Talk:Herobrine/Archive 3

'''Note: Speculation regarding Herobrine will be deleted. So don't waste your time.'''

jeb_'s Plans

 * Adding to the main article. --Kizzycocoa 19:11, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


 * This was later found out to be a new mob called Blaze -Anon


 * I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, I really do (but I'm the only one who's noticed this), but if you see the tweet that Jeb was replying to, it completely debunks this 'proof'. I would also like to suggest that the 'Section title' called 'Recent future news' on the page be replaced by something factual, like "Jeb's recent joke@, because that is all it is. --Mordakai95 -Post added at 10:04 PM November 30

More Evidence
In the new Minecraft 1.8 log -Removed herobrine is at the very bottom, probably another joke.


 * And you forgot your signature. We all make mistakes --HexZyle 22:19, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I actually found out that 1.6.6-1.8 all had the message b/c notch removed the human mob in stages. -fireglo450 8:48 a.m. nov. 22 2011

IMPORTANT
I want to keep this page tidy and clean. Thus, I took the liberty to move any nonsense comments about herobrine existing to Talk:Herobrine/removed|Removed comments. Herobrine's existence IS NOT open for discussion, he does not exist. Period. Please respect the facts and stop posting fake sightings. -- | TheKax |   Talk   16:16, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've just removed them altogether. that is spam, ans should never have been left there. --Kizzycocoa 16:44, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks, that's good. I didn't just want to remove them completely, I didn't want to be too harsh for being just a normal member. The admin hath spoken! :P -- | TheKax |   Talk   16:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Herobrine started as a rumor, there was a white-eyed version of Steve (the Minecraft standard skin) walking around on the edge of the fog, staring at the player, and then walking away.

It was never known if Notch actually implemented this feature.

However, with update 1.6.6 on May 31st 2011 the changelog mentioned removing the illusive feature altogether.
 * facepalm* can't people get a joke? there is no such thing as Herobrine! notch said that he removed him as a joke!!! and sig you'r posts pls... --Yurisho 15:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

In most wikis, anything that is "notable" gets a page. Why not add this page, with a clear header indicating it is a joke, and with factual information such as:

Herobrine was the subject of a persistent urban legend centered around Minecraft. The persistent stories held that Minecraft hid a human NPC by the name Herobrine. The NPC was alleged to build its own mines and homes, and to haunt, taunt, or observe the player in SSP. Although Notch frequently stated Herobrine was a false rumor, he often played along, fanning the flames with tongue-in-cheek twitter posts. In version 1.6.6, he attempted once again to lay the rumor to rest in a tongue-in-cheek manner, by officially declaring that Herobrine had been removed from the game. It is currently unknown whether Herobrine was always a joke, or whether such an ultra-rare NPC did, at one time, exist in the game.

I'm not trying to jump into a delete war here, but Notch is obviously in on the joke, and the topic definitely has notability. And, Herobrine has of course now made it into the changelog, lending further weight to a purpose for this page. TheNthDoctor 17:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree, herobrine is a good part of the game because of it being a sort of minecraft mystery and deserves a page,i mean no matter what people will still hear about it, and by deleting wiki pages and forum posts your just making the myth seem even more true because of the bit about posts being deleted on the forum.--Higbey 18:14, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI, I am still in full favour of this page (that's not a thing that stopped happening), despite being demoted twice for it. and I really hope you guys can come up with a way to make the page eligable, which I believe means showing admins, specifically quatro, that the page is noteworthy and needed.


