Minecraft Wiki talk:Community portal/Archive 5

Herobrine
Shouldnt there be a page for HIM? –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ihasnotomato (Talk 14:29, 3 May 2011. Please sign your posts with


 * Minecraft Wiki talk:Community portal/Archive 3. – Scaler (t) 12:36, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It's fan-faction, therefore against the rules. However if you want to still find out about information on a stupid made up character, you can always check out the page in Kizzy's userspace. – ultradude25 ( T at 12:39, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Stained Glass
I was building a castle and got the idea of trying to mix a dye and some glass to create stained/colored glass. It didn't work but I think this would be a great addition. Anyone else think so? Smartguy 21:19, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This really isn't the place to talk about suggestions. http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewforum.php?f=1. MoonBeans (u-t-c) 13:54, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, it said to post anything and I couldn't find the suggestion page. Smartguy 17:34, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

New Seed - GRAPE
Hello!

I confess I am an addicted minecrafter and I wanted to ask what you think about adding grape/wine into the game.

Wine could refresh health as well as grapes themselves and you could make wine taverns. I think this would be a nice addition.

Maybe by drinking too much wine the player falls asleep or is not able to go into the direction the char should go. :)


 * Hello! Here isn't where to chat. Get a MineCraft Forums account. But good idea. --R ocĸetor talk  06:54, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

The Intern
Should we create a page about Tino, the intern. Name reference: http://twitter.com/#!/jnkboy/status/67519945583501312. Drenay 12:20, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Until more information is available (blogpost, etc.) I don't think its needed.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  13:13, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Misas texture pack
I downloaded misas texture pack and it lags until i press F3
 * Contact the creator. The Wiki does not give support for texture packs, skins, mods, hacks and other user-made material.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  14:17, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Illegal activity?
While watching minecraft videos on youtube the other day I came across something I think might be illegal.I found a youtuber showing how to get free accounts with minecraft updating as normal.I don't know how to add a video but the title of the video is how to get minecraft beta for free with auto updates.If memory serves when you buy minecraftit the user agreements states not to distribute and in fact there is even a splash that says it should we tell notch?In the video description there is a ink to a site that is giving it away.The person that made the video says that Notch in person told him that it was okay and that getting it from this site was legal and fine and that the yogscast got it this way seananners got it this way ect.But I don't beleive him Someone needs to tell notch badly. Rad-mango 10:06, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It'll be impossible to stop ALL hackers on Minecraft. Let them be; they all know that without the purchase of Minecraft that Notch is getting poorer. Some people just like to watch the world burn. --R ocĸetor talk  12:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)


 * This is not the place to discuss things like this, use the forums instead. Just email Mojang AB if you want them to know about this.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  13:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Poorer? Lollet's see... 1000000(sold)*20(each)=20000000(=/=poor) Though I do agree with Quatroking. Efter 03:54, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the bump, but this guy has pissed me off. Yes, notch is only a miniscule bit poorer, but are YOU promoting hacked editions, efter? I'd like to see NO hacked editions. --R ocĸetor talk  12:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Pages for Items and Mobs for Mods?
I think we should have pages for items and mobs that are available in Minecraft. I'd like to have approval to do this, as I think it would keep me busy. --BlogDog1231 22:40, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Like items and mobs? – Scaler (t) 06:45, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Fail, Troll is fail. No Offence xD --R ocĸetor talk  09:28, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you mean pages for items and mobs that are added by mods? If so, no, anything third party does not belong in the mainspace.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  12:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Translations
Hi! I'm pretty new here. I want to translate this wiki into Hungarian, but to do that, I have to be in the Autoconfirmed usergroup. I don't have problems with the 3 days; I have a problem with the 10 edits. This whole wiki seems flawless, or at least contains everything I currently know about Minecraft. I have no new mechanism to share, no more information about anything than it is shared on this wiki. I don't know how I am supposed to make 10 edits without the possibility to create more pages. So if someone helped me, like, those who have powers to create pages, create Hungarian pages (just find a page, like Redstone, and overwrite it so it says Redstone/hu, then copy and paste the original English text in it and save) and list them on the Hungarian project page under the last title (Fordítás alatt lévő oldalak; Pages under translation), I would translate them and I'd be grateful. There aren't many Hungarian editors out there and none of the Wanted pages want Hungarian translations. But I have an urge to translate. Please help! TunSha 16:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Every edit counts, including small 1-character changes. Look around for articles that could use re-wording or things like that.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  07:30, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Map name
Im editing the Nether page right now, and i frequently need to refer to the "above ground map" in a world. This is tedious and sort of misleading, so I wondering if we should to it as "Earth" or something? This would probably need its own article, but it could be added to the Map page or something. Toadbert


 * Most call it the overworld --R ocĸetor talk  09:25, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Minecraft Mobile!
Should we make an article on the new "Pocket edition?"? Drenay 21:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  21:39, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That is, when we have actual material to write about, right? Can't do much with a screenshot alone.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  06:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Block-in-Inventory Images
They all need to be updated. In 1.6 there seems to be way less shadows on the sides. Toadbert


 * Done. You may need to update without cache to see the changes. – Scaler (t) 11:12, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Snowed in
Help! i built a great boat harbor in what now appears to be a snow biome! i've got ice everywhere now and i can't get my boats out. any way to end ice regeneration in a specific area?


