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Page error in Chinese wiki
Hi Wynthyst I noticed a page error in this url http://zh.minecraftwiki.net/%E7%83%A7%E7%82%BC In English wiki, its corresponding page is Smelting. Plz keep an eye on it!--Sjjklh 14:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  15:12, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

E-mail
Hello, Wynthyst!

Did you receive my e-mail? I checked my "Send" inbox, and it disappeared, so I'm a bit worried.

Thanks! Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 18:42, 27 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I was thinking, and... This message isn't necessary, so I sended the e-mail again. Sorry and thanks. Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 21:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

помогите
I don't English. Google translet. почему когда я редактирую статьи мои обновления удаляют?! ЭТО НЕ ВАНДАЛИЗМ!!!


 * Did you say that your editions on ru.minecraftwiki.net are reverted by an admin? And are you sure that isn't vandalism? Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 21:41, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Help
Help! Unlock my Russian-language wiki. My ID: 1935. I'm doing fine print and it blocks my Norrius to cause vandalism! The rules of my revisions nothing is written, it is not permissible, release me and talk to Norrius! 1935 ID.
 * Tell me you username or IP-address. Norrius -  Ru Admin  14:09, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Question about your edit
Could you comment on this edit? HEKP0H -  ru.Wiki Admin  13:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Misclick? I did not intentionally make that edit. The only thing I did on the Russian wiki yesterday was remove the IP Range block that ended up blocking the user mentioned above. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:12, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Miney
Miney has been offline for greater than 24 hours. It timed out at 23:50 EST on Wednesday night (Nov. 7th). 20:20, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Renaming articles?
Kizzycocoa suggested I ask you about this. Per the (title-cased) style guide, article titles are supposed to be all lowercase. This is a good guideline, because when they're not lowercase, links to those pages have to be specially coded -- e.g.,  instead of just. Is there a preferred way to correct improperly-capitalized articles, such as Glowstone Block, Tripwire Hook, and Monster Egg? --Munin295 02:28, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I personally disagree with the style guide, as common wiki practice is for in game items to be named exactly as they are in game. So if they are capitalized in game, they should be capitalized on the wiki. However, sentence case would be the next option, as Media Wiki will not allow article names to be all lower case, no matter what you type in, it will always convert it to sentence case. The proper way to rename an article is to first use the "What links here" function in the toolbox to find and change all links to the improperly capitalized page, and then once those have all been fixed, use the move function to rename the article, maintaining the page history intact. The move will also create a redirect to cover any pre existing bookmarks, etc. I would however be very careful about mass moving articles only for capitalization correction. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:26, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * There are already a number of sentence-case redirects, such as wooden planks; they seem to be a reasonable alternative to piped links. -- Orthotope 04:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Btw, under NO circumstances should you copy/paste the content to a new page and then use the original to create the redirect as you suggested on Kizzy's talk page. This completely breaks the page history chain. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  04:25, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * What I was trying to suggest was creating a new properly-titled page with nothing in it but a #REDIRECT command (no copy/pasting of content), leaving the original improperly-named article untouched (exactly like wooden planks). This wouldn't break any links or affect page history because nothing has happened to the improperly-titled page, but would allow lowercase links to work (through the redirect). Also, it's a lot less work (and less log spam). --Munin295 04:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The inconsistency of having items capitalized in article titles as if they were proper nouns, and treating them as common nouns everywhere else, makes no sense and only causes problems like having to go through pointless redirects when linking, and reader confusion. My personal choice is to treat them as common nouns, the rationale of which is made here. If this stance where to be taken, would it not be wiser to get it over with and perform a mass move (which would be unseen to readers)? This is better than a life time of major inconsistency in capitalization and would help extremely with ease of linking (not having to go through all those piped links and/or redirects). -- Hower64 05:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand the concern over the inconsistency, however, the concern about the redirects is misplaced. One way or another we will end up having redirects either to the camel case names, or to the sentence case names. These are necessary for not only linking purposes, but also for search purposes. I guess the question really is how true to game documentation do you want to stay? And Munin, I'm sorry if I misunderstood what you were proposing on Kizzy's talk page. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  14:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * "The proper way to rename an article is to first … change all links to the improperly capitalized page, and then … use the move function to rename the article…" Shouldn't that be the other way around? If you change the links first (hundreds often), they'll be pointing at nothing until you finally move the page, but if you move the page first, all the links will still get to the moved page through the created redirect while you're fixing them. You can still get to the list of links that need to be re-written from the redirected page, right?


