Talk:Redstone Dust/Archive 1

Red stone ore & Irone ore
You know?, it's a little curious but because of his conductance properties and its use in electric circuits I would say that the red stone could make reference to copper, but the red stone ore seems more like some iron ores and the iron ore seems like containing pure copper.--Namredne 03:14, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Wire / Dust
What about Redstone Wire? Does this along with Redstone Dust since the wire is made from the dust? --Psych 19:34, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Redstone Wire, as a "block" (that is, on the ground) is kind of a technical block, like the arm and plunger of a piston. You can't have it in your inventory without cheats or craft with it, unlike Redstone (the dust). I believe the wiki is specific enough to have separate articles for the two. - Apollyna (T 21:44, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Multiplayer dupe bug
Placing Redstone dust and Torches onto leaves places it, but doesn't take from your stack, duping it. --Vipermagi 19:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Is this still a glitch? - Apollyna (T 21:44, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

This bug is possibly only clientside, try to open a chest after doing this... This will sync the inventory with the server. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 21:58, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Redstone/Monster Spawner
I used TooManyItems mod to get a pig spawner, then was able to place red stone on it. Is this a bug or not? Just wanted to report it. --Throex 21:38, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

It is not a bug; its normal. You can place torches on it too. I see how you think of it as a bug due to a monster spawner being transparent. Pigisdeado 14:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

90.194.204.253's revisions
User "90.194.204.253" was helpful enough to put redstone't use in potions, but 1.9 hasn't come out yet. I've cut out that part and put it here for future use. - Apollyna (T 02:42, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Now, as of beta 1.9 pre-release 3, it can be brewed with a "Water Bottle" to create "Mundane Potion" Mundane Potion has no effect, and can only be brewed with a fermented spider eye to make "Potion of Weakness." This makes Mundane Potion useless and time-consuming, except to save fermented spider eyes.

Smelting
I think Redstone Ore can't be smelted into Redstone Dust. This is a contradiction to Redstone_(Ore), where is said: Though it is called an "ore" it cannot be smelted into a pure substance. --80.171.116.250 11:36, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

You can smelt redstone ore into redstone dust. But you can only obtain redstone ore through the silk touch enchantment and it is inneffecient anyway... Pigisdeado 14:19, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Block of Redstone
There should be a block of redstone, like diamond blocks. It would be very useful as storage because I find redstone a lot and have two chests full of it. -- Pigisdeado 22:27, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Good idea, but this isn't the forums. user:Noobnathan


 * Funnily enough, redstone block is now a thing! :p 76.17.139.125 05:25, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


 * You're a bit late. - MinecraftPhotos4U (talk) 12:11, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

12w15a
12w15a has a bug where if you use the new creative mode pick block function on redstone dust (placed) it gives you the technical block for wire.--Pigisdeado 18:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Block?
I think that there should be a block of redstone, all the other minerals have it, even lapis, which is nearly useless, so shouldn't redstone get it's own block of nine minerals? Oh Boy this is a signiture of sorts, oh and I like Pokemon 20:22, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

The wiki is not venue for suggestions. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 21:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, now it has happened. Check out the latest 1.5 snapshots for the Block of Redstone Numbermaniac 07:25, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Finding your way in caves
In the trivia, it says: "Another good use for redstone, as people generally accumulate too much of it while exploring natural dungeons, is to use it as a way to find your way in a cave, so that you do not get lost. By placing redstone dust on the right- hand side of the cave, you can find your way out again by keeping the placed dust on your left."

I don't think this belongs there. You can do this method with almost every other material in the game, so I don't think it really belongs on this page only.

Would history be a good addition?
I've seen different versions of Minecraft. Some allow some items to be made and others not. Would it be good to have a short block for when each items was introduced? Many other items have a history block, so why not redstone? 216.114.226.156 07:30, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


 * This may be another page in which the history table template wasn't created at the time of publishing this article. At least now it does have a table. Numbermaniac 07:27, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Fullmetal Alchemist reference
Redstone could very well be a reference to redstone in the manga/anime Fullmetal Alchemist, where it is a liquid that can be solidified into a rock that can mimic the effects of a philosophers stone. Seems equally "semi-magical" like the redstone in Minecraft. 24.132.21.185 22:12, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Real life reference
Now that you mention it, the red stone is real, the true alchemists created an alloy that had properties that are very similar to gold's and I think that its named alchemist's gold, although I think that it's very expensive to produce and doesn't share gold's conductivity properties, because of that must be unpractical.--Namredne 03:06, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not so sure about the reality of Redstone.... Numbermaniac 08:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Server redstone problems
Hey, MinecraftWiki, on some servers my redstone clocks stop working for a few seconds, and then start again. Is this happened to any of you guys, let me know. For more info on clocks, mabye go to Redstone Repeater

