Template talk:Items

items-individual pages?
I believe the items should have individual pages. there simply too many items to group in tools, materials etc. thoughts?--Kizzycocoa 08:27, 9 November 2010 (CST)
 * I agree, if there's enough to say about an item to warrant its own page. Some of them might only be a line or two of text? DannyF1966 08:37, 9 November 2010 (CST)
 * The lack of information for each tools (we really can't have dozens of pages with barely any lines of text) is an issue here. I think we should clean up the existing pages instead, i.e. add links to related pages and such.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 14:39, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * My suggestions:
 * Coal needs its own item page. It currently redirects to the ore block page.
 * Record should be split up into Gold Record and Green Record, it is very likely that there will be more record types available with future updates (See Tutorials/Minecraft Sound Directory)
 * Same with Apples: Red Apple and Golden Apple
 * Not sure about Armor, but it would make sense, too.
 * --Barracuda 14:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

--- What about flint?

Records/Music section?
I think it would be best to have Records in their own section; they are an item with a specific use. Plus, there is likely to be more of them in the future. --Fishrock123 08:45, 10 November 2010 (CST)
 * Forgot Signature. --Fishrock123 08:45, 10 November 2010 (CST)
 * I think this would be a good idea now, as notch confirmed in his blog that there will be 15 music discs in the next beta version, 1.6 Piber20 00:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * He never said that; he said that the record player will support more than 15 different songs in 1.6. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Template with images available for review
As with the Blocks template, I've put a version of this template on my user page so that people can see what it looks like and decide if we want to include the images. DannyF1966 04:23, 10 November 2010 (CST)
 * It looks amazing. ADD IT :P--Kizzycocoa 10:24, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Aaaand done :-) DannyF1966 05:11, 10 November 2010 (CST)
 * Looks great, but I'd use the iron version of the weapons, armors and tools. I think it will then look more decent and neutral, compared to the current "look here, diamond!" style :D --Barracuda 13:13, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I used the diamond ones because the infoboxes show diamond tools as well, feel free to change it if you think it'll look better though :-) DannyF1966 07:53, 10 November 2010 (CST)
 * I added diamond ones as obsidian required it. an iron pick was misleading for putting onto the obsidian page.--Kizzycocoa 08:01, 10 November 2010 (CST)
 * The side-effect it that it looks like you need a diamond shovel to dig dirt.. maybe the infobox template needs updating to show different coloured tools as necessary (i.e. wood shovel for dirt, iron pickaxe for diamonds) DannyF1966 08:07, 10 November 2010 (CST)
 * The gist I got when I suggested that was no-one could be asked to do it. and I too could not be asked XP mainly due to editing the block template. god, that's a pain I broke it 9+ times.--Kizzycocoa 14:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I could give it a go :-) Is the "tool to use" section supposed to be the minimum tool or the recommended tool? Because the minimum tool for some blocks is actually the player's arm! DannyF1966 14:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * the reccommended tool.--Kizzycocoa 14:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case it's best left as is, because diamond is the best tool for the job if you've got it. I don't want to fall into the trap of recommending a stone tool for something and then have someone else argue it should be iron or diamond. DannyF1966 14:24, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I was looking at the Template:Items and Template:Blocks and they look GREAT. As far as the tool topic, what about updating it to list all levels that work, so Obsidian would only have diamond, but dirt could list them all, but ores would only list iron and up, so that as people look at it they know all the tools that work, since some have a minimum of something other then wood (or even arm).  Just an idea, but I know when I first started out, what the minimum tool needed was something I messed up sometimes.  Rafiki2085 22:34, 11 November 2010 (CST)

Are Reeds an item?
Would Reeds be considered an item? I know it is placeable as a block, but it has an item-esquire Inventory/Held render. --Fishrock123 09:06, 10 November 2010 (CST)


 * Seeds, too.


 * Frankly I reckon it'd be best just to merge this template with the blocks one, as nearly all blocks can be held as items - therefore, you've got "place-able items" (blocks), and "non-place-able items" (as contained in this template). Can't speak for other users, but if I see something like Wheat in a template area, I expect easy access to something like Crops (and Seeds!) as well.