 * Put torches everywhere. – ultradude25 ( T at 01:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm getting a little tired of having to find a work around for new updates. –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Reddeath (Talk 00:52, 5 June 2011. Please sign your posts with


 * You're playing a beta game, it's not even a full release, quit whining. – ultradude25 ( T at 03:51, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Do burning skeletons and zombies set flammable items on fire?
I know this sounds kind of dumb, but it's not on the wiki and if a person new to MineCraft wants to know, but doesn't find it, wouldn't they get confused? --MeYouAndTheRadio 18:52, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

They do not, no entity does.

The PC gamer demo
We should really make a page about the demo IMO so here are a questions on the subject: A.Should we make such a page? B.Should it be considered a game mode? C.under what categories and templates? also, it will be nice to have a list of ref's on the subject listed here...--Yurisho 19:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Please block spammer
Someone please block this user. See contribs for why. -Aurelius 19:12, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Embedded Video
Seeing as we have the Embed Video extension installed I think we should start using it at least on the tutorial pages. I have made the necessary changes to Tutorials/Traps as an example of how Embedded Video works. This does not change the rule on spamming your youtube videos everywhere, but rather than sending people to youtube, let's keep them here. -- Wynthyst  talk  23:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe not EmbedVideo, but Widgets extension? It also allows to embed video - http://www.mediawikiwidgets.org/Main_Page This extension is installed on pl.Wiki  Lewandowski 'pl.Wiki Admin   talk  23:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC) EDIT': example: JJayJoker/The_Creeper_Song
 * We already have EmbedVideo. Not gonna change it now. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  00:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Web blast resistance
Someone look at this, and reply, and please, somone who is allowed to edit the values, do it... I looked in code. http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Template_talk:Blast_Resistance_Values C ali nou - talk × contribs » 10:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It was done by Ultradude25 : . – Scaler (t) 12:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks :) C ali nou - talk × contribs » 20:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Powered cart problem
Hi Since the latest update I cannot get a powered cart to Push me even on the flat when it meets a cart it just stops! Can anybody help? Cheers Mike

Normal world article?
Should we make an article about the normal minecraft world just like we have an article about the nether? --Yurisho 17:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I had came to understand it is called the overworld --Yurisho 19:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Outdated AND Removed
Can someone please tell me why we have an Outdated category AND a Removed category??? Shouldn't we put them both under one name? --Yurisho 06:03, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Category:Outdated is for features that have been erased from the Minecraft code (used by the Outdated template), whereas Category:Removed is for features that have been made unobtainable in the game but are still in the code (and thus obtainable with hack or editors) (used by the Removedstillingame and NotInGameYet template). I've changed the descriptions of the categories to made them more explicit. – Scaler (t) 09:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * That is completely and utterly backwards. Category:Removed should be for features that have been removed, whereas features that are in the game, but cannot be used without mods, should be in something to the effect of Category:Unobtainable or Category:Unusable. Category:Outdated, if it is kept at all, should be converted to a maintenance category marking pages which need to be updated with new information, e.g. if the feature's behavior is changed in a game update. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:32, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Water elevators
The Water elevators are incorrectly labeled as outdated. Due to update 1.6.6, they will work again, granted you use only source blocks in the vertical shaft. If not using only source blocks, the boat will get pushed down by the current. Simpler said: Downward currents actually push boats down now. Water elevators will still work, if you make it so that there is no current. Krostog 15:21, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Peaceful to Hard to Peaceful Mode
I was just wondering if you were on Peaceful mode on Minecraft Beta 1.6.6, and it was day. Then you

got in your little hideout at night, all safe and protected, and turned the mode on Hard. Then, you waited till sunrise, when all the skeletons and zombies catch on fire, and you turned it on Peaceful. Would the stuff that the skeletons and zombies drop still be there for you to collect?