Thanks

--EpicGuy27 09:05, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Dust "bugs"
There are two significant bugs with redstone dust that have been in the game long enough that they can be considered features (like quasi-connectivity for pistons), and I'm wondering what is the best way to discuss them:


 * [//mojang.atlassian.net/browse/MC-3703 MC-3703]


 * Reconfiguring dust orientation by moving or placing blocks will not update neighbor components (unless it also incorporates a change in power level, or another component is also updated)
 * Currently, I placed this in the discussion of how redstone dust configures itself, but it's a little advanced for that section


 * [//mojang.atlassian.net/browse/MC-4239 MC-4239]


 * Redstone dust changing to obsidian
 * Currently this is listed under trivia, but it's an actual game mechanic so it probably should be in the main content somehow

Right now I'm thinking of adding a mini-section called "Tricks" to the Redstone Dust section, and then discussing these two behaviors. If someone can come up with a better name, or a better approach, great.

I don't think I'll mention the related bug reports (that might invite people to start listing all the other dust bugs). Until they're marked as "Works as intended" or assigned to someone, we don't actually know if they're considered bugs by Mojang, so these behaviors should simply be discussed as how dust works.

&mdash;Munin295 &middot;  &middot; 17:14, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * "Special Features"? &mdash;Munin295 &middot; Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Stone_Pickaxe.png &middot; 17:17, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

New Page
Ok, i had an idea for a page "Redstone Mechanics", and i though i would ask everyone before i did if you would like that page. I am aware "Redstone Circuitry" is a page, but i think this could be a separate page. What do you think? Mokiki 02:53, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


 * There are several pages on redstone mechanisms already; see Template:Redstone. Does your content fit into any of the existing articles, or is it unique enough to need a new page? -- Orthotope talk 05:33, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, the Redstone Circuitry page does not go into detail much, just gives you links to main articles. I was thinking my page would go into more basic stuff in greater detail. I was also looking at the template you sent me, there is not really a 'all in one' page, the closest i saw to that was MISC circuits. There is individual pages about various redstone things, not one page going into medium detail on all. Mokiki 19:53, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


 * We used to have all the redstone circuits in a single article, and it was a mess, so we broke it up into smaller manangeable articles.
 * Just to be clear, are you talking about redstone components (individual redstone blocks and how they work: repeaters, pistons, etc.), redstone circuits (structures which operate on signals: logic gates, clocks, t flip-flops, etc.), redstone mechanisms (structures which affect the environment: automatic farms, piston doors/elevators, item sorters, etc.), some combination of the above, or something else? Can you give us some examples?
 * &mdash;Munin295 &middot; Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Stone_Pickaxe.png &middot; 20:20, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Sure, im talking about components and how they work, just on one page rather than individuals, and logic gates, and flip-flops, stuff like that all in one. Like my page would have a section explaining T-flipflops, as well as a piston and its possible uses, etc. But this might go better as an edit on MISC circuits, as i thought that page didnt explain things well at all, and i also thought both components and structures should be on the same page. And i think Redstone Mechanics is much more descriptive. Mokiki 23:40, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I definitely wouldn't try to add all that to misc circuits. That's intended as a leftover article for circuits which don't fall neatly into the other categories (and I'm thinking about ways to get rid of it entirely).
 * Like I said, we tried putting everything in one article and it was just too huge. But it would probably be useful to have a tutorial which introduced beginners to redstone, even covering some basic circuits. It wouldn't be as exhaustive as the articles, but might be more accessible. Is that what you're thinking? I'd be for that.
 * &mdash;Munin295 &middot; Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Stone_Pickaxe.png &middot; 00:04, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Yep, thats what i was thinking! And i agree about getting rid of MISC Circuits, it is just kinda messy. Mokiki 00:37, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It looks like there have been a couple of attempts before, but people didn't get too far, so they were eventually redirected to redstone circuit:
 * [//www.minecraftwiki.net/index.php?title=Tutorials/Complete_Redstone_Tutorial&oldid=462088 Tutorials/Complete Redstone Tutorial]
 * [//www.minecraftwiki.net/index.php?title=Tutorials/Redstone_circuits_for_dummies&oldid=452171 Tutorials/Redstone circuits for dummies]
 * If you decide to take it on, I think a good redstone tutorial for beginners could definitely be a benefit to the wiki. The articles are more of a reference, documenting useful circuits, not so much tutorials (though the line blurs a little sometimes).
 * &mdash;Munin295 &middot; Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Stone_Pickaxe.png &middot; 01:44, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Yep, im working on it. Its named Tutorials/Redstone Mechanics. Mokiki 02:46, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

i moved it to Tutorials/Beginning Redstone Mokiki 01:41, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

