Minecraft Wiki talk:Projects/Rewrite for Style

Rewriting structures
Some pages about generated structures also don't follow the style guide, so I think that a structure section can be useful. Use Comment for opinions. -- Naista2002  ♦   17:29, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It should follow the steps:
 * Create a category for generated structures overall.
 * Create a category for rewritten pages about generated structures.
 * Create guidelines for rewriting structure pages.
 * Rewrite the pages.
 * -- Naista2002  ♦ Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Iron Pickaxe.png 17:33, 8 October 2014 (UTC)


 * We should start by discussing general rules on the style guide, as adding guidelines here does nothing as to making it official. After we have a few guidelines in place for those, we can add the categories and subpage for generated structures. —KnightMiner  (talk) 03:34, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Some guidelines for rewriting structure pages are developed and awaiting approval. The Category:Structures category has first items in it. The draft for the project's page is here. -- Naista2002  ♦ Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Iron Pickaxe.png 09:04, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Leaves rewrite
How can I get rid of the Appearance section of the leaves page? (in other words where should I put that information?) Or is simply leaving the Appearance section there ok? –Goandgoo ᐸ Talk Contribs Edits 21:29, 11 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I would move it under "Usage" The first fact is relevant to its usage as color, and the second and third describe its usage as a transparent block. –KnightMiner  (talk) 22:51, 11 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Yep. Doesn't even need a subheading, just one paragraph for color (relevant to builds) and another for light interaction. &mdash;munin &middot; Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Stone_Pickaxe.png &middot; 22:55, 11 October 2014 (UTC)


 * . I'll add it to the actual style guide. -- Naista2002  ♦ Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Iron Pickaxe.png 07:02, 12 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Please do not add anything to the style guide until consensus on the subject has been reached on the style guide talk page first. I don't even know what exactly you're proposing to add.


 * The purpose of this project is to rewrite articles. Making changes to the style guide is a related but separate issue and should only be done after discussion on the style guide talk page, so that people interested in the subject have a chance to notice the discussion and respond (and people in the future know where the discussion occurred). &mdash;munin &middot; Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Stone_Pickaxe.png &middot; 08:06, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Bot in project
My bot, J.A.R.V.I.S., is replacing interwiki Twitter links with Tweet template. Is it allowed to add a bot to the project's team? -- Naista2002  ♦   06:34, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * ? -- Naista2002  ♦ Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Iron Pickaxe.png 08:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Soon I may no longer wait., ? -- Naista2002  ♦ Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Iron Pickaxe.png 10:00, 23 October 2014 (UTC)


 * He could join the team I guess, if he wants to. On a more serious note, I don't see anything wrong with his joining, as he likely would have been helping out anyways. Just to make sure he is marked as a bot in the list (which he is). –KnightMiner  (talk) 15:22, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! For referencing a bot, use 'it' and 'its', not 'he', 'his' and 'him'. Also, for interest, the bot's name is an acronym. -- Naista2002  ♦ Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Iron Pickaxe.png 15:45, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Tutorials

 * Sorry for my decreased activity. I became more active in Russian wiki.

The most "dirty" pages are tutorials. They are written by various users, and not much of them read the style guide, and thus there we have a mess. If stacked vertically, the amount of such bad-styled content would nearly beat original 7 WTC building in height.

We need a complete cleanup of these pages. I did some there. It might not be part of this project, but then it is still a related rewrite. There's no specific guidelines like with other sub-projects, as contents vary from tutorial to tutorial.

Any suggestions?