Depends if the zombies or skeletons are already dead when you switch peaceful. When switching on peaceful, hostile mobs despawn without leaving items. <font color="Blue">C <font color="Orange">ali <font color="Purple">nou - talk × contribs » 20:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Style guide / capitalization
I wish we had a rule which specified whether the names of game items should be capitalized in sentences or not — to take an example from Book, “Books can be combined with wooden planks to craft bookshelf blocks.” versus “Books can be combined with Wooden Planks to craft Bookshelf blocks.” I have no strong preference for one or the other, but I would like there to be an official choice — preferably one which doesn't require ... syntax every time an item is mentioned.

Furthermore, I propose that this and other similar choices be written in a style guide page (analogous to the [Wikipedia Manual of Style]) separate from the more critical Minecraft Wiki:Wiki Rules.

—KPReid 16:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Blue Bevel
A slight complaint about the design of the site - why the black-font-on-blue bevel which is being used everywhere? Wouldn't it be a better design choice to remove the bevel, and settle for a white-font-on-blue style instead? <font color="#ff9900">- Bioran23


 * I'm not entirely sure where you're looking, but the background can be changed in your preferences page under 'appearance'. If you're refering to the standard wiki style, it may be intentional by the admins to promote editing and corrections as needed. By the way, white font is generally a bad design choice for walls of text. Qcdynamics 00:08, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The header style was developed to "mimic" minecraft blocks using the blue from the wiki logo. I'm sorry you don't like it. I also agree that white font would just be bad and that the black is much more readable. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  14:14, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Font size?
Oooh errr, the font size for article text seems to have gone up by about two pt's. Page zoom is set to 100%. What happened? --Gnu32 10:33, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No cache reload the stylesheet. – ultradude25 ( T at 10:36, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ooh, now it worked, cheers! Did I catch you in the middle of something? :P --Gnu32 10:38, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Not me, one of the Curse staff, it was done yesterday actually, so I don't know why you still had the old one. – ultradude25 ( T at 13:49, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Gotta refresh the cache in order to update these things locally :)--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  14:10, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Revisiting "Autoconfirmed" status for page creation
I would like to remove the Autoconfirmed status requirement for page creation and better utilize the AbuseFilter extension to combat the spambots. This has been implemented on the Terraria Wiki very successfully, and it would eliminate the inconvenience to the general editing community. Opinions? -- Wynthyst  talk  03:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Totally agreed. I've already suggest to Quatro to use AbuseFilter in order to fight massive spam/vandalism and it works very well. – Scaler (t) 08:46, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I think this is particularly for the English wiki very useful. But it also means more work for us, because we have to control everything. -- <font color="#008B8B">Oliver Scholz  <font color="#77B33D">de.Wiki Admin 13:04, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The same filters will be implemented on the German wiki as on the English one, however, I have not seen much evidence of spambots on the German wiki, I don't see that it will be that much more work. You can also use the AbuseFilter extension to replicate the required preview if you wish.... -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  13:06, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I should read before I write, because I found a very nice german description... Yes, please test it. :D -- <font color="#008B8B">Oliver Scholz  <font color="#77B33D">de.Wiki Admin 13:24, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Recent appearance hiccup/Sidebar feedback
So, a few days ago the font and zoom on the wiki got borked for a bit, and I noticed that something new got added (and subsequently removed): a feed to forums and a feed to notch's twitter account. I used chrome and only really noticed the feeds at the bottom of the page, but then I checked it out in IE and it really borked the page: on my screen it took up about 20% of the right side of my screen, really squishing the content. Did anyone else notice this and was anyone else bothered by it? --JonTheMon 16:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Using FF4.0.1, it first borked up the font and threw stuff under each page, which moved to the left of the page later that day.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  17:24, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Do we want to mention something to Curse so that it doesn't happen again? --JonTheMon 12:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "Please do not add this sidebar at all, add it to the right bar instead. kthx"--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  13:11, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Here's a look at what we want the right sidebar to look like:
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22949533/Screenshots/sidebar%202.png

and another sample actually on the sidebar:
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22949533/Screenshots/Sidebar.png

The hope is to drive more traffic to the news page and also highlight the official Twitter also. We can look at the statistics in real time to see how useful people find the new links, and the goal was to test the spot for a weekend and see how it performs. –The preceding unsigned comment was added by DoranM (Talk . Please sign your posts with
 * So, yeah, on my screen that takes up like 25-30%, and with the left sidebar taking up like 15%, that adds up to my content being really squished. An abbreviated sidebar integrated into the left bar (possibly with collapsible sections) might be a more space-efficient plan. --JonTheMon 15:36, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

