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Spanish wiki with problems? Yes again :D
Wynthyst Hello, sorry for the inconvenience, but Ultradude25 told me to contact you with someone of curse to help me. We have a problem in our wiki: The search box never updates, I mean that it's different to this wiki. We tried to solve the problem but we couldn't, so we decided to ask your help. Please help us! And sorry for my bad English level, I'm still learning. And, as say Kingpowl down, Happy new year :D ReyWar 16:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
Have a very nice year, Wyn :D Enjoy! Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 20:41, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

server error
The server error on the Chinese wiki is getting a little bit ridiculous, there is about 1 page per day that would display the server error "The database could not found the page." and I have to delete and recover the page. Please help us fix the issue. Also, a minor request, could the mediawiki setting $wgStringFunctionsLimitSearch and $wgStringFunctionsLimitReplace be set a little bit higher, because it limits the #replace function not able to replace the string "splash potion of fire resistance" and replacing characters would cause the default 30 multibyte characters to be used up very quickly, so it would nice for the #replace function to do more on the Chinese wiki.—Powup333  ZH Admin  00:20, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * In the Spanish Wiki have an error exactly like yours "The database could not found the page.", and the truth is that it is quite annoying. Surely there are other wikis with the same problem. ReyWar 09:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * As of right now, the only thing I can tell you is to delete the page and then restore all revisions. Our tech team has been unable to track down what is causing this to occur. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:15, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Content license
At the bottom of most pages are two notices about under what license the content of the wiki is available: a text link on the left, and an image on the right. The image on the right leads to a Creative Commons license, which (among other things) contains "You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor..." The text on the left simply leads to the wiki's main page which doesn't seem to explain the notations used in the link or have any further information.


 * 1) Is there a page on the wiki which explains how those who copy content should attribute it? (possibly mentioning that some content on the site is copyright by Mojang AB used under fair use and thus might not be legal to be copied for use which is not fair use?)
 * 2) Can the text link be made more useful? (or something else?)

&mdash;Munin295 &middot;  &middot; 20:07, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing it out. Minecraft Wiki:Copyrights -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:13, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Munin was also pointing out that the CC license used in MediaWiki:Copyright is currently linked to Minecraft Wiki; I think $wgRightsPage needs to be updated to point to Minecraft Wiki:Copyrights. -- Orthotope 10:11, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I know that, but since, as you know that is done in the core php config, I can't personally do anything about it, other than request it be corrected by our php team, which I have, and it will be as soon as it comes up on their job queue. As a relatively low priority request, it will be bumped lower in the queue by anything more important. Basically, it will happen when it happens...... -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  14:41, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Wiki copying pages, templates and images
This wiki is quite clearly copying content from us, and I don't see any kind of attribution. –ultradude25 ᐸ Talk Contribs 12:09, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I need exact links to duplicated pages, and regardless of attribution, they use an incompatible license to ours, so any duplication is prohibited. But I can't request takedown unless it's an exact duplication. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  12:13, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * It's difficult to find full pages that are exactly the same as ours, since their pages are pretty out of date, however you can see some sections of pages that are very similar to ours. The templates and images are the most obvious.
 * http://minecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Mojang_AB - Mojang AB
 * http://minecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Blocks - Template:Blocks
 * http://minecraft.wikia.com/wiki/File:Chest.gif - File:Chest.gif
 * –ultradude25 ᐸ Talk Contribs 02:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * http://minecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Mojang_AB?oldid=16068 is copied directly from Mojang_AB&oldid=259462, including our custom Twitter interwiki links and the hidden comment about Mollstam.
 * http://minecraft.wikia.com/wiki/File:Template1.png - File:Template1.png (specifically this revision).
 * http://minecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Items?oldid=11985 - Template:Items
 * http://minecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Technical_Blocks?oldid=32301 - Technical Blocks
 * http://minecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Redstone_Circuits?oldid=11804 - Redstone Circuits
 * http://minecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Explosion?oldid=11706 - Explosion
 * http://minecraft.wikia.com/wiki/Melon_Seeds?oldid=19634 - Melon Seeds
 * It's hard to find a page of any substantial length that didn't copy from us at some point. -- Orthotope 04:56, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * There are actually two english wikis of Minecraft. This is the second: click ... And there are some spanish wikis (and personally it annoys me), but that's not important because they aren't copying from here (I think...) Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 19:16, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I will discuss the situation with my boss. I do appreciate your diligence, but I also want to remind you that competition in itself is not a bad thing, and quite honestly, there is no Minecraft site out there that is touching us in any meaningful way. In this case, we are the leviathan, and Wikia is the plankton. Our communities (every language) have done an absolutely spectacular job of creating and maintaining the very best for Minecraft fans worldwide. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  05:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Competition isn't really my concern, its the fact that people are wasting their time editing that wiki, when their efforts would be better spent here; as well as people stumbling upon that wiki for information, and finding a bunch of outdated pages. –ultradude25 ᐸ Talk Contribs 06:32, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what I think! They're wasting their time editing other wikis... But well, that's not my problem. And thank you for your response, Wyn! Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 14:43, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Minecraft Wiki namespace aliases
Could we get some namespace aliases for the Minecraft Wiki namespace? I was thinking MCW → Minecraft Wiki and MCWT or MCT → Minecraft Wiki talk. –ultradude25 ᐸ Talk Contribs 11:01, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Not commenting on the request, but in case you didn't know, Ultradude, "Project" and "Project talk" work as alternatives for "Minecraft Wiki" and "Minecraft Wiki talk", respectively. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 11:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah I used that in the block/delete reasons, but it's still pretty long. –ultradude25 ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 00:07, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

