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Extension of MediaWiki
The Chinese Wiki is missing a MediaWiki Extension called the “Loops”, making some of the features not available, if you can fix it, it would be a great help.Thanks Hzy980512( T &#124; C ) 15:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I will get this taken care of next week when everyone is back from holiday vacation. :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  06:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much.--Diamond_(Gem).png Hzy980512( T &#124; C ) Diamond_(Gem).png 12:10, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you done this?Diamond_(Gem).png Hzy980512( T &#124; C ) Diamond_(Gem).png 03:12, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have requested it, but the team is currently starting the process of upgrading to 1.18, so I think it will happen at the same time. Most likely next week. With everyone having been gone for 2 weeks over the holidays, they are playing catch up while getting started on this round of upgrades. Sorry for the delay, and thanks for your patience :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:15, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Stuff stuff stuff
I keep never getting around to asking you things so I'll just do it all in one go. :D

GlobalUsage extension Did you get a chance to ask the IT team if this was possible to add?
 * I have asked, and was told it would be looked into... I will ask again.

SVG uploading It seems SVG uploading has been disabled, not sure when but my only guess would be the mediawiki update. Could we get it back?
 * I will get it taken care of.

Anon template editing I don't previously remember anons being able to edit templates, but recently there has been some (vandalising) edits on the templates from them. Has it always been like this or did the mediawiki update break this as well?
 * They've always had the ability to edit templates. (If it becomes a constant problem, simply semi protect the template).

Numbers of days needed for autoconfirmed? I noticed that Minecraft Wiki:Autoconfirmed users and MediaWiki:Nocreate-loggedin say different amounts for the number of days needed to become autoconfirmed, so which one is correct?
 * We changed it, and I don't remember what we changed it to, so I will find out and fix it.

The dreaded vector theme So I've pretty much finished that minecraft forum like theme, and have been testing it for a few days and so far it's going alright (amazingly, it even works it IE). Now I know you don't like the original (on the plus side, it doesn't push the page down much further than default vector), but I'd still like you to have a look at it and see what you think.

I realise that it is mainly up to the community if they want the theme or not, but will Curse have any problems with it? Updating is a concern, but I could always install the newer version privately before this wiki is updated, and then give you the updated skin to apply once ready.

Also, I have no idea if it's possible, but I think that the stylesheet should be able to turned off in the user preferences. I know some people obviously won't like it, so I'd like them to be able to go back to the standard vector look if they wish. The way the stylesheet is set up right now means the actual function of the option is really simple, it would just remove the element that is including the minecraft.css file. However actually adding it to the preferences page I guess would require an extension, which probably doesn't already exist. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 09:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * We can allow users to individually disable the new theme if it is added via a gadget that defaults to active (though this means we'll need to get Extension:Gadgets installed).
 * While we're on the subject of asking about random tech stuff, is there any timeline for getting the wiki upgraded to 1.18, and is there any chance we could get mw:Extension:Charinsert installed? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 09:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * No, no, and NO to gadgets. (Not only do I hate them, they break all the time.) We decide a single default skin and go with it. If users choose to personalize their view by utilizing their personal css that's their choice (if they don't know how, they are stuck with whatever skin is default). I will weigh in on any submitted skin the same as any other user, so just post screenshots of it, and post them for community opinion. As long as all the functionality remains easily accessible and everything is still readable (no eye bleed color palettes), I personally have no problem with reskinning this wiki, HOWEVER.... it has to be agreed on by EVERY language community, as we (Curse) wish to keep all of the Minecraft Wikis looking the same as much as possible.