 * (like the fact many do not know who he is until they see it, and the fact that we have a page for lanterns which were only mentioned, as herobrine once was. in fact, it's the same situation, if you think about it. only it has more history. and the fact the polish wiki has one but has a disclaimer etc. etc. etc.) --Kizzycocoa 18:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I looked into the Herobrine story again and noticed a few things: 1) The screenshot contains a chicken. Chickens weren't added to multiplayer until      v1.0.17. But the player was on v1.0.16_02.     2) The version v1.0.16_02 never existed. The version history goes from v1.0.16_01 to      v1.0.17. Could someone please clarify for me. --Halo Guru 05:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It is possible that it was a test version. Also, it is stated that he was in SP, not MP. --SN777 Divinus 22:05, 09 July 2011 (MT)

Please, add the interwiki to the Russian page - Хиробрин --Teksel 13:39, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit Copy
Since only admins can edit this page, can we have an edit copy just like for the main page? We could have rules for this page like these:
 * No sightings
 * No fan-sites

Drenay 22:26, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm just happy the way the page is right now. DarkBlade 02:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, this isn't too important, but if some admin wishes, he could make the rest two mentions of notch in those chats links. Not important, but useful. -- | TheKax |   Talk   07:36, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree with DarkBlade. I feel glad that the page exists because it has major significance amongst the minecraft community. HOWEVER, it should remain locked because it has all the information it needs. If it was unlocked or had any sort of copy, it would instantly become flooded with "sightings" about how herobrine jumped out of their computer and started spawning perfectly square pieces of sand in their room or some other ridiculous tall tale, they would crop up so often and in such numbers that it would be almost impossible to completely suppress them. It details the original picture, notch's statements on it, and that it does not exist. When I first read this article (I was not on minecraft long enough to hear of Herobrine), I was perfectly satisfied, and felt that it wasn't missing anything. As far as I've heard, Herobrine was not in the source code, and the only development of npcs that perform such lifelike tasks (let alone place and destroy blocks) are for the NPC villages in 1.8. Only God can Save You now... EDIT: With the "Endermen" screenshot recently released, I think this mob may fullfill the purpose of Herobrine, as they seem to be able to place/destroy blocks, while also appearing very sinister. If there is anything even vaguely Herobrine-like in minecraft, it's this mob. Another reason to wait for 1.8! :3 Mybabypetghast 04:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not used to adding things like this and I must also admit I haven't really looked for someone else to mention it, but in the Herobrine page at the bottom, it says: He was also stated to have been removed in 1.7, as well as 1.7_01, this time with no reason apparent. The reason is obvious, look at the bottom line of the image. It says: removed Herobrine. http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:1.7_changelist.png Herkio 08:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Tagging.
Personally I think this page should keep the "S for Skeleton" tag on it, as it's really just a joke. Timberdoodle 19:48, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

A new twitter
this twitter might be worth putting in the article somewhere.--Yurisho 08:13, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Already known, no need to add. -- | TheKax |   Talk   09:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

"Endermen"
The "Enderman" mob seen in a screenshot released by Notch seems an awful lot like Herobrine. They are humanoid, sinister and seem to be able to place/destroy blocks. Does anyone think they should get some mention on this page? Mybabypetghast 22:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No. until confirmed, they are not any relation to Herobrine. --Kizzycocoa 22:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with Kizzy, no mention should be added. Though, I must admit, the blank white eyes immediately reminded me of Herobrine :P | TheKax |   Talk   14:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Understood. Just a question, didn't notch express some desire to add something herobrine-ish? I remember hearing something about it but I can't remember if it's true or not. But even if this is it, there's no proof so I guess you couldn't put that in there. Mybabypetghast 21:16, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I recon this too...--Yurisho 18:51, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that the Endermen replaced Herobrine in any way. My friends and I have still spotted Herobrine after 1.8 adventure update. However, Notch may have done this on purpose to make it seem like Herobrine is gone. ninjakickbutt