New Logo
I know you initially rejected the logo introduced mid August 2012 by Quatroking because it was too big. Then you stated that perhaps it could come back to the main page - Quote: "If you can make it no larger than the current box (including the text that goes with it, then maybe".

Well seeing the logo has sat on the edit copy of the main page for five months or so, perhaps it could make a return?

(Also, the logo has sat unedited there for quite a while too, and it seems to fit the initial criteria. Goandgoo. Talk - Contribs 11:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Some problems
Hello, Wyn. Two things:

1. The search bar... We have been investigating, and we don't need any information in Vector, the real problem is that the good search bar (the one that this wiki have) is not the default search bar. This option: Enable simplified search bar (Vector skin only) (Preferences > Search) is marked for default here, but not in the Spanish wiki. So... Can you set it to default? So all users will see this search bar always (unless they disable the option). Ultradude told us that we need to ask Curse for the search bar. But we think that that's not necessary. Well, this is the theory by an user that helps me in the wiki. I think we're not wrong.

2. The .ogg files doesn't play. Instead of the media player, it only shows a link to the file.

That's all! I'm sorry if anything is wrong (I'm Spanish, you know). Thank yoooou! Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Bureaucrat
Hello again!

I've been thinking... Can you make me bureaucrat in the Spanish Wiki? It will be very useful for me.

For example:
 * If I need another administrator to make the maintenance (more) easier, I would be able to promote him/her.
 * If I need to give a bot its bot's rights, I would be able too.

The former spanish administrator, Pochi33, was a bureaucrat too. (And I don't know why he left the project in October, 2011...)

So I think that, after (near) 6 months, I have earned your confidence haha.

That's all. Thank you! Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 17:22, 27 January 2013 (UTC)


