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To everyone wishing to be an admin on the wikis ~ Please Read We are currently looking for active administrators for the Spanish Wiki ONLY. This doesn't mean you can't help any of the other language wikis. Please register an account on the appropriate wiki, and contribute. Get familiar with the Wiki rules and take a look at The Administrator's Guide. If you are fluent in Spanish, and wish to be considered for promotion, please leave me a note here. Do NOT post your email addresses, as all communication will be done on the wiki. Any registered user can help with the translations! Thanks! ~Wyn

Wiki-Attacks
Wyn, please. This is crazy! You know what I mean. Turn it off, just for a few days. I'm afraid... -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 02:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  02:52, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You are so ignorant. I can't believe it. Live with the consequences. -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 03:13, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Excuse me Oliver? You have had to undo 13 edits all day... the filters have caught the rest of them. Just who is being what? I have never treated you with anything other than respect, I seriously don't deserve that attitude from you. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:16, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've always treated you with respect. Even today. But some users asked me, if we can stop it. I try to do my job, at 5 am. -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 03:33, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * edit conflict You, sir, have no idea how wikis function. A simple look at Special:Recentchanges will tell you that the vast majority of IP contributions to this wiki are beneficial. Please at least make an attempt to make sure your ideas have even a shred of logic behind them before you post on someone's talkpage, especially if you're going to (rather ironically) call them ignorant. 129.2.129.227 03:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oliver, maybe due to the language difference, you don't understand that calling someone ignorant is a pretty disrespectful thing to say. You want me to turn off Anonymous editing because in the past 22hrs, you or your community have had to undo 13 edits. What about the anonymous edits you haven't had to undo? Your wiki is better because of their spelling corrections, additions, etc. but you don't want them to be able to do that because you guys had to undo 13 edits. The only way to attract new additions to your community is to be open to them, not afraid of them. Every wiki in the world has to deal with the bot attacks. The Dutch wiki is experiencing the same issue as you are. Any given week, 2-5 of the Curse wikis are under attack by bots, we just deal with it. The Terraria Wiki has been under attack almost since the day it was launched. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:45, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * yea, thanks. You understand it. But i'am at work now, more in 9 hours. -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 04:43, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok now my detailed reply. When I woke up this morning, I looked at my phone. I saw some bad anonymous editing . I started my PC and reversed it. I was awake ten minutes and it was half past four in the morning. Because I was afraid it would be still more such changes occur, I asked you to turn it off for a short time. Your "No" was bad for me. That's why I wrote my second comment. Please excuse any insult, it was early in the day. And 129.2.129.227: Thank you for your comment, but the issue is not new for Wyn and me. -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 14:17, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's ok Oliver :D I'm not good when I first wake up and get unwelcome surprises either :D It just surprised me. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Syntax highlight extension?
Hey Wyn, is there any possibility we could get Extension:SyntaxHightlight GeSHi installed here? Having syntax highlighting makes working with user CSS and JS (not to mention the global files) soooo much easier. Thanks! =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:33, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * *poke* =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:11, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I've been debating this since you posted, and am not really sure I see a big benefit for the wiki in general with this request. It would potentially benefit a very small portion of the community, and unless you are planning some grand js project to add some new and amazing functionality (that is still easy for the average user to use) I'm not sure it's really necessary. The site itself has little css, since it utilizes the very soul of the default vector skin. You know I'm not one to usually say no to a community request, and I'm willing to reconsider it, if you can point me to a discussion that demonstrates the need, and the wish of more than just yourself. Another point to mention, the vast majority of the Curse staff is at Blizzcon through this coming weekend, so I'm not sure how quickly it would be depoloyed anyway... Why don't you start a discussion on the CP and see if there is other interest in it. Give it a week for comment, and by then everyone will be back in their offices. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  07:55, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Cool to hear. I might start a discussion after I get up some time; I'll have to see how RL plays out for me. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:21, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Considering it'd probably only be you and me that'd really need syntax highlighting, I would think that it would be more appropriate for us to do it through userjs, however I have yet to find a syntax highlighter that works on mediawiki. The one I have right now requrires code to be in, instead of just   on its own. I don't know if you can either modify the script to not need the code tags, or if the mediawiki css/js pages can be modified to have the code tags in as well. – ultradude25  ( T &#124; C ) at 09:40, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Categorization Project
Hey, I've recently gotten interested in helping out this wiki, but so far I've only really done small things, like fixing redirects and such. I've noticed the Categorization project has lain dormant for quite a while, and was wondering if I would have permission to take up the task of implementing the new category tree into the wiki, or if that is too large of a change for someone like me to do. Eearslya ( talk | contribs ) 23:08, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No need to ask permission, go for it :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  23:10, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, well, quick question. For things such as blocks, should they be under the Blocks category plus what category they fall under, or just the latter? [[Image:Redstone_(Dust).png|12px]] Eearslya [[Image:Redstone_(Dust).png|12px]] ( talk | contribs ) 23:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * They can be in as many categories as they fit into appropriately :D The whole purpose of categorization is to make it easier for people to find "like" things. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  00:08, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And how about categories? Can they be given multiple parents? For instance, Crafting items could be put under Crafting and Items, arguably. [[Image:Redstone_(Dust).png|12px]] Eearslya [[Image:Redstone_(Dust).png|12px]] ( talk | contribs ) 00:10, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  00:12, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Minecraft error Plugins
Myn Friend has installed quite a bit of plugins Like iconomy and stargate but alot of them dont work when you try them this is what comes up                                                             An internal error occurred while attempting to preform this command Just wondered if you could help Thanks anyway Chris :D
 * This is a game issue, not a wiki issue. You should talk to whoever is the creator of the mods he's having problems with. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  17:13, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Abuse filter too abusive
The abuse filter could use some seeing to. For starters, I don't think it should infinite block for everything (except the spam filters), it should warn first, then block and keep extending the block every time the same person does the same thing. Secondly, there needs to be a list of valid words, that contain blocked words. For example here, Asterick6 was banned because of the word 'cock' in cocktail, yet cocktail is a completely valid word, which it shouldn't block for.

