User talk:MentalMouse42/Archive 01

Hi there. I'm open to discussion. --Mental Mouse 10:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Moved all my topics over here. --Mental Mouse 20:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

My current game
As of Aug-9-2012, my new world has been coming along nicely... Having learned from experience, I've been staying within the confines of my first map, while accumulating resources locally. I spawned in plains, but with forests, jungle, and deserts, all within easy reach. I also found a village and got up a few emeralds before the village got depopulated (I posted that bit as a bug...). I've accumulated all the animals except wolves (and apparently those are now incompatible with cats), and having found some melon seeds, I've now completed my set of farms. (Including the new cocoa plants... yay, cookies!)

The quarry under my original base produced a fair bit of ore including diamonds, with much more from the nearby ravine I've been looting. It opens onto an abandoned mineshaft at lava level, that's been... interesting. Especially the cave spider spawner that was embedded in the middle of a large room's high ceiling! Flint-and-steel let me burn enough webs to slap a torch on the spawner, but that didn't actually stop it. :-( I had to find (and dig) a way around to get at it from the top and take a pick-axe to it.

At this point, my next order of business is to find a Nether Fortress... I never did find one in my last game, and in this one, I've only poked my nose into the Nether long enough to throw up some cobblestone walls. The Nether:Talk page indicates the nearest Fortress may be quite far away, half the map or worse. On the other hand, The Altitude page suggests it's likely to be between levels 50 and 85 (though that graph might well represent a single game :-.

New installment: My Nether explorations have gotten out to about a 250-block radius from my original gate, with no sign of a fortress... and it's getting a good deal harder to get anywhere new -- my last exploratory staircase filled in a chunk of the map to the south, but I still ended up peering over cliffs down to the lava sea. :-( I did throw up a second gate back to the Overworld, but haven't explored much there -- I was mostly desperate for cobble and arrows.  --Mental Mouse 21:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Suggestions for Minecraft
Since the forum doesn't seem to want to accept my registration (I would have been MentalMouse42 there), I'll stick my suggestions here.


 * Placeable clocks: From the forum, but I endorse it.  Having a clock on the wall would be really nice....  I'd also love to see the placed clock act as a timer, delivering a redstone signal for one of its 12 "hours" (picking which one works much like setting a note block).  I'm thinking it should turn on for the whole hour.
 * ETA: Apparently 1.4 will have "frames" which let you mount clocks.  No timers, I guess, but at least it's a wall-mounted clock.   --Mental Mouse 20:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Redstone block as BUD: Several people on the forums were suggesting variations on redstone blocks.  (That is, a 9-1 "compact storage".)  I figure that besides being at least as interesting as redstone ore, it should do something useful.  My suggestion is that the block should light up (perhaps level 10 or 11) and deliver power for 1 second (button length) when any of the 6 adjacent blocks updates.  Just to make it more interesting, it should also energize when a mob or item touches it, similar to a pressure plate.  Whenever it is energized, it should become "insensitive", to avoid loops.   --Mental Mouse 20:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Cloning maps: I propose that maps should be clonable by dragging the new map to an existing map in your inventory.  The maps wouldn't actually stack, but the attempt would trigger the cloning instead of a new map.  Alternatively, a map could be cloned any time someone creates a new map while standing on the same block as the original (all three coordinates must have the same integer part).  (Somehow I originally got the idea this was already the case in 1.2.4, but it didn't work....)  The latter especially would have interesting implications for SMP, but the issues are straightforward....   --Mental Mouse 20:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ETA: They're doing map cloning a better way in 1.4. --Mental Mouse 02:52, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Placeable gunpowder trails. This is another idea I got from the forums, and like.  Placed gunpower would be guaranteed to be set afire by any adjacent flame or lava, with each segment burning briefly and having a chance to set stuff afire.  TNT, of course, would always be set off thereby.  --Mental Mouse 20:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Potions of fire. When drunk, it would simply set you aflame, but of course the real point is as a splash potion!  The effect would be instant rather than timed, and would affect blocks as well as mobs.


