User talk:User-12316399/Archive 2

Resolved issue
Thanks for your help!

My apologies
I apologize for reverting your edit to Element. I saw the thumbnail, but it wasn't big enough for me to see that it was made of the Minecraft images, and I didn't click through to see the image itself. I only learned of the existence of the left-step table a few days ago. I think in my mind, the image of it I saw then was the only picture of it that exists, and I presume your picture was intentionally made to look as much like it as possible. Of course, that means at thumbnail size (and with my failing eyesight) it's easy to mistake it for the original. I'm suitably embarrassed now. – Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 02:40, 10 June 2019 (UTC) Hmm. One thing the left-step table makes obvious that the standard table doesn't is that we'll soon need to add another orbital to all the atoms in the universe. Time for a new WikiProject! – Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 02:46, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

“Nautilus core” redirect
Could you please explain why you reverted my mark for deletion? I don’t see why any reader would search “Nautilus core”, and there are no links. The BlobsPaper.png 02:42, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Check the trivia section. - User-12316399 (talk) 12:29, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Table in "Sounds" section
Sometimes make a template better than copy a fixed table. If you can't make a template alone, you can ask others for help. (poor English)-- Icyphantom  TalkIContributions 08:43, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

About my recent edits
Im in the process of adding references to the 0.0.14a_01 page, but Im doing this on mobile so it will take a while

Antermc (talk) 23:52, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Block articles and section structure
Please note that I have opened a discussion on the talk page of the style guide for features: see here. Since you were involved in the revert war regarding those changes, I ask you to explain your point of view on that page. Thank you! 🐱 --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 16:23, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

In case you're not watching that page: I wrote a reply there, please read it. Most importantly: Stop this mass-editing immediately until this was actually properly discussed! Fabian42 (talk) 01:01, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

0.28 Screenshot
Why do you think the Luigi2600's fake client screenshot is better than mine? That iron block texture didn't even exist and the gold block texture was already replaced with newer one. The resolution is also not correct. Sorry but my screenshot is better solution to all of this.    Lassebq    Talk  |  Contributions  18:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Wait, so the screenshot is fake anyway? Where's the proof of this? I've been told that this was a custom texture pack. - User-12316399 (talk) 10:39, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not fake, Lassebq has been told about this (and should know this). Luigi2600 didn't even have a 0.28 up for download. It's a screenshot taken in 2009 of the real client, albeit with a texture pack enabled. Sure, screenshots with texture packs are generally not allowed here but this should be an exception as it's the only real screenshot of the version that can be found. Tolerabledruid6 (talk) 13:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean "custom texture pack?". Your only can use official Minecraft texture for pages, etc. unless you're showcasing a mod/texture pack. Btw why are you typing 0.28 snapshot? There is no 0.28 snapshot, this only goes to 1.0 or to the beta and alpha versions. ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) Andrew36903690 (talk) 03:45, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not difficult to dig into a jar file and replace image files to apply a texture pack. Also, when did anyone at all in this entire conversation say anything about snapshots? - User-12316399 (talk) 13:44, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * OK. Here's the direct proof that this is modified client and not just textures. YOU COULDN'T CHANGE WINDOW AND GUI RESOLUTIONS BACK THAN. You could actually but it would not affect the playable area it would still be 854x480px.
 * EDIT: And I gave up trying to upload the image that would look identical to the one with the original client.
 *    Lassebq    Talk  |

