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Recent appearance hiccup/Sidebar feedback
So, a few days ago the font and zoom on the wiki got borked for a bit, and I noticed that something new got added (and subsequently removed): a feed to forums and a feed to notch's twitter account. I used chrome and only really noticed the feeds at the bottom of the page, but then I checked it out in IE and it really borked the page: on my screen it took up about 20% of the right side of my screen, really squishing the content. Did anyone else notice this and was anyone else bothered by it? --JonTheMon 16:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Using FF4.0.1, it first borked up the font and threw stuff under each page, which moved to the left of the page later that day.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  17:24, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Do we want to mention something to Curse so that it doesn't happen again? --JonTheMon 12:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "Please do not add this sidebar at all, add it to the right bar instead. kthx"--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  13:11, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Here's a look at what we want the right sidebar to look like:
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22949533/Screenshots/sidebar%202.png

and another sample actually on the sidebar:
 * http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22949533/Screenshots/Sidebar.png

The hope is to drive more traffic to the news page and also highlight the official Twitter also. We can look at the statistics in real time to see how useful people find the new links, and the goal was to test the spot for a weekend and see how it performs. –The preceding unsigned comment was added by DoranM (Talk . Please sign your posts with
 * So, yeah, on my screen that takes up like 25-30%, and with the left sidebar taking up like 15%, that adds up to my content being really squished. An abbreviated sidebar integrated into the left bar (possibly with collapsible sections) might be a more space-efficient plan. --JonTheMon 15:36, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

What resolution and screensize do you have Jon? DoranM 15:42, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Depending on the location, somewhere between 1024 wide and 1280 wide. --JonTheMon 15:46, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I strongly object this bar. it would just make things clunky. besides, who is going to look at Notch's blog/twitter/news all the time? we BARELY update the news as-is already, and Notch only posts in short bursts. I think for the sake of ten minutes, for what is usually idle chatter from notch, we can sacrifice these to the main page, if they're even needed.
 * or, the left sidebar. that would be acceptable as well. but right? that's too claustrophobic, and the chances it's useful to someone, if it were put on the main page (which in my opinion is more likely to happen due to functionality) is next to zero.--Kizzycocoa 16:28, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Using 1920x1080 at home on my desktop, and the bar would use 17.5% of my screen. On my laptop however, which runs at 1366x768, the bar would take up to 24.5%, which doesn't leave much space left for the content and the main bar. Now, on 1280x1024, which is a resolution used by a lot of schools (remember, a lot of crafters are teenagers) and people who use 4:3 monitors the bar would take a full 25%. Considering this is most likely the most used resolution, adding a bar that takes 25% of the screen space is just insane and a really bad choice of design. Besides that, as Kizzycocoa mentioned, Notch's twitter is mainly casual and doesn't have that much Minecraft in it at all. We're better off making a list on twitter with all the Mojang guys in it, and then using that feed instead. As for the location, how would it look like if the left bar got enlarged by about 30 pixels, and then a twitter box under the navigation controls? It reaches all users and shouldn't cripple the size of the content.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  16:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there going to be any acknowledgement of these concerns before an implementation? --JonTheMon 16:32, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you integrate the sidebar into the already existing sidebar on the left? There is a lot of white, unused space on the right. Drenay 16:51, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Too big, meaningless content, wrong place. We don't need something like this. And in german wiki, it's at the bottom again. Please remove it. -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 17:22, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for cutting my content area down to 50-60% and having large margins on the sides of longer pages. It just makes the content oh-so-special to be squished and framed by such large, expansive whitespaces. And hey! For regular pages I get not just 1 infobox, but 2 infoboxes worth of space used on the right! --JonTheMon 18:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I love the game and use the wiki almost daily, so I had to create an account to say that I hope this does not stay. The wiki doesn't need a Twitter feed and the forums are already linked on the side menu and main page of the wiki. Too much wasted space for something the wiki didn't even need. :\ Khalija 18:11, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind having the feed, but putting it on the right squishes the content a bit too much in my opinion. --Celtic Minstrel 18:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * NONTEBAM - No one need this evil bar at Minecraftwiki :P -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 18:22, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * We don't need the tweets, we aren't a Minecraft social network. The "Recent Articles" thing can go just go away, or go on the main page in the News section. We need space for our content. Drenay 18:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

--Nategiven 18:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC) ''I am running a private server with a 1280x1024 monitor on which the screen is split in half: left is the server command window where I monitor what my players are doing, and right is the item code screen for when they send me requests. I can't see any content on the Wiki page anymore because of the right panel you've added. Is there any way we can make that more screen friendly for those of us who aren't in maximized windows on widescreen monitors?''

