Minecraft Wiki talk:Community portal/Archive 6

Project files images
Hi! There are some project files images such as File:Template1.png, File:ItemslistV110.png, File:DataValuesBeta.png? Photoshop project or Gimp or anything else? And if someone could share it? It's very useful to translate.  Lewandowski pl.Wiki Admin   talk  16:37, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Where should I put this?
Drenay 04:20, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


 * corrently there is no errors page, you may want to make a paragraph about errors in the bugs page.--Yurisho 05:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Custom
Would it be a good idea if there was a section/page in this wiki that allowed users to add their own ideas for Minecraft? You know, new mobs or new kind of blocks. --Zippy 10:45, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * We currently do not support suggestions for the game nor are there any plans to in the future. The Forum is the much better place for those kinds of things. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  10:47, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Or even better, go tweet them to Notch, Jeb, etc. so if thy are good ideas, they may come true some day! | TheKax |   Talk   07:35, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

passive mobs needs edit
Note the pages of the passive mobs needs to be edited to fit the wiki's standard, I don't have the power to do it right now, and wouldn't want to do it alone anyways, so please help a little.--Yurisho 10:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

redirect template
How about adding a redirect template to this wiki, that will say: "A redirects here, for B, see C"--Yurisho 16:11, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, tell me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it do that automatically? | TheKax |   Talk   08:01, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Swedish translation
Now, the page for Swedisch translation is finished! All Sweds and others who talk Swedish are welcome! Platina 06:20, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Stop with the youtube videos!!!
Please guys, Use youtube videos only on tutorial pages, or official mojang videos, please! admins can't you make a rule about this???--Yurisho 11:49, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh lol there is a rule...--Yurisho 11:50, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There is not only a rule, there is a POLICY. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  12:32, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Hebrew translation editing problems
There is a problem to translate pages to Hebrew because Hebrew is written from right-to-left, and a common problem with that is that when Hebrew and English are written together in one line it creates a mess, if the text editor does not support it, so people like me who wants to contribute to the translation - can't, because it is just too convoluted. I believe I am not the only one here who asks for a plug-in that will solve this problem, Thanks.--Yurisho 20:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

good building ideas
Scott619 10:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC) one thing i do when i bild a safe house i place 60 or so blocks of cacktis around it to stop the creepers.

wiki youtube channel
I was searched in youtube "minecraft wiki" and found a few people who made videos for the wiki, the problem is that all this videos were against the policy, mostly by having people talking in them. So I thought we should have an official youtube channel that will be made as an official source of videos on this wiki. The idea is that people will send the channel admin videos, and he will examine if they meet the policy, and that they are not tutorials about stuff that doesn't need a video(how to craft X,Y,Z, etc.) and if they are OK, he will upload them, and thous videos can be used in the wiki without worrying that it is against the policy. If the admins are OK with it I am willing to be the channel admin.--Yurisho 08:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't see much problems about people talking, but some people can't understand spoken english good (like me). Speaking is OK if there are subtitles, IMO. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 08:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem with voice tracks is that they are then unsuitable to be used on the other language wikis. As for an official channel, it is something that is being considered. I do appreciate you volunteering to be the channel admin, and it will definitely be taken into consideration. The use of embedded videos on the wiki is something we are just beginning to explore, so there are a lot of things to be thought about. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  09:19, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Would subtitles be okay? Then, the subtitles could be translated and put as a subtitle option for that video. Drenay 18:48, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Reverting several edits at once
I don't see why reverting several edits at once is not allowed for users (or at least autoconfirmed users). Why disallow it, when you can still revert many edits at once using another method, but which by default does not include any "change summary" ?

The method is to go in "View history", then select the latest and the older revision to revert to, then compare them, then click "edit" from the older revision, then save. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 18:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Dutch translation
Any need for a dutch translation? If so, I would love to help translating Minecraftwiki. --Dutchpowert
 * Please sign your comments! You can find the Dutch wiki over here. Your help will be appreciated!--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  22:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Rule proposal: No info, no screenshot = No article
More and more articles have been showing up that have been based on single tweets by Mojang AB members. How awesome ideas may be, just because something gets mentioned in a tweet once doesn't mean it'll be added let alone considered.