Contributions  16:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
 * And your point is? It's still the real 0.28, just modified. It's the only existing screenshot of any form of 0.28, so there is an exception for that. If there were no real screenshots, we would simply not put any screenshot on the page at all. We do not appreciate your photoshopped and fake screenshots - please do not continue to do this. Tolerabledruid6 (talk) 15:03, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Block Overview Image
Hi! I saw your concerns about the block overview image. As for organization- I made way too many arbitrary decisions when putting the new image together for 1.14 and basically stayed in that spirit. Honey blocks do have an obvious association with slime blocks, but if I were to move the honey block next to the slime block, the rest of the 1.15 blocks might have to go with it given their association (well, the slime block could move, but then that column has to be changed... and Beehives/Bee Nests both could be associated with the utility blocks, or Beehives with nature-type blocks... and all of these placements would require reshuffling of plenty else... basically, rational organization is hard so I chose laziness instead. As for the blocks currently rendered in 2D- I know it's wiki policy now for the individual renders to make them 3D, but I view that as a bit odd. The thing is that those sorts of blocks are rotated 45 degrees relative to the rest. In game, their profile is an "X", not a "+". If they were to be rendered in the standard perspective, only one face would be visible, the other being perpendicular to the view plane, but the whole thing would look weird and "squashed". My point is wiki perspective and flat are both arbitrary, but flat is closer to standard perspective. Redstone wire, rails, ladders, etc. are exceptions to this reasoning and could be changed to standard perspective (but might not look as clear). Bedrock Edition blocks are a good idea and almost certainly should be added at some point, though I will admit I'm a bit of a Java snob. I have no clue why it's called Template1. It's been like that since the original uploader put the first version up and I guess nobody's bothered to look into it Wilfred maplewood (talk) 02:29, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm Sorry :(
I accidentally edited your talk page. I already reverted it to a blank page, I was meant to edit my page and I was confused that why I didn't see my edit's on my talk page. I'm sorry that I edited your talk page.

Andrew36903690 (talk) 03:40, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Slovak project
Hey man, why you renaming the Slovak pages? Xrup (talk) 23:55, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


 * To make them have the correct titles like other projects. User-12316399 (talk) 23:56, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok. I'll call the site the way you put it there. Xrup (talk) 23:58, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

"I think this is the official name"
"moved page Soil patch to Disk without leaving a redirect: I think this is the official name" Got a source of it being the official name? FVbico (talk) 10:22, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

«block clocking in at 40700 kg»
Hassium, however, is predicted to have a density almost twice that of osmium, with a block clocking in at 40700 kg, which is very heavy indeed. special:diff/1392615. Hi. I don't understand this phrase. So I can't translate this to my lang. I am confused by «block clocking». What is it in this case? — Ivan-r ru.Wiki Admin 04:58, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * "a block [of hassium] clocking in [(means "registers", here implying on a weighing scale)] as 40700 kg" -> "a block of hassium weighs 40700 kg".  Nixinova</b> </b> T</b> </b> C</b> </b> 06:39, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Footage of creative players one-shotting mobs
You wrote "i've seen footage of creative players one-shotting mobs" on Creative. Can you give me a link to that footage? an_awsome_person (talk) 17:15, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Several examples, here's one such video. Come to think of it the explanation could be a high strength value with particles set to off. - User-12316399 (talk) 02:38, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

MineCon Piglin image
Hello admin. I think there should be the images of the Piglins models shown in the MineCon preview in the History section of the page, just like the Hoglin page. They seem to look darker, and have the same pose as a zombie/zombie pigman. - 209.58.185.231 02:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


 * What admin are you referring to? - User-12316399 (talk) 02:34, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Umm... you? - 209.58.185.231 02:38, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Just checked, I don't appear to have been granted admin privileges at all recently.
 * That aside though, well spotted on the piglin differences; I'll upload an image of the old versions and request that it be rendered. - User-12316399 (talk) 02:41, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks. - 209.58.185.231 02:47, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Template:Dul
What does "dul" stands for? JivanZa (talk) 01:40, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Please stop reverting edits to the sound table in tropical fish and others
I have consulted User:FVbico and that is the correct way to use the sound table. Your edits introduced cite errors to that page and many others. If you have a different opinion on how that template should be filled, please communicate directly with User:FVbico before reverting the edits. Thank you in advance.

I will revert the changes in fish-related pages now. I don't want to start an edit war. --218.254.154.6 06:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Quote deletion without edit summary
I'm not invested in keeping the heading quotes, so don't get the wrong idea about that. Buf if you're deleting information that isn't obviously objectionable and conforms to the guidelines, you owe it to other editors to provide an edit summary that explains why. In this case, it should have given a link to the decision that authorized deleting these quotes, assuming there is one (I certainly haven't heard anything about it). And it would have stopped both of us from wasting time double reverting. – Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 15:59, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

User-12316399
Shut up! You don't have to tell me what to do. I do whatever I want with whatever I want. J38 01 (talk) 22:57, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Uh huh.  Nixinova </b>  T </b>  C </b>  23:07, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