OK, i think i'm done, i'm not sure if i have added enough Mokiki 01:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm done :), removed WIP template

Redstone Portal
I'm making my 4 Pics 1 Word but it's too difficult to make. How bout redstone portal? --112.210.235.85 07:06, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Redstoned blocks not flammable to lava
It appears that (Minecraft 1.7.10) putting redstone on top of blocks makes them immune to catch fire from lava. This can be tested by putting a flammable block on either side of a stream of lava, and putting redstone on top of one of them. Note that blocks WILL catch fire from other nearby burning blocks so putting two blocks side by side and redstone on top of one, the redstoned block will catch fire from it's non-redstoned neighbor. Elevenfold
 * No, it doesn't. A flammable block can be set on fire from lava if it has air adjacent it that is near enough to the lava. If your block with redstone on it air on any side, it will catch on fire from the side despite having redstone on top. All that your redstone is doing is making it so there isn't air above. But it's nothing special about redstone, you can get the same effect with torches or basically any other block.
 * The same goes for fire spreading from burning blocks. Anomie x (talk) 12:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hm, okay, I get the same effect from torches. However your explanation of air doesn't seem to hold.  A wood plank on the ground with something non-flammable on top such as redstone, torches, beacons, etc doesn't appear to catch fire from being adjacent to lava no matter how many other sides have air.  Interestingly even a wooden block with lava on top but air on two sides seems to endure.--Elevenfold (talk) 14:01, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The fire article says that fire (and from still lava) only spreads one block down, one block sideways (including diagonally), or up to four blocks upwards, and only to air blocks next to flammable surfaces. Is that consistent with what you are seeing? For example, the lava on top of the wood block doesn't have air beneath it, so won't spread fire downwards (diagonal is only for horizontal movement if the fire article is still correct but things change all the time). &mdash;munin &middot; Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Stone_Pickaxe.png &middot; 18:24, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that's wrong for still lava, actually. From the code for 1.7.10, it looks like each block tick will try one of the following:
 * Check one of the nine blocks above the lava (X±1,Y+1,Z±1) for being air next to something flammable.
 * As above, and then one of the nine above that block if it didn't catch fire and is non-solid.
 * 3 times: pick one of the 8 blocks around the lava block or the lava block itself (X±1,Y,Z±1), and place fire above it if that block is flammable and has air above it.
 * Anomie x (talk) 19:48, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. (it picks one of the bullets randomly?) You want to update the fire and lava articles? &mdash;munin &middot; Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Stone_Pickaxe.png &middot; 19:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Move to redstone dust
Crazy, right? The name of this article has a long history, as the names for redstone and redstone dust have been clarified and debated over the years. Why change the article name? To simplify the article structure.

Lots of blocks have different IDs for their items than their blocks, and that barely gets mentioned in the Block box. The only real difference here is that it's the tooltip names which are also different, which requires the article to contort to accomodate them both as if they're separate things. When really there's no difference between using redstone as an item and redstone dust as a block versus using, say, cobblestone as an item and as a block.

If we rename the article Redstone Dust, then we can just mention the differences in the Block box, and possibly a short terminology mention at the beginning of the article … and then just get on decribing it as we would any other block which has uses in its item form as well (crafting ingredient, brewing ingredient, etc.). We'll be careful to use the correct terms in the correct place, but it would greatly simplify the article structure.

Thoughts? &mdash;munin &middot;  &middot; 03:11, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Really redstone dust is not used in game anymore either, as there is no longer an item form (the inventory icon really does not belong there), it is called redstone, or has an id of redstone/redstone_wire.
 * So I oppose the move, but support combining the infoboxes and simplifying the article structure, then simply calling both redstone. I would assume the only reason there are two infoboxes are because of when they were merged, no one bothered to merge the infoboxes. --KnightMiner  (t 21:47, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


 * You're right. I guess I haven't caught up to 1.8 yet. I guess there's no such thing as blocks having tooltip names (like items do), they only have ID names (e.g., ).


 * Agree on no move, consolidate article under "Redstone", mentioning "redstone_wire" only in the Block box and the Data values section. &mdash;munin &middot; Grid_Book_and_Quill.png Grid_Stone_Pickaxe.png &middot; 22:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)