What resolution and screensize do you have Jon? DoranM 15:42, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Depending on the location, somewhere between 1024 wide and 1280 wide. --JonTheMon 15:46, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I strongly object this bar. it would just make things clunky. besides, who is going to look at Notch's blog/twitter/news all the time? we BARELY update the news as-is already, and Notch only posts in short bursts. I think for the sake of ten minutes, for what is usually idle chatter from notch, we can sacrifice these to the main page, if they're even needed.
 * or, the left sidebar. that would be acceptable as well. but right? that's too claustrophobic, and the chances it's useful to someone, if it were put on the main page (which in my opinion is more likely to happen due to functionality) is next to zero.--Kizzycocoa 16:28, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Using 1920x1080 at home on my desktop, and the bar would use 17.5% of my screen. On my laptop however, which runs at 1366x768, the bar would take up to 24.5%, which doesn't leave much space left for the content and the main bar. Now, on 1280x1024, which is a resolution used by a lot of schools (remember, a lot of crafters are teenagers) and people who use 4:3 monitors the bar would take a full 25%. Considering this is most likely the most used resolution, adding a bar that takes 25% of the screen space is just insane and a really bad choice of design. Besides that, as Kizzycocoa mentioned, Notch's twitter is mainly casual and doesn't have that much Minecraft in it at all. We're better off making a list on twitter with all the Mojang guys in it, and then using that feed instead. As for the location, how would it look like if the left bar got enlarged by about 30 pixels, and then a twitter box under the navigation controls? It reaches all users and shouldn't cripple the size of the content.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  16:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there going to be any acknowledgement of these concerns before an implementation? --JonTheMon 16:32, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you integrate the sidebar into the already existing sidebar on the left? There is a lot of white, unused space on the right. Drenay 16:51, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Too big, meaningless content, wrong place. We don't need something like this. And in german wiki, it's at the bottom again. Please remove it. -- <font color="#008B8B">Oliver Scholz  <font color="#77B33D">de.Wiki Admin 17:22, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for cutting my content area down to 50-60% and having large margins on the sides of longer pages. It just makes the content oh-so-special to be squished and framed by such large, expansive whitespaces. And hey! For regular pages I get not just 1 infobox, but 2 infoboxes worth of space used on the right! --JonTheMon 18:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I love the game and use the wiki almost daily, so I had to create an account to say that I hope this does not stay. The wiki doesn't need a Twitter feed and the forums are already linked on the side menu and main page of the wiki. Too much wasted space for something the wiki didn't even need. :\ Khalija 18:11, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind having the feed, but putting it on the right squishes the content a bit too much in my opinion. --Celtic Minstrel 18:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * NONTEBAM - No one need this evil bar at Minecraftwiki :P -- <font color="#008B8B">Oliver Scholz  <font color="#77B33D">de.Wiki Admin 18:22, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * We don't need the tweets, we aren't a Minecraft social network. The "Recent Articles" thing can go just go away, or go on the main page in the News section. We need space for our content. Drenay 18:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

--Nategiven 18:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC) ''I am running a private server with a 1280x1024 monitor on which the screen is split in half: left is the server command window where I monitor what my players are doing, and right is the item code screen for when they send me requests. I can't see any content on the Wiki page anymore because of the right panel you've added. Is there any way we can make that more screen friendly for those of us who aren't in maximized windows on widescreen monitors?''

I find this sidebar to be a nuisance, because since my computer is without a widescreen monitor, the sidebar gets compressed onto the pages and as such severely interferes with the content, making it look absolutely horrible and awkward to read. What's more, when I look at pictures, the sidebar ends up covering most of the image and I have to click on the picture just to see the whole thing, and I shouldn't have to do that. If this is a feature intended to stay, I suggest it be implemented better, with those who have smaller monitors in mind. Not everyone has a 1920x1080 monitor or larger, and with it as it is now, I find it to be severely intrusive and poorly integrated. If anything, this sort of thing should be on the front page or at the bottom of the pages, or just not used at all. DMagnus 19:07, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

For those who wish to remove the sidebar Use the skin, Monobook. it removes the right sidebar

also, after a small browsing session in Vector, I can say it is a bad place for a bar. it should either be put to the left, or onto the main page.--Kizzycocoa 19:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, so I KNOW you people are reading this.
 * stop this idiocity.


 * we do NOT want it. can't you guys understand that? this is a collaborative effort. a community effort. and the community is saying your sidebar is BAD.
 * and yet, you go against it with this insane, ugly, space-eating, useless, and even BROKEN (the twitter feed is a blog feed) sidebar?


 * like I said, I know you've seen this. until I posted, everything was good. So, as a User, and a person with my own thoughts on this, I wish to say:


 * stop being selfish with this side bar.


 * We are the community.
 * We know what we like, what will look good and what will not.
 * And we do not want this wiki ruined by higher-ups who SECRETLY and WITHOUT WARNING AND DISCUSSION ruin the wiki with an space-guzzling sidebar that can easily be put in the left bar or main page, with a link to Minecraft WHICH IS IN THE LEFT SIDEBAR ALREADY, and a twitter feed that DOESN'T WORK, and is FULL OF PERSONAL TWEETS, HARDLY EVER CONTRIBUTING TO MINECRAFT.