--Naista2002 |   17:42, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You're right, tutorial pages are messy and they don't follow the style guide. Laura Fidalgo  (Talk / Contribs)  17:52, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The main problem is making a guide for tutorials. Much of the earlier sections of the style guide can be followed, other than leaving out tutorials, but after that, we really cannot make a set pattern for tutorials well, as each tutorial requires different things. That might be worth a separate project, due to how diverse the tutorials are, of maybe a fifth sub-project once the rest are finished.
 * We also would need guidelines as to what should be a tutorial, what is to broad for a tutorial, and what is too narrow, as a few tutorials could merge just fine, and Tutorials/Combat could really use a split. –KnightMiner  (talk) 00:14, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. It looks like it is worth of a separate project, or an autonomous division of this project (such as Minecraft Wiki:Projects/Rewrite for Style: Tutorials).
 * I also agree about merging/splitting. Example: Tutorials/Defeating temples and Tutorials/Defeating an ocean monument (and a few others?) would go to Tutorials/Structures guide or something like that.
 * --Naista2002 | Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Diamond Pickaxe.png 18:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Now more about length: Tutorials/Traps is 18th longest page, at 142,327 bytes. PvP, TntD, mining and combat tutorials are 22th, 30th, 37th and 39th longest, respectively, at 127,243, 110,306, 98,151 and 94,368 bytes.
 * Suggestions:
 * Traps
 * Basic traps
 * Greed traps
 * Explosive traps
 * Semi-advanced traps
 * Pocket Edition traps
 * Trap disarming
 * Trap design
 * PvP
 * PvP preparations
 * PvP tactics
 * PvP (itself)
 * --Naista2002 | Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Diamond Pickaxe.png 18:32, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * As for PvP, it would lose over half of the article if we dump the PvP classes, no one really needs them as classes are different for every server, and a server planning classes would not likely come here, as the classes section is a mess. I think the only reason we have them is because many anons love making a class system, without taking into account that the class is mostly useless, impossible to actually create, or imbalanced. Beyond that, PvP would be a much shorter article, listing basics to combat, combat with various weapons, and tactics.
 * Traps would do well to split, based on version, then survival/creative accessibility (creative/command only traps can be separate), and then player/mob traps, and finally type of trap. Type may do best divided based on how damaging the trap is (whether the trap destroys the player's stuff, whether the trap damages the terrain). Most categories of traps can be subpages of Tutorials/Traps, with the main page linking you to designs and explaining general design, and maybe disarming.
 * Although, for most tutorials with major rewrites, it may be best to discuss it on the tutorial's talk page first, some people will see that, but not this page. –KnightMiner  (talk) 18:53, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks good. --Naista2002 | Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Diamond Pickaxe.png 06:15, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * rewrite of Tutorials/Traps started by . I warned him. We should first discuss, not act. --Naista2002 | Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Diamond Pickaxe.png 13:35, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


 * You can start a rewrite of any page without permission in your userspace, implementing the rewrite into the page is what requires discussion, and if your rewrite has disproved content, that may need to be changed before it can be implemented. –KnightMiner  (talk) 14:56, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Rewriting articles, in your own namespace or even directly in the article, is not against the rules -- it is the core function of how wikis improve. No discussion is required before rewriting an article, though it can be helpful to avoid future edit wars. Even if someone had gone ahead and rewritten an article that was being discussed elsewhere -- so what? That wouldn't harm anything. The discussion could continue, and possibly incorporate some of the new rewrite into the discussion or into the future rewrite.
 * Being a member of a project give us no special authority over any pages. We are not admins (except for those of us who are) and we don't order other people around. At most we can try to be helpful by letting other people know that a project or discussion is occuring that they might want to participate in.
 * This page is for talking about the Rewrite for Style project. A discussion about developing/improving a style guide for tutorials should occur on the style guide talk page, and a discussion about improving a specific tutorial should occur on that tutorial's talk page. &mdash;munin &middot; Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Stone_Pickaxe.png &middot; 17:50, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Project is a potential permanent work in progress
Minecraft evolves. Not everyone follows the style guide when writing pages about new content. The game is still a work in progress. So does this wiki, and many others, and so does this project.

I think that there's no reason to have "Have a bot remove the categories..." in the to-do list.