 * ... And sorry. Two messages in a row! That's mad, haha. --Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 17:23, 27 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree, Kingpowl is a good admin and I say this because I am a very active user of the Spanish wiki. Since he is, the articles are passed from <70 to 184 articles. ReyWar 17:40, 27 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I have given you bcrat rights, and I have fixed the logo and footer css. Please do not change them again. Thanks! -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:05, 27 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Nice! Thank you! :D ... And sorry, I didn't know that we can't change it. Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 18:09, 27 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi! Can I, too, become bureaucrat on the French wiki? I am currently the only active administrator because Scaler left six months ago ...Thank you for the answer! Itouchmasterpro 21:56, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  22:00, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah. You are fast! Thx Itouchmasterpro 22:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Forced Preview on Russian section
Hello, Wynthyst. Since today, 1st of February, all attempts to save pages on Russian section lead to forced preview. Well, currently at least half of all anonymous edits are considered vandalism and reverted, so this feature should lower amount of rubbish edits and it's not bad at all, but isn't this expected to be only for non-confirmed users? At the moment even admins can't save page without seeing a preview. We ask to add forcepreviewexempt right to autoconfirmed users, administrators, bots, etc. And could you also check technical requests on Directors page? Norrius -  ru.Wiki Admin  18:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * We are working at standardizing all the settings across all Minecraft wikis. I thought we had gotten rid of forced preview, but I will look into it. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes please. At least admins should be able to skip the preview. Thanks! Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 22:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Now when can this be fully fixed on all wikis or on the Chinese Wiki? Because people are screaming about it. —Powup333  ZH Admin  22:09, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * This should be resolved. We are trying to standardize all the Minecraft wikis to have all the same extensions and permission settings. Sorry for the mix up :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  23:31, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you (maybe late though). It now works as intended. Norrius -  ru.Wiki Admin  19:53, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey! All it's okay now in our spanish wiki. I hope it is okay in other wikis too. Thank you, really! Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 14:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Same on the Chinese wiki, thanks.—Powup333  ZH Admin  22:08, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Image backend
Is there any chance we could have the English, German, and Dutch image backends separated? I don't see any benefit to having them combined, and it causes problems. There have been a number of cases where 'unused' files were deleted on one wiki, even though they're in use on another. Sometimes there are previous versions that can be reverted to (as in this case), but other images have been lost completely. -- Orthotope 01:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Currently we are working on plans to migrate all our wikis to the new hydra platform. I think this separation IF it's going to happen, it's going to happen then. I have to discuss it more with our php team. In the meantime, no, they will not be separated. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  05:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * What is the hydra platform? Will it bring any functionality to the wikis as visible from our end? (Unified login would be the obvious thing here ;) ) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 13:16, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hydra is the wiki platform that has been developed by Curse's php team to run our wiki farm more efficiently. Yes, it includes a unified login as you have seen implemented on the Minecraft Forums, utilizing the curse.com user database and authorization protocols. You can see it at work on most of our new wikis that you can find on http://gamepedia.com . The most noticeable features for users will be the fully functional netbar (already here in spirit) and the new Curse footer. Our team has developed (and continues to develop) this platform primarily to improve the efficiency of backend functions, and to ease the time demands for major projects like MediaWiki upgrades. You will have noticed that MCW is still running on v1.18.x while our newer wikis are all utilizing v1.19.3. With Hydra, our IT Team can upgrade all wikis on the platform simultaneously to new versions, as opposed to having to upgrade each wiki individually, a process that took as long as 3 months to complete previously. It has also allowed us to streamline and standardize our wiki installations, making it much easier to install standard extensions, change usergroup permission settings, and various other backend configurations as requested by the various communities. In the upcoming months, we will be migrating our existing wikis to this platform, a massive undertaking that our team has anticipated will take the better part of this year. I hope that answers your questions, if not, email me, and I will see if I can do better. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:02, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope, that about covers it; thanks for the detailed response. =)
 * One question I do have, though, is how the techs plan to handle account name conflicts, especially in the event both accounts are well-established and active (I don't think this would personally affect me, so it's really more a curiosity thing based on me remembering the WMF's own rollout of a global/unified login system ;) )? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:10, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * They are working on those details currently. As it stands currently, the account names are first come first serve in the Curse.com database. In any process like this, there are going to be unhappy people who are going to have to change their usernames on the wiki, but the first time you log on after migration, you get to link your old contributions, etc to your new curse.com account. Like I said, the migration process is not going to be a speedy one, and MCW will probably be amongst the last wikis to migrate. There will be more detailed instructions coming when it's actually time to migrate. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  22:54, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Community talk post murder?
Hi, Why'd you get rid of a bunch of posts in the community page talk? Just asking. Numbermaniac 01:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * No "talk post murder" happened. When talk pages become long, it's a standard practice to archive the older posts. You can find them on the new archive page she created. Eyes 03:43, 17 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh ok. I didn't realise it was an archiving. Silly me. Numbermaniac 08:47, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries, I did add "Archiving" in my edit summary. Basically I removed all discussions that started between October and December. Only two sections had comments from early January, and I added a link to the new archive page. edit diff -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  09:00, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough i guess. It was getting a bit long. Numbermaniac 05:59, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Problems with italian wiki? Yes D:
Hi Wynthyst, how can i resolve the grid problem as you can see in the Bed page in the italian wiki? (The code of the grid is the same as this wiki).