I SAID, S-H-U-T U-P! ! J38 01 (talk) 23:02, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Why did you lost your name
Why did you lost your name it used to be MinecraftPhotos4U 49.146.38.72 10:19, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Migration of Traincarts wiki to FTB
Recently it was decided to move the Traincarts wiki pages to the FTB Wiki. However, considering Traincarts is not truly a forge mod but a Bukkit one, it is not a good fit. After many wiki migrations it looks like the traincarts page is stuck in limbo. We've decided together with the community to move the wiki to our own domain. It can be found here: https://wiki.traincarts.net/ I don't have an FTB wiki account to talk to any admins there, and I have no idea what process was started, but can you make sure no further migrations occur? I'll make sure to edit the pages on the Minecraft wiki to redirect to our wiki. TeamBergerhealer (talk) 20:32, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You just created a wiki out of nowwhere and also, whats wrong with bukkit mod? Also, talk to User:Xbony2 for more questions (ftb wiki admin)---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 20:34, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * If you want the pages to be exported to that wiki instead, you'll need to contact an admin there to import the pages described listed at FTB:User:Nixinova/Imports.  Nixinova </b>  T </b>  C </b></b>  20:36, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * We've decided that self-hosting the pages is the better way forward. Without warning the wiki, used by lots of people all the time, was unavailable for days. it caused quite a lot of problems on our support discord. Can I take from this that without extra action, no import onto ftb will occur? Or do I need to talk with Xbony2 to officially cancel it? (Note: we've already imported it) TeamBergerhealer (talk) 21:04, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You must have PERMISSION, you can't just create a whole new wiki just for that, ftb can host it, un-import them, ftb wiki can easily host it, you just ruined it! Why create a wiki for no reason? Ftb wiki is 100% fine, delete the wiki or something like that.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 21:29, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, we like to stay in control of things, and after the wiki migrated 3 times out of control breaking existing links, we want nothing more of that nonsense. If permission is an issue, even considering I'm the plugin author and developer, I don't mind rewriting the wiki from scratch. Or just eliminate all user contributions that are not my own. If this migration policy didn't completely blank out the pages during the transition period I may have felt differently. I don't know if the ftb wiki is fine, or that in 2 years the entire wiki migrates to a different url again. Please understand this whole situation from the community's point of view. TeamBergerhealer (talk) 21:39, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You 100% need permission from an ftb admin/wiki guaridian and how does migrations break links? It breaks accounte but NOT links. The wiki (except for like 5 yrs ago) has never changed url and it seems like this wiki was hastily made (and it just haaapppened to be made 2day, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm) also, the wiki was NEVER unavailable for days (at least in the past year), yes, perhaps in a read only state but not inaccessible. ---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 21:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Would you like to discuss this further on our Traincarts discord? Link is on the Spigot page. The first migration was from the bukkit wiki to the minecraft wiki under Bukkit/Server_mods. This was then migrated to /Mods/ breaking existing links on our spigot/discord. And now the migration to ftb, which had all of our users asking about what happened to the wiki, to which we could only answer to use the history version. TeamBergerhealer (talk) 21:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That broke links on the discord???, what does that have anything to do with, let's make a recap.
 * , you made a WHOLE NEW WIKI becuase traincraft was a bukket mod, not a forge mod
 * , you said that this broke links, on what, DISCORD, not this wiki, DISCORD.
 * The wiki is very poorly designed and hastily made without permission, the main page is editable
 * ---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 22:01, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Precisely. It broke links on the main Spigot page, which is meant to document the plugin, and on our FAQ section on our official discord server. According to the license agreement of this site there is no problem in copying the content, so long we provide attribution, which we will do. If no agreement can be made to remove the Traincarts wiki from gamepedia/ftb, then a clone can exist on ftb, but we will not provide further contributions to it.
 * Looking at spigot, there are no links to this wiki it seems, and my question is, why did you create a whole new wiki instead of just waiting for it to be exproted to ftb?---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 22:16, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Let me give you my reasons:
 * For 8 days nobody could access the wiki cleanly. We were done waiting.
 * This all happened unannounced, giving our support staff a hard time
 * Nobody even knew how to import to ftb, or if it was already ongoing
 * This is not the first time this had happened, tho not as extreme