--Naista2002 &#124;   08:03, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * My original plan was when all pages have been rewritten, it would be finished, and then new pages could be brought to the same standard upon creation, as there will always be someone active on the wiki that follows the style guide. This project was mainly because few pages followed the guide, so to implement the guide across all pages.
 * Making this a permanent ongoing project would help as to marking pages which need rewriting, and to keep track of pages requiring adjustment, but users should already be checking new pages to make them fit the style guide, and as the style guide will be followed on most pages, users will notice that it is actually followed versus just stated. Also, if a user's edit are frequently reverted or adjusted, a mention on their talk page pointed to the style guide would help.
 * Pages that eventually become messed up could be cleaned up again or marked with cleanup, to be added to the list of Category:Cleanup. To keep it orderly, it may be best to force translation projects to use a separate cleanup category.
 * –KnightMiner  (talk) 17:15, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * So you're generally neutral on this point.
 * --<font face=courier color=brown>Naista2002 &#124; Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Diamond Pickaxe.png 17:23, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Mostly, yes. If there is reason to continue the project, I would help maintain that, otherwise we already have provisions to reduce the need. I am leaning a little more towards using those provisions, as having both the project and cleanup would be slightly redundant (although after completion I could incorporate a list generated using cleanup). –<font color=#000>KnightMiner  (talk) 15:26, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * This project might be expanded to eventually take care of tutorials, version, environment and gameplay pages, if not more, so it is farther than you might think.
 * After everything is fresh and clean, we may make a group of "style patrollers" who check pages and, and do necessary changes. --<font face=courier color=brown>Naista2002 &#124; Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Diamond Pickaxe.png 15:47, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Version pages are rather new, so little cleanup is required other than random "This should be a change, not an addition" and adopting a few templates where correct. They also mostly lack a style guide (I did propose one though). The rest of the types are a little inconsistent, but some standards could be adopted. We would really want to finish the current four first though, as #DPL has a four category limit set (used for the total progress bar), and it helps to avoid the problem of too much to do preventing any from finishing.
 * Maybe, although most likely as an unofficial group, we don't want newer people to feel certain people are in charge of all style guide changes because of a usergroup. The only use of a group rights wise would be to give them patrol for new pages and a right to edit the style guide should we need to protect it. –<font color=#000>KnightMiner  (talk) 02:03, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * We don't really need a separate set of user rights. We may have a special section to list patrollers' signatures, like with current Members section. --<font face=courier color=brown>Naista2002 &#124; Grid Book and Quill.png Grid Diamond Pickaxe.png 12:29, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Next phase of rewriting
The Blocks sub-project is now complete, with the Items sub-project basically complete as well (the hub pages don't really count). A bot can now remove the categories from those pages. We can now also discuss the rewriting of Environment and Gameplay pages. While it may be difficult to come to a uniform page layout, we can always simply set up sub-projects and enforce general guidelines (e.g. ensuring that the intro is not too long, removing historical and duplicate information etc). Also, in regards to the Tutorials topic above, we can discuss rewriting those as well. –Goandgoo</b> ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 01:14, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the hub articles are not too bad, and techincally do not fit as the same type as the rest. I archived the items and blocks projects, and will send my bot to remove the categories tomorrow (as I should really go to bed right now...)
 * Anyways, the tutorials project already exists under the name Tutorials Modernization (which makes sense as updating tutorials attracts a different crowd then conforming articles), but I would agree to adding environment and gameplay, though I would like to look into a few guidelines specific to those types. – KnightMiner  · (t) 03:23, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That project merely exists only to update tutorials to modern versions of Minecraft. &mdash; Agent NickTheRed37 (talk) 07:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * . –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 13:04, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Reviving this topic as we only have one category left, I think it's now time for us to make guidelines for environment and gameplay pages. –Goandgoo</b> ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 23:06, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Does anyone have any ideas for the structuring of the environment and gameplay pages? From what I've seen, all the pages are simply so diverse so we may need to resort to general rewriting (e.g. moving content into sections, out of trivia, out of the header etc). –Goandgoo</b> ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 01:45, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I really see no real pattern of content with gameplay, but there is a bit of pattern with environment pages that relate to generation which we could use, though it would basically just be repeating the structures stuff (and since structures are also environment, it would be a good idea to merge those two projects). – KnightMiner  · (t) 03:23, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * While many pages could have the similar heading of generation, for some pages the generation page might not work, such as the moon or day-night cycle. –Goandgoo</b> ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 04:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I've added two new sub-projects for gameplay and environment pages. I've added the pages already rewritten under the structures sub-project to the environment sub-project. –Goandgoo</b> ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 06:05, 5 November 2015 (UTC)