 * I am also saying, I am saying this as a user. I have fallen out of administration for much lesser issues due to liking the wiki and wanting to improve it. If I were demoted due to having a voice, I know I have be taken away from the team with the best intentions of the wiki in my mind and intentional.


 * Which is more than you can say on the matter.--Kizzycocoa 20:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I am too against this sidebar: the wiki is nearly unusable with this. Are you trying to make the users go away? – Scaler (t) 21:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Remove the goddamn sidebar or I will track down whoever added it and burn down their house(s). This is the worst possible thing you can do and it is completely unnecessary.--AncientPower 21:08, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd also like to add, seeing as people from a community like this would probably take it the wrong way, the above comment is sarcastic in a passive-aggressive way. I'm not really going to burn down your house, it's just a way of expressing my hatred for the sidebar. Just saying, since people around here probably can't take a joke of that caliber.--AncientPower 21:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't like the bar because it is just too wide on a 4:3 ratio. Hey, I like CRT monitors. That bar literally takes 1/4 of the screen; the wiki now looks like a newspapers column. Besides, I have those pages open in other tabs, anyway... --orionsyndrome 21:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

With the sidebar, hard to use minecraft wiki when the web browser is not maximised, takes up too much space. Not approve. Tinaun 22:02, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I've never seen a larger sidebar in my life. I use a portrait monitor, so when using the wiki the space that real content can occupy on my screen is now reduced to a column just four inches wide. It's, not only annoying, inconvenient and largely useless, it makes using the website practically impossible, and is seriously off-putting for someone like myself who uses the wiki almost every day. DanOfLA 00:24, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I also do not like the sidebar; I already check the minecraft forums regularly for news and don't much care about the twitter. If this info is going to be put on the wiki, please put it on the main page or a specific news page, but not on every single content page. I go to content pages for specific information, and the sidebar cuts the width of the content by about a third given the size of my normal browser window. If the sidebar stays, I will be use either a userstyles change or a Stylish override to hide it. MouseyPounds 00:12, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Gracious me! Management team, Please give us a way to close/open the right bar! It compresses the articles and (at least to me) is sometimes a nuisance. It's nice, but please, give us a minimize button! –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Prisma90 (Talk . Please sign your posts with

These things belong on the main page if anywhere, not on every single page. Please remove them. Munin295 01:44, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Is the picture that links to the Minecraft page really necessary? If someone is looking at this wiki, I think they would be fully capable of navigating to that page. Along with that, where the hell did you get this idea?! I have never seen another wiki have one of these! &#124; JSan 03:02, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Wasn't the right-side sidebar taking up entirely too much space that the admins couldn't remove why WoWWiki forked? >.> --Kaydeethree (talk) 03:49, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Add me to the list of people that hate this. I follow Notch on Twitter, I don't need to see his tweets on every page of the wiki. I go to specific places to see news, not every page of the wiki. Manifold 04:26, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Please keep this section on topic the topic of feedback regarding the Sidebar. Off topic posts will be removed. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  07:35, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I really don't like it. Even with a modified vector.css, there is a blank space at right of my screen, which reduces the width in the center. And same, if I want to see notch's twitter and stuff, I just type the address. Checking one time a day is sufficient, not 20 times a day. (tldr: remove it!) <font color="Blue">C <font color="Orange">ali <font color="Purple">nou - talk × contribs » 07:54, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Just to repost, Notch himself expressed that the bar has made the page worse. http://twitter.com/notch/status/81867527868792832 --Kizzycocoa 09:44, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Remove it. It is really ugly, useless and space-consuming. The wiki is the source of stable encyclopedia-like information, not recent tweets - that should go to the minecraftforum. Recent articles are the same as Recent changes on the leftbar. Tweets do not fit here and are really useless without hyperlinks - niether http://... ones are hilighted, nor @user, nor #hastag, nor are there links to tweets themselves). And because the wiki is >90% about the paid version of minecraft, almost everybody browsing this already bought it, so the banner is completely useless. And, being so useless, it consumes so much space, that users with small displays have to do an anoying lot of scrolling. So just Remove it. -- Shambler0 09:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I actually really like it although there should be an option to close and and open it. Samka 10:31, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I vote remove the sidebar. It makes me lose the focus on the article and focus on the sidebar instead. --RichardG867 12:55, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Remove - Compresses available article space and makes the pages difficult to read, particularly on smaller screens where I previously had no problem reading articles. Tswsl1989 14:58, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I made an account, just to say, REMOVE THIS THING. PLEASE. ElementalChaos 00:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The right bar column is way too big, it takes up 25% of my screen space. Please move it somewhere else. Xinhuan 04:15, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I would like to make a threat-free request to make the sidebar hide-able through the user preferences, and perhaps to make it hidden by default. I am also confused that "Recent Articles" is not actually of the wiki but forum posts, which is misleading/confusing. Furthermore the Mojang teams' tweets are already viewable elsewhere and as this is an encyclopaedic site I feel it should have its space filled with information and not social network-esque streams. Rant over. -- Filosof 16:28, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Remove - This side-bar is squishing up the articles, and also useless. We don't need it. Almost the whole community hates it! Remove it already! Somebody500 (有人500) 12:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Please remove the sidebar. It's the most annoying wiki layout I've ever seen, because of how crowded the text gets.

