Talk:Java Edition pre-Classic

why is rd-132211 not here?
rd-132211 is a pre-classic, is it not? TheAwesome98 (signed out) 13:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

New Pre-Classic Version
So just recently, I saw a new version in the 1.6.6.1 version of the launcher called rd-20090515 which obviously means May 15th, 2009. Any person please edit the version history to include the version if you can. --Ktoby (talk) 21:54, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Question
I'm actually wondering why Pre classic only lasted six days. My guess is that Notch decided to have Pre Classic last six days. Or maybe he just didn't have time--69.242.110.19 19:34, 18 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Why was there only 2 blocks in rd-132211(Stone and Grass)?--JaxonMC (talk) 02:04, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * cause that was a test, it wasn't a full version Notch was gonna release TheAwesome98 (signed out) 13:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Answer To Above
The reason the development phase only lasted six days, is because that is how long it took for the game to be made good enough to be released to the public. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.195.246.29 (talk) at 09:33, 7 September 2013 (UTC). Please sign your posts with

Ahhh thanks I have been wondering why--69.242.110.19 20:53, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Rename from Pre-Classic to Cave Game?
Do you guys like the idea of renaming the Pre-Classic pages to "Cave Game" since that's what Notch originally called it? Screenbones (talk) 01:18, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it should be called "Cave Game" Because it only has 2 blocks(Stone and Grass) and is a very old version--JaxonMC (talk) 02:08, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * There was actually 6 blocks (Cobblestone, Grass, Dirt, Stone, Wood Planks, and Saplings), not 2. 50.141.212.168 13:13, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * There was 2 blocks in the 2 oldest versions, and then they released 4 more blocks after that. --Alexster24 (talk) 13:08, 27 April 2016 (UTC)Alexster24


 * I don't think it should be called "Cave Game" because the game was given an official name (Minecraft: Order of the Stone) before it was replaced by Classic 50.141.212.168 21:30, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I also agree this should remain "Pre-classic". It refers to more than simply the cave game era —KnightMiner  (t 16:11, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

The usage of, origins of, and distinctions between the terms "Pre-classic" and "Classic"
&#35;1: This sentence from the Pre-classic rd-132211 page seems a little "off" to me: "rd-132211 is a version of Pre-classic released on May 13, 2009".

I don't mind the term "pre-classic" as a versioning name, for example in page names or in table headers. But when talking about it in prose, using it as a proper noun, it makes it sound like "Pre-classic" was a thing at the time.

So it seems like, when we say "it was a version of Infdev", that makes sense. Infdev was what it was called in those days. But when we say "it was a version of Classic" ... it was never called Classic or Pre-classic until years later, so using it as if it were a proper noun like Infdev or Alpha or Beta sounds funny.

Why not just use it as a non-proper adjective, like, "rd-132211 is a pre-classic version released on May 13, 2009"? What do people think?

&#35;2: It led me to think also, where did we first start using the terms "Pre-classic" and "Classic"? Obviously after the time period, right, but when?

&#35;3: And what was the rationale saying, this part is classic, and this part is pre-classic?

– Sealbudsman talk | contribs 22:15, 11 May 2018 (UTC)


 * When I wrote the pre-classic pages I didn't know whether to make it a proper noun or not so feel free to make the P lowercase. Also the page Classic was created on July 8, 2010, so sometime before Alpha is when "the classic version" started being used. – Nixinova Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Diamond_Pickaxe.png Grid_Map.png 03:17, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * If you want a more descriptive way of saying, all pre-classic versions are betas and test of Classic 0.0.9a. The video "Cave game tech test" shows that this version is just a test. There is even an official way of saying. If you look at the Bedrock Edition game files, there is a trivia sentence "The first version of Minecraft is created in seven days." So "pre-classic" was never an official name. It was a phrase to distinguish it from classic. That is also why we previously use "Pre 0.0.9a", but it was removed for whatever reason. Skylord wars (talk) 04:03, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Well the first version of the pre-classic article said "Pre-classic is the name given to versions released before Classic" so it didn't have a name back then; also, the pre-classic page was created 3 years later than the other versions (March 29, 2013). – Nixinova Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Diamond_Pickaxe.png Grid_Map.png 19:48, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't know about "pre-Classic", but "Classic" dates to at least July 2010, not "years later". 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:29, 12 May 2018 (UTC)


 * The first internet archive of the wiki (21/06/2009) called the classic and indev periods "pre-release alpha". – Nixinova Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Diamond_Pickaxe.png Grid_Map.png 22:00, 18 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Classic was actually called "Minecraft (Alpha)". This is used on the tigsource forum and minecraft.net. The term Classic was used when Alpha as released. Classic versions have a at the back, such as 0.0.11a. I believe it means alpha. You can actually call "pre-Classic" eras as "RubyDung era" or "Cave Game era" though they are considered to be Minecraft. We might need an official name soon. "Pre-classic" is only used on the wiki. Skylord wars (talk) 05:19, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Should this page be moved to "Java Edition pre-Classic" and all rd-versions of it as well? eg "Java Edition pre-Classic rd-20090515" – Nixinova   20:07, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Since we appear to mean "things that came before Classic" in a more general sense, rather than something specifically named "Pre-Classic", I'd capitalize it as "pre-Classic" and therefore support the moves Nixinova proposes. &#8212; Memetics  talk &#124; edits 07:47, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * . The old capitalisation may have been fine when the Java prefix wasn't there but now it's too obvious that the "Pre-classic" bit is trying to be an official title. – Nixinova Nixinova sig1.png Nixinova sig2.png 20:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Now that versions such as mc-161607 have been documented, the line between "Classic" and "pre-Classic" become blurrier. The mc-s were released privately; does this make them "Classic" versions"? What about versions before 0.0.11a which were still not released to the public. All we're going off here is the version number. – Nixinova   03:35, 25 May 2019 (UTC)