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To everyone wishing to be an admin on the wikis ~ Please Read We are currently looking for active administrators for the Dutch Wiki ONLY. This doesn't mean you can't help any of the other language wikis. Please register an account on the appropriate wiki, and contribute. Get familiar with the Wiki rules and take a look at The Administrator's Guide. If you are fluent in Dutch, and wish to be considered for promotion, please leave me a note here. Do NOT post your email addresses, as all communication will be done on the wiki. Any registered user can help with the translations! Thanks! ~Wyn

Being a Wiki Admin.
Wynthsyt, After reading a topic on the minecraftforum.net forums about the wiki needing more admins, i thought i might apply. I have had prior experiances with uses wikis for other games, like dead frontier, pokemon, and Call of duty. And have helped sort and type information for them. Altough only being able to speak english, I think my help could help perhaps just a little bit, or make a big impact. Not sure if I need to post contact information, but anyway I'll post it regardless; E-mail; Email removed MC Forum Name; xNightmare --XNightmare 08:34, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Nightmare. Keep your eyes open, more information will be forthcoming! Currently we are really looking for admins for the Dutch language wiki, but with as popular as Minecraft has become, there's always room for more here on the English wiki as well. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  01:25, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll always be available. --XNightmare 08:35, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Interested in being a Wiki Admin
Hey Wynthst, I saw your post on the minecraft forum, and it immediately grabbed my attention. I fluently speak Dutch, along with English and a couple other languages, and I'd love to help. I 'm a frequent contributor to the actual wikipedia, along with being a site owner. Not sure if previous experience really matters here, but I thought it may! :)

I see Nightmare posted his contact info, so I shall do the same:

E-mail: Email removed

MC Forum Name: Ultimate117

~Ultimate117


 * If you are serious, please register an account on the Dutch wiki. Experience does count, but I'd also like to see people who are willing to be active contributors to the Dutch language wiki. I will let you know as I see how things are working out. Thanks for your interest. (I removed the email addresses to protect you guys from spam. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  01:46, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Image resizing?
Methinks you grok the .png habit better than I, so might you take a look at:

Tutorials/Quarry

The new pic is rather nice, and has a good relative field of view, but I think its size is a little screen-busting. Is it worth asking the OP to resize it, or is this something you would normally just do yourself and repost the pic? -Wulfenbach (not on fire for once) 03:57, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Uh.. just change it to a more normal size? – ultradude25 ( T at 04:13, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, resizing is something anyone can do. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  05:03, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Translator??
Wynthyst:I read in the Minecraft Forums that you need help for the wikia,i'm good with spanish and English but i have more interest in the Spanish one,i am Argentinian Myself and i will glad to help :D.

I don't have experience in administration,but i learn fast,if you want me to help just send a pm in the minecraft forums(chino_eze26).

Best of luck,bye bye

Dutch sysop
I know a fairly good user from the Urban Dead wiki whos first language is Dutch, and is fluent in English. He may be interested in being a moderator on the Dutch Minepedia. I'll get him in touch with you guys?  A NNOYING  04:31, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm fully aware you might not want a user recommended by me, but he's a bro, don't worry.  A NNOYING  04:33, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no problem taking your recommendations into consideration. I know we got off to a rocky start, but I'd like to see that change. I would just like to see more positive than negative attitude. We are seriously trying to make this a better wiki in the best way we know how. I do hope that anyone who is acting as an administrator (on any of the Minecraft wiki sites) will also be an active contributor. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  05:05, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright. I'll have to see if he plays minecraft else I doubt he'll be able to do much around the place. As for rocky starts, I'm quickly finding reasons not to worry so much about the issues at hand. Not forced preview (whilst it would be nice for everyone to not have to deal with it) is a dream, and I recently found out Kizzi's ark of Herobrine is the top rated search for the respective term on Google, which is about as useful as it could ever get, so forcing it into the mainspace is no longer so important to anyone I imagine, lest me.  A NNOYING  10:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I can be the admin of the Chinese section
Hi, Wynthyst, I am Chinese so I can be the admin of the Chinese section of this wiki. I am also interested in the English Wiki.

I want to help.