Wow
so who died to finally let this be made on minepedia?  A NNOYING  11:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha. | TheKax |   Talk   14:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Me partially, but Quatro had his share of hurt over this issue, what with spam. --Kizzycocoa 14:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Name change
I think the name of this page should be changed to "The Herobrine Hoax", it's catchier, and it immediately clarifies that Herobrine, is, in fact, not real. --AlixeTiir 06:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The usual convention is to name things by their actual name, and possibly as short as possible, and letting the article to explain it in depth. I think we should keep it like that, but a redirect from that title could be possible, but probably useless, since people looking for info on herobrine will just probably type in "Herobrine". [[Image:TK.gif]]  | TheKax |   Talk   14:35, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * "The Herobrine Hoax" would be a nice title for a report, but not for a wiki page. When you search for herobrine, you don't type in "The Herobrine Hoax", you type in "Herobrine". Mybabypetghast 21:24, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Possible proof?
In some official Minecraft logos (Such as Wedding Weekend Logo and the mojang.minecon.com logo), behind Notches character, you can actually see HIM. Is this proof that he is real?


 * Why are people even still discussing if he's real or not? There is no proof to look for, he doesn't exist, end of story. Vanilla Minecraft doesn't even have the capability to create a mob like Herobrine. – ultradude25 ( T at 07:11, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Look, if he wasn't in the games source coding, he could not exist. And if you'd look at the top of this discussion page, you would see that HEROBRINE'S EXISTENCE IS NOT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION! Mybabypetghast 21:19, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

NonVannila Server Clients
If you search around youtube for a little bit, you'll soon find SMP server clients that provide ways to "summon" Herobrine. In vanilla Minecraft, you'll NEVER find him as of now, but in SMP clients, there are gags that make herobrine appear when you summon him (he then lights you on fire) or when there's no one on at nighttime (ingame) Would it be possible to include these in the article with a disclaimer saying, "This is not supported by Mojang or it's affiliates, as it is third-party software," or something? Btw, I'm typing this on my Nook Color, so it's tough to do paragraphs.


 * There are several Herobrine mods, including some fairly well-made ones using the Bukkit API. I personally think that those mods should be featured in this article and it be given the modding category.  Given this article's history, though, I'm not going to push it. --Theothersteve7 19:32, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Humans not removed
When Notch joked that he removed Herobrine, the Human mob wasn't removed - its behaviour (being spawnable with mods and agressive) and existence within the game's code (having no class or skin) never changed. This was discussed a lot on the Human's talk page, but I think it should be raised here. -- Carralpha 16:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

I know that you said not to talk about the existence of Herobrine, and that you believe him to be a joke, however, I would advise you to see something. On my friend's server the other day, we had several encounters. Please look into this. Don't write this off as spam. I can see why you would, but, there's no harm in coming to the server, and staying a while, is there? Just tell me if you'd like to. I'll give you the ip. Thanks.
 * It's called a plug-in. --HexZyle 05:45, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately the article still hasn't been updated. -- Carralpha 08:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The minecraft wiki does not support mods. If you would like to post all the details of the mod, create a new page under Mods/(nameofthemod) and title it with the disclaimer tag. --HexZyle 10:00, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I wasn't talking about the mod, I wanted to bring things back to my original point - that the Human mob wasn't removed in 1.6.6 (as the article currently says), but was removed in 1.8. It's just a simple factual problem, but I can't correct it because the page is locked. -- Carralpha 17:52, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The page is correct. The distinct coding for the human was removed in 1.6.6, another message regarding removing the human's coding was in 1.7, and then the entire human mob was made inaccessable by 1.8. --HexZyle 22:57, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Then I apologise. I'd thought the Human mob never had any distinct coding (always existing as the general mob class), and it wasn't removed until 1.8. Thanks for clearing it up.
 * However, the info in the article probably should be clarified to reflect what you say: the word "removed" suggests the mob was fully taken away in 1.6.6, not just losing its separate class, and for 1.8 is says there was "no apparent reason" even though this was when the Human was made fully inaccessible. -- Carralpha 05:37, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The 1.0 changelog shows "- Removed Herobrine" again... -- GinjaNinja32

Update 1.8
It was once again mentioned that Herobrine was removed in update 1.8. Presumably another joke by Notch to get everyone riled up.