 * I was told today that the 1.18 upgrade is being put on the timeline, but I don't know exactly when yet. I will post a site notice when I find out. Dino, give me a good reason to install Charinsert, and I will see it's taken care of. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  09:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keeping in mind that I've never contributed to a non-Wikimedia wiki that uses the Gadgets extension, I've never noticed significant breakage of any sort of the extension itself (and certainly not constant breakage). Individual gadgets might break when the wiki is upgraded, if some element that they rely on gets a different ID (which doesn't happen often) or the HTML around it is completely changed, but most wikis don't update the software often enough for that to be any real concern, since it's simple enough to fix. If Curse has decided Gadgets won't be getting installed, though, there's not much I can do to change that. ;)
 * I've been using the skin for a few days, and quite like it myself. You don't have to worry about eye-bleeding color palettes, since otherwise the forum would have them as well, given how closely this skin is based on the forum skin. Community consensus is still necessary, though, I do understand that. =)
 * CharInsert wouldn't necessarily be very useful here (its main use would probably be allowing one-click insertion of commonly-used snippets of wikimarkup and templates), but on other-language versions of the wiki, it could be used to allow easier insertion of accented and non-Latin characters, for those editors who cannot input such characters from their keyboards for whatever reason (whether their computer isn't configured to allow character input for that language (which itself depends on whether their computer even supports such input modes, and whether they're tech-savvy enough to know that they have to do it and then how to go about it), or (if they use a Windows computer) they don't know about the ALT+number keypresses, etc.). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * What's the advantage of using charinsert over upgrading to the proper vector edittoolbar, which has a bunch of chars in it by default (and looks heaps nicer)? – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 22:53, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if they fixed it, but we tried using the vector wikieditor, and it created a lot of problems, mostly with losing formatting while copy/pasting, among others. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:44, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I haven't noticed anything like that on wikipedia. The wiki editor is going to be included by default in 1.18 (you just need to enable it), so if we are going to use it we may as well wait until then. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 05:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I can't really say, since I've never really used the edittoolbar. If it turns out that does really work (and look) nicer, then it's what we should go with instead. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:37, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I just want to again caution you guys about adding/having things because Wikipedia has them. Not only does Wikipedia have access to pretty much every MediaWiki developer on the planet, they also have a much more extensive support network. There is generally no reason for a small game wiki (we may be huge in traffic, but in reality the wiki itself is well under 1000 pages once you remove all the translation pages) like MCW to have all the fancy bells and whistles, it simply means more opportunities for things to break. So, if you wish to ask for additional extensions, make sure you can give me specific reasons why those extensions would benefit the MCW communities. Not to sound like a hardass, but every extension we add slows down future upgrades because every extension has to be tested on new versions of MW to make sure they still function properly. Keep in mind that the Curse IT team is like 4 people for the wiki stuff, dealing with everything from PHP configs to servers, and they are responsible for everything backend on 40+ wikis. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  01:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Well WikiEditor won't be an extension that needs checking in 1.18, and I don't think we'll need charinsert if we have WikiEditor enabled. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 01:31, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I personally have yet to hear reports of Wikimedia-standard extensions breaking on third-party wikis, as long as the setup isn't too unusual and the versions of everything are kept within range of compatibility - for example, problems with extensions I've installed on another wiki (where I'm more-or-less the only person even approaching full-time technical staff) have all ultimately traced back to weird issues with the MediaWiki installation itself. This isn't some argument against compatibility/breakage testing, of course, and it's hardly a rigorous observation, just a bit of an anecdote. That being said, post-1.18, if an extension ships with vanilla MediaWiki, it's highly unlikely that it has any bugs that could cause breakage when it's used on non-Wikimedia wikis, and if it's an extension that's enabled on Wikimedia wikis, it's been tested far more thoroughly, rigorously, and carefully than other extensions, simply by virtue of the number of people using it. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:05, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Upload protection fail
For some reason, upload protection on redlink image titles doesn't work - for example, on [ 1], the "Unlock further protect options" checkbox is checked and the "Upload" picker box is set to "Allow all users", and changing the picker box option or unchecking the "Unlock further protect options" checkbox doesn't do anything - on clicking "Confirm" and re-visiting the protect/unprotect page, the settings are back to what they were, and no log entry appears for the protect action. This is a problem, since editors can still upload images to titles that are create-protected but not upload-protected. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand Dino, unfortunately at this point there's not much I can do until the wiki gets upgraded to 1.18. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, I just wanted to make sure you know so you can pass it on to the tech team whenever they have the time to look at it. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:35, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

