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Console buttons and controls
I just got done creating Wiibutton and the graphics for it.

Do we know if the controls are different from Xbox 360 to Xbox One, or from PS3 to PS4? If so, we should upload new buttons and document those differences using both the old and new buttons, and update our controls page. If not, maybe we could simply update the Xbutton and Psbutton graphics themselves to reflect the new console buttons?

Also, does anybody know the controller configuration for any of these systems (including the WiiU) independently of what's documented here, or, how to find that out? – Sealbudsman talk/contr 02:21, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I have a "Xbox 360" and i would be happy to help. | AndrewAB (talk) 09:10, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh nice - One thing that would be helpful would be, can you verify that the xbox controls at Control are correct? Then another person could verify whether it's still all correct for the Xbox One. –  Sealbudsman talk/contr 12:08, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Xbox 360 works perfectly. Its actually quite cool and a bit hard to control looking around. | AndrewAB (talk) 15:12, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Very nice, thanks. Hey, how do you look up, in Xbox 360?  I think the controls page doesn't say that. –  Sealbudsman talk/contr 16:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Up and Down analog stick. Why would it not be that? | AndrewAB (talk) 17:03, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * "Up and Down analog stick. Why would it not be that?" Uh oh, I'm just an idiot: I was looking at the rows where it showed L and R analog stick, and thought they were L and R buttons, and was wondering how the description could possibly make sense.  Ignore me please.  And: I was assuming you had an Xbox controller on an Xbox. So you're saying you've been testing that controller on the PC?  That's interesting. –  Sealbudsman talk/contr 18:24, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


 * It sure is | AndrewAB (talk) 19:05, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Official Wiki badge
Does anybody know how Curse assigns the Official Wiki badge that we see in the top-left corner? – Sealbudsman talk/contr 22:20, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It's Curse-controlled I'm pretty sure. If you want, you can probably hide it or modify it in the CSS with the ID "OfficialWiki". -Xbony2 (talk) 23:46, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I was more curious how this wiki got its 'official' status; who requested it, how do those badges get given out, what does 'official' mean, etc. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 00:22, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Say someone cloned this wiki, and called it minecraftwiki, it wouldn't be the official wiki would it? (I think this is right). | AndrewAB (talk) 12:26, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Any wiki that is officially endorsed by the game's developer. –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 08:06, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Script for grid to blockgrid
Hey all, I've just completed a script to convert grid to blockgrid. If you want me to convert any pages, add them to my list on my talk page. There is a few bugs in the script so by tonight I should have fixed them. | AndrewAB (talk) 16:01, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

I've now fixed all bugs in the script and its ready to go. | AndrewAB (talk) 17:17, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Edit Counter
Can someone explain what each section on the edit counter table means? Thanks in advance! | AndrewAB (talk) 13:25, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * They are each for a specific wiki namespace. The final section is for overall amount. — NickTheRed37 (issues’ wall) 14:43, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

But what do they mean? | AndrewAB (talk) 15:36, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * A namespace is a way of organizing things, a way (in this case) to categorize page types. 'Main' refers to 'normal' pages, like Rabbit or Boat.  The other namespaces are part of a page's address, separated by a colon, for instance, User:AndrewAB, User talk:AndrewAB, Minecraft Wiki:Projects, File:BlockCSS.png, Template:BlockSprite, Module:LootChest, Category:Pending_deletion, Help:Official_sources and so on.  Talk pages for each namespace are their own namespace as well.
 * Help pages are about how to use the wiki, Minecraft Wiki pages are more just for-reference pages that refer to the wiki itself, Templates are pages meant to be transcluded into other pages, Modules are scripts written in Lua, Category pages are pages that display what other pages are in a particular category, Files are generally images, Special are usually dynamically-generated pages like Recent Changes or User Contributions, MediaWiki pages are sort of like Templates, I think, but are admin-level, and are things like interface messages or skins. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 16:16, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Your (nearly) always the first one to help! BTW thanks for answering NickTheRed, but it wasn't the answer I was looking for. | AndrewAB (talk) 17:39, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Much obliged. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 18:19, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Wacom test
I tried a Wacom in Minecraft (just for fun) in the case of someone not having a mouse (highly unlikely). It was slightly too sensitive but it was actually quite cool. Controls: Keyboard+Wacom | AndrewAB (talk) 19:09, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

My aim is to test various controllers in Minecraft. Tested: XBox 360 controller, Wacom. | AndrewAB (talk) 19:13, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

BlockGrid door not showing
When a door is added to a blockgrid, it doesn't show up: Large House | AndrewAB (talk) 10:09, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Also, the door has to be wooden (to match structure) | AndrewAB (talk) 10:12, 11 July 2016 (UTC)


 * You can always check out what the name of a blocksprite is, by checking here: Template:BlockSprite. In this case, the name uses the pattern door-oak-bottom and door-oak-top. –  Sealbudsman talk/contr 12:27, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Structure Blueprint Project
Hi all! We need help in the Structure Blueprint Project finding seeds and coords of some structures. If anyone finds a structure, please add it to the list on the Main Page of the Structure Blueprint Project and you can also add yourself to the "Contributors" list at the bottom of the page. Thanks in Advance! | AndrewAB (talk) 10:58, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Uploaded file error