 * As a backstop to fixing the Village Zombie Apocalypse, villagers could spawn near the well when needed, subject to nearby doors. The tricky part would be if you wanted to check if the well's been destroyed... what would count?  Perhaps it should be self-repairing.
 * ETA: They picked a different method, my complaints with it are below.  --Mental Mouse 20:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I've concluded that a significant amount of the hazard of the Nether comes from the eye-hurting default texture for Netherrack, which blurs edges and hides holes. I'm experimenting with texture packs, but the default texture really should be changed to something much duller. --Mental Mouse 22:30, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand why they didn't make eggs cookable (food balance), but it's still pretty silly that they aren't. Even without cooking them though, they'd be a great pre-ingredient for some minor potion.  Maybe blue eggs (lapis lazuli) for short-duration water breathing?   Or even multiple dyes, for a decorative item with perhaps some hidden surprise?  (I just checked to make sure that you can't dye eggs currently.  That would have been an amusing undocumented feature in its own right....)  --Mental Mouse 02:52, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Ender Chest
I'm looking forward to being able to build my first Ender Chest, and considering what might go into it. With 18 slots, some items are obvious, but others... arguable. Assuming full stacks (or as much as I've got) of the most compact form, I've so far got the following: At this point, we start getting into progressively more uncertain items. We've only got half-a-dozen slots left, and I'd want to save a slot or two for "input" or utility stuff.
 * 1) Wood logs, of course.  This is instead of any pure-wooden tools, I'll make those (and a crafting table) as needed.  The same applies to the next few.
 * 2) Iron.
 * 3) Gold.
 * 4) Diamond.
 * 5) Redstone.
 * 6) Coal.  This one is actually questionable, but not having it could be inconvenient.
 * 7) Sugar Cane.  Ultimately for maps, but since it's a 1:1 conversion, might as well have the version that can grow.
 * 8) Beef or pork:  Max-density food
 * 9) Obsidian
 * 10) String... besides bows and fishing lines, this gives a few blocks of wool for beds and markers.
 * 11) Smelted Stone. The big question here is, cobble or smelted stone?   But smelted stone is easier to convert back to cobblestone (place and mine) than the reverse, and it's needed for certain crafts:  notably buttons and redstone repeaters.
 * 12) Eyes of Ender (to make more chests)
 * Bread or Cookies: Cheaper or small-change food.
 * Flint (or gravel) and...
 * ... Feathers. A stack each of these, plus 1/8 of the wood stack, makes 4 stacks of arrows.
 * Dirt, for growing stuff
 * Wheat seeds, eggs?
 * Glass?
 * Blaze rods?

--Mental Mouse 20:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Villager Cure is Problematic
Apparently, the cure for Village Zombies (which is also the means for village recovery) requires a Potion of Weakness. Unfortunately, you can't brew potions until you've found and looted a Nether Fortress. Pretty dubious to me.... OK, you could hope for a priest to offer you a Blaze Rod (and have enough emeralds already to buy it) before he gets killed. Pretty iffy. On the other hand, all you need is one Rod for a Brewing Stand, because Weakness is the only potion that doesn't need Nether wart. --Mental Mouse 20:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Welcome! and a few NOTES.
Hi Mental Mouse, And welcome to Minecraft Wiki! I Just want to say, Please be carfull when saying that a User or Users have made a mistake like "Nuking" a page or topic. See Rule5. :) Just keep that in mind. You may also come to My talk page If you have any questions. Have a good time editing! :D Spencer10APSC 18:05, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

No, Not that kind.
"Hmm. The ability to ban people would seem to be a fundamental marker of a "mod" -- the user-admin link given by timrem lists several people who presumably have that ability, while the rest of us are limited to "sweet reason" and reversions. --Mental Mouse 12:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)"