Adding a rule that prohibits the creation of articles that are based solely on these tweets would help a lot in maintaining the Wiki's quality as well as keep it more updated; Requiring sufficient information as well as solid visual proof of new content would be a good solution for this.

My idea is to add the rule "No info, no screenshot = No article". If something gets tweeted about a lot but doesn't bring up screenshots (i.e. lanterns) it'd would be an exception on this because there is plenty of information available, and vice-versa although only screenshots would then again build up speculation. The main idea is to maintain quality throughout our articles.

Please leave your thoughts and comments.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  11:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree. Those articles are semi-useless and tend to collect all kinds of fanfic info and speculation. However, such info about new stuff mentioned in a single tweet should not be completely omitted. How about a single article, named something like "Unconfirmed features"... Or something, where every "unconfirmed" (that is, "no screenshot, not much info"-features) would have their own category, with the available info. And then add redirects from experience orb, spikes, etc. to the "unconfirmed features". This would allow us to contain info of the new stuff as well as eliminate most of useless stubs. Thoughts about this? | TheKax |   Talk   16:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Information that developers release that obviously isn't a joke (I still can't believe someone made a Hamburger article) should not be entirely discounted. The Upcoming Features article seems too definite for features that are so in development that they are very likely to change, so an article following the development of new things would help proliferate the knowledge of updates.  I know quite a few people that are not able to follow the Twitter and Google+ accounts of developers but would still like to know what to expect in future patches.  It is, after all, data that is contained in a version of Minecraft even if that version is only known to the developers.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 16:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree, and I also agree with your lanterns example. If there is sufficient information for an article, but not a screenshot, I think that's probably ok.  But there would probably need to be more information in that case than if say, you had a screenshot + info.


 * As for another article, I don't think that's necessary - we have Upcoming Features already which is probably fine. Ultimately I'd even say if all the information for an item can fit just fine on that page (i.e. it's a sentence or two, no screenshot), then yeah, leave it there.  No need for a new page.


 * Edit: Regarding "only screenshots" - I would say that depends on what it is.  For example, the "ruins/stronghold" bricks, yeah, you could make an article for those that say probably almost everything a finished article would say.  Even without specific info, it's obvious what they are.  Tall Grass is another example - Notch just released a screenshot, but it was obvious what it was from that.  Then on the other hand, you have something like the "Dry Sugar Cane" debacle where no one knows what the hell it is and everyone has different opinions on it (I still say there is no way in hell that was in any form a type of Sugar Cane :P).  So I'd say - rule of thumb, if you can't tell definitively what it is from the screenshot (and maybe you don't have the exact right name, but it's close), there shouldn't be an article.  --Warlock 16:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * , we had long discussion at some articles, too. (Yes, we also write our own). Therefore, I support the proposal. Guessing games can be held in the forum. -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 22:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think the upcoming features page will do it too, we just need to keep it clean and tidy, since I've seen some speculations slip in there sometimes. And if a sentence or two isn't enough, then it will probably deserve an article. | TheKax |   Talk   08:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * - This rule is definitely good, but about the lanterns, I don't think they should be conserved, even if they have a good amount of info (most info is speculation: torches will probably not burn out but lanterns will be a new style of torch), there are no screenshots (proof that Mojang works on them), then they should be removed. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 18:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that info came directly from Notch. The plan was always to have torches burn out and lanterns would be the "permanent" torch.  But I think he stopped liking that idea. Looking at the page right now, none of that is speculation - it's all stuff Notch said.  It's probably no longer true, but it's not speculation.
 * Edit: Minecraft_Halloween_Update <- original source for most of that info --Warlock 18:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the rule should be no info AND no screenshot. See "More underwater content" which was announced in February, still no pictures of new underwater stuff... C ali nou - talk × contribs » 23:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

IRC link in sidebar
It's broke-ed. I think the new link at MediaWiki:Sidebar should be http://www.minecraftforum.net/irc instead. --JonTheMon 20:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed it! Got rid of the Skins link too since that was dead too.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  21:18, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Woot! --JonTheMon 01:09, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * （・∀・） --Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  01:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Portuguese TRanslation.
Hello. I wonder how I can access a portuguese portal or if there is no way, if I can create and help develop the portal...

