Talk:The End/Archive 1

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Typo?
raqreqentba is ROT13 "enderdragon", not "enderdragons". FelixGriffin 03:28, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

New Block?
That doesn't appear to be a new block, just obsidian towers.
 * Yeah I didn't get what they meant either. I think they were talking about the sky. So I reworded the image note. --HexZyle 02:55, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to speculate here, but that really, really looks like Sand, Obsidian, and Bedrock. It seems a bit too soon to say they they are new blocks... Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 03:06, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Obsidian, yes. The sky does look like pixelated bedrock. However, the sand block is obviously different. (assuming that notch never uses texture packs) It looks veiny and strangely lumpy, like some creepy alien bone from a sci-fi game. --HexZyle 04:43, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Red_link is why redlinks like that shouldn't be removed (i stuffed up the link to wikipedia in my edit summary) --HexZyle 04:45, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ....It just looks like sand to me.... Electrk 05:38, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking at the brightened version of the image, the "sand" is definitely a new block. It matches up with the white, rough texture shown below the unbroken air portal block's texture in the terrain.png file. I won't bother to change that myself, as someone else will probably dispute it. ~Guest, 1:54 AM EST. 8 Oct.
 * Downloaded 1.9p3 terrain.png and confirmed this. This is definitely NOT sand --HexZyle 06:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I am wondering why it's obsidian, though? Perhaps it's just a place holder block for something else not yet added?MrLeonov 07:36, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the obsidian towers are probably there because this is ''the land of rare stuff", you knowSpartachilles 09:44, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with MrLeonov, its a filler block. Talk:Ender_Sand Check out what I typed out there.. at least thats my theory. --Throex 02:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, throex. I could be wrong, not saying I'm right, but looking at the trivia and knowing a little how notch designs this game, I only suggested that the obsidiantowers we see were only placeholders because "endermen are aspiring builders" and notch limited them to moving certain blocks; they won't be able to pick up and place obsidian after 1.9 is released. MrLeonov 09:02, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Anyone notice this?
Notice how the "obsidian towers" have these corners on them and cut outs? Reference with arrows pointing at it: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:Untitled.png Now notice, the one of the left is not that questionable, could be nothing, but the one in the middle...those cuts in it look a little odd to me. Not like two block towers stacked next to each other. Its almost like the corner of each block was removed.. Could this be a new style of block? That is not just square but "plus symbol"? Does anyone else think the corners look a bit odd? They are too close for them to be stacked diagonal so that the corners would be touching to create that "missing corner". Is this confusing? I really think there is something there no one else has noticed just because they think they are diagonal.

What most of you will think pattern is from: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:Display.png If you look close the corners.. are nothing like the cobble stone setup.. now what do you think? am i crazy? --Throex 02:36, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about this:
 * Cross-section of Tower on the Left


 * Cross-section of Tower in the middle


 * That's what I see --HexZyle 05:14, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The tower on the left, I can see how you see:


 * But the one in the middle, I tried to re-duplicate it in minecraft, this is what I got:
 * http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:D2.png
 * Now if you look at both images, I can see the resemblance in the two towers, but the one I created is the same layout you have shown above, but the corner pieces are still not similar, I tried capturing the shot from all angels to make sure it was not just the angle it showed it at. I still say there is something to it. :P --Throex 05:26, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I dunno. The screenshooter was standing on ground above the base of the Obsidian tower, and has a high resolution (not to mention unknown FOV settings) and that can lead to quite severe distortion --HexZyle 05:33, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure it's just:

□ □ □       □ □ □ □ □      □ □ □ □ □ □ □      □ □ □ □ □ □ □      □ □ □ □ □ □ □        □ □ □ □ □          □ □ □
 * I can see the obsidian pattern three times on the sides. Father  Toast  15:36, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

loaders and lorp stroaders
What the hell are these things? And why would they be in the ender?
 * Seconded -- 50.82.40.202 15:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Whaaat? --Captain_Clam 23:00, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

May I please delete this? I have been researching it for an hour, and I've found nothing. Obviously vamdalism- no link to the tweet. I don't have a twitter (pretty wierd for a 14-year old, eh?) so I cannot ask @jeb. If anyone is willing to do this, please do. I am bad luck. Deal with it. 23:50, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Deleted. I am bad luck. Deal with it. 02:25, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