Speaking of 1.8: the New Enderman mob is similar in it's mono-color eyes and ability to alter the Landscape.

Mod
There is a mod on Herobrine called the Herobrine mod. It summons Herobrine when a three by three gold blocks is placed, with a moss stone in the center with a burning netherrack above it. Herobrine has officially been spotted in the game: I myself have seen Herobrine, and I swear this is not a lie. However, I do agree that the Enderman mob may have served Herobrine's purpose, though they aren't creepy enough.
 * Herobrine is not in the game. at all. the mods may add him, but it remains that he's not in the game. As for endermen, no. that was a slenderman ploy. hence the name. I guess it could be him recreating a version of Herobrine, but it didn't work. it only works as a creepy mystical mob. --Kizzycocoa 16:23, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

its not mos stone its bones surround by soul sand for herobrine totem GODZILLA

^^ This.

That is another mod. This guy is talking about.. I think it's the Bukkit plugin.. ISmile 03:21, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I have heard and seen a CanaryMod Plugin that has a alter summonable herobrine, and it has herobrine setting traps for the player, digging tunnels, and I guess stealing stuff from chests. I'd heard it was an update to the original hmod plugin. 99.99.214.135 22:25, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

saying herobrine is not part of minecraft is like saying santa has nothing to do with christmas
so yes he's fake. so what, i like herobrine and i think he should have a place on the wiki. he's part of minecraft not in the code or on the screen but in all our blocky hearts. he is as real a santa or uncle sam, he's a symbol for the fear of a dark mine, the fire of the nether, or the moss of a spawner. he is part of the cuby world. i think he should have a place on this wiki, i fear the cold eyes and his soules face but still love him for it. he is fear the fear of a creeper going SSSSSSssss right behind you, the fear of picking into lava the fear of a ghast shoting at your portal, he is all those things with a face. so the community made him so he is real. he's not a person. he's not a thing. he's not even a place. he's and idea. so yes he's real

and this is what i think. JAXLER –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jaxler (Talk&#124;Contribs)  Please sign your posts with
 * Because of the rediculous amount of publicity and his contribution (mostly negative) to the minecraft community, the admins have already decided to keep this page. --HexZyle 01:43, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * This post reminds me of some song called "When You're Evil"... anyway, I don't think your description of him really works because not everyone shares your opinion of him. To me, for example, he's just a blank-eyed human of no threat to me, even if he did exist. Cobalt32 18:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

disc 11
many people belive disc 11 is about herobrine but some people also belive if you count the disc and mobs its enderman and since the ender was told to come soon i bet its about the ender and people try to stop beliveing in herobrine just get the mod if ou actualy want to tell stuff about him with your friends instead of saying you saw them when you didnt
 * (Appluads spelling lacking user for his wise words) No sarcasm --HexZyle 20:00, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow. Just, wow. 1. Y U NO SPELL WORDS CORRECTLY! 2. Notch said, "Listen to 11, think of what I ALWAYS remove." 3. Skeptic. (I have no account, but really, think, THIIIINK.)

Notch said it's a slenderman in the music disc!

No official ties?
At the start of the article it says Herobrine has no official ties to Minecraft. However, he was in the logos. Wouldn't those be considered official ties? (joke from Notch) 50.132.2.24 03:26, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems like they are referring to the actual game Minecraft. ☁ Shockman25 ☂ Talk ☁ 03:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

In-game Herobrine reference
SMP jokingly references Herobrine. The death message for being killed by an arrow dispenser says the player was "shot by Herobrine". This is an in-joke (since dispensers are obviously not Herobrine) and should not be taken as evidence that Herobrine actually exists in vanilla. 71.248.168.58 14:35, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, this should go under Herobrine. TorchicBlaziken 19:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Herobrine "removal" tags info
I know why Notch put -Removed Herobrine the at the end of each update. He did it so people could stop asking about it. But all it did was make things worse, like asking for more questions. Might wanna add this. Also, I 1.0.16_02 never existed. My friend only remembers 1.0.16_01, and then just 1.0.17. Notice all the FAKEItalic text sightings are on 1.0.17_04.