Hopefully this issue can be resolved, as I can understand how frustrating it can be for users to be blocked because of malfunctioning filters, especially when there's no warning and it's infinite so they can't just wait the block out, they have to find an admin to unblock them. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 10:12, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, it's really not possible to get it to do things like extend blocks on each additional offense. It has a single block length setting which by default is infinite, and can only be changed in the config files. The only option is really to have it block for nothing, and only disallow actions. If you feel that is a better option, feel free to make that change. Unfortunately, the "bad word" filter works the way it works, that's why there is a warning about using small (three letter words) that may be common components of perfectly valid words. This is part of the price the admin teams pay for having "automatic" spam and behavior control, rather than manually addressing each edit and each offender, they have to monitor the filter actions and reverse any erroneous ones. I guess that's up to you guys to decide. I have very little to do with what filters you guys have implemented other than helping facilitate getting them established to begin with, I would actually take this up with the rest of the admin team. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  10:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * ...and this is where my also being an admin on Wikipedia can come in handy. =D
 * Wikipedia also uses the AbuseFilter extension (it was, if I'm not mistaken, originally developed for the English Wikipedia), and the admins there have had lots of time to work out most of the kinks in the general filters, meaning instead of struggling with it ourselves, we can just reuse their work. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:23, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I think most of our filters are based on Wikipdeia's filters. :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:51, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, are they? =D Well, I can still help out by getting us filters that are hidden from anyone but admins/abusefilter editors, if there're any that we need... ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:40, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, what I did was simply remove the blocking from the naughty words filter. It will continue to disallow the edits, but it will no longer block the user. See how that work out. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  07:54, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

CSS is loaded multiple times
It's a known bug in mediawiki, could you please do this "temporary fix" ? 