I am a member of the Portuguese community of minecraft and the fact that there is no information in portuguese is boring...

Cathal Foster 16:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * See Minecraft Wiki/ptbr and Minecraft Wiki:Projects/PTBR Translation. Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 17:13, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism
User Terrysteven vandalized the page Steak.

ElementalChaos 19:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

English or American english?
We sorta need to get a uniformity going in the wiki. this is an issue in many wikis, and needs to be corrected.

What type of english do we use? American or English?

I personally, of course, choose British English, though I know the majority of readers are american. so it's an issue of origin versus popularity.

thoughts? votes? --Kizzycocoa 15:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * American English, because the majority of users are American, Curse is an American company and the servers are located in America. (as far as I know)--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  15:11, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I am going to vote for American English simply because it is easier for Firefox users. The default installed Firefox autocorrect dictionary prefers American English, even in the Great Britain version, or so I have read.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 15:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Also voting American English - it's what the majority of people are used to and frankly, if you went British English people would just be correcting articles anyways (because no one bothers to read the rules :P) --Warlock 15:21, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I vote British English, simply because I automatically spell that way. Especially when describing the colour of things, or what behaviour they display. :D DreadLindwyrm 15:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * There was already a discussion on the date format that should be used, and I believe whatever language that is used, it should be the same as that language's date format, or all dates are changed to an international standard, or at least an internationally readable format (DD Month-Name YYYY).
 * I, of course, will vote for British English, as this is a wiki, it is generally considered best to use the most formal language (even small things like saying it is instead of it's). Remember that "American English" is just a lazy version of British English. It is even slightly similar to txt speech, which while much more lazy and severe than what American English has done, American English is still removing letters from normal words with the only reason to make them quicker to type or write, which is the same and very popular concept of txt speech. – ultradude25 ( T at 19:48, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Note the vast, vast differences between the Wikipedia pages for American English and SMS Language or Internet Slang. American English is a dialect in its own right, containing a large amount of unique words (not abbreviated phrases).  As far as calling British English the most formal language, I'm going to have to say:   :)    Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 20:04, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem is I'm extremely biased against American English, because I hate America for being childish with this whole "we have to be independent and not do anything the same as anyone else" nonsense (which is ironically making me be childish about it). Things would be a lot simpler if America just stuck with normal English, and didn't use outdated measurements like Fahrenheit.  – ultradude25 ( T at 17:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It makes discussions like these pop up on all of the wikis. :T And Scaler does have a good point. (Possibly a discussion-resolving point?)  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 17:39, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * You realize Britian has its own crazy system of measurements too, right? --Warlock 17:43, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't like Britain's money system, I don't actually know what measurements they use, but at least they use normal temperatures. – ultradude25 ( T at 00:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Britain has the same 'money system' as america - we have 100p (uk cents) in one pound (UK dollar) and we have notes for £5 and up. The only differences are names, that america uses 25¢ coins instead of 20p coins, and that notes start with $1. We also do not have a crazy system - for distance we use miles and feet (in fact, this is the official standard but at home half of people use metres and km), but everything else (weight, volume, temp etc) is metric. What is crazy about that, after all you have units in groups of 12s or 3s or even 1760s! Jaredjeya 07:07, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Isn't Minecraft using American English (gray instead of grey)? I think it could be confusing to have the games terms in American English and the rest of the page in British English. – Scaler (t) 20:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It may use American English but all measurements are metric Jaredjeya 07:09, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't see what that has to do with anything. Metric is not tied to one particular variant of English (it originated in France, not Britain, for that matter), and it's an international standard; using any other measurement system would only create ambiguity, at least in some situations for some people. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 13:37, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I vote for American English. Mainly because it's the english I learned and know how to write. Ok, you can say now, that you would correct it to British English. But thats a lot of work. But I know too, that there are people who have time to do such things. The other point is the thing Scaler highlighted. –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Freaktechnik (Talk . Please sign your posts with


 * I think it does not matter as long as we don't use british terms like trolley or american terms like a la mode. not that anyone would really use either of those on the minecraft wiki, but most american people understand grey and colour and most british people understand gray and color. Also in terms of measurements we should use the metric system because minecraft uses meters. Also what is everyone talking about with the british being more formal? You guys use contractions too- right?