 * Personally, I did not see FTB to be a good fit for the plugin, so I didn't even know IF it was going to be imported
 * We have long had plans to set up our own wiki on traincarts.net, this even cemented that plan. Yes, we started today.
 * With your current attitude, we now know for sure this is a good decision. Good riddance. Also yes, the wiki is linked. TeamBergerhealer (talk) 22:26, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Attempting to counter these.
 * 1) What do you mean by cleanly? Enter the url and BAM.
 * 2) See above
 * 3) Nothing wrong with ftb, it's perfect, you stil haven't given you reason for not exporting to ftb and importing?, an admin can easily do that
 * 4) What first time?
 * 5) See 3rd point
 * 6) Long plans? Just put it on ftb
 * 7) What does the last one even mean?
 * 8) Last question, what's wrong with ftb, it's fine.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 23:02, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I no longer wish others to have control over the location of the wiki. Our decision is final. If continueing the wiki as-is is a problem, we will start fresh, and leave you guys to run an ftb wiki independently. TeamBergerhealer (talk) 23:06, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , tone it down a bit, no need for the aggression. It doesn't matter where the exported pages are going, just that they're being moved off this wiki, as as such it's fine to move then to an official location. The TrainCarts pages in this wiki can be changed to soft redirect to this official wiki. Mods don't need to be exported to FTB, it's just the most useful location; when an official wiki is made for the mod, then that is now the best place for it. And yes, the export to FTB can be cancelled if you want, I'll remove the export file from the importing process. Have you already exported all applicable pages from this wiki? If so then feel free to replace the wiki pages here with soft redirects to the official wiki pages.  Nixinova </b>  T </b>  C </b></b>  23:20, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my tone, just why take all the effort to export it to a fresh wiki instead of ftb?---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 23:40, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Because they chose to no longer be dependent on choices made by other people not directly involved. Do note, that the migration to FTB discussion was on the community portal, and not any mod page. Thus people only interested in the mod weren't notified. FVbico (talk) 23:42, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Would the pending move template at the top of each page not have been warning enough? - User-12316399 (talk) 23:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Almost as if you're implying literally everyone watches the main page. I don't watch Minecraft Wiki either, and I doubt many people do. 1 move template is a notification, but that was done way after the coice was made to begin with. FVbico (talk) 23:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It would be, if the move didn't take over a week to actually happen, and didn't require manual intervention to happen at all, and didn't leave readers stranded. At this point all I personally care about is that the wiki moves to a domain we control, and I want to do so legally. FTB wiki is a fine site, and I have read it plenty to learn about various mods, but I don't wish the traincarts wiki to be there for the simple fact that anybody can decide to move the page, migrate it between site, or even delete it for becoming 'off topic' in the future. A reminder that this traincarts wiki here was 'on topic' for years, until it wasn't. And yes, I believe all pages from this wiki have been imported, I'll set up some soft redirects tomorrow. TeamBergerhealer (talk) 23:54, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Why are you requesting for the images to be upscaled?
Why? 16x16 is perfectly fine and saves space.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 19:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Copper GIF Deletion
I'm planning to update the Copper aging gifs you marked for deletion with official texture renders on release and add them to its gallery page when the snapshots release and a separate article is made. SuperCofee (talk) 06:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Why do that though? Cycling gifs have been deprecated for a while now and it makes much more sense to just use animate instead. - User-12316399 (talk) 10:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, alright then. SuperCofee (talk) 16:18, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

What should be in BlockSprite, LegacyBlockSprite and HistoricalBlockSprite?
I'm planning on completely reordering the sprite sheet for BlockSprite to remove legacy block sprites and reduce file size, but I don't know where certain sprites should go. – Unavailablehoax (talk) 17:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * LegacyBS was meant to be a programmer art spritesheet while HistoricalBS has each revision of each texture, but now he's blocked from file editing so that won't happen for a bit.  Nixinova </b>  T </b> <b style="border:1px solid #0af"> C </b></b>  20:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Some stuff for research.
The file File:Brokenlever.png demonstrates an unknown lever model. Deshman-gpuser (talk) 11:16, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I've actually been researching this over the past few days and already have pictures of all 16 data values of the lever from beta. Not sure how I'd be able to upload these though. - User-12316399 (talk) 18:26, 21 November 2020 (UTC)