Talk:Redstone Comparator

Uses
Zigzagar 20:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC) Let's think of some good uses and looks for this right below:
 * Weight-dependant minecart intersections would be cool. Servers could have a sign that says "for rail 1 take 1 stack of cobble" and so on. It could use the signal strength dependant on weight and the capacitors will use only the ones they detect to switch a curved rail. Funky3000 21:33, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Another possible use for the capacitor block would be to create an actual capacitor, where the capacitor can be used in a comparator to compare the input current with the internal charge of the capacitor, allowing for more true technologies to be implemented. Additionally, again using a storage medium for current (e.g, a ring of repeaters connected by opaque blocks.), better counters could be constructed, where a single input will simply charge the apparatus, while a second input would cause overflow, and the output would carry to the next unit. I had an idea where similar structures could even be used to create complex RSNNs (Resonant Spiking Neural Networks). 11:14, 15 December 2012

Block Name
At this stage the name is not really official, but I'm curious why they are calling the block a Capacitor when its real world equivalent is clearly a Comparator (real world Caps are energy storage devices, not energy comparing devices) Antiroot 20:06, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

->EDIT: The real world equivalent is actually an Avalanche diode. 11:06 15 December 2012 (EST)

Really any diode is capable of only outputting a high value if it's breakdown voltage (reverse biased) or forward voltage drop (an ideal/perfect diode) is exceeded, however since this "capacitor" block would have a configurable threshold (which typical diodes do not) a comparator is still a close equivalent, the only thing that does not match a real world comparator is that it seems the threshold is not dependent on a second input signal. So in a sense it would act similar to a configurable avalanche or zener, but since repeaters are commonly known as diodes (in a one direction current flow sense) having two blocks colloquially known as diodes would be misleading. Not intending to disagree/argue, just fueling the discussion machine

Edit: Dinnerbone's latest post of a Comparator does in fact expect two inputs (similar to a real world comparator's + - pins) and it has two modes, an open-loop and a mode similar to an op amp's negative feedback mode (although it's not exactly the same) Antiroot 19:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The Capacitor IS the Comparator https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/284388625595125760 Too bad Trigger hurt already made a page at Comparator, or I would move this.  20:21, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Moved. -- Orthotope 20:59, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Redirect
This page is redirected from Capacitor, but Capacitor is used in the box at the bottom. Pokechu22 02:21, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not too concerned about this; we'll get all the links sorted out once we know the official name of the block. I think it's unlikely to be 'Capacitor Block', so any links changed to point directly here would have to be changed again later. -- Orthotope 10:12, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not official name it's completely different block. Check this wikipedia:Comparator and this wikipedia:Capacitor.--Darkhammer 03:27, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * As of today, 'Comparator' is the official name of the 'Capacitor' mentioned at MineCon, regardless of their real world counterparts.  03:34, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Name problem, yet again
According to what I know, this seemed more Zener diode than capacitor.

Zener diodes are special diodes designed to work reversed. They will "regulate" the voltage between the ends of the device to its breakdown voltage, if possible. Usually, one end of the diode is grounded and the other is used to obtain a steady reference voltage. This property of Zener diodes are widely used as a voltage reference in a lot of real-life electronics, mainly power regulators and adapters (Maybe you can find one in the power adapter for your computer, either standalone or built into a power regulator chip like 7805.)

Given that in Minecraft, the circuitry all automatically get grounded to a common place, the behavior of "capacitor" essentially reminds of a way to connect a Zener diode to a circuit.

180.160.173.240 11:25, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Available Information
There are a few things we could figure out regarding the thing. We know how it looks, yet there's no picture of it. It's also a good guess doesn't have physics,(it's an "attached" block, they generally don't) is transparent,(it must be, it's non-full) has a a low luminance when it's active,(it's redstone) has a 0 blast resistance,(also since it's an "attached" block) does not require a tool to break,(it's redstone) isn't renewable,(it's still redstone) and can be stacked.(no reason why not) I'm not familiar whith the policy regarding speculation on this wiki, but I just had to point it out.Spykee 16:48, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The policy is zero speculation. We gather info from official Mojang sources or gameplay from development and official releases. While some conclusions may seem obvious, like yours assuming it has the same block characteristics as a repeater, it is still speculation, and doesn't belong here.  19:04, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, as I said, I wasn't familiar with the speculation policy. What about the picture then? Spykee 14:29, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Comparator in the snapshot
Someone without an account here - the Comparator, in the snapshot, takes input from the left and back sides of the block(not the right side, which may be a bug) with the output at the front. For reference, the output is where the side with the torch by itself is. In my tests:
 * If the signal from the back is weak while the signal from the left is strong, the Comparator will not emit a signal.
 * If the signal from the back is strong while the signal from the left is weak, the Comparator will emit the stronger of the two signals.
 * If the signal from the back is strong while the signal at the left is equally as strong, the Comparator will emit a fresh pulse. 71.252.223.107 17:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)