Righthand sidebar
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The righthand sidebar takes up too much space. On my screen which is 1280x1024, it uses 25% space, leaving only about 1/3 of the screen left for actual content. Please remove or move it. There is a discussion going on here but with no feedback from Curse Admins for 4 days: Minecraft_Wiki_talk:Community_portal. The right-hand bar is why so many people hate Wikia, and also part of the reason why WoWWiki (the second largest wiki in the world) forked away from Wikia (amusingly) to be hosted by Curse as WoWPedia. - Xinhuan 04:37, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The sidebar is far to wide for non-widescreen. Cound ther just be an option to hide it, or to be set on jour preference page or (just like the the blocks template) by a hide button? --STS(t 19:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it's a good sidebar. It really narrows the screen, it results in a lot of dead space on longer articles, on ie6 (which I use at work thanks to government policies, it overhangs this edit window (really frustrating, can't see the end of my sentneces as I type them) and the links in the tweets aren't live. I think it'd be a great addition to the left-hand sidebar if formatted down to that width and the links activated. Also that'd be more consistent with the look of the wiki, I feel. Adje 10:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Wikia added a sidebar much like this new feature, and users were up in arms about it, enough to leave Wikia completely. (a) it assumes that every user's window is larger than 1024px wide and (b) it creates unusable empty space on the page, below the sidebar.  There's a word for it in the newspaper/magazine business, something about empty alleyways -- in radio it's called "dead air" and avoided at all costs. --Mozai 13:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It just takes space. New should be on the front page, in a box like anything else there. Then we could read the news WHEN we want to read them. I luckily have a quite wide screen put still they are annoying. Remove. -- | TheKax |   Talk   17:42, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Consensus
Ok, it appears that the consensus about the sidebar is near-unanimous in that it is not good. I propose it is either removed or moved to a less intrusive location (left sidebar / front page). --JonTheMon 14:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, we do not have the powers to remove this sidebar. also, just as bad, I fear that only statistics or Notch can sort this. that, or a huge surge in wikihate, which is still likely. --Kizzycocoa 15:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Greetings, Curse staff!
For the related forum topic of this discussion, please see here

I am Major Rasputin, also known as User:Gnu32 around here. I am a professional web developer and designer, an expert in user interfaces and an expert wiki-editor. I have numerous contributions to this wiki and for a while I had been helping out on one or two projects around here.

Could I just ask, what is this?



Thank you, --Gnu32 18:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Did your account got hacked? Why do you even ask that, it's the "new" sidebar, with recent Notch's tweets and posts. <font color="Blue">C <font color="Orange">ali <font color="Purple">nou - talk × contribs » 18:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I asked because I was merely curious as to what this large tumor was doing sitting on the side. --Gnu32 18:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * If I could, I would upvote you times infinity, Gnu32. DMagnus 19:42, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * you can here and here. --Kizzycocoa 19:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Greasemonkey
If you have Greasemonkey instaled (called 'user scripts' in Google Chrome), I wrote a greasemonkey script to get rid of the sidebar and restore each article's full width. --Mozai 15:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Every page I load now starts a video file playing. It doesn't matter that I've stopped it 100 times! Please please remove this stupid waste of our bandwidth or at least enable logged in users to hide it. It's making me regret and loathe coming here. Can I pay a subscription to see no adverts and no sidebar? I would. Adje 14:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Eyesore
A week later, and it's still a bloody eyesore. This needs to be removed. --JonTheMon 17:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * All moderators agree, but Curse as a whole so far does not.


