Talk:Golden Apple/Archive 2

Drop Rates in dungeon chests
I saw someone post a screenshot of them finding a golden apple in a chest after 1.5 hit. Could someone confirm that the drop rate is still around 1%? Also, from what I recall of the chest code, it wasn't 1 in 125, it was 1 in 100 if the golden apple happened to be randomly selected. Of course, the code I looked at is no longer current. --Theothersteve7 17:42, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't confirm the exact rate, but yeah, I've found one in a plain ol' dungeon chest in 1.9 pre 2. So, they're not limited to Strongholds as the wiki page currently claims. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.130.234.75 (Talk) 03:41, 4 October 2011. Please sign your posts with

Healing amount
The page currently says : "Golden apples are often misunderstood in terms of healing: the player dies when all his 10 hearts disappear. It must be considered that golden apples heal only 9.5/10 hearts; while the last heart is 1/2 and any other damage from falling or any form of attack from a mob is fatal."

This is like saying a loaf of bread only heals 1 heart as long as you have 9 hearts left. Of course the golden apple heals 10 hearts. It's an unwieldy way of saying you won't be in a position to use all the healing potential of a golden apple. Steviesteveo 21:47, 10 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I have nothing to argue here. Both perspectives are very much true. Sykar24 05:13, 15 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Except that it looks to me like that should be 10 HP -- four seconds of Regeneration II, allowing an extra count as the potions have, should be . I'm putting that in the main page, if someone knows better, feel free to correct it.  --71.62.74.41 15:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's . The effect is regeneration II (heal every 1.25 seconds) for 5 seconds, which is just enough to heal . Absorption doesn't restore health, it simply adds extra health that is depleted first, but cannot be healed and will disappear when the effect wears off. ~From Contrapple Empty Map.png 22:11, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Wow, these are expensive!
Is there a reason why he made them so damn expensive? I mean seriously, it's ridiculous how costly these things are! Electrk 19:37, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * So what? That's why you go find them in chests or play in SMP, or spawn them. - Asterick6 22:44, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Spawning them doesn't count. --Captain_Clam 22:59, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's kind of obscene. I guess they are like an "unobtainable cheat item" in the game. It would be more realistic if they were made with ingots rather than blocks. --HexZyle 23:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * With the introduction of regeneration potions I'm slightly hoping Golden Apples will do something far more amazing to retain their value. Their purple text and glow is bound to mean it's epic or unique, so let's hope it will be. I guess I could bother Jeb about it, see if he has time to answer on twitter or such. -Saratje 19:50, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Now after the 1.1 release, Apples seem to be alot easier to get from oak tree leaves as I was colleting from my tree farm today and got two apples after chopping 5 trees and their leaves. I crafted one into a golden apple using a less expensive way after the update (Gold nuggets in stead of Gold blocks) and then got really exicited because of how rare I thought they were! I then read the wiki to see there value dropped completely. They shouldn't be expensive (Gold blocks) Or cheap (Gold nuggets) They should obtain some value back by crafting the golden apple with gold ingots. So its easier but doesn't rob you. Sykar24 05:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

For all those who think GOld is valueless, just see this page.. or, if you have the Snapshot with Beacons, see that it can replace-Iron in a Pyramid for it (so it's at-least as valuable as Iron, already being like 1 /10th or less as common). Meanwhile, it can be crated into other more-commonly useful things, even, so it's once-again at least as valuable as Iron. But as for whether 8 Blocks of it or 8 Ingots of it is a better deal.. go Figure (do the Math). Yilante, 10 /8 /12 98.248.218.170 06:56, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Obtained by Inventory Editors?
The last line of text in the first section of the page reads "Because of their rarity, they are often obtained via inventory editors." Is that really a fact? That sounds... out of place to me. ThatDirtBlock made this. 00:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this isn't the place for mentioning mods. Removing it would be a good idea. --HexZyle 01:00, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Taken care of for now. --Saratje 02:08, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Should the images be animated?
Since Golden Apples obtained a purple glow in 1.9 prerelease…2?, should it be considered to make its appearance on the page (Goldenapple.png,Grid_Golden_Apple.png) and in Template:Items animated with said glow? In the interest of accuracy, of course… (I would also like to take a moment to brag that I legitimately obtained a Golden Apple yesterday… I am a happy bunny) Shellface 14:06, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Got mine a good while when dungeon hunting at the 8th or so attempt, lucky! An animated golden apple could be nice I guess. --Saratje 16:23, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I crafted mine- I still have 24 Blocks of Gold waiting for apples, though it took two (1.8) Strongholds to get one apple, so they might have to wait 'til apple trees. But back on track, I guess the images will have to be .gifs since not all browsers support animated .pngs (do they have a special file type? I forget.), as far as I remember (screw you, IE.) Shellface 22:12, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Naming
I think Aupple is a better name for this item. Those of you who know your periodic table should be laughing right about now. 77.164.81.181 11:04, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Mildly funny. I like puns. This one is decent. :) --HexZyle 14:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Though humorous to the educated, I think this joke is slightly too obscure to warrant adding it to the full game. Cobalt32 14:40, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * @27, I highly doubt he was serious. He was just bringing a bit of aurum fruity humour to our (half-)lives. ;) --HexZyle 15:02, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * We should make a fictional minecraft blocks periodic table. Haha!  : : S A R A T J E  : :[[File:Diamondapple.png]]  : : T A L K :C O N T R I B U T I O N S
 * Already been done: Periodic Table --HexZyle 07:34, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha, xkcd reference xD. Nice one, and the funny thing is my chem syllabus has the comic on it with the Snapple joke. - Asterick6 (talk) 23:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Article says that there is an 'Enchanced Golden Apple', but enchanting is not needed to make this. This is inconsistent. IMHO 'Enhanced Golden Apple' or 'Glowing Golden Apple' is better. --AMotohiko 20:51, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Purple tag?
Should we add a | title = tag to the item infobox, to match the fact that golden apples have purple text?