-Regards, SmashDatThunder 23:27, 29 October 2011 (UTC)SmashDatThunder

Interesting topic?
This seems a little interesting, and I thought you should add this. Notch has said to "Listen to 11, think of what I always remove."

-Removed Herobrine. -Removed Herobrine. -Removed Herobrine.

"Think of what I always remove." This is definitely something related to Herobrine. Add this. ISmile 09:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

11 and end game
11 sounds like a sick man entering a vault, thumbing through a book, then running for his life and shouting hero- then it statics out. And with the WAKE UP troll... note in the end game poem (1.9pre6) it says your dreaming and says to wake up. Darthzues 05:38, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Although the "wake up" part is similar, their meanings don't seem related. In the creepypasta, the reader was implied to be comatose (or something) and Minecraft was his reminder that he needs to wake up, while the "end poem" seems to have a more existential overtone.


 * Frankly, I think it's lame anyway. Cobalt32 05:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

We have False Information!
"This repeated again to 1.8, again with no reason."

There WAS a reason. Notch actually removed the human mob for real now. We should remove the "With no reason" bit. ISmile 04:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

COME ON!
Could someone with rights PLEASE fix the grammar? Sorry I'm a spelling freak, but this IS a wiki. Hailfire 18:57, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, only admins have that power right now due to the idiots who insist that Herobrine is real. --Saphireking65 19:19, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed all spelling. if there are any grammar faults, I could not see them. can you please tell me where they are? --Kizzycocoa 19:58, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

How much is true?
How much of the original Herobrine post is true?

Of course, there was never a Herobrine mob. That's not what I'm asking. I mean, was there ever a Swedish gamer who went by the name Herobrine? And if so, was he actually Notch's brother?

It's been difficult to find reliable information elsewhere about this hoax so I thought I might give this a shot. --186.83.198.143 23:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It was all made up. all of it. --Kizzycocoa 02:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if this was inspired by the "wake up" thing, but I suspect that the end poem is inspired by the "WAKE UP" thing on this page. Not sure if it's worth noting. --67.250.95.164 14:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

"Removed" again in 1.0
The |1.0 Changelog states that he's been removed again, so that might be worth adding with the other "Removals" in the article. Just minor, but might be worth adding. Ordona 13:05, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I noticed the removal note, came to the wiki to find out what herobrine was (expecting some sort of salty beverage) and was confused that it apparently never existed o.o is this just notch trolling? 78.105.8.153 13:43, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * yep. Mojang trolling. just like the Minecon graphics. --Kizzycocoa 13:54, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Isn't this overkill? (Yes, it is)
It's an overwhelming progress for the Herobrine page to be up, at last.

Of course the spam from the pre-teenagers is bad, but it's a curse upon every Minecraft-related site. Anyway, the point is not that.

The point is, the page still shows all the animosity from the Wiki team towards this piece of lore in particular. It seriously looks more like a personal matter than a wiki-related issue.

I haver never seen outside, let's say, old times Uncyclopedia, a page with that many warnings. It's absolutely unnecessary, and makes the moderation team look really silly, "mad", and "butthurt". If the person wants to read about the truths and lies around it, it will read enough to render those I HATE IT ALL stickers useless.

Look, it's hard to maintain a Wiki. But... It really shouldn't be a "dead site". The lore and internal stories ARE part of the game once they reach a certain point. They deserve a place just like the crafting recipes. Humor DOES belong in it. The game is about HAVING FUN.

And by the way, do not mix the meme and lore stuff, they have different contexts. Herobrine for the Internet is mostly a minor spreadly meme. Herobrine for the Minecraft community is part of its lore.