Talk:Survival (disambiguation)

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I'm moving Survival (Game mode) to Survival as it couldn't mean anything else. I don't have any move powers but I'll just do it manually. Admins delete these pages (Survival (disambiguation) and Survival (Game mode)) later, okay? --Scykei 20:41, 20 November 2010 (CST)

Is Disambiguation Needed?
I don't think anyone who is finding about Survival would be interested in Indev, Infdev, etc. They might only be interested in the game mode. Besides, in the Survival page itself holds links to those pages. --Scykei 14:19, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * you'd be surprised. but there are several versions of "survival"--Kizzycocoa 14:22, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There is one, and only one survival. It's the same thing as making a "RPG Game Type" article and getting redirected to a list of RPG games, instead of explaining what a RPG game is. All the other links to "Survival" are merely games that has this game mode. --Scykei 08:29, 21 November 2010 (CST)
 * wrong. there is survival test, SMP, SSP and the indevs have all been called survival at one point or another, not to mention the game mode page.--Kizzycocoa 14:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I still think with contemporary usage, there should only be two, but I understand the relevance of the others given the context. Reduce the list to the two 'types' of survivor, and add Template:Minecraft at the bottom? simpler, easier? 14:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * They were called survival? because on the top left corner of the screen, it clearly says Indev, Infdev or Alpha. It never says Survival. But anyway, you gave me the idea to move SMP from the Alpha article here. :P I'll do it the next morning. Am sleepy. :D --Scykei 08:52, 21 November 2010 (CST)
 * no-one is going to move/delete this page. survival can mean more than one thing, and someone searching for survival could be looking for SMP, SSP, alpha, survival test and survival (Game Mode). this page needs to exist.--Kizzycocoa 15:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay... so you might not agree but I strongly believe that this disambiguation is unnecessary. Like I said, Survival Test, Indev, Infdev and Alpha are only versions of the game that supports the actual Survival gameplay. As for SSP and SMP, I've updated the article to include both of them, as SMP has more relevance in the actual game mode article than the Alpha article, which is only the version that introduces it.

It makes no sense for people who are searching for the term "Survival" have any interest in Indev, etc, and telling them that Survival means Alpha is very misleading. Don't know if it works, but I'd like to hear someone else's opinion on this. Anyone? --Scykei 00:38, 22 November 2010 (CST)
 * feel free to delete indev/infdev. but alpha is commonly referred to "survival". SMP and SSP is also referred to that, and the game mode is referred to by survival as well.--Kizzycocoa 03:08, 22 November 2010 (CST)
 * I agree with this. You can remove indev/infdev but the rest have connotations towards survival gameplay. Seriously, adding Template:Minecraft will quell all your problems.... 03:20, 22 November 2010 (CST)
 * @Kizzycocoa, you're making it as though there are many items there. The truth is, there in that long list is only the game mode, and Alpha, according to you. Survival Singleplayer and Survival Multiplayer is exactly what the game mode is, just in singleplayer or multiplayer variations. And Alpha is not, and is never called Survival. --Scykei 03:27, 22 November 2010 (CST)
 * I assume that is why you have a problem with this. think like this. someone with lesser knowledge than you wants to see the old survival test. they search "survival". now, thanks to you, they're redirected to the game-mode page, and spend a few more minutes in confusion.
 * now, my way. they search survival, and they are presented with a variety of information, and can pick which to expand on. they choose the test version. no confusion or redirection is had at all.