How is the 1.18 upgrade looking, any news there? =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:07, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Scheduled to happen in February..... I will post an update as soon as I have a more detailed schedule. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  23:20, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Awesome, good to finally have a (tentative) timeline. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I hope 1.18 will help out the server load a bit, what with it not loading everything 3 times (how did that bug not get noticed in development?). :/ – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 03:10, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Fixes on french wiki
Could you ask the tech team to fix this, please: Thanks – Scaler (t) 13:09, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Use an icon rather than text for the watch/unwatch link : $wgVectorUseIconWatch=true
 * The abuse-filter is not accessible. The filters are still running and blocking bad edits, but we cannot configure them or access to logs.
 * I'm trying to get this dealt with...... -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  23:22, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  15:52, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot ^^ – Scaler (t) 18:10, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Chinese wiki plug-in issue
Hello, first time to speak to you. I am the administrator of Chinese Minecraft Wiki, same as Hzy980512. I believe he has talk to you about the issue of the MediaWiki Extension called the “Loops”, this is still unavailable in the Chinese wiki, and as our new pages keeps being created, this Extension starts to become quite important. So I hope you can add it as soon as possible. Thank you.

P.S. I am currently changing some links that guides to the Chinese wiki in here as they got updated. Some pages need admin permission to edit it. So if you can give me administrator permissions in English wiki it would be appreciated.

---Powup333 02:14, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It has been requested, (I was given to believe it would be added this week, I guess I was mistaken). -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  04:15, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bother you again, but there is another issue on the Chinese Wiki. Some time when I try to save my changes or open up a new page, the "Servers temporarily at capacity" eroor page pop up. I am not sure if this problem is cause by our wiki's setting or not. But if you can fix it, it would be great.  ---Powup333 19:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wynthyst, I am not trying to annoy you, but the extension is still unaveliable to us....  ---Powup333 21:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * And you just have to be patient. I can't make it happen any faster than it's going to happen, the request has been submitted, I've been told it's going to happen. I don't mean to be snappy, but you asked on Friday, and now you are asking again on Monday. Our tech team does not work on Saturday or Sunday, so just give me a break ok? -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  21:38, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it was due to the lack of information, if I know that the tech team does not work on weekend, I would have wait longer...... Anyway, thanks for fixing it. ---Powup333 23:44, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my tone Powup, was not having a good day, but that doesn't forgive my bad manners. I'm glad they were able to get it taken care of. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  01:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

The Loops Extension is gone! It was still there after the MediaWiki update...What happened to it?---Powup333 19:54, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This should be resolved. Any further post upgrade problems should be posted on the director's talk page. It makes it easier for me to keep track of things if they are all in one place. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  06:06, 13 March 2012 (UTC)-- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]]  talk  06:06, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Offline copy of this wiki
Hello! I'm from Russia.

My friend love to play minecraft, but he have no Internet access, so I want to help him to have knowledge base. I tried to google some stable solutions of offline minecraft data, but had no success (I got some solutions, but only in English).

Then I used some tools to download ru.minecraftwiki.net and browse local copy. But I always got a problems with encoding or links between pages. Best result is set of pages named like this - Р›С‘Рґ with broken links and some broken images.

Then I installed Apache+MySql, MediaWiki on it and tried to get wiki pages. I exported pages from ru export page and imported to my local wiki. But following this way I can't get images (also I got php errors during importing big amount of pages).

Wikipedia have subdomen with dumps (I can't post this with external link), but minecraftwiki.net doesn't have this page.

I ask you to tell me the way to solve my task, if you know it. I read about full wiki dumps with images, but now I don't know for sure how exactly export and import all data. If I have opportunity to have this dump, I will try to google it. I have some doubts about it, because this site contains ads, so data not totally free in my understanding.