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 * "à la mode" is not american it's french ^^". I agree to use the metric system. – Scaler (t) 20:05, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * American English is the Curse standard. That being said however, British English is also acceptable, and not something that should be hunted down and changed, nor should any use be reprimanded or reverted for using it. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  00:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I would !vote for American English, since that's what Minecraft seems to use, though I should also point out that I am American myself. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 13:37, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe American English for the main wiki, but possibly a translation subspace for British English? CosmoConsole 	 my page! my talk! my contributions! 17:18, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I vote English; as in, the original one ;P But tbh, I don't think it's that big a deal which variant of the language we use, as long as we dont start writing pages in Punjabi or Jamaican English and *really* confuse readers :P Masked Turk 23:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ooh, we should totally start using Lojban! =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:37, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

"American English is the Curse standard." Well, that just answers it, doesn't it? - Apollyna (T 19:20, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

I'd prefer British English, and heres why. Firstly, about 15% of the wiki is (and myself) british. If american british editors would like, they can still use, say, jello instead of jelly, but please just stick to it is instead of it's and that.. Jedi in, um, I forgot. 09:01, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You seem not to really know what you're saying... "American British editors"? And (at least to the best of my knowledge, having lived in America for the past 22.5 of my 23 years) no American uses "jelly" to refer to "Jello". Lastly, using the contraction "it's" or its expanded form "it is" is not a matter of American versus British English, but rather the formality of the context: in comments such as this, you can use contractions to your heart's content, but for articles, they should be avoided for many of the same reasons first- and second-person should be avoided. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:04, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

British English is the proper language and it came first END

Notch/Mojang Watch?
I think it's time to devise a new plan.... Not every little item mentioned by Notch or the rest of Mojang in tweets, and blogs will become a part of Minecraft, yet people seem to believe that everything needs a page. I suggest we create a single page where this stuff can be listed, and the links to the tweets and comments can be posted for future reference. If and when we have confirmation that an item is coming in a patch, or has actually been added to the game, THEN the information can be used to create a page.... Opinions? -- Wynthyst  talk  00:36, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A huge list of citations with the references along with it should be workable.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  01:22, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * To quote my response two topics above:

The Upcoming Features article seems too definite for features that are so in development that they are very likely to change, so an article following the development of new things would help proliferate the knowledge of updates. I know quite a few people that are not able to follow the Twitter and Google+ accounts of developers but would still like to know what to expect in future patches. It is, after all, data that is contained in a version of Minecraft even if that version is only known to the developers.
 * --Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 02:38, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I follow Notch's Twitter feed religiously, and I have excellent bullshit sensors - I can almost always tell when he's just joking around about some feature or another (cue hotdog tweet) - so I could help out in that regard. Does anyone do the same for Jeb's Twitter feed? 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, Jeb knows about this particular issue since I told him about it once on the IRC. Either way I've got him followed too and it's pretty easy to filter out the jokes and stuff.


 * We can probably make a big page of references using grouped references; . If we'd then just group a lot of twitter messages, Google+, /r/Minecraft and other links, we'd probably get a rather clear overview of all citations made by Mojang.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  08:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I think we should make this happen... sooner rather than later??? -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Any suggestions for an article title? 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:10, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm already working on a draft, I decided that Citations, references and sources would be a good title.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  18:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

help with beta
i got beta about a week ago and i was trying to load it today and it wont load :( –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jordan9839 (Talk. Please sign your posts with


 * Please clarify. CosmoConsole 	<font color="#D2691E"> my page! my talk! my contributions! 17:05, 19 August 2011 (UTC)