 * We really wish we could help, but we can't. I myself feel like I'm failing as a moderator atm due to it. --Kizzycocoa 17:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Sidebar suggestion
A few notes to the Curse staff, from an admin of the french wiki: Thanks, Jimeowan 09:05, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I acknowledge you guys need money to run this community, and that this sidebar came out as a solution (using news/Notch's tweets to attract the visitor look closer to the advert... why not), but listening to the community advice is IMO especially important when you have lots of competitors out there (you know, client/supplier stuff).
 * If you guys need to use some more space for advertising, there's still plenty of ways to do it "nicely". But what is done here is way too large, the Blocks page for exemple is almost funny to see. I guess you already noticed that most of the community (including Curse members(?)) and Notch himself don't like it the way it is.
 * Whatever you decide, please make it quickly official so that we can rearrange the layout of some pages (like this Blocks joke).
 * I would be more satisfied if they actually had a dialog with us. --JonTheMon 00:48, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ^this.
 * 100% this. --Kizzycocoa 05:25, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Still waiting
Curse is being pretty damn silent about this sidebar. *coughbumblecough* --JonTheMon 15:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Still waiting... --JonTheMon 03:44, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. Curse does not agree about removal. Remove this damn sidebar or make it toggleable. <font color="Blue">C <font color="Orange">ali <font color="Purple">nou - talk × contribs » 18:19, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I believe Curse has no intentions of ever removing the sidebar, unless traffic on them stops, or unless enough people complain. and we're talking likely hundreds needed to sway them. this does not mean stop arguing for it's removal. I encourage further criticism of the sidebar. that way, there is still hope they'll act on the issue.

the incredibly ugly space-eating issue that should never have happened without wiki community criticism being accepted.--Kizzycocoa 18:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I see an oddity here: Always so chatty and opinion rich curse staff *coughwynthystcough* is not giving any response in this issue, whereas every single even slightly noobish question about building a basic shelter gets answered in couple of seconds. Seems that curse is not willing to remove the bar. Why not? Are they, like, getting cash out of keeping it up? | TheKax |   Talk   07:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Any chance Curse had at showing me advertising has been squashed with this sidebar nonsense. I don't mind ad-block whitelisting sites I support, but I'm not going to put up with this obnoxious sidebar. Manifold 15:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Re:Kax, I don't think this is Wyn's call. As per the reddit discussion, Bumble is goto person for it. --JonTheMon 16:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * you can use the CSS bypass. it's openly posted above. --Kizzycocoa 16:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Re:Jon, I meant Wyn is always active chatting. Didn't mean to blame him on the sidebar though. | TheKax |   Talk   08:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi guys, you can send me feedback at [REDACTED], I'll try to respond to everything assuming it a malicious e-mail or something. I know most of the editors find the sidebar disagreeable and of course improvements can be made, but Wyn and I cannot make the decision on if the sidebar can be removed. If you want to see changes, please encourage all editors AND visitors to send me their feedback. I considered posting my e-mail on the sitenotice asking for feedback but I wasn't sure if you guys would think that is kind of invasive. I would like to hear the opinion of everyone though. Let me know if the sitenotice thing is cool, I'm trying to get the feedback of people who are simply visitors or just drop by the site every once and a while too (they don't usually look at the community portal). Also feel free to report anything else to me such as backend issues or maybe just ideas you might have relating to the software itself. I looked into fixing the python bot issue this weekend and it should now be fixed, I haven't been able to confirm if the problem is fixed on Minecraft Wiki though because I don't have a bot set up here. -- Bumble talk 17:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * A site notice would be good to let people know that Curse is aware of the concern (even if they haven't addressed them yet) and give people an outlet to respond. --JonTheMon 15:22, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I fully support a site notice requesting feedback, and will be submitting my own to that email shortly.
 * I for one, considering the community input, would actually add it right now.
 * however, I understand I am in no position to do so, even if I can do so.
 * Still, I am eagerly watching this, and hope we can sort this issue out as soon as possible. --Kizzycocoa 15:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I say go for it (at least point out this section) so that more users can tell curse just how bad the sidebar is. --JonTheMon 13:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * So, site notice or not? --JonTheMon 15:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Two steps back
Great, now we don't have any way for the community to let curse know what they think about the sidebar, and the admins' hands are tied and they are not allowed to think of the community over the hosting. And now that the response has been redacted, it looks like we'll be kept waiting for a response at the whim of Curse. --JonTheMon 16:32, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say future silence is yet another step back. --JonTheMon 19:38, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * so, how is that new ad that's in the sidebar anyway? I hear it's raking in money. not that it's connected. at all. obviously. --Kizzycocoa 19:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And of course we can't just move the sidebar to the left where it would actually be more prominent without being a pain for, oh wait, the actual users of the wiki. --JonTheMon 16:43, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * God, it never ceases to be ugly. I hate to say it, but it might actually be better for the wiki if it drives people away. --JonTheMon 18:19, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Is it possible for someone to host a mirror that doesn't have the ugly sidebar? The content of the wiki is licensed under "Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported", so it seems like that would be okay, wouldn't it? Also, should this discussion perhaps be revived on the non-archived talk page? It's kind of obscure here. --NightKev 00:24, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Sharing?
Hi. I'm new to Minecraft, and I was just wondering if, in multiplayer, one player can share an item with another. I haven't done multiplayer yet, but have a friend who wants to.