 * No, Not that kind of mod. The kind that moderates pages for vandalism, fixing facts, E.T.C. Over here, It seems the Official Mods seem to be called "Bureaucrats". Call me crazy if you want, But I don't know exactly what Bureaucrats are. But yes, It would make since on a Forum, But Other then that, I guess you could be your own mod. Well As for the forum (What you said above), Talk to Dinoguy1000, He could probably help you with the Forum thing. Give him a "Call". Later. Spencer10APSC 18:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, that's a terminology issue. The thing is, in an open wiki like this one, any user can act to deal with problems... within certain limits.  That's the whole point of a wiki.  But imagine if every spammer and vandal was able to ban other users!  Clearly not a survivable situation... yet, any wiki such as this one needs at least one person (more for big sites) who has that power -- the delegated (or direct) power of the site owner, to kick out people who simply refuse to play by the rules, or are actively destructive.  Those folks are what I'm calling "moderators", because that's what they're called in the blog-style forums that I've spent more time in.  --Mental Mouse 19:10, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * *Sigh* Well what ever. There is no rule that says anything about using this term, Just as long as you use that term wisely. what I have is a mere expression. As you said: "any user can act to deal with problems... within certain limits." You also said: "...Those folks are what I'm calling "moderators", because that's what they're called in the blog-style forums that I've spent more time in." See that's your Problem, (Reasonably specking) You "appear" to think that this is a blog like site. (If I'm wrong about your thinking, Sorry, Just what it sounds like). Here, the term "Mod" Has more then one meaning. Like what timrem says: "I try to Moderate pages, and clean up vandalism". Or me, Saying similar. Moderating here As far as I know, is just patrolling the pages, And to the max of our allowable extent, try to help. Very sorry if this does not sound right, but here it is: No one likes a "tattle tale" about unnecessary "terminology issue(s)". Things here often have more then one meaning. Even if it does not make sense at first. You just need to ask what they mean by that. Also, I don't know if you pay attention to me, But if you do, You will notice that I almost never say anything about moderating, Unless of coarse, Some one asks. Same thing with Administrators/Bureaucrats. ''The term is just a term. Not to be used as a way to "WIN" a conversation. So that's that. The nice thing is, is that, When it comes to mistakes, like yours... is I, Unlike some folks, DO NOT get mad at you for making it sound bad. But I know what you mean. Even what you probably think you do not mean. (That happens sometimes ;)-). Regardless of that I'm trying to help you, if you don't mind, I'd rather NOT "Cary on" this topic Because this can raise more questions than I can answer. So Nicely speaking, this topic is over. Good regards. ☎ &#34;To Protect And Moderate&#34; (Spencer10APSC) 20:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't have anything further to say about terminology... but weren't you, in a previous entry, telling me to be careful about calling out other users for mistakes? --Mental Mouse 02:13, 1 September 2012 (UTC
 * I don't recall what exactly what the user(s) mistake(s) was. I Do recall, that it had something to do with the FACT you at the time were new. That's all, did not want it to get out of hand. Just being clear about being careful at the time. Read my follow up message. ☎ &#34;To Protect And Moderate&#34; (Spencer10APSC) 16:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Suggestions.*
I am open to this topic (For now) Just keep it on topic! :). Now, Sorry, I forgot to tell you this. (Not that you knew this) But this is not the Place to post game Suggestions. It would be nice, but that is not allowed, this is a place to document the game. You can however, Post those Ideas on the forums. Like I said,*(My Mistake) Dinoguy1000 Does not (As far as I know) Help with the forums. *You should try asking Kizzycocoa, Or ultradude25. Ether one should be able to help you. Hope this will help. ;) ☎ &#34;To Protect And Moderate&#34; (Spencer10APSC) 20:34, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Dude, perhaps you should actually check with one of those folks yourself, before telling other users what's "not allowed". I've seen comments on the admin noticeboard making it quite clear that on talk pages, anything not actually spammy or abusive is allowed -- the admins were discussing a user who was running a personal, non-Minecraft-related forum on his talk page, and didn't seem to feel they had a right to smite that.  (The problem eventually took care of itself -- score one for restraint.)  Further, I quote the trailing note from the Wiki rules:  "Please note: Articles in the User: namespace can be used for anything, provided rules 1, 2, 5, 13, 15.1, 21.1 and 22 are still followed."  Whether my suggestions will be seen by anyone relevant is another question entirely, but I'm just stashing them here until I have the spoons to deal with the forum issue.  I do appreciate your suggestions for who to contact when I do get around to that. --Mental Mouse 02:01, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1st, The Suggestions are for you. Not me. 2nd, Orthotope that told me about the Rule 5, and said I could, to tell others about it when I had to. So if You have a problem with that, talk to him. 3rd timrem also told me about NO Suggestions on the wiki. ONLY POST FACTS. If you want to know about that, Talk to him two if you want. 4th, Ether way, I've been BUSY lately. (Read slowly:)So please stop telling me Your opinions. And Give me FACTS (With a link). If I am wrong about your opinions, Sorry, But prove they are fact(s). Otherwise I will NOT reply to your posts anymore Intel feather notice. Good regards. ☎ &#34;To Protect And Moderate&#34; (Spencer10APSC) 16:19, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Spencer, I'd recommend you read the rules properly before trying to tell people that they're breaking them... –ultradude25 (T&#124;C) at 08:32, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

shh, i have a fanmade page, @Here, lol, tiny text! Arrran Weeviling The Inventor of the Cake Bomb! 09:07, 3 September 2012 (UTC)