Email: Email removed

UPDATE: I made a Chinese section. Minecraft Wiki:Projects/Chinese translation

Minecraft wiki account: edenapple, Minecraft Forum account: MineDVD

Thanks
 * We don't currently have a Chinese translation. (who knows what the future may bring though :D) I removed your email to protect you from spam. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  05:07, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Interest in becoming a Wiki admin
Hi Wynthyst, I am looking to become a wiki admin here. I have lots of experience with wiki, html, as well as web server administration. Im interested in dedicating a large portion of my time here. My first language is English, I am learning German. I would be interested in moderating both.

Email: email removed

minecraft wiki account: waldo170

minecraft forums account: waldo170

Dutch Wiki
I saw on the minecraft forum u need help with the dutch wiki.

Im dutch and I would like to help.

Email me email removed
 * Please register on the Dutch wiki. I would like to see administrators that are also active contributors. I will let you know. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  08:24, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Admins
I am a multi-platform programmer and I would like to help administrate the Minecraft Wiki website. Please email me either at email removed or at email removed. Thank you and i look forward to hearing from you soon.

Admin for Dutch Wiki
Hi,

I would like to be an admin for the dutch wiki. I see that it still needs a lot of work in translating the stuff that normal users cannot edit. I am registered on the wiki. I am a web developer so I could easily help with all the CSS and stuff. MC Forum: gdscei Here: gdscei
 * Thank you for your interest. You are correct that the Dutch wiki is in need of a lot of work. I will be taking all of the requests under consideration. In the meantime, any contributions you can make to bettering the Dutch wiki are welcome. I am not going to make this decision lightly, as I do want active committed editors and administrators on all of the Minecraft wiki sites. Thanks for your interest. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  09:09, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Can I somehow add the crafting background image for the crafting section of a block or does an admin need to look at this? -- gdscei talk  09:44, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe that was all set up by Ultradude25. Everything should be able to be copied over from the English wiki, however it will all need to be translated. You may want to ask him how it's all set up. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  09:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm kinda figuring it out by myself, I only need to get the images over to the Dutch wiki now. -- gdscei talk  09:58, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Russian Minecraft Wiki
Hello, i would like to help with Russian section of Minecraft Wiki. I am an experienced editor of MediaWiki engine (helped a lot on Official Team Fortress 2 Wiki), and also an administrator of SteamWorld.ru server. I hope you will answer me soon. DrAkcel  (T 11:23, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Please feel free to register and contribute to the Russian Minecraft wiki. All active editors have the potential to be promoted. At this time, we are looking for active admins specifically on the Dutch wiki, but all editors and contributors are welcome in every language. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  11:28, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I have added the Chinese Section
The Chinese Section has been added my me: edenapple

Feel free to be part of the project. Egg is currently translated by me but I cannot change: Type, heals for, cookable and data value because it doesn't work when I change it.

Dutch Minecraft wiki application
Hello, I would like to be an Admin of the Dutch Minecraft wiki.

Username: Stevinator

The Languages I speak: Dutch, English (both good), a little French and German (not very good), Latin and ancient-Greek (True!).

My experience with wiki's: I've been Admin on some Wiki's, I have also been a Bureacrat on some, and a normal user on others.

Relation with Minecraft: OMGWTFAWESOME24/7UBERADDICTION nothing much else to say about that...

What am I able to help out with: deleting spam, correcting grammar (You would be surprised to know how little Dutch people can actually speak Dutch without much gramatical errors.), adding pictures (Not scared of a creeper or lava), helping the community, adding information, and that sort of stuff.

How long have I played Minecraft: I play Minecraft since the Alpha.

Why this application is so long: [quote] If it's worth doing, it's worth OVERdoing

Greetings, Stevinator 12:04, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: Enter seems not to be working properly


 * Everything you want to help with is already possible without being an admin, lol. Things like deleting pages, protecting pages and such are admin tasks. gdscei 12:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Please feel free to register and contribute to the Dutch wiki in every way you have mentioned (except the deleting) I am looking for active contributors to promote to administrators. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  14:06, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Russia Minecraft WikiEditor
Hello my name is Vlad and I am a 17 year old Russian male willing to gladly help with the Russian Minecraft wiki. I am very fluent in Russian I am also able to read and write it. As I spend a lot of Time viewing the wiki might as well help the grea community of Minecraft and Minecraft forums.

- Vlad

Up for admin
Hi,

I read that the Dutch section needed some help, and after checking it out I couldn't agree more. Some important pages are full of mistakes. If you don't find enough capable people, I can give it a try. Dutch is my native language so that shouldn't be a problem. The downside is: I have zero experience in wiki editing, that is why I rather edit some stuff first. To contact me, pm in minecraftforums at equz.