I find this sidebar to be a nuisance, because since my computer is without a widescreen monitor, the sidebar gets compressed onto the pages and as such severely interferes with the content, making it look absolutely horrible and awkward to read. What's more, when I look at pictures, the sidebar ends up covering most of the image and I have to click on the picture just to see the whole thing, and I shouldn't have to do that. If this is a feature intended to stay, I suggest it be implemented better, with those who have smaller monitors in mind. Not everyone has a 1920x1080 monitor or larger, and with it as it is now, I find it to be severely intrusive and poorly integrated. If anything, this sort of thing should be on the front page or at the bottom of the pages, or just not used at all. DMagnus 19:07, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

For those who wish to remove the sidebar Use the skin, Monobook. it removes the right sidebar

also, after a small browsing session in Vector, I can say it is a bad place for a bar. it should either be put to the left, or onto the main page.--Kizzycocoa 19:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, so I KNOW you people are reading this.
 * stop this idiocity.


 * we do NOT want it. can't you guys understand that? this is a collaborative effort. a community effort. and the community is saying your sidebar is BAD.
 * and yet, you go against it with this insane, ugly, space-eating, useless, and even BROKEN (the twitter feed is a blog feed) sidebar?


 * like I said, I know you've seen this. until I posted, everything was good. So, as a User, and a person with my own thoughts on this, I wish to say:


 * stop being selfish with this side bar.


 * We are the community.
 * We know what we like, what will look good and what will not.
 * And we do not want this wiki ruined by higher-ups who SECRETLY and WITHOUT WARNING AND DISCUSSION ruin the wiki with an space-guzzling sidebar that can easily be put in the left bar or main page, with a link to Minecraft WHICH IS IN THE LEFT SIDEBAR ALREADY, and a twitter feed that DOESN'T WORK, and is FULL OF PERSONAL TWEETS, HARDLY EVER CONTRIBUTING TO MINECRAFT.


 * I am also saying, I am saying this as a user. I have fallen out of administration for much lesser issues due to liking the wiki and wanting to improve it. If I were demoted due to having a voice, I know I have be taken away from the team with the best intentions of the wiki in my mind and intentional.


 * Which is more than you can say on the matter.--Kizzycocoa 20:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I am too against this sidebar: the wiki is nearly unusable with this. Are you trying to make the users go away? – Scaler (t) 21:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Remove the goddamn sidebar or I will track down whoever added it and burn down their house(s). This is the worst possible thing you can do and it is completely unnecessary.--AncientPower 21:08, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd also like to add, seeing as people from a community like this would probably take it the wrong way, the above comment is sarcastic in a passive-aggressive way. I'm not really going to burn down your house, it's just a way of expressing my hatred for the sidebar. Just saying, since people around here probably can't take a joke of that caliber.--AncientPower 21:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't like the bar because it is just too wide on a 4:3 ratio. Hey, I like CRT monitors. That bar literally takes 1/4 of the screen; the wiki now looks like a newspapers column. Besides, I have those pages open in other tabs, anyway... --orionsyndrome 21:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

With the sidebar, hard to use minecraft wiki when the web browser is not maximised, takes up too much space. Not approve. Tinaun 22:02, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I've never seen a larger sidebar in my life. I use a portrait monitor, so when using the wiki the space that real content can occupy on my screen is now reduced to a column just four inches wide. It's, not only annoying, inconvenient and largely useless, it makes using the website practically impossible, and is seriously off-putting for someone like myself who uses the wiki almost every day. DanOfLA 00:24, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I also do not like the sidebar; I already check the minecraft forums regularly for news and don't much care about the twitter. If this info is going to be put on the wiki, please put it on the main page or a specific news page, but not on every single content page. I go to content pages for specific information, and the sidebar cuts the width of the content by about a third given the size of my normal browser window. If the sidebar stays, I will be use either a userstyles change or a Stylish override to hide it. MouseyPounds 00:12, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Gracious me! Management team, Please give us a way to close/open the right bar! It compresses the articles and (at least to me) is sometimes a nuisance. It's nice, but please, give us a minimize button! –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Prisma90 (Talk . Please sign your posts with