 * Which is why I've added grilled fish, gold apples, and arrows. Yes, these items are covered on other pages already linked by the template, but users don't have psychic powers in order to know that - plus the use of image thumbnails make the page links look like they lead to specific articles (as opposed to ambiguous groups of items). - Bomb Bloke 01:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Merging the items template and the blocks one will make it too big, in my opinion. And it's only going to get bigger as the game is developed and more objects are added to it. --DannyF1966 03:09, 12 November 2010 (CST)


 * Perhaps, then, a page that shows both templates, which is also linked by both templates? Eg, "All Objects"? - Bomb Bloke 04:52, 12 November 2010 (CST)

Another row?
Me and some friends all agree that the Raw Materials row on this template should become 2 rows so you don't have to scroll to the right to see everything (when using a small monitor, laptop, etc), and it'll look neater anyway. What do you all think? EDIT: sorry, forgot sig! Chris32 19:59, 27 February 2011 (UTC)


 * It should wrap to prevent horizontal scrolling - it does for me, at least, regardless of how much (or little) room it has. What browser and OS are you using, and what is your screen resolution? 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:28, 27 February 2011 (UTC)


 * My screen is set to 1680x1050 and i am using the latest Internet Explorer 9 release canidate. Chris32 01:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * This template does not cause scroll at any resolution. The Raw materials is two rows. This is a problem with your browser, or configuration, not the template. It is most likely because you are using a beta of IE. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]]  talk  02:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well you see IE9, while having a slightly nicer UI and being very fast for rendering, is still just as crap as every other IE released before it. Do yourself a favour and download Firefox or Chrome so the half the Internet doesn't show up broken for you. – ultradude25 ( T at 02:54, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * To their credit, Microsoft does seem to have finally stopped pretending they own the internet and have actually made some good strides towards improving standards compliance in IE. It's just a shame it's too little too late; there are plenty of IE hacks we'll have to live with for the next 20 years because of how ubiquitous IE 6, 7, and 8 are (and the fact they decided to drop support for XP in IE 8+ certainly doesn't help matters any).
 * All that being said, I just checked myself, and can confirm that this template (and Blocks) is definitely broken in IE; this is because these templates rely entirely on hardcoded CSS for their appearance, instead of having the appropriate styles in MediaWiki:Common.css. I understand why you don't like IE, Ultradude, but your disdain is no excuse to alienate those users who do use IE for whatever reason (remember that many of them may not have a choice in the matter). 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Where's your sign?
I noticed the items template lacks signs, which I think qualify as items. The template itself even appears on the 'sign' page. Should they be placed in the template under decorations? I think that best describes them. B0Boman 05:52, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I noticed the entire 'Decorations' category doesn't make sense. Beds and doors are very much on the useful side of things. Also, the page it links to, Decorations_(creative), is about 2d intersecting sprites. It covers flowers and mushrooms and saplings extensively -- these things aren't even in the Decorations category. So there's a disconnect that can either be resolved by changing the "Decorations" page, or creating a new one that covers the current set of 'Decorations', or by renaming the category to describe the contents of said category...like Miscellaneous, or something. -- Minerspec 02:52, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Map icon
A map icon exists. Will the blank one in the template for Map be changed? Dunny 07:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Good question - I'd fix it if I had any clue how :) --Warlock 22:02, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

IE9 Problem with Template
The scaling doesn't work on IE9 for some weird reason. It just barely fits the screen at 1920x1080 resolution. --KaizenNeko 23:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


 * See above. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Items vs. Blocks
So looking at both of these templates, I'm wondering if several entries are in the correct template. Someone just reverted Trapdoors being under Template:Items, and yet Doors are still there. Some appear on both templates (ex: Signs, Torches, etc). Some that maybe should be blocks (they take up physical space in the world) only appear under items (ex: Beds, Paintings, etc). So what's the deal? What is considered "correct?" --Warlock 22:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The distinction of "items" vs. "blocks" is unfortunately mostly clear-cut but shows some implemementation details.

From an implementation perspective, a "block" is a resource that, when you are holding it, has the same internal numeric ID as when it is placed in the world (see data values), whereas an "item" is a resource that has an ID which cannot be a block ID (>256). However, some items can be placed and then create blocks. This is usually when the item takes some extra action (redstone updating) or creates a multi-block shape (doors and beds), and such items are marked with I on the data values table.

So, this mostly corresponds to a user perspective that blocks are things that can be placed in the world and items are things that can't. Thus the possibility of dispute or confusion. Doors are technically items, but trapdoors are not (presumably because they only occupy one block). —KPReid 00:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

shears?
Can someone give me a citation for this? –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yurisho (Talk 12:46, 3 June 2011. Please sign your posts with
 * Deleted until the page is created and sources given. – Scaler (t) 11:05, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Look at the Upcoming features page. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 11:11, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Ha, Who would have though...this was real...>http://twitter.com/#!/jeb_/status/7657064607476531
 * apparently this is Swedish like gyberish about adding shears...thanks for KingOfMuffins who added this in the upcoming features page.
 * P.S: sorry for not signing.--Yurisho 11:16, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT:ninja'd