S A R A T J E  : :  : :T A L K :C O N T R I B U T I O N S


 * 1. Why does it matter that the tooltip is purple?
 * 2. It would be difficult to read on the blue background. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 04:09, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Apples dropping from Trees
Apples do not drop in the official 1.0.0 release. That is only a feature of the weekly builds. However the wiki makes no distinction between what is in the official release, and what is only in an unofficial build release. Please either specifically note EACH item which is only available in the Development Snapshots, or add a section specific to the **Unreleased** features. 69.145.252.213 10:07, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Apples As of 1.1 DO drop from Oak Tree leaves either when natrally disintigrated or punched out. Sykar24 05:10, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Can someone get a pic from a stronghold chest?
So, I found a seed for a stronghold chest, one I was always looking for. Multiple gold apples. First chest I found had 2 golden apples. The seed was "CorridorDigital". Without quotes. I've lost the chest by now, and I can't remember which world I have it on, so if anyone feels like they want to find this stronghold and the apple chest, I feel that a multiple apple chest would be a great thing to add to the gallery. Funky3000 17:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Nerfing of required items
Jeb has recently said on Twitter that he is changing the recipe to a lesser amount, but it hasn't been confirmed what it has been changed to yet (e.g ingots or nuggets or whatever) –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 92.232.109.17 (Talk) 17:07, 9 January 2012. Please sign your posts with

Hunger healing drop
Golden apples now only heal 2 bars of hunger, the same as an apple. I added it to the page :3. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.200.225.159 (Talk) 20:04, 12 January 2012. Please sign your posts with
 * You forgot to change the trivia, which says that it will competely fill the hunger bar. I will change it Harishimomo 17:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Golden Apples in Mineshafts
Can someone confirm that golden apples can be found in mineshafts? With a seed or code information? Goregue 14:42, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Golden Apples weren't in Indev!
I have checked Indev 0.31 and the last Indev's items.png files, only normal apple we're there. I checked Infdev, i found the texture! Updated the page... –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Ldtvproductions (Talk&#124;Contribs) 12:47, 31 March 2012‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with

Super effects on enchanted golden apples
The pages says that eating the apple crafted from gold blocks gives you, excluding Fire Resistance which you can get by potions, Regeneration IV and "Resistance". You can obviously get only Resistance II with potions, and there isn't a potion which can give you "Resistance". So, I think it would be good imo if somebody did a reaserch on how many hearts does regen 4 heal or what does resist do at all. (I suppose it makes you less vulnerable to physical attacks, but there's no information on how many hearts and all. Thanks -Vurn 87.205.202.49 07:05, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not an expert on potion mechanics, but it looks like Resistance decreases all damage, similar to the Protection enchantment on armor. As for Regeneration, this bit of code from Potion.java is relevant:

public boolean isReady(int duration, int amplifier) {       if (id == regeneration.id || id == poison.id) {           int i = 25 >> amplifier; if (i > 0) {               return par1 % i == 0; }