These things belong on the main page if anywhere, not on every single page. Please remove them. Munin295 01:44, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Is the picture that links to the Minecraft page really necessary? If someone is looking at this wiki, I think they would be fully capable of navigating to that page. Along with that, where the hell did you get this idea?! I have never seen another wiki have one of these! &#124; JSan 03:02, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Wasn't the right-side sidebar taking up entirely too much space that the admins couldn't remove why WoWWiki forked? >.> --Kaydeethree (talk) 03:49, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Add me to the list of people that hate this. I follow Notch on Twitter, I don't need to see his tweets on every page of the wiki. I go to specific places to see news, not every page of the wiki. Manifold 04:26, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Please keep this section on topic the topic of feedback regarding the Sidebar. Off topic posts will be removed. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  07:35, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I really don't like it. Even with a modified vector.css, there is a blank space at right of my screen, which reduces the width in the center. And same, if I want to see notch's twitter and stuff, I just type the address. Checking one time a day is sufficient, not 20 times a day. (tldr: remove it!) C ali nou - talk × contribs » 07:54, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Just to repost, Notch himself expressed that the bar has made the page worse. http://twitter.com/notch/status/81867527868792832 --Kizzycocoa 09:44, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Remove it. It is really ugly, useless and space-consuming. The wiki is the source of stable encyclopedia-like information, not recent tweets - that should go to the minecraftforum. Recent articles are the same as Recent changes on the leftbar. Tweets do not fit here and are really useless without hyperlinks - niether http://... ones are hilighted, nor @user, nor #hastag, nor are there links to tweets themselves). And because the wiki is >90% about the paid version of minecraft, almost everybody browsing this already bought it, so the banner is completely useless. And, being so useless, it consumes so much space, that users with small displays have to do an anoying lot of scrolling. So just Remove it. -- Shambler0 09:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I actually really like it although there should be an option to close and and open it. Samka 10:31, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I vote remove the sidebar. It makes me lose the focus on the article and focus on the sidebar instead. --RichardG867 12:55, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Remove - Compresses available article space and makes the pages difficult to read, particularly on smaller screens where I previously had no problem reading articles. Tswsl1989 14:58, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I made an account, just to say, REMOVE THIS THING. PLEASE. ElementalChaos 00:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The right bar column is way too big, it takes up 25% of my screen space. Please move it somewhere else. Xinhuan 04:15, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I would like to make a threat-free request to make the sidebar hide-able through the user preferences, and perhaps to make it hidden by default. I am also confused that "Recent Articles" is not actually of the wiki but forum posts, which is misleading/confusing. Furthermore the Mojang teams' tweets are already viewable elsewhere and as this is an encyclopaedic site I feel it should have its space filled with information and not social network-esque streams. Rant over. -- Filosof 16:28, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Remove - This side-bar is squishing up the articles, and also useless. We don't need it. Almost the whole community hates it! Remove it already! Somebody500 (有人500) 12:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Please remove the sidebar. It's the most annoying wiki layout I've ever seen, because of how crowded the text gets.

Righthand sidebar
moved from Minecraft Wiki:Admin noticeboard

The righthand sidebar takes up too much space. On my screen which is 1280x1024, it uses 25% space, leaving only about 1/3 of the screen left for actual content. Please remove or move it. There is a discussion going on here but with no feedback from Curse Admins for 4 days: Minecraft_Wiki_talk:Community_portal. The right-hand bar is why so many people hate Wikia, and also part of the reason why WoWWiki (the second largest wiki in the world) forked away from Wikia (amusingly) to be hosted by Curse as WoWPedia. - Xinhuan 04:37, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The sidebar is far to wide for non-widescreen. Cound ther just be an option to hide it, or to be set on jour preference page or (just like the the blocks template) by a hide button? --STS(t 19:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it's a good sidebar. It really narrows the screen, it results in a lot of dead space on longer articles, on ie6 (which I use at work thanks to government policies, it overhangs this edit window (really frustrating, can't see the end of my sentneces as I type them) and the links in the tweets aren't live. I think it'd be a great addition to the left-hand sidebar if formatted down to that width and the links activated. Also that'd be more consistent with the look of the wiki, I feel. Adje 10:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Wikia added a sidebar much like this new feature, and users were up in arms about it, enough to leave Wikia completely. (a) it assumes that every user's window is larger than 1024px wide and (b) it creates unusable empty space on the page, below the sidebar.  There's a word for it in the newspaper/magazine business, something about empty alleyways -- in radio it's called "dead air" and avoided at all costs. --Mozai 13:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It just takes space. New should be on the front page, in a box like anything else there. Then we could read the news WHEN we want to read them. I luckily have a quite wide screen put still they are annoying. Remove. -- | TheKax |   Talk   17:42, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Consensus
Ok, it appears that the consensus about the sidebar is near-unanimous in that it is not good. I propose it is either removed or moved to a less intrusive location (left sidebar / front page). --JonTheMon 14:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, we do not have the powers to remove this sidebar. also, just as bad, I fear that only statistics or Notch can sort this. that, or a huge surge in wikihate, which is still likely. --Kizzycocoa 15:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Greetings, Curse staff!
For the related forum topic of this discussion, please see here

I am Major Rasputin, also known as User:Gnu32 around here. I am a professional web developer and designer, an expert in user interfaces and an expert wiki-editor. I have numerous contributions to this wiki and for a while I had been helping out on one or two projects around here.

Could I just ask, what is this?



Thank you, --Gnu32 18:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Did your account got hacked? Why do you even ask that, it's the "new" sidebar, with recent Notch's tweets and posts. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 18:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I asked because I was merely curious as to what this large tumor was doing sitting on the side. --Gnu32 18:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * If I could, I would upvote you times infinity, Gnu32. DMagnus 19:42, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * you can here and here. --Kizzycocoa 19:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Greasemonkey
If you have Greasemonkey instaled (called 'user scripts' in Google Chrome), I wrote a greasemonkey script to get rid of the sidebar and restore each article's full width. --Mozai 15:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Every page I load now starts a video file playing. It doesn't matter that I've stopped it 100 times! Please please remove this stupid waste of our bandwidth or at least enable logged in users to hide it. It's making me regret and loathe coming here. Can I pay a subscription to see no adverts and no sidebar? I would. Adje 14:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Eyesore
A week later, and it's still a bloody eyesore. This needs to be removed. --JonTheMon 17:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * All moderators agree, but Curse as a whole so far does not.


