Talk:Official pages/Java Edition unintuitive ID list

Suggested
(dont know if theyre already mentioned) – Nixinova   06:46, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Shulker color IDs - currently 0–16, should be named.
 * block tags - "anvil" should be "anvils", "wool" should be "wools"; "impermeable"→"glass" (maybe)


 * The color NBT for shulkers (and wolves, sheep, cats, and banner patterns) aren’t IDs currently; but the same could be said about translation keys. I may add them later, but for now I’m not adding them.
 * As for the block tags:
 * * Anvil -> anvils is already listed
 * * Wools is not correct English ("I have a bunch of wool")
 * * Impermeable may currently only contain glass, but the block tag’s usage is for not making liquid drip particles, and as such can contain any other kind of block at any moment, such as sea lanterns (There’s actually a bug report of that missing in the block tag).
 * FVbico (talk) 07:10, 23 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Tags should be singular. Even though they represent a collection of items, they are used in recipe matching, where plurals do not make sense. liach (talk) 23:23, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion
Hello. Description for #immune_to_withers says that "It's specifically the ender dragon, also plural". Wither is the Ender Dragon? This needs to be changed. I suggest "Plural". Thank you. User-26266344 (talk) 04:35, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up. I copy paste and alter new entries, so sometimes the description manages to slip through. I have corrected the description now. FVbico (talk) 05:03, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Template for entries?
Maybe we can add a template for this page, so that you can just do (for example), opinions? FVbico (talk) 09:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


 * That seems more verbose than just using plain table formatting. – Nixinova Nixinova sig1.png Nixinova sig2.png 09:27, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Fair point. FVbico (talk) 09:31, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Straw bale
Just sounds weird. Maybe have something like "Wheat Block"? "Hay bale" is a commonly used term, though, so maybe remove this entry altogether. – Nixinova   09:27, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


 * That's the actual thing though. It's not hay, so the current name is actually plain wrong. Wheat block could work, but this is quite clearly meant to be a staw bale due to the ropes on the block, if those didn't exist, I'd indeed suggest "Wheat Block". FVbico (talk) 09:31, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Block States
The rationale for all three items in "Block States" is "Consistency with slabs." But slabs are half-blocks; each of these other objects spans two blocks, so "top" and "bottom" don't make as much sense for them as analogues, particularly for beds. Actually if we want one set of terms for all, "lower" and "upper" would be better, as those terms would make sense for everything here: beds, doors, two-block-high plants, and even slabs. &#8212; Memetics talk &#124; edits 08:07, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I need to double check something before I can properly reply to this, but I can tell you that I talked about these with a dev back when I was still a mojira mod. FVbico (talk) 08:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


 * There, double checked the texture files, and they too use "top" and "bottom" for those blocks (not beds for obvious reasons, but then consistency would be really good.)FVbico (talk) 09:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Then the texture file names should be changed. It's pretty obviously not like slabs, otherwise your head would be over your legs. I removed it from the page, while providing a reason, but someone undid that. Does anyone know why? Fabian42 (talk) 17:08, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * "(not beds for obvious reasons, but then consistency would be really good.)" Beds would be the only remaining 1 part block that uses a different naming, which makes it inconsistent with the rest. The block state does not say something about the entity in a bed, but the bed itself, the head half is the top half so to speak. FVbico (talk) 17:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


 * That's like saying that North is "up". No, it's not. It's not the "top" half. Fabian42 (talk) 22:49, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Something
I am not an English speaker. Some parts of "unintuitive ID" and "suggestion" seems baffling and unnecessary. For example, Changes "Crafting (not inventory crafting)	" to "Crafting Table", the reason is "Doesn't follow block name." It's... I don't know what's this means, and point it's in "Crafting Table" makes no sense. That's only one in baffling things. I'll suggest nothing but note it's an international game, don't make it baffling because of the "English Syntax".-- Icyphantom  TalkIContributions 07:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Actual errors vs petty annoyances
A lot of this list just seems like suggestions... "Change Melon to Watermelon", "Straw Bale", etc are just overly specific contexts that don't matter at all and are intentionally generic that it would be stupid to change it. ; This page should only be for actual errors and inconsistencies such as "Leather Cap", "Cyan Wall Banner", etc. Also, plural stuff like "Interactions with a Lectern" would be a real pain to actually add since some languages have more than one plural form and that's just too many language strings. I would suggest removing all the non-erro r s and only having actual "unintuitive IDs", not "names I don't like", on this page, as it is just too inviting for people to leave their opinions on.  Nixinova  T  C  03:50, 18 February 2020 (UTC) edited 20:56, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The ender dragon is also named Ender Dragon, so that one's for consistency, Turtle stuff is also called Sea Turtle in Bedrock, and hay isn't made with wheat but with grass (and is green not yellow); the only other instance of being too generically named is Melon, so it's there for completion of that list (the texture does not resemble a normal melon).
 * As for the statistics, Interactions is not what changed, but rather only the addition of "a(n)", throwing your whole argument out of the window.
 * The list is still about corrections, even in it's current state, not "stuff I don't like", if it was, it'd be much bigger, such as making models/recipe use folders, rather than all being dumped in the root folder. FVbico (talk) 07:20, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Alright, I misread the statistics ones. However, the page is called "Unintuitive ID List", so correcting things to their real-life counterparts isn't in the scope of it, so the melon, hay bales, barding etc suggestions should be removed as theyre not "unintuitive" per se but just slightly incorrect, again not what this page is about.  Nixinova  T</b> </b> C</b> </b> 20:56, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

I gave a quick look today, and removed the more nuances like real-life counterpart namings. Kept the hay bale one, as the recipe still indicates it's actually straw. Feel free to remove entries that don't seem to match the scope of the page, but add them to my userpage desired renames instead. FVbico (talk) 10:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)