The Ender Exists in Pre-release 3
When I was closing down my pre-release 3 home hosted server for my brother and I, i noticed it said "Saving Chunks" 3 times, instead of the usual 2. (it was originally only once, until the multiplayer nether was made available in 1.6 or 1.7 or whatever it was. Each "saving chunks" refers to a different map) I was curious, so I started the server again. Sure enough, the server gui reported:

[INFO] Starting minecraft server version Beta 1.9 Prerelease 3 [WARNING] **** NOT ENOUGH RAM! [WARNING] To start the server with more ram, launch it as "java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar minecraft_server.jar" [INFO] Loading properties [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on *:25565 [INFO] Preparing level "MC9P3 Server" [INFO] Default game type: 0 [INFO] Preparing start region for level 0 [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 81% [INFO] Preparing start region for level 1 [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 20% [INFO] Preparing start region for level 2 [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 16% [INFO] Done (3996281460ns)! For help, type "help" or "?"

(Each start reigon is the spawn area in each map) --HexZyle 09:13, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Dimension 1 is the sky dimension. I checked that from the code. Germanyboy 15:11, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Firstly, when you set nether=false the server properties, reigon 1 stops generating, therefore reigon 1 is the Nether. Secondly, reigon 1 has been generating since 1.6. If sky dimension was generated, there would have been 3 dimensions generating since 1.6, but there isn't there is only 2.




 * Thirdly, the sky dimension doesn't occur in the vanilla minecraft without mods. So go troll somewhere else. --HexZyle 15:29, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * In the game code, nether dimension is -1, normal world is 0, and sky dimension is 1, it's been like that way before "the ender". xPaw 15:32, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That contradicts the fact that region 1 stops generating when nether=false. Perhaps the region code for the server and the coding in the class files are different? Or maybe there is a negative mixup there? Please explain. --HexZyle 15:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lets see here. Before 1.6, there was just the overworld. We get region 0 in the server gui. Between 1.6 and 1.8, we get both region 0 and region 1. Nether becomes multiplayer, and the overworld still exists. Sky Dimension is added, but it's buried within the coding, and isn't official. The two most likely candidates for region 0 and 1 are the Overworld and the Nether. Now in 1.9p3, a third region occurs, region 2, just as notch starts talking about and exploring a new dimension, the Ender. Nothing has been heard about the sky dimension for quite some time now. It's pretty obvious from all this that the sky dimension is still inactive in the code, and the new region is the Ender. --HexZyle 15:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant that -1 is the nether, 0 the overworld and 1 the sky dimension. In server's code, the world in slot 1 is -1, and world in slot 2 is 1. Because of save-bug, the sky dimension is in same savefile as the overworld is, and the world is same in both dimensions. –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Germanyboy (Talk&#124;Contribs) Please sign your posts with
 * Well then that resolves it then. What the statement on the page is now is pretty accurate. Since the Sky Dimension is still something in the future, hasn't fully been added into the game yet, and hasn't been mentioned recently, it probably doesn't need mentioning in the trivia, since one can't reach it without mods. --HexZyle 19:45, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have reason to believe that by using NBTedit on PR3 you can set your region, and that region 2 loads as empty, and makes Sky Dimension biome skyislands when you start generating chunks. Was the sky dimension updated somewhere from 1.7>now? Perhaps it's no longer hidden in the overworld, and the Ender is a forth dimension. It would makes sense, if the plan is to implement the sky dimension in 1.10 --gmip 58.106.67.247 13:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * An alternative would be that it's empty with sky dimension biome settings in PR3 as a placeholder (or a hint) for the Ender, and that in PR4 it will be the ender. --gmip 58.106.67.247 13:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, this does seem rather plausable, as I have been spawned in the sky dimension just recently on my PR3 server. Mentioned here. I'll remove the trivia point, because it is no longer 100%. --HexZyle 13:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Turns out it did exist in pre-release 3, but it took the form of the Sky Dimension and appeared in the overworld. --HexZyle 23:30, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Looks a lot like the moon
The Ender sand texture and the relatively flat terrain shown in the video reminds me of the surface of the moon. The towers and mobs less so. - Astramentous