 * We really wish we could help, but we can't. I myself feel like I'm failing as a moderator atm due to it. --Kizzycocoa 17:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Sidebar suggestion
A few notes to the Curse staff, from an admin of the french wiki: Thanks, Jimeowan 09:05, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I acknowledge you guys need money to run this community, and that this sidebar came out as a solution (using news/Notch's tweets to attract the visitor look closer to the advert... why not), but listening to the community advice is IMO especially important when you have lots of competitors out there (you know, client/supplier stuff).
 * If you guys need to use some more space for advertising, there's still plenty of ways to do it "nicely". But what is done here is way too large, the Blocks page for exemple is almost funny to see. I guess you already noticed that most of the community (including Curse members(?)) and Notch himself don't like it the way it is.
 * Whatever you decide, please make it quickly official so that we can rearrange the layout of some pages (like this Blocks joke).
 * I would be more satisfied if they actually had a dialog with us. --JonTheMon 00:48, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ^this.
 * 100% this. --Kizzycocoa 05:25, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Still waiting
Curse is being pretty damn silent about this sidebar. *coughbumblecough* --JonTheMon 15:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Still waiting... --JonTheMon 03:44, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. Curse does not agree about removal. Remove this damn sidebar or make it toggleable. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 18:19, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I believe Curse has no intentions of ever removing the sidebar, unless traffic on them stops, or unless enough people complain. and we're talking likely hundreds needed to sway them. this does not mean stop arguing for it's removal. I encourage further criticism of the sidebar. that way, there is still hope they'll act on the issue.

the incredibly ugly space-eating issue that should never have happened without wiki community criticism being accepted.--Kizzycocoa 18:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I see an oddity here: Always so chatty and opinion rich curse staff *coughwynthystcough* is not giving any response in this issue, whereas every single even slightly noobish question about building a basic shelter gets answered in couple of seconds. Seems that curse is not willing to remove the bar. Why not? Are they, like, getting cash out of keeping it up? | TheKax |   Talk   07:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Any chance Curse had at showing me advertising has been squashed with this sidebar nonsense. I don't mind ad-block whitelisting sites I support, but I'm not going to put up with this obnoxious sidebar. Manifold 15:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Re:Kax, I don't think this is Wyn's call. As per the reddit discussion, Bumble is goto person for it. --JonTheMon 16:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * you can use the CSS bypass. it's openly posted above. --Kizzycocoa 16:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Re:Jon, I meant Wyn is always active chatting. Didn't mean to blame him on the sidebar though. | TheKax |   Talk   08:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi guys, you can send me feedback at [REDACTED], I'll try to respond to everything assuming it a malicious e-mail or something. I know most of the editors find the sidebar disagreeable and of course improvements can be made, but Wyn and I cannot make the decision on if the sidebar can be removed. If you want to see changes, please encourage all editors AND visitors to send me their feedback. I considered posting my e-mail on the sitenotice asking for feedback but I wasn't sure if you guys would think that is kind of invasive. I would like to hear the opinion of everyone though. Let me know if the sitenotice thing is cool, I'm trying to get the feedback of people who are simply visitors or just drop by the site every once and a while too (they don't usually look at the community portal). Also feel free to report anything else to me such as backend issues or maybe just ideas you might have relating to the software itself. I looked into fixing the python bot issue this weekend and it should now be fixed, I haven't been able to confirm if the problem is fixed on Minecraft Wiki though because I don't have a bot set up here. -- Bumble talk 17:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * A site notice would be good to let people know that Curse is aware of the concern (even if they haven't addressed them yet) and give people an outlet to respond. --JonTheMon 15:22, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I fully support a site notice requesting feedback, and will be submitting my own to that email shortly.
 * I for one, considering the community input, would actually add it right now.
 * however, I understand I am in no position to do so, even if I can do so.
 * Still, I am eagerly watching this, and hope we can sort this issue out as soon as possible. --Kizzycocoa 15:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I say go for it (at least point out this section) so that more users can tell curse just how bad the sidebar is. --JonTheMon 13:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * So, site notice or not? --JonTheMon 15:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Two steps back
Great, now we don't have any way for the community to let curse know what they think about the sidebar, and the admins' hands are tied and they are not allowed to think of the community over the hosting. And now that the response has been redacted, it looks like we'll be kept waiting for a response at the whim of Curse. --JonTheMon 16:32, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say future silence is yet another step back. --JonTheMon 19:38, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * so, how is that new ad that's in the sidebar anyway? I hear it's raking in money. not that it's connected. at all. obviously. --Kizzycocoa 19:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And of course we can't just move the sidebar to the left where it would actually be more prominent without being a pain for, oh wait, the actual users of the wiki. --JonTheMon 16:43, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * God, it never ceases to be ugly. I hate to say it, but it might actually be better for the wiki if it drives people away. --JonTheMon 18:19, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Sharing?
Hi. I'm new to Minecraft, and I was just wondering if, in multiplayer, one player can share an item with another. I haven't done multiplayer yet, but have a friend who wants to.