Informational?
Should we put the clock, map, compass and maybe signs into an informational category? It would make more sense IMO. --{ Fishrock123 } ( Talk ) 21:54, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think your right....I'm making new template suggestions in my page, I'll do that as well and send it as a suggestion with the rest of th changes I want to make.--Yurisho 18:45, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

adding Experience Orb?
I don't know if the Experience Orb is "confirmed enough" to enter this page at this stage, as it might in the end be complete fan fiction...BUT it does have a good base...--Yurisho 16:37, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

music discs
We should make a unique link to the records page, as has been done for the flowers, mushrooms and doors; if the disks have two separate links (but that lead to the same page), we should do the same for the items that I mentioned above. --Ua 08:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. Make the edit if you'd like, and we'll see if it sticks (be sure to point to the talk page here in your edit summary). =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:22, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

New Food items
Can you guys like take the pictures we have and add them to the corresponding link?Link crop the photos and add them to the picture, so we can put them on the template?And let's make a future section on Cooked Porkchop with the new texture if that hasn't been done already. Sorry for the lack of punctuation, i'm short on time.Yours truly, Ajc_1254 21:12, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Music Disc Wars
WHAT THE CRAP DOES 'CLEAR YOUR CACHE' MEAN!?From Moi,Ajc_1254! 23:35, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * wikipedia:MediaWiki:Clearyourcache and wikipedia:Wikipedia:Bypass your cache. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * In non linked, basic terms it means ctrl+F5 or, go into your browser options and clear your cache. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  01:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Water and lava buckets
Time ago, I've added the links to the water bucket and lava bucket sections, but they were deleted because there isn't a separate page for them (water bucket and lava bucket respectively have sctions in Water and Lava pages). I think that this reason for not putting the links doesn't make sense: there isn't an Arrow page (it have a section in the bow page), but in this template there is the link. Anyway, I put the links and if you don't want them write a reason here. --Ua 12:53, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * --Yurisho 13:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Magma Cube Slimeballs?
Although the Magma Cubes do not drop these mysterious items, they appear in the 1.9pre items.png underneath the normal slime balls. Could these be the magma cube balls? i dont have the permissions to make a page, add it to the template, or even provide a screenshot but you can look for yourself in the items.png (1.9pre) Er1c1996 17:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think they's used for Blaze's fireballs. unsure. --Kizzycocoa 17:36, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ghast fireballs too, I believe. Shellface 17:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * My bad, they are the fireballs, I will rename the page to Fireball and add info about it being from Ghasts and Blazes. But even the fireball could be added under technical items, i believe. Er1c1996 17:47, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Alchemy?
Maybe we should group the items that are used purely (or primarily) for alchemy? It would be practically all items from Planned section + items that are available but unused in Beta, like slimeball? (yeah, I know Pistons. Screw them.)MaxKing 22:39, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes and no, Yes for alchemy group, no for adding items like slimeball to it because they are only an ingredient of an alchemical ingredient, not an actual part of alchemy.--Yurisho 23:14, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Merging "Manufactured" and "Decoration and Utility"
I don't see the difference between those two groups. I think we should merge them. – Scaler (t) 17:40, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Missing "Lapis Lazuli (Dye)" icon
Is there a reason it is missing? The icon exists on its own page.

-- PeterPanic (not yet registered), 20 March 2012
 * Fixed. -- Orthotope 20:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

RE: Bottle o' Enchanting and Chain Armor
Why are these items being recategorized to "Planned"? Bottle o' Enchanting and Chain Armor are both currently in the most recent official version of Minecraft. As of the most recent official version, these are both items that can be only found in Creative mode, and this does not make them "Planned". Since these items are currently in the game, and just because they can be legitimately obtained in a future version does not make them "Planned". ISQ Talk 19:27, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Because in the next update you can get them form trading with villagers.--007a83 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 21:05, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I get that it's "planned" to be added to survival mode, but I think the planned category should be reserved for new items. Otherwise we'd also have to have an "unplanned" category for whenever a block is moved out of survival mode to creative mode in a snapshot (the next one will remove emerald ore generation for example), and it just generally ends up messy. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 22:06, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree. It also may confuse readers as to whether or not an object is planned to be added or if there is a new way to obtain an object already in the game. ISQ Talk 22:22, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Cactus
How come Cactus isn't listed under plants? It's a plant, it can be harvested, and it grows. Gopher65talk 16:20, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Not an item. –ultradude25 (T&#124;C) at 20:53, 29 July 2012 (UTC)