 * A regular (level I, amplifier = 0) regeneration or poison potion takes effect every 25 ticks (1.25 seconds). Each additional level halves the interval, so a regen II potion heals every 12 ticks, and regen IV from the enchanted golden apple heals every 3 ticks. Since it lasts for 30 seconds, it could theoretically heal, but in practice you'll be at full health most of the time. Testing it by drinking a potion of poison II while standing on a cactus, I never lost more than half a heart. Also being on fire, or standing in lava, might be dangerous, if not for the fire resistance effect. You're basically immune to everything short of falling into the Void. -- Orthotope 10:48, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Crafting recipe has changed to nuggets, not ingots
The crafting recipe shows that you make a golden apple from an apple and 8 gold ingots. This may have been true in the past but the current recipe now uses the much cheaper gold nuggets not ingots. A user who follows the diagram will find it doesn't work and won't know why it's not working. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.135.73.27 (talk)&#32;02:08, 15 July 2013‎(UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * Update to 1.6... –ultradude25 ᐸ Talk Contribs – 02:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Video
Shouldn't the video be removed? It's outdated and completely unnecessary. --97.93.239.85 00:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Is "Notch Apple" official?
If the in-game description of the Overpowered achievement calls the enchanted apple a "Notch Apple," does that make the name official? Shouldn't the wiki page then refer to it as such?

Roadsguy 16:32, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


 * What the player sees in their inventory is simply "Golden Apple" (but with the text colored differently), so that's the "official" name (and the name id for both is "golden_apple" just with different data). But in terms of what words should we use to differentiate it from the "regular" golden apple in discussion, that's not a bad argument. But it would be important to make it clear in the article (which I don't think it currently does, says the person with the last edit) that you never see the words "enchanted golden apple" or "notch apple" in your inventory, else potential confusion. &mdash;munin &middot; Book and Quill.png Stone Pickaxe.png &middot; 17:06, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Random wiki browser,
 * We could add the something to the "Trivia" section about how the Enchanted Golden Apple is commonly referred to as a "Notch Apple"

24.152.223.103 00:37, 9 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I added it in the introduction. ~From Contrapple Empty Map.png 23:01, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * No, we don't need that because it's already in the achievement description. —F‌enhl 01:21, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Error?
On the chart it says that both Golden Apples give Absorption for 2:00, but in the history it says on 1.6.1 that it lasts 1:30. What is correct? 190.190.220.139 01:57, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


 * It's 2:00 ~From Contrapple Empty Map.png 22:58, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Goddess Iðunna
Is the Golden Apple inspired on the legend of Iðunn, the Norse goddess of apples? It is said that the Idunna/Idun, has an orchard of golden apples that she enchants and offer to the gods (that, in Norse mythology, arent immortal and powerful without those apples). –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.139.158.214 (talk) at 16:32, 31 August 2015 (UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * It might be, it might not, though unless a developer states as such, is is not allowed on the article as per rule #4.1. – KnightMiner  t/c 17:21, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Rename enchanted golden apple to Notch apple
I propose changing all references to “enchanted golden apples” on the wiki to use the term “Notch apple” instead. To my knowledge, the current term never actually appears in the game, while “Notch apple” is used by the achievement system. This has briefly been discussed above, but I feel like the decision to simply add the official name as a “sometimes known as” alternative was not enough. This article should also state (either in the introduction or in Usage) that their tooltips simply say “Golden Apple”, and that they are distinguished from the regular ones by their enchantment-like glow effect. —Fenhl 23:08, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Golden Apple Video
Why is the video still there? If it's out of date it must be removed! I can't do it myself because i'm a new user!Lightning360 (talk) 10:27, 19 March 2016 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, Curse poilcy requires us to keep their videos on our articles. All we can do is point out incorrect and outdated information using video notes, and hope they make a new video correcting it. —Fenhl 15:52, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Split
Anybody in favor of splitting this? They are similar sort of but they barely have any usage in common, so everything is a little unwieldy. It seems like fish and cooked fish (to pick a random example) are way more similar and still those each get their own page. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 05:02, 2 September 2016 (UTC)


 * —71.220.202.145 20:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I saw the Enchanted Apple recipe in the release 1.2
Help! Can you fixed that page! –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 180.191.115.209 (talk) at 6:14, 29 September 2017 (UTC). Please sign your posts with
 * Done, I added a note.  HorseHead.png MarkusRost (talk) 07:03, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * But how about all? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 180.191.115.120 (talk) at 17:49, 10 October 2017 (UTC). Please sign your posts with
 * Can you explain what you mean, "how about all"? – Sealbudsman talk/contr 21:51, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