uuum, you throw it at them? please play multiplayer before asking questions on it --Thatdude624 16:54, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Play multiplayer and press Q (default) to drop an item for someone else to be able to pick up. Or open the inventory screen and drag an item to the outside of the box. Hope i helped :) --Gunnez360 11:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

New bug?
I noticed that when I look at glass through glass, the glass I'm looking at is invisible. Any help? –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Noodleharm (Talk 04:54, 16 June 2011. Please sign your posts with
 * As far as I know glass has always behaved like this. – Scaler (t) 07:38, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

This isn't a bug, glass is supposed to act like that. Can you imagine if you could see the particles on every block of glass? Thick panes would barely be transparent at all...

DanOfLA 00:34, 18th June 2011 (UTC)

Swedish translation
Hi, I'm going to start a Swedish translation, all contributes are welcome! The project would have the name Minecraft Wiki:Projects/Swedish translation. Platina 10:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Just a question, when am I able to create new articles? Is after 4 days, or? Platina 10:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 3 days and 10 other edits. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  11:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, thank you! Platina 17:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Page creation restrictions
Hi guys! A while ago we applied some page creation restrictions to limit some spam bot activity. We have developed some new ways to deal with the spambots, so I have had the restrictions lifted. Pages can now be created by any user from the moment they register.

Just because we have new tools, it doesn't mean we don't still need your eyes to watch for spam, please use the Minecraft Wiki:Admin noticeboard to let us know if something isn't working the way it should! -- Wynthyst  talk  23:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

SPYWARE ALERT: ScorecardResearch
The wiki's been compromised with a dangerous piece of spyware called ScorecardResearch. I don't know how, but this is the sourcecode that's been injected into the site:

This is a screenshot of what just came up a few minutes ago: http://i.imgur.com/G5bI8.png. It is important that users ignore this box or click the X, but it would also be safer to keep off the Minecraft Wiki until this is fixed. And before anyone suggests it, no this is not my end. I don't get spyware or viruses.

Thank you, --Gnu32 19:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw this an hour ago. I can confirm this.--Kizzycocoa 19:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not a dangerous piece of software, it's an industry standard analytics platform. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No honey, I don't think you understand. This is a malware attack. If you're suggesting that maybe, somehow, this is supposed to be on this website, something is very, very wrong here. --Gnu32 19:22, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have never seen that before. It's probably Adblock. Drenay 19:19, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No HONEY, you don't seem to understand. This is a tool that we are using to gather analytic data. It's not malware. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. --Gnu32 19:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It sure seems like the same thing that has caused thousands of people computer issues, looking at those search results. Manifold 22:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I read through most all of the articles, and understood that the issues were not with the computers, but with the sites those computers were visiting. It also appears that any issues they may have had are in the past, as all of those results are 6 months old. Of course, I urge any of you to report to us immediately if this in any way impacts the performance of your computer. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]]  talk  06:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

this looks like somthing i seen in my computer class. i think it is a random script corroption

random page in English
is it me who are being really blind and don't see a "always show pages in English" button, or is a page automatically showed in a language that is under the translation project when i click the random page button (witch i tend to do sometimes when i'm bored)? If it is automatically shown in a different page than English, would it then maybe, be a good idea to put up a box somewhere on the page saying "This page is part of the minecraft wiki translation project. Click a language below to see the page in that language" or something along those lines. Again if there is an "always show pages in English" button please tell me where it is (but please, be kind consider the idea i suggested to, i would appreciate it) Trunks554 17:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Random page is a random page of the whole wiki including the sub-pages of the translations projects. There is already a box saying if a page is part of a translation project (if translators don't forget to add it) and a link to the english page (just under the page title). – Scaler (t) 00:04, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I've been looking at this issue for a while, and apparently it can be fixed using this. It's an improved version of the original feature, however the original has been deprecated since MW 1.16.0. Using the original feature, all we'd have to do is this:  which would then exclude all pages in the Projects category. I have no idea how the improved version works however. Luckily, a friendly IRC user on the #Mediawiki channel is willing to look at it some more for us, as it might prove useful to him too!--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  11:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

changing rule 20.A proposal
Rule 20.A at the moment says:"This rule does not apply to articles covering Mods.", there is a problem with this version, as it suggests that rule 20 does apply to texture packs, and that you can use custom texture packs that have no connection to a mod the screenshot was meant to show. Thus I propose this version:"This rule does not apply to articles covering Mods and texture packs, as long as the screenshot contains custom texturepacks, UI mods and other custom content that is relevant to the article".--Yurisho 07:11, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Project files images
Hi! There are some project files images such as File:Template1.png, File:ItemslistV110.png, File:DataValuesBeta.png? Photoshop project or Gimp or anything else? And if someone could share it? It's very useful to translate.  Lewandowski pl.Wiki Admin   talk  16:37, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Where should I put this?
Drenay 04:20, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