Reminds me a little of Xen ;) SableDnah 21:53, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The Ender Video?
Could I have a link to the video Notch made of The Ender? 70.246.60.105 04:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Here ☁ Shockman25 ☂ Talk ☁ 04:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Here's the link that Notch tweeted SableDnah 14:14, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect name
So there doesn't seem to be any reference to it at all, but Notch's video calls this dimension "the End", not "the Ender", and since he's made slight references to the End before, when talking about how he refuses to change the name of the Endermen, that name seems more likely. BurningDogFace 05:31, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Perhaps the new dimension will be called ender, and will be the home to the mysterious endermen and deadly enderdragons"
 * --cptqwashi
 * Notch said this was "100% Correct". That most likely includes the name. --HexZyle 05:42, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Not like notch hasn't changed his mind before ;)...  I suspect he was going to call it Ender, but (possibly because of the above mentioned 'slight references') has decided upon simply "The End".   This would make sence as the -er suffix is used to refer to seomeone that lives somewhere.  Southen-er - Northen-er  End-er...  Sable 12:31, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah but there still is no proof that that "The End" video is actually official. I mean, some people claim that Notch uploaded it on his twitter and then removed it (how you upload videos to twitter i have no idea) but without official references, we can never be sure. --HexZyle 12:57, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Notch tweeted a link to the video, the tweet was just this Youtube URL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehlpLRrwojo (on the new twitter website tweeting a Youtube URL will show the video within twitter - hence appearing as if its 'uploaded to twitter'). I replied to his (now deleted) tweet
 * The mojnotch youtube account appears to have been around for a while and has references to the whole "the manifesto.ogg on Oscilloscope" incident ;).  But you're right - with that original tweet of Notch's deleted we're missing on official link.  That said - the fact he deleted it is interesting in itself... SableDnah 14:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, but the Youtube account is an official reference that mojang uses? Then that's ok then. --HexZyle 14:26, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Digging in my internet history - I found the twitter shortened URL t.co/XiualTHP - twitter runs all URLs in the timestream through t.co for tracking, and this is the one notches post went through. Just an echo of his post that I found...
 * There's some debate as to whether mojnotch is owned by Notch but I think it was a troll trying to claim he made it yesterday just for the end vid. The user page shows recent activity dating back 3 months...  SableDnah 14:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This twitter post from Notch: http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/124154266276470784 makes me think its THE END, not the ender.. -- Throex  '''TALK 16:11, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

wth?
Once you get in the end, how the hell you get back out? lol -- Throex  '''TALK 16:31, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't. "The End" means just that, it's the end. Notch has been hinting that this is the "last level" of minecraft. --HexZyle 16:35, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Makes sense I suppose, but a lot of people wont like it at all. lol -- Throex  '''TALK 16:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I DON'T LIKE IT AT ALL! Nah jokes. I just won't go there. It's as barren as the nether was when it was first released. --HexZyle 16:58, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well anyway, IMO, this is my interpretation of the End. (jump to seventh paragraph if you don't want to read it all) --HexZyle 17:09, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible to make nether portal in The End?


 * GOOD QUESTION! Testing now. --HexZyle 17:45, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope.avi. The Portal doesn't activate when you ignite it. --HexZyle 17:46, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

How did endermen get out?Desacobose 23:24, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * THAT is an EXCELLENT question. As much as I like the symbolism, I don't like that you can't leave. Creative mode gets boring if you get curious, then stuck. But besides that, I noticed the End Portal frame blocks are made of White Stone, with some sort of green cap or something.  Maybe Ender Pearls and White Stone can be crafted together to create an exit portal (in a later update perhaps)? --King Starscream 02:18, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * In creative mode you can kill yourself to send yourself back to the Overworld by jumping off the bottom of the level --HexZyle 02:57, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Finding a Portal
I have tested the eye of ender and found two strongholds with it. Both times, the eye started to sink into the ground at the location of a spiral staircase that did not connect to anything at the top and seemed to not have any rooms above it. It seems that this staircase could be an "entrance" of sorts to the stronghold, and is what the eye of ender will locate. Inside the stronghold, the eye would still float towards the staircase. When I did find a portal in the second stronghold, after throwing the eye of ender near it, it would still go in the direction of the spiral stairs. Conclusion, the eye of ender will try to locate the "entrance" to a stronghold, and not a portal frame. --DarkFlame588 19:53, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * THAT is what i was going to add. Seconded. I was going to add it last night but I was reading through the new edits and i forgot :S Thanks. It's been bugging me since the update. --HexZyle 20:55, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The End Spawn Point
In my testing it appears that the obsidian platform is always at 0,72,0 ? Can anyone confirm this finding? SableDnah 21:56, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The time I went in, this was correct. --DarkFlame588 21:24, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * For me I've spawned at 180,53,0

