Template talk:Java Edition versions

Alt idea
I'm concerned that the slashes and dots are a savings in horizontal space, that only translates into a small savings in vertical space. On a 1920 x 1080 px page, these schemes are only saving maybe 2 or 3 lines from a navbox that takes up the whole height of the page, and only from the 1.8 and 1.9 sections. On smaller screen sizes, these schemes start to make more of a difference, but they don't ever reduce the size of 'small' updates, like 1.1, 1.2.2, 1.10, 1.5.2, etc. There's a proliferation of these very short rows, and that will only ever increase.

So I wonder if anyone can come up a novel way to do the whole nav box, that doesn't take up as much vertical space. Can we leave the links in normal form, like they are, but focus on designing new / smarter collapsible sections? Or focus on presenting updates in a different way, so that there's not numerous very short rows? – Sealbudsman talk/contr 16:04, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, what I did to our version navbox, is simply separating the whole navbox into per-update navboxes (except for Alpha and Beta phases). The main template is basically just one large switch operator, which has to be updated per full release (though shouldn't be too bad, though). Below the navbox I've added links to the previous update navbox and to the next one, aswell as providing the whole one.


 * One of the, in my opinion, best things about this, is that on smaller screens, the navbox doesn't take up space all that much as it did previously and that version lists are much better separated from each other. On the other hand, to view the other versions, you do have to click a few times before eventually getting there. As of right now, too, you have to edit two navboxes (the large one, used as fallback and a smaller one) which is also not one of the greatest of things if I do say so myself.


 * Maybe an idea? Also, let me know if an English documentation page is needed for further understanding of the template if the Wiki wants to proceed with it or is just generally interested. -- DarkShadowTNT  NL Admin ( t  ♦  c ) 21:26, 12 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I really like this model, actually.
 * I wonder if it would be feasible to build the large nav box so it transcluded all the little versions, so you wouldn't have to duplicate them?
 * Also I wonder if it's possible to make the middle link to toggle between the 1.x list and the full list without leaving the page? That could cut down on click actions.  I don't recall whether quick hide/show functionality is available in that form, or whether it's only available as part of the standard collapsible box.
 * – Sealbudsman talk/contr 05:02, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your feedback. :)


 * As for transcluding all the navboxes into one, I could try that, but I don't have high hopes, as when I tried previously, it didn't work due to our navbox template using a whole different system than used here. For example, to transclude another navbox in a navbox, the second navbox has to be placed inside a group list of the first navbox. That group block is then showed, with the second full navbox next to it as being 'the list'. However, when the second navbox is set to, it will then create a grey group block with a list as shown in the version template. This does, however, mean that it is no longer a navbox.


 * I could, however, try to make it so that the middle link opens the full navbox without leaving the page. That shouldn't be hard to do. famous last words -- DarkShadowTNT  NL Admin ( t  ♦  c ) 07:54, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


 * On this page you now find the 1.12 navbox (basically just a copy of the original), but this time the toon alles (show everything) button 'loads' the full template. In reality it simply sets a div to . When clicked again, it hides the div. I chose for this because it was easier to implement than using a template like LoadBox or LoadPage or writing a whole new script section.