 * which way is better?--Kizzycocoa 09:45, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see what's the problem with having to go straight to the game mode. It has all the information about survival straight away. I've also put some links to show how the game mode has evolved. --Scykei 04:00, 22 November 2010 (CST)
 * the issue is that it has several meanings. hell, I've forgotten to do the diamond disambiguation and that stuff. these pages help direct the user straight away. now, we have a few choices. we link to the game mode, and they have to trawl through it knee-deep in description of the gamemode to find links. or, we have this page that is minimalistic in explanation, and helps direct users accordingly.--Kizzycocoa 04:21, 22 November 2010 (CST)
 * No, the problem is, it does not have several meanings! Alpha is not called Survival. D: Nor is any other versions in the development cycle. --Scykei 04:24, 22 November 2010 (CST)
 * oh, really? huh.
 * I distinctly remember SURVIVAL TEST being called survival. funny, huh? I must be absolutely wrong, mustn't I?--Kizzycocoa 10:32, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not. It's just a test. When Alpha was created, Classic was named. So Survival Test falls under Classic. Besides, that is a test of the survival mode, which is what the article should tell about: what this survival actually is, what it was should be secondary information, which is what the History section is for. --Scykei 04:38, 22 November 2010 (CST)
 * Survival test is STILL CALLED SURVIVAL, and is STILL part of the development cycle. if it falls under classic or not is irrelevant. it is called survival test, it is known NOT as classic BUT as survival test, and NO-ONE has referred to it long-term as classic. anyone searching for survival test typing survival in will not look for the game mode, just like someone looking for the game mode will not want to be redirected to survival test. that alone requires a disambiguation page, not to mention SSP and SMP abbreviations that should also be here.
 * you cannot justify removing survival test from this page. and that ensures the page will stay as-is, regardless of the others listed. so lets stop attempting to make the wiki worse, and start trying to figure out what does and doesn't deserve to be on here.--Kizzycocoa 05:09, 22 November 2010 (CST)
 * I seriously don't like to keep on arguing but I don't see your point. Survival Test, if you interpret it correctly, literary means "a test of the 'survival game mode'", which falls into the history section of the Survival (Game Mode) page. And that all is already in that page. We need to give people the most up-do-date information. Why is this Wiki so quiet? Doesn't anyone else have any opinion on this --Scykei 12:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)?
 * I'm ever-hanging about, but was avoiding popping my head into the argument. Survival test should stay as an entry to this page. As Kizzy- I support the removal of Indev and Infdev from this list but nothing else. 12:35, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed, and I don't blame you. these sorts of arguments are never nice.--Kizzycocoa 12:59, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

You know, we could use a simplified version of this template. Users searching for "Survival" would go to the "Survival (Game Mode)" page and there will be a small link above the page saying "This article is about the game mode; for the earlier test version of survival, see Survival Test"? I don't think this is necessary but if it satisfies you... --Scykei 13:25, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * and if they want SMP? :/ it's easier and cleaner to have this page.--Kizzycocoa 13:32, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * But I've already written SMP into the page. Go look at it. It's not a copy and paste. I rewrote most of it from the Alpha article. --Scykei 13:36, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * but that's besides the point. they're instantly greeting with information on the game mode. with this page, it shows very little info. this helps with both memory and how clean it looks. to add alpha, SMP, SSP and survival test as that "this may refer to" is pointless, won't look good and will be impractical.--Kizzycocoa 07:43, 22 November 2010 (CST)
 * No, you don't get it. SSP and SMP are the same thing, and is already in the article. Alpha is irrelevant. As for Survival Test, you might have a point as newbs might get confused between the two. D: --Scykei 07:48, 22 November 2010 (CST)
 * no, YOU don't get it. each of these could be called survival, including in(f)dev. even if they were removed, the rest could all be named survival. this page is a redirect due to the fact there is more than one survival mode. consistantly, the only point you've made is "but isn't that survival (game mode)?


 * well, yes. they are. but the other meanings hold significance. I daresay MORE significance than the game-mode.


 * I have made multiple points and reasons for this page to stay. memory, minimalistic easy-to-understand layout, the fact there is more than one survival etc. etc.


 * quite frankly, I'm getting tired of arguing about what obviously should happen to this page. it's pretty much all against one on this, unless other unspoken users haven't come in. and there is a reason for that. this page helps the layout of the wiki, and helps users.--Kizzycocoa 07:55, 22 November 2010 (CST)


 * I still don't agree but fine whatever. But oh not again. You've re-added Survival Test to the Dev Cycle timeline. Too bad I'm going to sleep right now. It's late. Be ready for the next argument tomorrow D: --Scykei 08:03, 22 November 2010 (CST)
 * ARGH. ok, I'm going to talk to quatro about this. this is just RIDICULOUS.--Kizzycocoa 08:22, 22 November 2010 (CST)

No more arguments, Kizzycocoa is right with a few exceptions, SMP and SSP are both pretty much the same - but they still are Survival, just like Alpha is often called, idem ditto for Indev and Infdev. There's Classic, Survival, and there's that Rogue-like mode thats supposed to come out once Notch is done with Survival. The disambiguation page has the right to remain here and there's not going to be any changes.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 13:08, 22 November 2010 (CST)