Have a great day. Noah

PS: in the meantime, i recommend some changes, cause the dutch section seems to be written by a (no offence intended) 12-year old. As i said, i don't really have any experience so I'm not sure how it works but the block translations, who I think a non-admin can't change (because they are linked, or used within codes), are a bit off. For exemple: suiker rieten should be suikerriet, dinamiet -> dynamiet, champions -> champignons, toon blok -> nootblok, ... I'll try to edit it, but I'm not sure I can.

Admin
Hi Wynthyst,

I'd want to be an admin and help the Dutch Minecraft Forum grow. My native language is Dutch and my English is fluent. I also teach some English people Dutch for free and fun. My username on both the Dutch and the English forum is Marinnos. I'm new at the forum but I have experience with other forums.

Just pm me

Minepedia Admin
Hi Wynthyst,

I would like to help you with the Dutch translation on the Minepedia site. I'm Dutch myself and I study English at a higher vocational education. I also know a little bit of French and German. I don't have any experience yet but it has to start somewhere doesn't it ^.^. I play Minecraft everyday and I can't stop because it's awesome! Email: email removed MCforum: smeuye112 here: smeuye112

Admin Dutch section
I read the post on the forum and i think i can help, i am dutch and i can speak english pretty good. my e-mail is email removed

Fluent English Admin
I can speak English, my main language, very fluently, and would be glad to help out as an admin. I do know some French, my secondary language, but not too much. I do not have any experience as an admin for a Wiki, but I'm hoping to get some here. I tend to be up to date on what's new in Minecraft, and I'm ready to add to the Wiki when new content is released, or if I find any new information. If you need to contact me, send me a PM on the Minecraft Forums; my username is "King_Pikmin".

--King_Pikmin 19:01, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Norwegian Translator
Hey, I could help with the Norwegian Wiki, I haven't been admin before but I learn fast. I'm good at English too so I could translate fast. Pm me on minecraft forum's. I'm also been close to Bobby Yarsulik, just saying.

-Fiorsk


 * Please sign your posts with 4 ~s. You don't need to be an admin to contribute to the Norwegian wiki. MoonBeans 20:12, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There isn't a Norwegian wiki :P -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:15, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Dutch translator with experience.
Hello Wynthyst,

I saw your topic on the mc forums. I'm not really sure if you can use me. But I've been translating a lot of English to Dutch. I've been a subber for a fan sub-group for anime's for more than a year now. So if you would choose me, you would get speedy translations.

I've always been working with a someone that checks my translations. That went pretty well.

Like I said, I work with time frames. We agree that the article is translated at 12 pm, then it will be translated at 12 pm. You will always be sure that I've done my work.

I'm very excited about this. I hope you'll see something in me :)

Kind Regards,

Jordy also known as Hero

--Hero88 14:45, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Hero :D You know, anyone can work on the translation. And your help would be greatly appreciated. I'm looking for administrators who will be active contributors as well. Please register your account on the Dutch wiki and have at it. The mainpage in particular still needs major translation, as well as dealing with all the red links. There are a few other active contributors there... work with them and let's see if we can't make it a better wiki for the Dutch community. I will be making a decision on the administrator positions in a couple of weeks once I see how things are progressing. Thanks for your interest! -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  15:58, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

RE: Administrator requests above
You do realize that you must sign your posts using, right? --Gnu32 14:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Most are newly registered ... and don't get it... yet... but I'm hoping :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  14:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It would kind of suck to give administrator powers to people who don't know how to use basic wiki features :U Just sayin' --Gnu32 15:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, out of a pool of, say, 10 admin applicants you get 4-5 regular editors, that's a big plus as well. --JonTheMon 15:59, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, come on, Gnu. 'We' let both Regan and Brezhnev have the keys to the world's largest nuclear arsenals and nothing went *BOOM*.  Well, not much. ...not that regularly, and generally with a lack of fallout!  If you don't count the countless nuclear tests by the Americans and Russians...and French...and Brits.  Err, on second thought, can we impose mandatory brainscans for potential wikiadmin?  Maybe genetic testing and aptitude tests too, just to be sure. :D -Wulfenbach (not on fire for once) 05:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Please add the Chinese section to the projects
Hello Wynthyst,

Can you link the Chinese section I made to the projects and make me an admin of it?