uuum, you throw it at them? please play multiplayer before asking questions on it --Thatdude624 16:54, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Play multiplayer and press Q (default) to drop an item for someone else to be able to pick up. Or open the inventory screen and drag an item to the outside of the box. Hope i helped :) --Gunnez360 11:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

New bug?
I noticed that when I look at glass through glass, the glass I'm looking at is invisible. Any help? –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Noodleharm (Talk 04:54, 16 June 2011. Please sign your posts with
 * As far as I know glass has always behaved like this. – Scaler (t) 07:38, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

This isn't a bug, glass is supposed to act like that. Can you imagine if you could see the particles on every block of glass? Thick panes would barely be transparent at all...

DanOfLA 00:34, 18th June 2011 (UTC)

Swedish translation
Hi, I'm going to start a Swedish translation, all contributes are welcome! The project would have the name Minecraft Wiki:Projects/Swedish translation. Platina 10:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Just a question, when am I able to create new articles? Is after 4 days, or? Platina 10:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 3 days and 10 other edits. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  11:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, thank you! Platina 17:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Page creation restrictions
Hi guys! A while ago we applied some page creation restrictions to limit some spam bot activity. We have developed some new ways to deal with the spambots, so I have had the restrictions lifted. Pages can now be created by any user from the moment they register.

Just because we have new tools, it doesn't mean we don't still need your eyes to watch for spam, please use the Minecraft Wiki:Admin noticeboard to let us know if something isn't working the way it should! -- Wynthyst  talk  23:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

SPYWARE ALERT: ScorecardResearch
The wiki's been compromised with a dangerous piece of spyware called ScorecardResearch. I don't know how, but this is the sourcecode that's been injected into the site:

This is a screenshot of what just came up a few minutes ago: http://i.imgur.com/G5bI8.png. It is important that users ignore this box or click the X, but it would also be safer to keep off the Minecraft Wiki until this is fixed. And before anyone suggests it, no this is not my end. I don't get spyware or viruses.

Thank you, --Gnu32 19:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw this an hour ago. I can confirm this.--Kizzycocoa 19:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not a dangerous piece of software, it's an industry standard analytics platform. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No honey, I don't think you understand. This is a malware attack. If you're suggesting that maybe, somehow, this is supposed to be on this website, something is very, very wrong here. --Gnu32 19:22, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have never seen that before. It's probably Adblock. Drenay 19:19, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No HONEY, you don't seem to understand. This is a tool that we are using to gather analytic data. It's not malware. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. --Gnu32 19:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It sure seems like the same thing that has caused thousands of people computer issues, looking at those search results. Manifold 22:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I read through most all of the articles, and understood that the issues were not with the computers, but with the sites those computers were visiting. It also appears that any issues they may have had are in the past, as all of those results are 6 months old. Of course, I urge any of you to report to us immediately if this in any way impacts the performance of your computer. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]]  talk  06:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

this looks like somthing i seen in my computer class. i think it is a random script corroption

random page in English
is it me who are being really blind and don't see a "always show pages in English" button, or is a page automatically showed in a language that is under the translation project when i click the random page button (witch i tend to do sometimes when i'm bored)? If it is automatically shown in a different page than English, would it then maybe, be a good idea to put up a box somewhere on the page saying "This page is part of the minecraft wiki translation project. Click a language below to see the page in that language" or something along those lines. Again if there is an "always show pages in English" button please tell me where it is (but please, be kind consider the idea i suggested to, i would appreciate it) Trunks554 17:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Random page is a random page of the whole wiki including the sub-pages of the translations projects. There is already a box saying if a page is part of a translation project (if translators don't forget to add it) and a link to the english page (just under the page title). – Scaler (t) 00:04, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I've been looking at this issue for a while, and apparently it can be fixed using this. It's an improved version of the original feature, however the original has been deprecated since MW 1.16.0. Using the original feature, all we'd have to do is this:  which would then exclude all pages in the Projects category. I have no idea how the improved version works however. Luckily, a friendly IRC user on the #Mediawiki channel is willing to look at it some more for us, as it might prove useful to him too!--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  11:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

changing rule 20.A proposal
Rule 20.A at the moment says:"This rule does not apply to articles covering Mods.", there is a problem with this version, as it suggests that rule 20 does apply to texture packs, and that you can use custom texture packs that have no connection to a mod the screenshot was meant to show. Thus I propose this version:"This rule does not apply to articles covering Mods and texture packs, as long as the screenshot contains custom texturepacks, UI mods and other custom content that is relevant to the article".--Yurisho 07:11, 30 June 2011 (UTC)