Use a zip, not a zip?
I made some modifications on the Enchantments page and I was hoping to attach my calculations so others could check them or convince themselves that I'm not just making them up. Unfortunately when I tried to create a zip file in the wiki it said that I couldn't do that. The page suggested that I try using a zip file instead. I find this misleading. If zip files are not allowed then it shouldn't say that they're permitted. If they are allowed then it should not error out. I tried checking the 'ignore warnings' option and got the same results. File:ZipNotZip.jpg Orion191 21:29, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Just for the record, this question was already asked on my talk page and I directed Orion to you, Wyn. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:06, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Extension request
I posted an extension request on the directors talk page a while ago, and haven't had any reply. Could you take a look at it? It would be really useful... – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 10:42, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry! I didn't see it. I will ask the IT team if it's something that can be done. It appears to require some backend work that I'm not sure we can support. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  10:47, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 15:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Unprotection of Data values
Hello Wynthyst,

Six months ago you protected data values from vandalism. Instead of full protection, could you change it to semi-protection? I would like to make edits to the page but cannot.

—PatPeter 23:21, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * It already is on semi-protection.
 * (show/hide) 20:45, 1 June 2011 Wynthyst (Talk | contribs | block) protected "Data values" [edit=autoconfirmed] (indefinite) [move=autoconfirmed] (indefinite) ‎ (Excessive vandalism) (hist | change) – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 23:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand, but the community has decided that only editors who have met the requirements of autoconfirmation are allowed to edit that page. You can check if you are in that group by going to your preferences and look at the "Member of groups" entry. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  23:28, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, I need 10 edits. Thanks guys. —PatPeter 01:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Navbox autocollapsing
The reason there was no discussion on that is because that's how it's been since the navbox template was first copied over here from wikipedia last year. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 08:44, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't remember those boxes auto collapsing, and given the fact that causes issues as has been reported on the forum by smartphone users, I think it's best to leave them open. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  09:23, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Autocollapsing was indeed the default with the navboxes since Navbox was copied from Wikipedia, but the navboxes would only collapse by default if there were (IIRC) two or more "autocollapse" elements on a page. It took an additional edit to make them always collapsed (personally, I don't like that either, BTW). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:55, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I knew they hadn't always been automatically closed. I don't see any real reason to have them closed. they are on the bottom of the pages, so the argument that they take up too much space just doesn't wash, if someone doesn't want to use them, they have no need to scroll to them. Since users have indicated on the forum that it just doesn't work for smartphone users, I believe keeping them open is for the best. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:58, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Well it's easier quicker to scroll to the categories when they're not there, and it prevents a scrollbar on smaller pages, but really I don't even use the navboxes, I also use search, so it doesn't matter to me if they're autocollapsed or not. I was just pointing out that it was the default settings.
 * Actually, I'm still confused as to how them being open helps smartphone users. They have such small screens that the navbox must make the page massive. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 18:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Since I don't have a smartphone I can't say, I just have to take the word of the people who are asking for them to not be collapsed. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

A Question about Chinese Minecraft Wiki
Hello, I am an administrator of Chinese Minecraft Wiki.I'm here to ask a question about that wiki. The article,which called 物品制作,can't be entered.The error is "500 Internal Server Error".

I think the PHP setting "max_execution_time" may be too low.Please check and fix it.Thanks a lot. By the way,there is a user, called "powup333", become administrator recently.So please update the Minecraft_Wiki:Directors

Regards, Hzy980512 02:14, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Meta description
There's something wrong with the meta description extension. It still shows up in Special:Version as installed, but it's throwing out an error (Invalid tag extension name: metadesc) on the main page. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 02:51, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This has been occurring on other wikis as well. Please check the other languages. Comment out any broken metas please. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  02:54, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The only one I see it on is de wiki, but I don't have admin there. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 03:03, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Anon permissions
Why are anon editors allowed to create mainspace pages now? – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 07:52, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No clue, they are not suppose to, and I can't find out until everyone wakes up. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  11:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Sorry about that. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  15:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It's amazing how many of them are able to work out how to make those spam pages. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 23:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Could we have the same fix on other language wikis, please? ^^ – Scaler (t) 09:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I have placed the request, just be aware that most of our tech team is on vacation now until Jan 4. Emergency requests are being dealt with, but non-urgent issues will most likely have to wait. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  05:45, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Application for Dutch wiki admin
Hello Wynthyst!