 * corrently there is no errors page, you may want to make a paragraph about errors in the bugs page.--Yurisho 05:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Custom
Would it be a good idea if there was a section/page in this wiki that allowed users to add their own ideas for Minecraft? You know, new mobs or new kind of blocks. --Zippy 10:45, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * We currently do not support suggestions for the game nor are there any plans to in the future. The Forum is the much better place for those kinds of things. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  10:47, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Or even better, go tweet them to Notch, Jeb, etc. so if thy are good ideas, they may come true some day! | TheKax |   Talk   07:35, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

passive mobs needs edit
Note the pages of the passive mobs needs to be edited to fit the wiki's standard, I don't have the power to do it right now, and wouldn't want to do it alone anyways, so please help a little.--Yurisho 10:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

redirect template
How about adding a redirect template to this wiki, that will say: "A redirects here, for B, see C"--Yurisho 16:11, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, tell me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it do that automatically? | TheKax |   Talk   08:01, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Swedish translation
Now, the page for Swedisch translation is finished! All Sweds and others who talk Swedish are welcome! Platina 06:20, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Stop with the youtube videos!!!
Please guys, Use youtube videos only on tutorial pages, or official mojang videos, please! admins can't you make a rule about this???--Yurisho 11:49, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh lol there is a rule...--Yurisho 11:50, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There is not only a rule, there is a POLICY. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  12:32, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Hebrew translation editing problems
There is a problem to translate pages to Hebrew because Hebrew is written from right-to-left, and a common problem with that is that when Hebrew and English are written together in one line it creates a mess, if the text editor does not support it, so people like me who wants to contribute to the translation - can't, because it is just too convoluted. I believe I am not the only one here who asks for a plug-in that will solve this problem, Thanks.--Yurisho 20:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

good building ideas
Scott619 10:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC) one thing i do when i bild a safe house i place 60 or so blocks of cacktis around it to stop the creepers.

wiki youtube channel
I was searched in youtube "minecraft wiki" and found a few people who made videos for the wiki, the problem is that all this videos were against the policy, mostly by having people talking in them. So I thought we should have an official youtube channel that will be made as an official source of videos on this wiki. The idea is that people will send the channel admin videos, and he will examine if they meet the policy, and that they are not tutorials about stuff that doesn't need a video(how to craft X,Y,Z, etc.) and if they are OK, he will upload them, and thous videos can be used in the wiki without worrying that it is against the policy. If the admins are OK with it I am willing to be the channel admin.--Yurisho 08:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't see much problems about people talking, but some people can't understand spoken english good (like me). Speaking is OK if there are subtitles, IMO. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 08:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem with voice tracks is that they are then unsuitable to be used on the other language wikis. As for an official channel, it is something that is being considered. I do appreciate you volunteering to be the channel admin, and it will definitely be taken into consideration. The use of embedded videos on the wiki is something we are just beginning to explore, so there are a lot of things to be thought about. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  09:19, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Would subtitles be okay? Then, the subtitles could be translated and put as a subtitle option for that video. Drenay 18:48, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Reverting several edits at once
I don't see why reverting several edits at once is not allowed for users (or at least autoconfirmed users). Why disallow it, when you can still revert many edits at once using another method, but which by default does not include any "change summary" ?

The method is to go in "View history", then select the latest and the older revision to revert to, then compare them, then click "edit" from the older revision, then save. <font color="Blue">C <font color="Orange">ali <font color="Purple">nou - talk × contribs » 18:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Dutch translation
Any need for a dutch translation? If so, I would love to help translating Minecraftwiki. --Dutchpowert
 * Please sign your comments! You can find the Dutch wiki over here. Your help will be appreciated!--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  22:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Rule proposal: No info, no screenshot = No article
More and more articles have been showing up that have been based on single tweets by Mojang AB members. How awesome ideas may be, just because something gets mentioned in a tweet once doesn't mean it'll be added let alone considered.

Adding a rule that prohibits the creation of articles that are based solely on these tweets would help a lot in maintaining the Wiki's quality as well as keep it more updated; Requiring sufficient information as well as solid visual proof of new content would be a good solution for this.

My idea is to add the rule "No info, no screenshot = No article". If something gets tweeted about a lot but doesn't bring up screenshots (i.e. lanterns) it'd would be an exception on this because there is plenty of information available, and vice-versa although only screenshots would then again build up speculation. The main idea is to maintain quality throughout our articles.

Please leave your thoughts and comments.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  11:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree. Those articles are semi-useless and tend to collect all kinds of fanfic info and speculation. However, such info about new stuff mentioned in a single tweet should not be completely omitted. How about a single article, named something like "Unconfirmed features"... Or something, where every "unconfirmed" (that is, "no screenshot, not much info"-features) would have their own category, with the available info. And then add redirects from experience orb, spikes, etc. to the "unconfirmed features". This would allow us to contain info of the new stuff as well as eliminate most of useless stubs. Thoughts about this? | TheKax |   Talk   16:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Information that developers release that obviously isn't a joke (I still can't believe someone made a Hamburger article) should not be entirely discounted. The Upcoming Features article seems too definite for features that are so in development that they are very likely to change, so an article following the development of new things would help proliferate the knowledge of updates.  I know quite a few people that are not able to follow the Twitter and Google+ accounts of developers but would still like to know what to expect in future patches.  It is, after all, data that is contained in a version of Minecraft even if that version is only known to the developers.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 16:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree, and I also agree with your lanterns example. If there is sufficient information for an article, but not a screenshot, I think that's probably ok.  But there would probably need to be more information in that case than if say, you had a screenshot + info.


