted Page: Moving minecart
The minecarts that move are supposed to be mobs / entities, right? -THENOMNOM (talk) 00:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yes. They are entities. TheGreatSpring (talk | contribs) (Tagalog translation) 00:28, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Minecarts themselves are already entities. Moving minecrafts are no different, just that they are moving, similar to a player walking. So no need for a new pageHumiebee (talk) 00:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Exactly, in the same way as evoker fangs. They only damage they player and have no real behavior nor do they interact with them. James Haydon (talk) 00:51, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Should Caves & Cliffs features in Bedrock Edition be considered from 1.17.0 or from 1.16.210 in history sections
There's a bit of a inconsistency with Caves & Cliffs features in added in the betas of 1.16.X in the form of Experimental Gameplay, for example, this is the history section for pointed dripstone:
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However, this is the history section for goats:
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Notice how the former shows the features as a part of 1.17.0, while the latter shows it as part of 1.16.200 and 1.16.210. I prefer the former option as the Caves & Cliffs features added in the betas of 1.16.X don't end up in the full release, but instead will be a part of 1.17.0.
– Unavailablehoax (talk) 23:36, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- I Support to use the first, because the features won't be part of 1.16.x releases, and it's more specific. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 23:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- They are part of the 1.16.210 betas, and it should be declared that way. Saying the beta is for 1.17 is false information. Dhranios (talk) (Join the wiki videos project!) 00:16, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Should say 1.16.210, with "added under experimental gameplay", then 1.17 with "fully implemented". Nixinova T C 00:26, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Proposal for a Crossovers page, replacing the current Smash page
I talk about this more on Talk:Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, but since that page doesn't get much traffic for obvious reasons, I thought I'd bring it up here.
My argument boils down to it making more sense than adding a new page for every game that references Minecraft, and being more consistent to what Wiki readers might expect and enjoy. Thoughts? -- DigiDuncan (talk) 00:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Request for a new page - but I need your help
I want to create a new page that lists from the longest name for an item to the shortest name, but I don't know how should I create it. I hope you can help me. - Melvintnh327 (talk) 05:04, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- It is unnotable to be given an article. TheGreatSpring (talk) 05:28, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- It is completely trivial information, so it doesn't belong anywhere on this wiki, except perhaps a subpage of your userpage. Fadyblok240 (talk) 05:40, 7 February 2021 (UTC); updated 06:12, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- Okay then...I guess I would not create it - Melvintnh327 (talk) 02:23, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
What happened?
The wiki stopped working for some time. Why? Gameking1happy (talk) 16:40, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Another glitch with UCP, this is the worst one so far. James Haydon (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Fandom rolled out an update that broke the platform. They quickly rolled it back though.
- While they were rolling it back though, Minecraft Wiki played the roles of: 1) London Bird Club Wiki; 2) Wookieepedia; 3) the Pixel Gun Wiki and the Game of Thrones Wiki simultaneously. Oh, and half the platform was the Raft Wiki for a few moments. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 16:58, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think there even is a Game of Thrones wiki on Gamepedia because its not a game. So it also is affecting FANDOM wikis as well. James Haydon (talk) 17:01, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, it affected the entire platform, including all Fandom wikis. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 17:04, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think there even is a Game of Thrones wiki on Gamepedia because its not a game. So it also is affecting FANDOM wikis as well. James Haydon (talk) 17:01, 11 February 2021 (UTC)