Thanks in advance, --Raffox97 it.Wiki Admin 22:10, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ultradude25 is the man to talk to about it. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  22:24, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw that you solved the problem, thanks a lot :D
 * --Raffox97 it.Wiki Admin 06:08, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The Grid template takes whatever text you give it (e.g., "Lana Nera") and tries to use a specifically-named file ("File:Grid Lana Nera.png"). Creating a redirect from 'File:Grid Lana Nera.png' to 'File:Grid Black Wool.png' should fix it. (Of course, you'll have to do this will all the grid images.) Moving the file is theoretically an option, but could break any other wikis that happen to use the same image backend. -- Orthotope 06:42, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * AFAIK only en, de and nl share images. All other languages are free to do whatever they want with their images. –ultradude25 ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 07:21, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the Italian wiki has it's own images. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  08:01, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Portuguese Wiki
Hi Wyn, as you know, the Portuguese wiki is completely abandoned and without any administrator. For the same reason I propose the user Ruansvrn324, he is a brazilian guy, currently the only one that helps in the wiki. I think it would be a great administrator. If he it were admin, could solve hundreds of problems that exist in this wiki.

Besides that, I wanted to comment on the name of the Portuguese wiki and their respective interwiki. "Português do Brasil/Brazilian Portuguese" is the same as saying "American English, British English, Peninsular Spanish, Mexican Spanish etc". Brazilian Portuguese is a dialect not a language, then it should be called "Português wiki/Portuguese wiki". That's all, Greetings. ReyWar 23:11, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, we have no control over the way the languages are displayed. It's based on the ISO 639 list of language codes. This is a built in feature of MediaWiki and is really impossible to change. As for an administrator, if Ruansvrn324 is interested he needs to simply come ask. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  02:27, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Not exactly related, but I noticed as a direct result of this conversation, which seemed as good a place as any to report it: currently, pt and pt-br both redirect to the French wiki; it would make much more sense to have them pointing at the Portuguese wiki instead. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:08, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm honestly confused about what you said, Wynthyst. In that ISO 639 table you linked, "Brazilian Portuguese", "Brazilian", and even "pt-br", is not mentioned, and if we're following that list, http://br.minecraftwiki.net is incorrect. "br" is actually Breton while Portuguese should be "pt". I agree with ReyWar that it should be the "Portuguese wiki".
 * Also, about redirects from what Dinoguy1000 mentioned, the Minecraft Wiki:Projects/Portuguese translation page is a redirect to Crafting/pt, and it should have what Minecraft Wiki:Projects/PTBR Translation has.  05:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The language code list that's built into Media Wiki requires that Brazilian Portuguese be designated with a pt-br in the interwiki table to display properly under "Other Languages" in the left nav, I'm just making a mess of explaining it. The Brazilian Portuguese translation of Minecraft Wiki was done SPECIFICALLY by the Brazilian Portuguese community and Brazilian Portuguese is NOT the same as Portuguese (in fact they got very offended when I suggested that it just be the Portuguese Wiki while they were translating it). I am not sure why those other domains redirect to the French wiki, but thank you for pointing it out, I will get it corrected as soon as possible. I will also see about getting the url for the Brazilian Portuguese wiki fixed at the same time.


 * There is a separate project that was started for a Portuguese translation, thus the Crafting/pt and Minecraft Wiki:Projects/Portuguese translation. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  09:17, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll take your word about the way MediaWiki works, I think I understand it. As for the offended part, I find that quite amusing, especially taking into account that ReyWar compared English "dialects" to this. It's not exactly an offended reaction, but what you get when an American complains about British spelling and vice-versa is pretty similar. Thanks for the insight, both Wynthyst and ReyWar, since I was not aware they were different.  09:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know if ReyWar was part of the original translating community, or if he's Brazilian, or Portuguese, or if there are any original transltors left at all, All I can tell you is that at that time, when I suggested we just do a Portuguese translation they were, like I said... offended. I don't know how much experience you have with Brazilian gaming communities, but they can get quite territorial. I do know that the url for the Portuguese wiki was due to our (the Curse team's) general inexperience with dealing with multilingual wikis, we've mostly made it up as we've gone along, trying to find the best way to make our wikis available to as many people as possible within our network structure. Like our wikis, we are a wip :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  10:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)