 * As for another article, I don't think that's necessary - we have Upcoming Features already which is probably fine. Ultimately I'd even say if all the information for an item can fit just fine on that page (i.e. it's a sentence or two, no screenshot), then yeah, leave it there.  No need for a new page.


 * Edit: Regarding "only screenshots" - I would say that depends on what it is.  For example, the "ruins/stronghold" bricks, yeah, you could make an article for those that say probably almost everything a finished article would say.  Even without specific info, it's obvious what they are.  Tall Grass is another example - Notch just released a screenshot, but it was obvious what it was from that.  Then on the other hand, you have something like the "Dry Sugar Cane" debacle where no one knows what the hell it is and everyone has different opinions on it (I still say there is no way in hell that was in any form a type of Sugar Cane :P).  So I'd say - rule of thumb, if you can't tell definitively what it is from the screenshot (and maybe you don't have the exact right name, but it's close), there shouldn't be an article.  --Warlock 16:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * , we had long discussion at some articles, too. (Yes, we also write our own). Therefore, I support the proposal. Guessing games can be held in the forum. -- <font color="#008B8B">Oliver Scholz  <font color="#77B33D">de.Wiki Admin 22:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think the upcoming features page will do it too, we just need to keep it clean and tidy, since I've seen some speculations slip in there sometimes. And if a sentence or two isn't enough, then it will probably deserve an article. | TheKax |   Talk   08:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * - This rule is definitely good, but about the lanterns, I don't think they should be conserved, even if they have a good amount of info (most info is speculation: torches will probably not burn out but lanterns will be a new style of torch), there are no screenshots (proof that Mojang works on them), then they should be removed. <font color="Blue">C <font color="Orange">ali <font color="Purple">nou - talk × contribs » 18:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that info came directly from Notch. The plan was always to have torches burn out and lanterns would be the "permanent" torch.  But I think he stopped liking that idea. Looking at the page right now, none of that is speculation - it's all stuff Notch said.  It's probably no longer true, but it's not speculation.
 * Edit: Minecraft_Halloween_Update <- original source for most of that info --Warlock 18:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the rule should be no info AND no screenshot. See "More underwater content" which was announced in February, still no pictures of new underwater stuff... <font color="Blue">C <font color="Orange">ali <font color="Purple">nou - talk × contribs » 23:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

IRC link in sidebar
It's broke-ed. I think the new link at MediaWiki:Sidebar should be http://www.minecraftforum.net/irc instead. --JonTheMon 20:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed it! Got rid of the Skins link too since that was dead too.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  21:18, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Woot! --JonTheMon 01:09, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * （・∀・） --Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  01:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Portuguese TRanslation.
Hello. I wonder how I can access a portuguese portal or if there is no way, if I can create and help develop the portal...

I am a member of the Portuguese community of minecraft and the fact that there is no information in portuguese is boring...

Cathal Foster 16:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * See Minecraft Wiki/ptbr and Minecraft Wiki:Projects/PTBR Translation. Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 17:13, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism
User Terrysteven vandalized the page Steak.

ElementalChaos 19:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

English or American english?
We sorta need to get a uniformity going in the wiki. this is an issue in many wikis, and needs to be corrected.

What type of english do we use? American or English?

I personally, of course, choose British English, though I know the majority of readers are american. so it's an issue of origin versus popularity.