 * JavaScript can be found at the bottom of our Common.js. It is also noteworthy to say it isn't using, mainly because I couldn't get it working without and I don't know where exactly the error is (I'm not a JavaScript expert, so yeah). Thoughts? --  DarkShadowTNT  NL Admin ( t  ♦  c ) 21:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Let's talk about the 1.12 icon
(The timing may be early…) I support Concrete or  Parrots, what does everyone else think?-- Beans1512 Talk/Contribs 14:16, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * So far I think Parrots would be good - by the way should we flip the parrot icon to face the other way? I notice it faces the other way from the horse. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 11:28, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * THX. Please ask Mr.Oakar567 about the icon.-- Beans1512 Talk/Contribs 11:31, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * How about glazed terracotta? Seeing as it's one of the most vividly colorful additions to Minecraft, although it's not quite instantly recognizable as the parrot. Just regular concrete would be too bland. This is the World of Color update after all! Superspace (talk) 15:19, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * That's pretty good! I will erase the concrete proposal.-- Beans1512 Talk/Contribs 01:34, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Since there was no reply after Sunday, sprite will be determined as glazed terracotta.-- Beans1512 Talk/Contribs 07:50, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No, we have until the release of 1.12 to talk about it. It's no rush. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 12:00, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry.-- Beans1512 Talk/Contribs 12:18, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry as well if I discouraged you from putting the icon there. I really only meant that the decision didn't need to be considered final, so quickly. I do like the terracotta icon, anyway. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 12:09, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * For christ sake it's just an icon, we don't need to edit war over it because a decision hasn't been made. If someone puts an icon in just leave it, then when a decision is made it can be changed to it. –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 09:55, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Or make a concrete (powder) sprite featuring all the variants of the concrete (powder) blocks. Would also be useful for the breaking table of both pages imho. Just a suggestion... — DarkShadowTNT  NL Admin ( t  ♦  c ) 20:57, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I would support using a parrot, or possibly a colored bed. The BlobsPaper.png 22:43, 12 May 2017 (UTC)


 * 190.190.40.182 just made it the Parrot – Nixinova • Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Diamond_Pickaxe.png Grid_Map.png • 22:19, 20 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Nixinova@undefined Now glazed terracotta has the most votes. Perhaps he may not know about it ...-- Beans1512 Talk/Contribs 03:28, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Personally I would like it to be the parrot – Nixinova • Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Diamond_Pickaxe.png Grid_Map.png • 05:49, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * 1.12 is now released. Have we reached a consensus? I'm seeing opinions for both and . The former would be the more "obvious" choice (who doesn't love parrots?) but the latter has made quite a dramatic impact on style and decor. In the end, both are extremely colorful things, which is what the update is about, so either one would work well. Personally, I  with glazed terracotta. Superspace (talk) 21:41, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm equally fine with either. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 22:10, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


 * .-- Beans1512 Talk/Contribs 09:25, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I with glazed terracotta, the update focused mainly on adding more colored block to the world, and glazed terracotta represent that better than a parrot IMO. --Pepijn (talk) 11:43, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with either Parrot or Glazed Terracotta

