Talk:Caves & Cliffs

"Summer 2021"
¿This update will actually launched in Summer 2021, where the writer listen that?, possibly a lie or even a hoax. --Elr0l0 (talk) 18:23, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * They literally said it in the livestream... MikhailMCraft (talk) 18:23, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh I know Dragonxthe1 (talk) 18:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I watched it Dragonxthe1 (talk) 18:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protect This
As Java Edition 1.17 is Semi-Protected, I see no reason to not semi-protect this page.

-FavoritoHJS (talk) 18:57, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Page is an almost-exact copy
This page is an almost-exact copy of Java Edition 1.17. It should be changed to have the same difference as between Java Edition 1.16 and Nether Update, or Java Edition 1.15 and Buzzy Bees. --71.178.41.80 17:46, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Java Edition 1.17 was changed significantly, but I still think this page should have the same relationship with that page as the above pages do. --71.178.41.80 19:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC) They are almost the same again! --71.178.41.80 22:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Tomatoes and Tomato Monster
What about tomatoes and Tomato Monsters?

https://twitter.com/Minecraft/status/1312440716124057607


 * I'm pretty sure that was just a demonstration of what you can do with creator tools: https://twitter.com/argo_major/status/1312444253771952129 --Mishell128 (talk) 19:20, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Health of a Warden.
Note that this is a guess, based on the damage dealt. Might have misscounted. Copypasted from Talk:Java Edition 1.17.


 * 47:51 Warden. (And yes, that's 13HP of damage with full Netherite.)
 * For those curious, that thing survived 4 Fully Charged (all crits, ), 3 Partially Charged Bow shots (guesstimate ), 1 70%, 2 10% and 2 100% Netherite Sword swings (guesstimate . This means he has at least

Judging by this, that thing probably has of health. Yes, I have way too much time.

-FavoritoHJS (talk) 19:18, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

It's probably either 80 or 100 though
 * I think it's more like 85, I think the bow shots were more damaging, and I'm pretty sure the netherrite sword swung harder

-JohnWulgaru


 * It could also have armor points like a shulker possibly --Bluecrab2 (talk) 20:37, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Archaeology possible items
I don't think the diamond block and emerald block will be actually available from archeaology, they seem to be more of a placeholder until the list of items has been thought of (e.g. bones). Should we actually consider the livestream as facts here? --Robotkoer (talk) 19:46, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

They won't be but I wouldn't bother getting into an edit war over it

Potentially useful Timestamps on the Minecraft Live Stream
This is a list of links to the Minecraft Live stream, where some C&C features are shown.


 * 31:28- Name announced.
 * 36:04- Lush Cave Footage
 * 37:58- Concept Art
 * 39:25- Dripleaf Plant Demonstration
 * 40:24 Improved Cave Generation
 * 42:10 Still
 * 42:47 Dripstone Caves
 * 43:33 Concept Art
 * 44:34 Sculk Growths, Sensor (Redstone Component)
 * 45:13 Demonstration, with Wool Occlution.
 * 46:03 Demonstration, for (even more) Wireless Redstone.
 * 47:51 Warden. (And yes, that's 13HP of damage with full Netherite.)
 * For those curious, that thing survived 4 Fully Charged (all crits, ), 3 Partially Charged Bow shots (guesstimate ), 1 70%, 2 10% and 2 100% Netherite Sword swings (guesstimate . This means he has at least
 * 51:15 Concept Art (yes, that's a scared Rabbit.)
 * 54:10 Goats
 * 54:40 Better Mountain Gen

  <\intermission>
 * 1:03:32 Model Mob Vote Mobs. Might be interesting?
 * 1:40:59 Demonstration of BE Scripts, by the method of Tomato.
 * 1:43:51 And now, via the method of PvE
 * 1:45:08 Sorry, your Golden Skull is locked. Try again later.
 * 1:47:07 Via the method of Parkour.


 * 1:55:02 Amethyst Geodes (Confirmed Rare)
 * 1:57:11 Telescope (Needs Crystals)
 * 1:57:47 Copper Ore (in clusters of veins, even!)
 * 1:58:01 Copper Slabs
 * 1:59:54 Copper Patina Timelapse
 * 2:01:13 Lighting Rod (Attracts Lighting)
 * 2:03:04 Bundles (Arbitrary-type, 1 Stack Backpacks)
 * 2:08:01 Archeology (Wait, is that per-layer gravel?)
 * 2:09:46 Clay Pots
 * 2:12:00 Axoloths
 * 2:06:45 In the Workshop. (?)
 * 2:13:44 Concept Art
 * 2:14:08 Mob Mentality
 * 2:15:27 Concept Art: Axoloth and Warden.
 * 2:15:58 Concept Art: Axoloth, Goat and Warden.

Here are some other miscelaneous links of interest.


 * Minecraft Live: The Recap from Minecraft.net
 * Minecraft Live: Vote For the Next Mob from Minecraft.net. Might be useful for guessing some GlowSquid mechanics.

If there is another useful link, feel free to edit the list.

-FavoritoHJS (talk) 20:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Dirt Slab
Did they(Mojang Studios) really add the fabled and long forgotten dirt slab into 1.17? Disguised under the brush of course. Can we mark the dirt slab as added to 1.17 now, or mark it as partially added? Or should it actually be released in a snapshot first? 108.193.129.103 20:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Change page name
should the page be renamed to the caves and cliffs update, or should it stay as just caves and cliffs, the nether update page has update in the title, but is also known by that name, while this one is known only as caves and cliffs--Robonate135 (talk) 21:43, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Caves & Cliffs is the official name as shown in the promotional banner art (File:Caves & Cliffs.png). Similarly to Village & Pillage it doesn't have 'Update' in the name, unlike Nether Update which does have it in the title. — Thomanski | t | c | 21:49, 3 October 2020 (UTC)