Now that Jeb announced Minecraft in Multi language, I notice that this will help a lot of the Dutch Wiki. There were a few months back a discussion about how to translate some words. This is not a problem anymore because Mojang already translated everything.

The past few months and especially the last few days I am rather busy to prepare the Dutch wiki for a lot of translations. I already remade the language list and started to edit some pages. I noticed that a lot of pages have outdated info or images in the Dutch language. Even the template is used wideout. This requires a lot of unnecessary energy from the server.

I already contacted some of the Dutch admins, but I think they just don't have time anymore, because 2 of them haven't been busy for quite a while now. (Archomeda), (Tomato) etc.

I've got quite a knowledge of wiki editing and am a fast learner. I am Dutch 24 years old male and can communicate in Dutch, English, French and German.

My question is what you probably know. I want to apply for admin for the Dutch wiki. I know you only looking for spanish admins, but I really think that the Dutch need some fresh start. If you want more information, please let me know.

CrazyBliep(talk) 21 dec 2011 01:35 (UTC)


 * We are happy to have every editor (of any language) take an interest in making our wikis better for everyone. At this point, I'm prepared to monitor your progress. I suggest you work with Quatroking in identifying primary areas that the Dutch wiki needs work (there are many) and see if between the two of you, you can come up with a plan, and implement it. I will discuss your desire for admin rights with him, after the holidays and see if he feels it's appropriate to grant them, based on your level of commitment and the quality of your edits. There should be little that requires admin rights compared to how much can be done without them for now. If you continue to exhibit the same enthusiasm and commitment to making the wiki better that you have started with, I don't see this as being a problem. :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  05:41, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Forced preview conflicts with abuse filter warning + rant rant rant
The abuse filter warning is supposed to let you still save the edit, after displaying a message to you. However, the forced preview is reset when the warning is displayed, and viewing the preview again resets the warning, causing an infinite loop that ends up with the user not being able to save the edit unless they satisfy the filter's conditions, so it essentially acts as if it is set to block.

Personally, I don't think the forced preview is even at all useful. In the time before I was admin and had to use forced preview, it never caused me to actually preview my edits any more than if it wasn't there. I'd simply press preview, then click save as soon as the button loads up.

Also, the forced preview apparently causes issues with the captcha, but this time the user is in a complete infinite loop, with no way to save the edit other than removing whatever is causing the captcha to come up in the first place. It seems to be causing problems, and isn't really solving any. Sure it means new editors edit a bit slower, but from my experience, it certainly doesn't make them check their edits any more than if it wasn't there.

Obviously, this should be discussed in the community portal, but first I want to make sure there is nothing that can be done to fix it (other than removing it), and if the community agrees that they don't want the forced preview, will you agree to have it removed? – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 09:52, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Of course, I thought it had already been removed..... -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  15:02, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh really? I did find some old topics in the community portal, and it seemed the general idea was to get rid of it. Do you want me to still make a new topic about it, or should we just get rid of it? (Also, Merry Christmas!) – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 00:30, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * No, start a new topic, though I think everyone will pretty much agree. And Merry xmas to you too :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  04:18, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Extension of MediaWiki
The Chinese Wiki is missing a MediaWiki Extension called the “Loops”, making some of the features not available, if you can fix it, it would be a great help.Thanks Hzy980512( T &#124; C ) 15:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I will get this taken care of next week when everyone is back from holiday vacation. :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  06:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much.--Diamond_(Gem).png Hzy980512( T &#124; C ) Diamond_(Gem).png 12:10, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Stuff stuff stuff
I keep never getting around to asking you things so I'll just do it all in one go. :D

GlobalUsage extension Did you get a chance to ask the IT team if this was possible to add?
 * I have asked, and was told it would be looked into... I will ask again.

SVG uploading It seems SVG uploading has been disabled, not sure when but my only guess would be the mediawiki update. Could we get it back?
 * I will get it taken care of.

