Talk:Mountains

Future update
Shouldn’t there be a new section about the confirmed 1.17 update on Java & Bedrock, as it won the MINECON Live 2020 Biome Vote? --37.223.125.14 11:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No. Main space articles are about the game as it stands, including public beta versions available. There is no beta 1.17. At best, this information could be included in trivia. ~ Amatulic (talk) 14:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Gravelly Mountains+ has no difference to Gravelly Mountains
I found this in. These two biomes are no different, because I checked their files in the vanilla worldgen and they are the same. Even the terrain values are the same. I also used to check and they are identical. So I believe that the information written in the page is not correct. ManosSef (talk) 08:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

New mountains biomes.
New mountain biomes have been added to the bedrock edition beta. Information about them needs to be included here.
 * Not sure they are biomes so much as sub-types. Currently they're all redirects:
 * Lofty Peaks
 * Snow Capped Peaks
 * Snowy Slopes (this has goats)
 * Mountain Grove (this has rabbits)
 * Mountain Meadow
 * The new mountains are effectively new biomes, the "old mountains" are being renamed back to "Extreme Hills". Source. Pescavelho (talk) 11:35, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * If you have any information on them (I don't play betas) give it a shot. Amatulic (talk) 23:36, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Extreme Hills
This page should probably be split into two, one named Mountains, the other Extreme Hills. Since the Java Edition Extreme Hills are still named Mountains, this should probably wait until after the update, but I figured I'd start the discussion now. PegasusDust (talk) 06:04, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , they're obviously entirely separate biome groups - we'll just add "for the biome which was once called mountains in JE, please see Extreme Hills" to the page. When JE mountains go back to being called "Extreme Hills" (which they likely will), there is no reason to oppose the split.--Canarussia (talk) 14:17, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Where did you get the idea that would change the mountain name back into extreme hills? It's more likely that BE's name will convert to JE (see Official pages/Bedrock Edition flatteningHumiebeetalk contribs 17:01, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It has been announced by a Java dev (Source), but I believe it's too early to call, we don't know how or if the split will be done. Pescavelho (talk) 22:21, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, now this needs to be done. The "old mountains" have been officially renamed to Extreme Hills on Java Edition as of 1.18 experimental snapshot 2. This page needs to be split to Extreme Hills and Mountains to avoid any further confusion. This makes a lot more sense given the new standards of mountain generation on Bedrock Edition, which they're aiming to replicate on Java by the way according to Henrik Kniberg to achieve "a mix of both styles". They said a lot of times that the new mountains are meant to be dramatic and contrasting by comparison to everything else, so I believe what they are aiming for on Java is making the new mountains more extreme and dotted out like on Bedrock Edition, then the Extreme Hills will occupy the more hilly and blended in terrain. Anyway that's just reasonable speculation. What we know is that they're officially seperate, and so they should be seperate here. Ziad El-Moursy (talk) 00:14, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Are the new mountains a separate biome or just another subtype (like is it with Taiga and Giant Tree Taiga or Forest and Flower Forest?) Humiebeetalk contribs 18:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Given that the old mountains have been renamed to Extreme Hills specifically to distinguish between and seperate new Mountain biomes and old ones, it would just be plain dumb to have them on the same page. Hills are not the same as mountains, I'm sure we can agree. What they did with this update is they basically added a whole new biome category that includes the new mountain sub-biomes. Mountain practically didn't exist before, given that the old mountains have been called Extreme Hills on Bedrock Edition all along, and that Bedrock was the lead in developing the Mountains. So many things screaming at us that they are seperate biome categories. Zegatrox (talk) 22:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, I now the split because of consistancy, please MOVE the page to Extreme Hills and THEN split the Upcoming section into Mountains. Humiebeetalk contribs 12:59, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The only problem is, when I try to move it the wiki tells me I can't because a page with the name already exists. That is the redirect page. How do I move it into that redirect page? Or do I just need to delete the redirect page? And if so how? Zegatrox (talk) 20:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I can do the move since I have, you just move the redirect to a placeholder page. Humiebeetalk contribs 21:33, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm going to move it unless I see valid objections. It's simply pointless and confusing to have them on the same page up till this point. I don't think this is controversial, and most people who participated were just asking questions on the lines of "Are they officially seperate?". These changes are in official development versions so it's not too early to split. Zegatrox (talk) 00:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * this proposal. "Mountains" on the future will refer to a whole set of biomes, not just to Extreme Hills or the new mountain biomes. Also, the developers renamed Mountains back to Extreme Hills on Java not just for separating thme, but because the name wouldn't make sense anymore since the new biomes are also mountain terrain, so I don't see that point valid. Also, splitting pages can be confusing for readers. If someone new searched "Mountains" and saw that the pages were split, they would be confused, because what someone would expect from a "biome group" page like this is that it would have all biomes there. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:08, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Very hard disagree right here. Henrik Kniberg said explicitly that the biomes have been renamed to AVOID confusion. Extreme Hills are not mountains. Especially since with the new mountain terrain (at least how it is on Bedrock), you definitely won't categorize the new biomes in the same way as the old ones. It just seems very dumb that developers would literally rename a set of biomes to reclassify them, only for us to neglect that reclassification. If they wanted the Extreme Hills to still count as or even be associated with mountains, then why rename them? You say: Because there are new biomes that are a lot more steep and mountainous. WELL EXACTLY! That's why a split is needed! Besides, I don't see Shattered Savannahs on the page. Why? Because they have completely different flaura and fauna, a different set of blocks, and a major set of terrain differences. If we put Extreme Hills on the same page as the new Mountains, we might as well put Shattered Savannas and Mesas there while we're at it. Besides, in the experimental snapshots where they renamed the old mountains to Extreme Hills, they also made terrain generation completely independent from biomes. So now it's a lot more logical to categorize based on the block and mob set, with terrain being a secondary consideration (as some biomes will still generate exclusively within certain terrain patterns). What do Extreme Hills have in common again? Llamas, mostly grassy and stony surfaces, occasional gravel, light snow layers at the top. The new Mountains on the other hand have no Llamas, Goats are exclusive to them, have very diverse sub-biomes, 4 of which contain snow blocks and powder snow, then 2 of which have ice. As well as a lot of flowers at the Mountain Meadows. Oh, and in Bedrock Edition, which the developers have stated continously is the lead in designing and developing the new mountain biomes, the default is that the new biomes generate along each other progressively at different Y-levels, from MOUNTAIN Meadows up to Lofty/Snowcapped PEAKS. No Extreme HILLS in the equation. Finally, when the Mountains were added, they were referred to as a new seperate category of sub-biomes. Quote: "There’s more to these mountains than their imposing heights – they also have their own sub biomes, including lofty peaks, snow capped peaks, snowy slopes, mountain groves, and mountain meadows". Do you need more evidence to justify a split that already doesn't need more than the different names to be validated? I think I can get you more if you need. Zegatrox (talk) 05:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My personal stance is still, though I suggest waiting until after the new mountains are out of development. They seem to technically be two different biomes, but extreme hills are still called mountains in Java Edition. Currently, splitting the pages would be confusing, but after the new mountains are officially added, it would be more confusing not to split into mountains and extreme hills. PegasusDust (talk) 20:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you're right, it might be better to wait. Thank you. Zegatrox (talk) 21:34, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I actually want to split now because it is a brand new subtype, if mojang added a biome called the deep dark and it was similar to the dripstone caves (for example), we would not wait until the full release, we would split it instantly because it is its own separate sub-type. This page is already getting too long and messy, we should just split it now. Humiebeetalk contribs 21:37, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hm, maybe we should get a consensus on that. Who supports moving now? Zegatrox (talk) 21:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