Thanks, Edenapple
 * You can add the link to the projects page yourself, and no user can be an "admin" of a project. As the creator of it, you are automatically the project leader. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  01:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Minepedia Copyrights
Is there a page for what the copyrights either Curse.com or Minepedia claim over the wiki's content? This is in reference to a comment made on Crafting's talk page (cc'd to Quatroking's TP since he's the other active I know who might know). -Wulfenbach (not on fire for once) 05:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No, no wiki material is subject to copyright unless it is specified so (ie; an image) MoonBeans 20:09, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, that's not correct. All material, whether text or images are subject to copyright or licensing. Each contributor holds copyright on their submissions by default, but unless otherwise tagged, all content falls under the Curse.com terms of service, meaning Curse owns it, and it can not be used by other sites without their permission.-- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:11, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Apply to the admin possition.
Why hello there, let me introduce myself. My name is Thescorpi0n (Real name is Tim), and my first language is dutch. I'm 16 years old, and I think I can translate English texts pretty well, and therefor I'm applying for the admin possition. I would love to help people out with helping them getting knowledge from the minecraftwiki. Even though I don't have much experience with wiki's other than just using it, I would love to give this a shot, because something gotta be the first one aye'. I see that there aren't really much pages and info on the dutch minecraftwiki yet, so I would love to add and translate some I own minecraft since the alpha version, and have pretty much experience with it. Well, I guess I'll hear from you then.

--Thescorpi0n 18:59, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You seem to be under the impression that you have to be an admin to help with the translation. You do not. If you wish to contribute to the Dutch wiki, simply register an account and go to it. I am looking for active editors to promote to admin to assist with the general maintenance of the site. But you have to be a contributor before you become an admin. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:02, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Header Tabs
You mentioned on the historization page that you could use header tabs, could you explain that to me? MoonBeans 19:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Here is a page on another wiki that uses it. http://www.faxionwiki.com/Vainglory it allows me to "stack" the tables, however, it can be used to do the same to text or any other data. Also, the tabs can be configured to look more like tabs with outlines etc. It simply worked better on that wiki to not do it that way. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:53, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks great, how do I use them? MoonBeans 20:07, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If everyone else agrees, I will get the extension installed this week. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:08, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll post about it on the community portal. MoonBeans (u-t-c) 13:45, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

GermanWiki collapsable/expandable
Hi from the GermanWiki. Can you tell me why expandable/collapsable dont work in the GermanWiki? If I want to test your example, no corresponding function is displayed. Greetings --The Miner 01:31, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I have solved it just itself. My fault but thanks anyway :). Greetings --The Miner -  MCWikiAdministrator  02:54, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

GermanWiki deleted crafting output files
Hi, Ultradude25 deleted today all crafting output files. Unhappily in the German version, too. Now we are missing a lot of pictures! look here. How can this happen? -- Oliver Scholz -  German MCWiki Administrator  20:05, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You need to update the Crafting pages on the German wiki. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  00:04, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Minecraft Sports
Hi Wynthyst,

you just deleted my entry as Minecraft Sports Discussion. I'm sorry if that was not the apropriate place to make a suggestion. But I really like to learn more about Minecraft Sports and think that would be an enrichment to this wiki and not very simple stuff everyone already knows.

So were is the right place to do such a suggestion?

And I'm also wondering why things get deleted here so quickly and unrecoverably. I was hoping to still find a history with older versions of that stuff, so that things aren't completely lost.

Cheers Zodac
 * The forum is the proper place for that kind of stuff. I believe there was some discussion about "sports" on the Community Portal talk page (Minecraft_Wiki_talk:Community_portal/Archive_3), you might want to check the archives. Things that are inappropriate are deleted when they are found. Since category pages can't be moved, there really is no option other than to delete them. Everything that gets deleted can be restored, but a random category talk page is unlikely to be. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  12:16, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank You, Wynthyst --Zodak 12:43, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Dutch sysop (2)
Hello, I would like to apply for the role of sysop on the Dutch Minepedia. I am very experienced with wiki software (I am running my own at the moment). I know when to block and not to block, I know how to handle the rollback tool, the delete tool, and the other tools. I can speak Dutch fluently as it is my native language and I can contribute with a near-native level of English. Although you might think I am not active, which is true, but I am becoming more active and I would love to become administrator. I can confirm that I am very experienced with wiki's (confirmation done on my Dutch Wikipedia talk page) and I hope I get elected. Kind regards, TBloemink 14:54, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Image error
When I view this image I get some errors at the top of the screen.