How about all? Please ask me! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 180.191.115.101 07:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC) ARE YOU NOT LISTENING!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!! 180.190.50.146 23:34, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but we can't help you if we don't know what you mean by your post. We will be able to help you much better if you explain what you mean by "how about all," rather than shouting. If you could kindly explain what you mean when you say "how about all," I'd be more than happy to help, as long as it's something that would be constructive.--Orange Glazed Terracotta.png Madminecrafter12 T • C 02:29, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Crafting Notch Apples
I was on Minecraft for Windows 10, and I was able to craft a Notch Apple in creative. I am certain it is the Bedrock Edition&mdash;it was called "Minecraft" in the window, I uninstalled and reinstalled it, and I confirmed I was on the right thing via minecraft.net.Slscool (talk) 04:43, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Bedrock Edition spawning
Enchanted Golden Apples can spawn in desert temple chests in the Bedrock Edition. I don't know the spawn rates but this article and the article for Chest loot should be updated since both show that the Enchanted Apple only spawns in woodland mansions, which is incorrect. --D3rpylyr4 (talk) 01:34, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Loot table in article based on all edition, but using Java Edition as default chest loot. If there different chance for items between editions, such as Apple Enchanted at woodland mansion in Bedrock has different chance than in Java, then only this will shown as other percentage are same as in Java. ImakerB (talk) 09:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

LootChestItem script is missing bedrock table for other spawn locations. That's why it's not showing correctly. 206.189.175.203 21:58, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Crafting usage
thanks but, any idea why crafting usage isn't working for this case? (and is this the only example where it doesn't work, or are there others?) – Sealbudsman talk | contribs 06:56, 19 October 2019 (UTC)


 * It's one of the few single-item aliases which resolves to a different name, Enchanted Golden Apple uses the Golden Apple sprite with a custom title. Crafting usage looks at the resolved name, whereas the categories don't. Setting it to look for Golden Apple looks for the right item name in the wrong category, setting it to look for Enchanted Golden Apple looks for the wrong item name in the right category. So the simplest fix in this case is to just look for both names (which it should've been doing anyway, in case golden apple is added to a recipe in the future), as it'll look for both names in both categories. –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 08:06, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Enchanted golden apple renewable?
Correct me if I am wrong but the page says that the enchanted golden apple is not renewable. Apples are renewable through saplings and gold from pigmen so surely it would be renewable? Also how could the regular one be but the enchanted not? They are the same ingredients but enchanted just needs more gold. Molten cheese10 (talk) 11:09, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Explain how the enchanted apple needs more gold if it can't be crafted in the first place? - User-12316399 (talk) 11:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I'm old fashioned and didn't know that the recipe was removed. I thought you could still craft them with the eight blocks of gold. Guess I didn't notice because you never really craft them. Molten cheese10 (talk) 11:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Notch Apple (2020)
Now that virtually all reference to Notch has been scrubbed from the game, it may be pertinent to add to the Trivia section that "Enchanted Golden Apples" are commonly referred to as "Notch Apples", so newer players are aware of what the term is referencing.

Maybe something like:


 * Enchanted Golden Apples are commonly referred to by players as "Notch Apples", in reference to Notch, the game's original creator.

-- <b style="color:aqua">DigiDuncan!</b> (talk) 20:00, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Split (again)
Sealbudsman made this discussion a long time ago but this pretty much had no discussion with only one comment with strong oppose by an ip adress so I am reopening this discussion. I propose to split the page into Golden Apple and Enchanted Golden Apple. Why? Well i'll tell you. HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits

Why
To start, the differences. The only reason why they are merged is becuase of texture and name, but that's just a lame excuse. Compare this to the stone page and you will see many similarities. The page was split becuase of many differences, eg obtaining, uses, etc. The only similaraties between them was the name and (partially) obtaining. For this page, the only similarities are name, texture, and their gold quality (piglins). There are so many differences like obtaining (ECA are much rarer) achievements, they have different rareness (rare as in the rarity function in minecraft), the fact that EGA don't have a crafting recipe and a few other things. Thats why the Stone page was split so this page should to. HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 00:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Comments

 * – they are obtained in different ways (e.g. enchanted apple being uncraftable) and have different enough usages to warrant splitting IMO. – Sonicwave talk  00:32, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * , yes, I agree. – Sealbudsman talk | contribs 18:24, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * , they are different enough to warrant a split --152.32.96.61 07:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * , but somebody needs to cleanup the articles. Fadyblok240 (talk) 22:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Inconsistent regeneration timing
In the history section, under snapshot 13w23b, the regeneration timing is said to have been changed to 10 seconds. In the usage section, it's reported as being 5 seconds, even though there's nothing later in the history section that says it's been changed to 5 seconds. I checked the page for 13w23b, and it says that it was changed to 10 seconds, but without any citation. I tested the golden apple in 1.6.4, and it's most definitely 5 seconds there. Also, regeneration 2 for 10 seconds will give 8HP (4 hearts). So clearly something somewhere is mixed up. 110.175.185.142 05:05, 28 August 2020 (UTC)