Leaving The End
I found a way to leave the End without dying. If you make a Nether Portal, you can go there, and leave to the Overworld with the same portal! That way, you don't lose all of your stuff. EDFan12345 13:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean "make" or "hack"? Cobalt32 14:23, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, this is interesting
I actually noticed that when playing Minecraft that you can enter the End by just simply right-clicking a diamond sword. This means that you do not have to use a portal and find a stronghold, but this is probably considering by some but these could be argued to be idiots as it is included in the game by default, kind of like the glass towers above strongholds in the last pre-release. Although this will probably be removed as it seems a bit easy. Should this be added to the Wiki page? :) 60.231.64.35 23:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Add to trvia as debug testing --HexZyle 23:32, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This doesn't seem to wok. Are there any necessary circumstances?--BTH 00:19, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * uh i heard you need 2 class files to make it happen. and BTW one is for the sword portal, the other spawns a dragon when you block with a golden sword--Gil2455526 00:34, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You found this, http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/lav7p/19_prerelease_4_changelog/ which list two classes you add to your .jar file and it allows you to spawn a dragon with a gold sword (right click) and move to the end with a diamond sword (right click). Its not IN the game, its class files that you put in your self. -- Throex  '''TALK 01:48, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So then because it's MODified class files then it's a MOD and doesn't belong on mainspace. Very interesting though. :D --HexZyle 03:42, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Obsidian Platform
I just noticed that the 5x5 platform that you spawn on in the end also removes all blocks 3 spaces above it when you travel there, making it a 5x4x5 square-ish thing. 108.52.26.139 00:39, 15 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Confirmed. Also, anything you place on the platform will be removed the next time you port in. Exitwound45 19:16, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Trivia at the obsidian page: Floating islands need obsidian to fly
I saw a point at the trivia of obsidian, that notch wanted to make floating islands which need obsidian to fly. He said that he didn't liked the idea anymore. But now there is the end, which is actually a sky dimension(floating islands) with obsidian towers on top of it. Maybe he didn't discarded the idea after all. Should this be mentioned on one of the pages(Obsidian, The End or even both)?

Sorry for bad english, KazujaXYZ 17:44, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's only a piece of trivia for a feature Notch realised was a bit rediculous to implement, though it could be a reference. If you removed all the obsidian the island would still float, however. --HexZyle 18:51, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I know that it does float without obsidian :P . I just mean the towers could base on this idea.


 * So you could put "The Obsidian towers on the floating islands in The End may be a manifestation of the scrapped idea Notch once had for floating islands to require obsidian to hold in place" and follow that (and reword it) with a reference. --HexZyle 00:16, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Sigh.
Anyone else kinda feel this is a pointless addition to the game as it is currently? All it is at the minute is a second darker nether with even less point. Its really disheartening.--Neil2250 01:45, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * People complained when the Nether was first released (when it actually was released, not when it was in it's development stages, because people would have complained even more then) because of lack of content. How is this complaint any different? --HexZyle 05:22, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Its different because we already have a hell now. Plus there's only two blocks as oppose to three new of the nether when it was released.--Neil2250 14:07, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I do think that The End is empty at the moment, but that is why I'm just not going to go there until the official release. No point getting all grumpy about something that isn't even finished yet. I'm an artist and i really dislike it when people criticise a half finished artwork of mine. --HexZyle 01:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keeping the Enderdragon in mind, I picture the End as less of a "world" and more like a "final boss arena". That said, it could use a bit more incentive to go there, but I can forgive Notch for that; he's not even finished with it. Cobalt32 21:53, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

The Hell?
Removed the farlands? "In later versions, the end was added and the farlands were removed." Who added this nonsense?
 * Idk, just delete because the end and the far lands don't have any relation. ☁ Shockman25 ☂ Talk ☁ 20:09, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Terry Pratchet reference?
In Terry Pratchet's series 'the discworld', there is a barren desert that Death takes you to after you die, it seems somewhat like that with the end as it is the 'final level' of minecraft and the last place that you ever go to.--Lirtsi 13:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

I doDesacobose 14:07, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * This dimension seems like a thousand things from many different books, games and movies. Doesn't mean we have to add them all. There is no connection, unless Mojang specifically says so --HexZyle 01:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

purgatory?
Does this remind anyone else of purgatory or the desert in discworld?Desacobose 14:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