Warning: imagecreatefrompng: gd-png: fatal libpng error: IDAT: CRC error in /home/minecraftwiki/public_html/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 213 Warning: imagecreatefrompng: gd-png error: setjmp returns error condition in /home/minecraftwiki/public_html/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 213 Warning: imagecreatefrompng: '/home/minecraftwiki/public_html/images/5/5c/Fishing_1.png' is not a valid PNG file in /home/minecraftwiki/public_html/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 213 Warning: imagesx expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/minecraftwiki/public_html/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 231 Warning: imagesy expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/minecraftwiki/public_html/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 231 Warning: imagecopyresampled expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /home/minecraftwiki/public_html/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 231 Warning: imagedestroy expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/minecraftwiki/public_html/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 238

Any ideas? – ultradude25 ( T at 03:08, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope.. looks fine to me.. have you tried refreshing? -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:15, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Dutch administrator
I'd like to become an administrator of the Dutch wiki. I already tried to update the main page and templates that require some css, but that doesn't really work if you constantly have to ask an admin to implement your changes.--STS 14:39, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

First:
Thank you for promotion to the new Dutch admin.

Second:

 * Moved this to: Minecraft_Wiki_talk:Directors

Dutch Administration
I'd like to help make the Dutch Minecraft Wiki a better place. I've just recently started adding articles, but I'm eager to add more.

If it is of great importance: I haven't had much experience with Wiki's, but i've had some experience with administrating several forums and game servers.

If it helps: I've started out creating a standard layout for items on the dutch wiki. This should making more articles easier. I'm also busy adding translations.

--Kettling 15:54, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep up the good work. I'm not making any quick decisions about this as I feel it's important. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  17:42, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Dear Wynthyst, I have a few questions regarding the dutch wiki.
 * First: I made a basic layout for items on the Dutch page for Bone, since it wasn't in use yet. . One of the Dutch admins liked it but told me to consult the English admin. The titles in English are:
 * 1. Availability (as in, where to get it)
 * 2. Usage (as in, anything except crafting)
 * 3. Crafting (literally: Processing, we have no good dutch translation for crafting (I checked multiple sources for that word)) (Both using workbench and Furnace)
 * (There is a small bug with the crafting grid in there, since it's still a work in progress from another user, so I don't know the name of the bonemeal file yet.)
 * 4. Trivia (Facts like release day etc)
 * 5. References (obvious I think)
 * 6. See also (Articles that can be of particular interest for people who read this one)


 * Second: Since the "Been" article I somehow lost my ability to create a new page. Is this a very recent change in policy, or did I do something that has caused me to lose this right?
 * Third: The Dutch version of the wiki seems to lack a Citation Needed template, is this something I should report to you or a dutch Administrator?


 * Yours Truly, --Kettling 19:14, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * We changed our configuration slightly this morning to make it harder for spammers to attack the wikis. To get your page creation rights back you simply need to make 10 other edits.. go fix some typos or something and have it be at least 3 days since you created your account. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but we've had ongoing spam attacks and this is the best way to resolve them right now. As for page layouts and page titles, I want to see all 6 sites working in sync on this kind of stuff with the English wiki taking the lead. So if there is an article on the English wiki, it should be followed as far as layout etc, on the multi lingual subdomains. As for templates, talk to the Dutch admins, or wait til your once again able to create pages and do it yourself :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Dear Wynthyst, I have had a look at the first 12 items in the items table, but there are differences in the page layout. Which item should the page layout for future item-related dutch articles follow? The Dutch version I just posted did contain everything that occured in the English item pages, but not all english item pages contain all sections. (Oh, I just noticed I forgot something in my previous description that might be notable: point 3, crafting is both crafting with a workbench and crafting with a furnace.) --Kettling 19:37, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I would use the layout that provides the most information. This is a discussion that the admins need to take up as part of the new Directors discussions. Keep up the good work. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:42, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * In that case, would it be wise, and possible, for me to submit the layout I made as a topic for the Directors discussions? Yours truly, --Kettling 19:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Point STS to it on his talk page.... -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:47, 29 March 2011 (UTC)