, however if we wait, I would wait until there is more clogging with new info about the new mountains, there seems to be consensus to split so I will remove the template, splitting will come when the page gets too long or when 1.18 releases (IMO it should be split when snapshots releases or September). Humiebeetalk contribs 21:42, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Two things
First the history section missing the addition of mountain edge biome in release 1.1 Second any references to upcoming section?
 * For the 1st one, just add it to the history bar. The second one's source could be like the feedback or minecraft.net site announcing it.Humiebeetalk contribs 12:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Mountain "Peaks"
Should we rename the "Mountain Peaks" section title, to perhaps "Mountain Biomes" or "Mountain Sub-Biomes"? Since Groves, Snowy Slopes, and Meadows really are not themselves "peaks"? I ask instead of simply doing it because I don't want to mess up any links that may currently lead to that header. Aepokk Vulpextalk contribs' 00:58, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Honestly Extreme Hills and new mountain sub-biomes should not be at the same page, especially since Extreme Hills are now called Windswept Hills; are they even mountains anymore given the new terrain? Also Henrik Kniberg said they changed their name from Mountains to Extreme Hills during the Experimental Snapshots to distinguish between them and the new "mountains". This page as a whole makes absolutely no sense at this point, since terrain generation is now independent from biomes. Meadows are not always mountainous, for instance. At least not more often than Plains in 1.18. This page is just a hot mess; if it's a general page for all biomes that tend to generate as hilly then shouldn't Badlands and Windswept Savannahs be on here? I think this page should be split into Windswept Biomes, Peaks, Snowy Slopes, Groves and Meadows. The later three have no practical correlation at this point that justifies being on the same page. Obviously the peaks should have a page of their own since they look nothing like the rough, shattered Windswept Hills and their variants. Zegatrox (talk) 05:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a fairly large discussion on this above. I think that the current plan is to wait until after part II to split the pages, though I can see some good reasons for splitting now.PegasusDust (talk) 16:43, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * splitting into Windswept Hills (default, forest, gravelly hills + removed variants), Peaks (frozen, jagged and stony), Snowy Slope, Grove and Meadow. This page is pretty messy as it covers a lot of different and unrelated biomes - meadows especially often tend to generate on their own in plateaus.--Capopanzo (talk) 14:32, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * splitting Windswept Hills into their own page, which makes sense since they're seperate from the new mountain biomes. But I splitting the new mountain biomes into their own pages. Theses six biomes were introduced as making up parts of the new mountains, so even though they're different I think they should stay together, and they were originally called "mountain meadow" and "mountain grove". Cat201 (talk) 14:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Cat201, though this could merit another discussion on the new mountains page. For now, I think we should split into windswept hills and mountains, as we seem to have a lot of for that decision. PegasusDust (talk) 17:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)