thoughts? votes? --Kizzycocoa 15:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * American English, because the majority of users are American, Curse is an American company and the servers are located in America. (as far as I know)--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  15:11, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I am going to vote for American English simply because it is easier for Firefox users. The default installed Firefox autocorrect dictionary prefers American English, even in the Great Britain version, or so I have read.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 15:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Also voting American English - it's what the majority of people are used to and frankly, if you went British English people would just be correcting articles anyways (because no one bothers to read the rules :P) --Warlock 15:21, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I vote British English, simply because I automatically spell that way. Especially when describing the colour of things, or what behaviour they display. :D DreadLindwyrm 15:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * There was already a discussion on the date format that should be used, and I believe whatever language that is used, it should be the same as that language's date format, or all dates are changed to an international standard, or at least an internationally readable format (DD Month-Name YYYY).
 * I, of course, will vote for British English, as this is a wiki, it is generally considered best to use the most formal language (even small things like saying it is instead of it's). Remember that "American English" is just a lazy version of British English. It is even slightly similar to txt speech, which while much more lazy and severe than what American English has done, American English is still removing letters from normal words with the only reason to make them quicker to type or write, which is the same and very popular concept of txt speech. – ultradude25 ( T at 19:48, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Note the vast, vast differences between the Wikipedia pages for American English and SMS Language or Internet Slang. American English is a dialect in its own right, containing a large amount of unique words (not abbreviated phrases).  As far as calling British English the most formal language, I'm going to have to say:   :)    Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 20:04, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem is I'm extremely biased against American English, because I hate America for being childish with this whole "we have to be independent and not do anything the same as anyone else" nonsense (which is ironically making me be childish about it). Things would be a lot simpler if America just stuck with normal English, and didn't use outdated measurements like Fahrenheit. </stupid rant that everyone should hate me for, also scaler has a good point> – ultradude25 ( T at 17:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It makes discussions like these pop up on all of the wikis. :T And Scaler does have a good point. (Possibly a discussion-resolving point?)  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 17:39, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * You realize Britian has its own crazy system of measurements too, right? --Warlock 17:43, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't like Britain's money system, I don't actually know what measurements they use, but at least they use normal temperatures. – ultradude25 ( T at 00:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Isn't Minecraft using American English (gray instead of grey)? I think it could be confusing to have the games terms in American English and the rest of the page in British English. – Scaler (t) 20:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I vote for American English. Mainly because it's the english I learned and know how to write. Ok, you can say now, that you would correct it to British English. But thats a lot of work. But I know too, that there are people who have time to do such things. The other point is the thing Scaler highlighted. –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Freaktechnik (Talk . Please sign your posts with


 * I think it does not matter as long as we don't use british terms like trolley or american terms like a la mode. not that anyone would really use either of those on the minecraft wiki, but most american people understand grey and colour and most british people understand gray and color. Also in terms of measurements we should use the metric system because minecraft uses meters. Also what is everyone talking about with the british being more formal? You guys use contractions too- right?

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 * "à la mode" is not american it's french ^^". I agree to use the metric system. – Scaler (t) 20:05, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * American English is the Curse standard. That being said however, Queen's English is also acceptable, and not something that should be hunted down and changed, nor should any use be reprimanded or reverted for using it. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  00:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Notch/Mojang Watch?
I think it's time to devise a new plan.... Not every little item mentioned by Notch or the rest of Mojang in tweets, and blogs will become a part of Minecraft, yet people seem to believe that everything needs a page. I suggest we create a single page where this stuff can be listed, and the links to the tweets and comments can be posted for future reference. If and when we have confirmation that an item is coming in a patch, or has actually been added to the game, THEN the information can be used to create a page.... Opinions? -- Wynthyst  talk  00:36, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A huge list of citations with the references along with it should be workable.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  01:22, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * To quote my response two topics above:

The Upcoming Features article seems too definite for features that are so in development that they are very likely to change, so an article following the development of new things would help proliferate the knowledge of updates. I know quite a few people that are not able to follow the Twitter and Google+ accounts of developers but would still like to know what to expect in future patches. It is, after all, data that is contained in a version of Minecraft even if that version is only known to the developers.
 * --Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 02:38, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I follow Notch's Twitter feed religiously, and I have excellent bullshit sensors - I can almost always tell when he's just joking around about some feature or another (cue hotdog tweet) - so I could help out in that regard. Does anyone do the same for Jeb's Twitter feed? 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, Jeb knows about this particular issue since I told him about it once on the IRC. Either way I've got him followed too and it's pretty easy to filter out the jokes and stuff.


 * We can probably make a big page of references using grouped references; . If we'd then just group a lot of twitter messages, Google+, /r/Minecraft and other links, we'd probably get a rather clear overview of all citations made by Mojang.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  08:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I think we should make this happen... sooner rather than later??? -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Any suggestions for an article title? 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:10, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm already working on a draft, I decided that Citations, references and sources would be a good title.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  18:18, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

help with beta
i got beta about a week ago and i was trying to load it today and it wont load :( –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jordan9839 (Talk. Please sign your posts with


 * Please clarify. CosmoConsole 	<font color="#D2691E"> my page! my talk! my contributions! 17:05, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Old articles lost in the wiki in bad quality
Some of the articles in the wiki are old, outdated, badly written and generally bad, for example: Chunk updates, Admin, Lua Scripting, Creation and saving class. Map Editing (hex) all of thous articles are from Category:Server and Category:Development, which contain many articles like thous, but I believe there are more categories like that! I have no idea what to do with them..delete? rewrite? merge? i really don't know...--Yurisho 15:29, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * For the record, a list of pages which have gone the longest without being edited can be found at Special:AncientPages. Interesting how many pages from translation projects are on that list... 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:34, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ignoring the translation articles, the others should be tagged with a version of Template:Outdated that indicates they need to be updated/rewritten etc. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:32, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Really? Template:Outdated?? It doesn't even makes sense...--Yurisho 19:10, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Template:Outdated refers to features that were once in normal Minecraft, but are no longer. I, personally, have been sorting through them to see what I can add to the articles, but most of them are translations.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 19:14, 25 August 2011 (UTC)