Anon template editing I don't previously remember anons being able to edit templates, but recently there has been some (vandalising) edits on the templates from them. Has it always been like this or did the mediawiki update break this as well?
 * They've always had the ability to edit templates. (If it becomes a constant problem, simply semi protect the template).

Numbers of days needed for autoconfirmed? I noticed that Minecraft Wiki:Autoconfirmed users and MediaWiki:Nocreate-loggedin say different amounts for the number of days needed to become autoconfirmed, so which one is correct?
 * We changed it, and I don't remember what we changed it to, so I will find out and fix it.

The dreaded vector theme So I've pretty much finished that minecraft forum like theme, and have been testing it for a few days and so far it's going alright (amazingly, it even works it IE). Now I know you don't like the original (on the plus side, it doesn't push the page down much further than default vector), but I'd still like you to have a look at it and see what you think.

I realise that it is mainly up to the community if they want the theme or not, but will Curse have any problems with it? Updating is a concern, but I could always install the newer version privately before this wiki is updated, and then give you the updated skin to apply once ready.

Also, I have no idea if it's possible, but I think that the stylesheet should be able to turned off in the user preferences. I know some people obviously won't like it, so I'd like them to be able to go back to the standard vector look if they wish. The way the stylesheet is set up right now means the actual function of the option is really simple, it would just remove the element that is including the minecraft.css file. However actually adding it to the preferences page I guess would require an extension, which probably doesn't already exist. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 09:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * We can allow users to individually disable the new theme if it is added via a gadget that defaults to active (though this means we'll need to get Extension:Gadgets installed).
 * While we're on the subject of asking about random tech stuff, is there any timeline for getting the wiki upgraded to 1.18, and is there any chance we could get mw:Extension:Charinsert installed? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 09:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * No, no, and NO to gadgets. (Not only do I hate them, they break all the time.) We decide a single default skin and go with it. If users choose to personalize their view by utilizing their personal css that's their choice (if they don't know how, they are stuck with whatever skin is default). I will weigh in on any submitted skin the same as any other user, so just post screenshots of it, and post them for community opinion. As long as all the functionality remains easily accessible and everything is still readable (no eye bleed color palettes), I personally have no problem with reskinning this wiki, HOWEVER.... it has to be agreed on by EVERY language community, as we (Curse) wish to keep all of the Minecraft Wikis looking the same as much as possible.


 * I was told today that the 1.18 upgrade is being put on the timeline, but I don't know exactly when yet. I will post a site notice when I find out. Dino, give me a good reason to install Charinsert, and I will see it's taken care of. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  09:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keeping in mind that I've never contributed to a non-Wikimedia wiki that uses the Gadgets extension, I've never noticed significant breakage of any sort of the extension itself (and certainly not constant breakage). Individual gadgets might break when the wiki is upgraded, if some element that they rely on gets a different ID (which doesn't happen often) or the HTML around it is completely changed, but most wikis don't update the software often enough for that to be any real concern, since it's simple enough to fix. If Curse has decided Gadgets won't be getting installed, though, there's not much I can do to change that. ;)
 * I've been using the skin for a few days, and quite like it myself. You don't have to worry about eye-bleeding color palettes, since otherwise the forum would have them as well, given how closely this skin is based on the forum skin. Community consensus is still necessary, though, I do understand that. =)
 * CharInsert wouldn't necessarily be very useful here (its main use would probably be allowing one-click insertion of commonly-used snippets of wikimarkup and templates), but on other-language versions of the wiki, it could be used to allow easier insertion of accented and non-Latin characters, for those editors who cannot input such characters from their keyboards for whatever reason (whether their computer isn't configured to allow character input for that language (which itself depends on whether their computer even supports such input modes, and whether they're tech-savvy enough to know that they have to do it and then how to go about it), or (if they use a Windows computer) they don't know about the ALT+number keypresses, etc.). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * What's the advantage of using charinsert over upgrading to the proper vector edittoolbar, which has a bunch of chars in it by default (and looks heaps nicer)? – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 22:53, 11 January 2012 (UTC)