Sorry for long post and my weak English.
 * Unfortunately, we don't provide full dumps for offline use. The best I can offer you is the solution you are already working on, exporting the pages and importing them. I would suggest exporting only the most recent version, and importing them no more than 20 at a time, and unfortunately, there is no way to export images, you'd have to save each one and then reupload them locally. I wish I could give you a better option for offline use, but that is the best I can do. You would need to make sure you have all the same extensions added to your local wiki as we use http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Special:Version to avoid errors in display -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:32, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I did almost all work to solve this task, but there is one last problem and I can't google solution. What should I do to upload images with not-ASCII characters in file names? Waiting for your answer.

Help korean wiki
korean wiki is hacking now. help us.
 * I added a filter that should stop most of that. I will keep an eye on it and see if it works. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  12:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Servers temporarily at capacity error in Chinese Wiki
The error "Servers temporarily at capacity" starts to appear more and more when I try to save my changes or open up a new page. Sometimes it will be down for about 10 minutes, so I cannot use this time to edit more Wiki pages, hope you can fix it as soon as possible. Thanks. (And yes, I do know the tech team does not work on weekend.) ---Powup333 20:00, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * We are working on expanding our server resources, I can't tell you when exactly it might happen. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Runaway images (again)
Some images have been deleted again, I reverted to a previous version on a few older images, but some of the newer ones only have one version, so there's nothing to go back to. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 05:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If images are deleted on the Dutch version of this wiki, will they be deleted here too? CrazyBliep  ( NL Admin ) - 20:08 (UTC), 30 Januari 2012
 * Yes. en, nl and de with same database. -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 20:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Mediawiki really needs to improve their shared database support. When you delete an image, all that happens here is that specific version of the image disappears. It doesn't leave any note about where or who deleted it. Also, when you upload over our images, it doesn't update the file history, or the current file. So you're stuck with an out of proportion image, reporting the wrong dimensions and file sizes, and the previous image is just lost, instead of archived in history.
 * I assume the same happens to you when we upload/delete images. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 03:14, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

svg and ogg images
Wynthyst, I want to ask why was the svg types of files no longer permitted to be uploaded anymore? There are quite a lot of svg files left in the English Wiki, but now we cannot move it to the Chinese Wiki. Is there any special reason? ---Powup333 01:17, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This has been reported and hopefully will be resolved soon. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  04:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It hasn't been fix yet, but I can wait for a while. ---Powup333 17:55, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Today, when editing the Chinese music discs page, I realize that the ogg files aren't allowed to be uploaded as well, please fix it (same with the svg files). ---Powup333 21:27, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No changes are going to be made now until the wikis are upgraded to 1.18.1. This should be happening next week. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  21:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yay timeline! =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:53, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Finally! The MediaWiki has been upgraded to 1.18.1! Don't forget the images needed to be fixed, though.:P ---Powup333 22:27, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Gotta finish the rest of the network upgrades, but this is in the pipeline... patience grasshopper! -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  22:29, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

12w06a
Just here to tell you that 12w06a was released ~30 minutes ago on jeb_'s twitter, so you can update the wiki. I put the new features at the dev; versions page. --R ocĸetor talk  11:14, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous edits
I don't know where should I ask it, but I have not found any information about it, so: could you tell, why non-registered users again can edit pages? If it's possible, please forbid it in on Ru Wiki. Norrius -  ru.Wiki Admin  15:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * We are working on opening anonymous editing on all of the wiki on our network. We do not want to be restrictive about who can edit. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  02:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Chinese Wiki Mediawiki update
Hi, Wynthyst, if you guys have time, can you update our (ChineseWiki) Mediawiki to the newest version, and change the $wgActiveUserDays value to 30 days? This can only be changed with the newer version, and it is quite annoying seeing the record of 1 edit stays there for 91 ays....Thanks. ---Powup333 17:53, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * All of the wiki are getting upgraded to the newest version. I'm not sure about that particular setting however. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Spammer
I really need to go to bed for the day, but can you get an America/whoever admin to keep watch? There's a persistsnt spammer on the loose atm. Just a heads up ^^ --Kizzycocoa 01:46, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Video problem (Dutch wiki)
Hello, there's a problem on the Dutch wiki. We're unable to use Curse video's on pages. We copy-paste it from here but it will only show this:



Could you please fix this if possible?
 * Reported. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you, it's fixed now. &mdash; DDieter overleg - MCWiki Gebruiker 17:15, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Spammers on hungarian wiki
Hi, i'm an admin of the hungarian wiki, and there has been lots of spammings around here, which is quite difficult to remove manually. How do i undo all the changes made by a(n unregistered) user? is there a way? or is there a way to restrict unregistered users to edit the hungarian wiki?

If you could anwer me on my hungarian wiki talk page (with the same username), i'd be more than grateful :).

Thanks, Icguy 18:34, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

p.s. also if you find it easier to remove those edits yourself, please go ahead, it doesnt need any lingual knowledge (after all, its spamming).

ps2: i think it would be much easier to revert the whole wiki to a previous state removing all the edits made in the last few days. just an idea.

ps3: i messaged you, because i don't think i have the user rights to do any of the above, and as far as i know you're the very boss around here, so i'm sorry to disturb you with so many things it's just that i can't do these.


 * Thank you, for your help, you were really fast, i'm amazed :). Icguy 19:05, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for your help, and for being so helpful! Keep up with the good work! Icguy 19:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Please note the amount of blocks it has made (the filter) i set it up yesterday, and disabled yours today. It had more than 90 hits during the night, which i would have had to remove today manually if i hadn't set up the filter yesterday. It was all spam. If you can come up fith a filter that detects bots posting TEXTS (because that's what they do), please do, but i refuse to remove all the spam manually. However it seems to have stopped for now, fortunately. Icguy 17:03, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry you feel that way, but unfortunately, stopping unregistered users from posting AT ALL is not an adequate answer. If there are additional members of the Hungarian community who would be suitable for admin rights, that can be done so you aren't having to do it by yourself, and you can always come here and ask for help on the Director's page. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:13, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry I have overreacted the situation a bit. It's just that they were constantly (every 3 minutes or so) spamming in the morning and during the night and i didn't expect them to stop, which they did surprisingly. Thank you for your help, and again i'm sorry for being so stubborn and stuff.. (my english vocabulary doesn't cover such emotional discussions, i'm sorry :D) Icguy 21:13, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You are doing fine Icyguy :D Believe me, I know how bad it can get. These attacks usually last 2 or 3 days and then they go to another wiki for awhile, and eventually they come back :D We are working on better ways of stopping them. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  21:15, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Auto overflow on pre tag
Please add overflow: auto; to pre tag styles.
 * Ok please sign your talk page posts. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  15:58, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, i forgot! – xPaw at 15:59, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Your Thoughts on my Guide?
A: What do you think?

B: Is this outside the realm of possible?

C: Any thoughts at all?

D: I know it needs a lot of work, but before I start doing all that work I want to know if I should not bother.

Tutorials/Hardcore Mode

5pr46u3 03:34, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * As a general rule of thumb. Never use "I" or "me" on a wiki. Even on a guide page. Best of luck --Moxxy 03:42, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought that might be the case, I have a lot of work to do... but thanks! --5pr46u3 03:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It's a good start, just always remember, that you are writing to the entire community, who in turn are going to come and edit your writing, adding and subtracting. You should always try to write from an objective point of view and as Moxxy pointed out, use of personal or first person pronouns is generally not the way to accomplish this. Also, adding personal commentary, is generally something that will fairly quickly be edited out. Do not be offended when someone else comes and makes changes, as by collaborating with many players of varied experience levels, these guides and articles evolve into high quality, well balanced articles that will influence many players. That being said... every article starts somewhere :D Keep up the good work. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  06:07, 16 March 2012 (UTC)