Talk:Hay Bale

Contested deletion
I disagree with the accusation that this is speculation.

First, you are correct. The Mojam games have nothing to do with Minecraft, but none of the games are even close to Minecraft's graphics. That screenshot is completely out of place, and obviously taken in Minecraft.

Second, a bread crumb placed either purposefully or accidentally by a Mojang employee, regardless of whether or not it was located in Minecraft-related areas, is nowhere near speculation. This is one of two things: they kept hay bales secret up to this point and making us stew with this "test" picture, or it is another red herring like skis were. Either way, this article should stay until confirmation of either intent is received. If it turned out to be a red herring, then we'll just put this in Unimplemented features, possibly under joke features because of the increasing exposure of the Reddit thread.

I would also like to point out what Mojang's blog said about "Nuke the Dinosaurs", which is the game this screenshot was found in: "Nuke the Dinosaurs Blueprint Prototype. This surprise title is still getting worked on by Junkboy, Aron, Jon [Kagstrom], and Steven (he’s from Surasshu Sound), but they’ve decided to release the blueprint prototype early." "Surprise title", as well as three Mojang employees. In fact, on Surasshu Sound's blog, this fourth team was "super secret". There were initially supposed to be only three Mojam teams. 22:10, 24 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Fair enough; the people on Reddit didn't explain this nearly as clearly. "I found a new block hidden in one of the Mojam2 files" doesn't say that there was a screenshot of Minecraft, containing a previously-unseen texture, hidden in an unrelated game. -- Orthotope 22:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Here's the imgur album from the main Reddit post link: http://imgur.com/a/Cun3F. The picture Itouchmasterpro uploaded and put in the gallery is the last one.  22:28, 24 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Why? The block is confirmed in MC 2.0 --Minecraft5025 (Mclogo.svgGrass Block.png) (Talk! Contributions!) 15:23, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Never mind, April Fools joke comfirmed. --Minecraft5025 (Mclogo.svgGrass Block.png) (Talk! Contributions!) 21:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Wrong name
It should be called Straw Bale. (Difference) -- LulMyNameIsPing 17:34, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Extrapolating from there, assuming that it is indeed straw and not hay, this suggests that the Straw Bale block is related to Wheat. If it were hay, it would be related to... Tall Grass, maybe? Metonymia 16:56, 27 March 2013 (GMT+1)


 * Mojang announced "Hay Bale" --Minecraft5025 (Mclogo.svgGrass Block.png) (Talk! Contributions!) 15:23, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

In Java, as of 1.16.3, the item is called Straw Bale, whereas in Bedrock it's called Hay Bale...--Highlanderwolf (talk) 19:19, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Horses
This makes sense with the upcoming addition of horses.

They could feed from these to say, regen health or gain a boost or something. -- Fishrock123  (Talk)(c) 21:58, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Beginning sentence
That beginning sentence doesn't sound right. "Hay bales are blocks." :( -- Numbermaniac  - T  - C 11:04, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

True dat

Mavik 11:29, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Title Change
The page title should be changed to "Hay Bale" (with an uppercase "B" in bale) in order to match with the other page titles. Busboy79 01:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


 * No, we'll wait for the ingame name, unless someone can code dive and find it hidden somewhere. Page names match ingame names, including capitalization. If the next snapshot brings the tooltip out and it's "Hay bale", then the page stays as "Hay bale".  00:52, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Horses only?
Do hay bales only feed horses? If wheat feeds cows and sheep why wouldn't a hay bale made from wheat feed them as well?


 * Sheep only eat grass, cows don't eat anything. To my knowlage. So yes, it does feed only horses and donkeys. -Creepergoboom64 19:30, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Hay bales are flammable, right?
I put lava on hay bales and they didn't burn, yet it says that they are flammable. Something wrong?

Hay Bales making my mobs reproduce?
I have noticed on 1.7.4 that since I added a few hay bales to my cow pen, my cows have been multiplying spontaneously. I haven't seen them go into love mode or any new calves, but I haven't been watching closely either. I just keep noticing extra cows when I count them. Is anyone else noticing this besides me? Are the hay bales causing it? Thelink225 (talk) 12:57, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I have had excessive cows in my savanna biome, and I don't think I started with that many. No hay bales though. --KnightMiner (talk 14:53, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Hay bale does not reduce fall damage, but fall distance.
 This is just a guess . According to Bedrock reverse engineer and the maintainer of server software PocketMine-MP, Dylan:


 * The conversation can be found on the PocketMine-MP Community Discord #general text channel.*
 * All timestamps in the conversation are UTC+8.*

[05:10] 𝘥𝘺𝘭𝘢𝘯#2328: if i fall 25 blocks onto a hay bale it deals me 1 heart of damage

[05:10] 𝘥𝘺𝘭𝘢𝘯#2328: 25 blocks fall onto any other block kills you

[05:10] 𝘥𝘺𝘭𝘢𝘯#2328: 80% reduction should take away at least 2 heart

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[05:13] 𝘥𝘺𝘭𝘢𝘯#2328: i'm gonna look in IDA

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[05:20] 𝘥𝘺𝘭𝘢𝘯#2328: ok it seems like this is some weird behaviour with the fall damage mechanics

[05:20] 𝘥𝘺𝘭𝘢𝘯#2328: i guess because it's not actually reducing the fall damage by 80%

[05:20] 𝘥𝘺𝘭𝘢𝘯#2328: it's reducing the fall distance by 80%

[05:20] 𝘥𝘺𝘭𝘢𝘯#2328: so if i fell 25 blocks, it behaves as if i fell 5 blocks

[05:20] 𝘥𝘺𝘭𝘢𝘯#2328: 5 blocks only deals 1 heart damage due to the 3 block limit


 * As you say, this is apparently just a guess by someone off-wiki. There are many problems with turning this into an edit of the article:
 * It is not from an authoritative source.
 * There's no indication of how the test was performed, hence it's not reproducible and is just anecdotal.
 * There's no indication of what version and edition of Minecraft the test was performed on.
 * There's no indication that multiple tests were performed at various heights, so the conclusion isn't supportable. There might be other ways of calculating the same result than reducing the fall distance used in the calculation. The amount of damage might be constant, for example.
 * The statement "it reduces the fall distance by 80%" is misleading, as it only makes sense when you understand that fall distance refers to a parameter in a calculation. To an ordinary reader it sounds like you're saying distance in the world itself changes, which is nonsensical. I can see adding information about the calculation once it's been well studied and is understood, but it definitely shouldn't be presented in the article the way you've phrased this topic's title.
 * Summary: You may have learned of something worth documenting, but it needs somebody on-wiki to test it fully and ensure we're not putting guesswork in the article. Until then, it would be appropriate to remove any false specifics about the algorithm from the article without replacing it with anything, since all we have so far is guesswork. (BTW: What good are timestamps without a date?) — Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 23:54, 22 January 2022 (UTC)