 * Also, shouldn't Glowstone Block actually be MOVED to Glowstone (the actual name of the block in the player's inventory), rather than Glowstone block? Currently, Glowstone redirects to Glowstone (disambiguation), a disambiguation page with only two entries, and both of those articles already refer to each other with an about template. I just want to check I understand correctly before I start moving articles and redirecting hundreds of links (I don't suppose there's some automated way to re-write links to a moved page, is there?). --Munin295 17:25, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with Munin; updating the links first doesn't make much sense to me, and I've never seen any experienced editor do it that way.
 * Many of the hundreds of links should be auto-added by Blocks, so updating that template should eliminate a *lot* of the links to the old title. You may also want to look at [ what templates link to "Glowstone Block"] ;)
 * Our disambiguation page system is horrible, but I've never taken the time to say anything about it. First, in cases where a dabpage would only list two or three pages, it should probably be foregone in favor of about templates at the top of the relevant pages. Second, it has never made sense to me to *require* dabpages to have the "(disambiguation)" qualifier in their page title, even when it means there's a redirect to them from the qualifier-less, "base" title - if a title doesn't have an obvious primary topic, just put the dabpage there. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:01, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm starting to realize that the issue of in-game names may be complicated (or else the wiki is badly out-of-date in a few cases). For example, the item the wiki calls redstone dust is simply called "Redstone" in the player's inventory (but the data values article names the item correctly). And if I /give myself block 55, which the wiki calls redstone wire, the player's inventory calls it "Redstone Dust". If articles should be named for what the player sees and might search in the wiki for, should issues like these be corrected too? (I mean, in an ideal world where everyone has lots of time and interest to tackle this stuff)

From a previous discussion on article names, it looks like in-game names for article titles may have been originally taken from the Too Many Items mod and thus article titles may need to be updated to reflect the existence of "true" names in in-game tool tips now.

And Wynthyst, I'm starting to come around to your opinion that article capitalization should match in-game capitalization -- as long as there are sentence-case re-directs to those pages (when necessary) to make linking easy, that makes sense to me. They may not be proper nouns, but they are terms of art. And the fact is that when members of the wiki community create new pages, they inevitably create them in title case. The consensus of the style guide discussion may have been for sentence case, but the consensus of actual practice has been for title case. Sticking to the sentence case guideline would require educating every new member about why it's important and/or constant vigilance by people who care about capitalization. --Munin295 19:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Many of the issues with naming start with problems in how Mojang has named items in game. They aren't the only developers that have this problem. Many of the inconsistencies arise as new content is added etc. As has been pointed out, the in game labels don't always match the data values, etc. This is why we have to do our best to make it as easy as possible for users to find the correct articles. This starts, in my opinion, by naming items exactly as they are labeled in game, where possible. This is the first way that people are going to search for more information on that particular item. Second, develop a clear and concise disambigulation system, which as Dino points out is something this wiki has to this point failed to do. As for the redirects, generally speaking, those come in time regardless. What I suggest is that those of you who are truly interested in this area create a project It is a relatively large job, and should include members of our international communities so all of the language wikis can stay up to date with the same standards. While I don't mind having this discussion on my talk page, it might be more visible to a larger number of editors if it were to continue on a project page, or even the Minecraft Wiki:Community portal. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  08:38, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Since the Style Guide is what started this, I think the discussion should go there. IF the style guide is what is going to be the vehicle for all of these naming issues. Otherwise start a specific Naming conventions guide that can be included as a part of the style guide. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  00:01, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

A problem downloading .svg files
Hello Wynthyst:

I'm a translator in Chinese wiki. Lately I failed to download an original .svg files I was planning to translate, when the system presents a 404 error saying "The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable".