Most if not all people discussing here have favorable things to say about the parrot. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 11:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * for my rude edit. I didn't notice the discussions here. btw, I think the advancement system is the most notable change of 1.12.  a20001017 Talk 12:23, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * No, no need to apologize. I would like to ask a question but is sprite of advancement is ? (From Template:Gameplay) And I object to the sprite of advancements. Because it is similar to 1.11 and its meaning is difficult to understand.-- Beans1512 Talk/Contribs 12:58, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Again, can we stop being so upset about these icons? We don't need a 3 month community consensus project just to choose the one true icon, to rule them all. If someone adds an (((unapproved))) icon, just leave it... It's such an insignificant change. Only once people start edit warring over which icon to use is it an issue, in-which case those users get blocked or the page gets temporarily protected. Having a community consensus is good, to prevent people from arbitrarily changing the icon in the future (or at least giving us a justifiable reason to simply revert them), but it shouldn't block there being an icon at all. Excessive bureaucracy ruins everything. –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 13:05, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * What should I do when I (we) face such early editing in such a period? I am quite astray now.-- Beans1512 Talk/Contribs 13:20, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * "Early editing" is just like any edit, it's either fine as it is, or it could be better. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 14:14, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Certainly there is a possibility of becoming a good hint. However, if we leave undecided sprites, we will encounter difficulties in the translation of multilingual users.-- Beans1512 Talk/Contribs 14:23, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Postscript: The talk after this should be another place (eg a community portal).-- Beans1512 Talk/Contribs 14:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I would support glazed terracotta because the update is called "World of Color", and glazed terracotta comes in more colors than parrots. The BlobsPaper.png 14:28, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Come on, the updates been out for a few days already. We need a consensus. or ? – Nixinova • Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Diamond_Pickaxe.png Grid_Map.png • 07:50, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I support glazed terracotta (fits the 1.12 theme), seeing as that is the majority I will add the sprite and hopefully we can finish this discussion. –Goandgoo ᐸ Talk Contribs 08:37, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I also will support that.--Beans1512 (talk) 08:39, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protection
Please semi-protect this page :) -- Beans1512 Talk / Contribs 11:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Let's talk about the 1.13 icon
(The timing may be early…) I support Command Block, what does everyone else think? -- Beans1512 Talk / Contribs 01:56, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You mean 1.13? Yeah, I support a command block icon. It seems very fitting. ―HalfOfAKebab (talk, contribs) 03:06, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Command Block seems OK, but this update isn't just the command parser rewrite; it's also the LWJGL update (not exactly displayable, though) and The Flattening (which might have a usable icon in it, but I don't know what it would be) --Pokechu22 (talk) 03:20, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think the command block is the most easily representable 1.13 change. I guess for LWJGL we could have a key or something? I don't think that would be good though, since it's not immediately obvious that it stands for the LWJGL update, not to mention that it would be inconsistent with all the other updates' icons. I don't know what icon could come from the Flattening. ―HalfOfAKebab (talk, contribs) 03:23, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * 1.13 is a technical update. IMO the command block represents this the most. So from me. --Pepijn (talk) 22:29, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 23:00, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorting
I think the sorting of the versions should be flipped, i.e. it should be ordered from most recent at the top to early versions of the game at the bottom. Thoughts? ―HalfOfAKebab (talk, contribs) 15:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * - turns out those extra development phase tabs do add up. - MinecraftPhotos4U (talk) 09:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * – DelboyDylan (talk 17:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * - This template is primarily to navigate versions, not find the latest snapshot, so I think chronological makes the most sense as the natural sort order. In any case, most articles have the majority of the sub-navboxes closed anyways, so just the bottom box with release versions that is open on most snapshots. – KnightMiner  t/c 17:50, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * per KnightMiner. -BDJP (t 19:57, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Add back the 1.13 icon.
I suggested to use a Command Block, a fish  or water. Any suggestions? Please reply me. Haydkenmutthew (talk) 14:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I'd say that because the primary name of 1.13 is now Update Aquatic, we should do something other than the command block. However, as we've not had any snapshots for the aquatic additions yet, we should probably wait before deciding on an icon. For example, we may want to use a turtle or dolphin sprite, once they are finalised. – DelboyDylan (talk 15:17, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * . Although I'm personally all about the technical changes, most people will see 1.13 as the ocean update now. A commandblock doesn't really fit that anymore. I'm not against using the water sprite, but I prefer icons to be picked from the new content (like coral). So I would say "wait". It's just an icon, there's no rush. --Pepijn (talk) 15:57, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree with PepijnMC. -- Beans1512 Talk / Contribs 23:59, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The first Update Aquatic snapshot is released! We can add the icon now! (Please help us make an icon fit this...) Haydkenmutthew (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I would just go with the new cod item texture personally, or maybe cod in a bucket. Its a new texture to the update, unlike water directly, and is a lot more obviously water related than something like kelp or coral. – KnightMiner  t/c 01:00, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

– does it exist?

 * I can't view the video you posted, and Google gives me no results for "Minecraft Alpha 1.1.3". Does the update actually exist? – Nixinova Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Diamond_Pickaxe.png Grid_Map.png 03:25, 22 April 2018 (UTC)


 * To be fair its existence is controversial; the video is so low quality that it seems more likely that it's actually a video of Alpha 1.1.2 with the 2 distorted and compressed beyond recognition. Here's a reupload, by the way. - MinecraftPhotos4U (talk) 06:29, 22 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I looked at that video and the number looks more like a '2' than a '3'. If that's the only evidence for that version, I don't think it should be listed here at all. – Nixinova Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Diamond_Pickaxe.png Grid_Map.png 06:49, 22 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I upped the quality of the video and it's definitely a '2'. Removing from template. – Nixinova Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Diamond_Pickaxe.png Grid_Map.png 06:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Indentations
The Classic and Alpha versions have weird indentations. ? – Nixinova   07:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)