I think it seems more like limbo. I'll just type the gist of it. In religon, limbo is where one goes if they have not been damnned nor repented. Limbo and Purgatory both require you go through "trial by fire" to reach heaven, but in Purgatory you have already been gaurenteed acceptance to heaven. Back to limbo, so let me get all my reasoning done.  1. In limbo, you can reach heaven or hell. In game representaion would be escaping(heaven) or dying(hell) in the End.  2. Limbo is described as more of an entity than a physical place. Represented by being a new dimension and not a thing on the Overworld.  3. Limbo exists on the edge of Hell (where it's not as likely to finish you off). The End Is dangerous, but not like the Nether, you can actually avoid pain here (not as likely to finish you off).  4. Being on the edge of Hell, it doesn't have the same make-up as it. Self-explainitory.  5. I think I read somewhere that it is pretty much all adjectives that mean: colorless, scary, and depressing. Again, self-explainitory.  6. This one, I re-call vaguely. Jesus resided in limbo before he rose to heaven. The Enderdragon could represent Jesus, and it's egg, his rebirth. Rocheste 21:17, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Moon
It not seems to you that the End is similar to the moon? And the end portal is similar, on a portal which Chell opened on the moon in a Portal 2?

No, floating chunks of pale rock with obsidian spires popping up randomly don't really resemble the moon that much, and no, the End Portal doesn't resemble Aperture portals in any way. Plus, they're one-way only. Cobalt32 21:50, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

A possible bug; opinions, please?
I was using Zombe's Mod Pack for the latest pre-release of minecraft and I had the weather mod activated. When I tried to strike an enderman in The End with lightning, the game crashed. I attempted it again when I didn't have as many endermen following me (the first time it was laggy because I had many, many endermen in pursuit of me), and the game crashed again. I am assuming it crashed each time I tried to do this in The End because weather does not exist there. If anyone can test this out for me, just to be sure it isn't just my computer, we could throw this in a 'bugs' section for the end page. For now, I am adding it to trivia to grab others attention and hopefully encouraging to test it out. Please tell me if anyone else encounters this bug when trying to summon lightning in The End. MrLeonov 20:53, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Remember that this part of the wiki concerns the vanilla (unmodded) game. There isn't room here for mod-related bugs. Aib 22:39, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

A theory about The End
I belive that the end is the apocalypse of the world you're in. In the last years before the apocalypse, an unknown virus infected the mobs of the world, causing them to twist into endermen. And then a Red Dragon (Planned to appear in a later version) Succumbed to the desease, and attacked the very world, breaking it. Small strains of the virus continually happen in the normal world, making endermen. The stronghold was built to hide the end portal. I belive the end portal is actually a time portal, and the Eyes of Ender are attracted to it because of its destination: The end. The time portal is one way, it strands you at The End, because you then become a carrier of the evolved desease, and you cannot bring it back. The time portal is powered by the eyes, because the eyes contain some power of time travel, which is sometimes triggered when moving twoards the end portal.

-Thedball


 * While a nice story, it sounds way farfetched and beyond speculative to me. Honestly, time travel? What direct clues do you have to deduct that The End is a post apocalyptic world? Generally the term The End is used to describe a place which further away from the known living world than anything else, often housing strange and different beings, an often common theme in both science fiction novels and various games. In Notch's case he seems to use the name with a double purpose, also coining this area as the place where the endgame content (the Enderdragon) occurs and it may well be derived from the name Enderman after the Farlands - Farlander discussion where Notch joked he should rename the Farlands to The End. I'm sure The End is a far away and almost alien or otherworldly place, but I doubt it's a time rift. --Saratje 18:51, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Love the story, and the idea seems plausable. It makes some sence as to why you cant leave.

--Cdash 16:19, 31 October 2011 (UTC)cdash


 * Although the story is somewhat interesting, I don't think it's plausible at all. Nothing about Endermen would lead me to believe they're the result of a viral infection, especially considering they can teleport, which a virus cannot make you do. Just having them be aliens from another dimension would probably make more sense, as well as give a possible explanation for their teleportation abilities. As for not being able to leave the End, I blame incompleteness. I have a theory that destroying the Enderdragon may provide you with a means of leaving the end, whether it be automatic ejection a set time after slaying it, or possibly making use of whatever item it drops to make some means of escape, though it might still have uses in the other worlds. Cobalt32 16:47, 31 October 2011 (UTC)