This problem doesn't appear while downloading files in other formats, and it seems "inter-minecraftwiki". Can this be fixed?

Thanks! ——Keeeeymann（Talk） 12:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Witch page had something happen to it
I'm really sorry to bother you again, but the combat section of the witch page had something happen to it. (Vandalisim, maybe?) But the text scared me a little bit. It said, "THE SITE HAVE BEEN HACKED BY 17:54, 30 November 2012 (UTC)217.209.213.18" Has the site really been hacked? Creepergoboom64 23:43, 1 December 2012 (UTC)Creepergoboom64


 * It's been fixed already. You don't need to report every instance of vandalism directly to me, you can actually fix it by going into the page history and comparing the most recent edits, finding the bad edit, and undoing it. It's the entire community's responsibility to keep the site clean and current, not just the administrators. If you see someone vandalizing a lot of pages, you can report it on the Minecraft Wiki:Admin noticeboard which is linked in the left nav bar. That way that user can be dealt with by and admin. Otherwise, just fix the vandalism and enjoy the rest of your visit! -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  23:58, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


 * We have no evidence to suggest this was anything more than your average act of wiki vandalism. The page history is showing nothing that couldn't be done just by clicking the edit button. If someone had vandalized the database directly, it seems absurdly unlikely they'd go to the trouble of inserting entries in the page history (or, for that matter, limit to their vandalism to some random page). Speaking more broadly, we have no evidence that the wiki or the site has been compromised. The claim is almost certainly just the IP's attempt to get attention, which was obviously successful in this case. Eyes 00:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Admins
Orthotope had a very good point on Talk:Painting: while I'm still active, as I said there, I'm something like two months behind on edits here; Ultradude has been on an unannounced wikibreak for roughly as long; and Quatro... I'm not sure what's up with him; he's back from his trip to China, but hasn't picked up editing again hardly at all, much less at his pre-trip levels (I'm not as familiar with Kizzy's situation, so I don't know what's going on there, and Oliver is mostly active on the German wiki; IKJames hasn't edited at all since last year). Given this, it may be an idea to start looking at potential candidates for another couple of admins or so, to help pick back up some of the slack. I've personally always been pretty impressed with Orthotope's knowledge and work on the wiki, for what that's worth. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 09:15, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm always open to suggestions for new admins. And yes, I agree we need to get a few more in place. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  09:16, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool. =) Unfortunately, that's about all I feel comfortable offering in terms of recommendations; a side effect of being behind is that I haven't had much of a chance to take note of editors more recently that look to be potential admin material. =/ 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 09:20, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I took the "now stop, both of you" the wrong way. Sorry about that. Anyways, while it would be an honor to take up some admin duties, I'm actually leaving December 4th on a work trip and won't be back until the end of February 2013. Since I'm relatively active, I thought I would put an inactive msgbox on my pages. I'm still relatively new here, so I don't think I'm prime material for an admin, not yet anyways. I would like to submit my suggestions for admins based on who I've seen would be great though. Would you like them publicly or over email?  15:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Email would probably be best. wynthyst"at"gmail.com -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:01, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to reply to dino, I've gone back into education at uni, in a creative course. I am also studying up on driving. I would check during uni, like I did with college, but they've blocked the wiki :c
 * I did not realise just how bad the situation was. there are 2 semi-active admins (myself included), and 1 active admin (dino), and wyn and citric, who both have other projects they're doing, for a wiki that serves the better part of millions of users per month. probably higher! --Kizzycocoa 00:52, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That sucks (the blocked-the-wiki bit, not the back-into-education bit, obviously ;) ), I hope you can find a way around it or something. =/
 * The situation is actually a bit worse than that: I'm also one of the main admins on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia (and the main template wrangler, to boot), and am also just as behind there as I am here, so my attention is divided on top of everything else. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)