Can some admin delete 4 pictures I've uploaded by accident while testing the MsUpload? Thanks in Advance and sorry for the trouble. | AndrewAB (talk) 14:35, 11 July 2016 (UTC)


 * If you put a delete template on those files, it'll go into Category:Pending_deletion, which admins check periodically. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 15:23, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Structures created in Blender
Who are the users that create structure pictures in Blender? I've done it myself (in Structure Blueprint Project) but I'm interested in finding out who those users are. I found that Majr was answering a question about them here: Structure Images | AndrewAB (talk) 16:15, 11 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The people I pinged there ( Majr, Yetanotherguy, BarracudaATA and BadPiggies2003 ) are all the users who have ever uploaded structure renders, as of that conversation -- I'd checked at that time. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 16:23, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

What I do is find the structure in Minecraft, then export to .obj using Mineways then import into Blender and split all layers then document. | AndrewAB (talk) 16:39, 11 July 2016 (UTC)


 * That's cool, the way I did it on End Ship was to take slices from top-to-bottom, in-game, by ing air. – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 17:08, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Page Patrolling
How can I patrol a page? | AndrewAB (talk 16:13, 16 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Patrolling is limited to administrators as a way for them to check which edits have been reviewed by another administrator. Plus there really isn't a need to do it if you are not an administrator. – KnightMiner  · (t) 16:32, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Redstone machines and Mechanisms
What's the difference between Tutorials/Mechanisms and Mechanisms? Shouldn't they be merged? | AndrewAB (talk 20:54, 16 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Err, Mechanisms is a redirect to Tutorials/Mechanisms, and apparently has been since it was created by a move in 2010. Anomie x (talk) 11:54, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Sure. But shouldn't there only be ONE link on the Tutorials page? | AndrewAB (talk 11:56, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Actually, lets just cut this thread. I get what you mean. | AndrewAB (talk 12:02, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Proposal to restrict bureaucrats’ rights
Right now bureaucrats, a special administrator group, have rights to assign users absolutely all privileged user statuses or resign them. Somebody could think this is great, and this could help in case of an incideny (like accidental assigning by Curse, which has, of course, a low chance of actually being a case), but this allows to do things which appear to be nonsense, like assigning someone Curse status, which is only meant for employees of the same-named organization which keeps this wiki project. Following the principle of least privilege, I suggest to discuss replacing the  bureaucrats’ right, which allows to change user rights, with a more rational set of rights, like it is done on Wikipedia:
 * Add groups: Bots, Bureaucrats, Administrators;
 * Remove groups: Bots, Bureaucrats, Administrators, Wiki guardians.

Yes, the list appears to be quite short, but that’s the most needed groups. I adhered to the following statements when chosing the groups:
 * CheckUsers have rights to see users’ confidential information. This is Curse (as said by Russian administrator AttemptToCallNil) doesn’t want the right to be available widely. Gamepedia wiki projects are not anywhere near the scale of Wikimedia projects, and so Curse employees are enough to check the users. If a local check user ever becomes needed, it could be assigned by Curse employees, like the stewards on Wikimedia wikis, but the user needs to possess juridical responsibility, and, probably, even disclose private data to Curse; I don’t exclude that an age limitation like one used on Wikimedia (no younger than 18 years, unless the legal age in the country the user lives in comes from the later age) won’t be bad. But that’s a different story.
 * The “widget editors” user group is also not of high requirement; [ widgets themselves are not numerous — there are only 3 of them]. Administrators already have the right to edit them, so the user group isn’t needed yet.
 * The “wiki guardian” user group is connected to the Claim Wiki mechanism. When a wiki project doesn’t have any administrators that are active for some time, the “Claim This Wiki” button becomes available. An active non-admin user can press it, where they can describe themselves to Curse. If the user is sought fitting by Curse, he or she gets special “wiki guardian” status. This is similar to administrator status, but, according to hearsays, has slightly less rights (the missing ones are probably not of high importance; we really need to thoroughly compare the statuses). It is not of use for bureaucrats, who can assign normal administrators which effectively don’t differ much. But I suggest that bureaucrats should have ability to turn a wiki guardian into a full administrators. If we’re going to have that feature, bureacrats shouldn’t have ability to assign the right, but should be able to remove it.
 * The status of bureaucrats itself implies a high level of responsibility, since ’crats are responsible for assigning statuses to users; one should have specific qualities to become a bureaucrat. I think they should have rights to assign others of their kind for simplicity’s sake, although I’m not fully sure. But what about resigning the status? This is a more difficult problem. Even Wikimedia projects differ in that ones allow bureaucrats to resign bureaucrat status, others don’t allow. The thing is that resigning such high statuses is specified to the so-called stewards, which can change any rights on any Wikimedia wiki and correspond to the Gamepedia’s Curse usergroup in this sense. I don’t see reasons behind this policy, but probably there is sense to stick to it. This is the most difficult point.
 * The Curse usergroup is only composed of Curse employees. There is no sense to assign normal users there. Resigning that status isn’t possible either; part of the reason is that the status isn’t specific to a wiki, it’s global.
 * There are also Curse_Admin and Cursebot rights. They also should be only left to Curse: the first is some mysterious subgroup of system administrators, the second is the group of Curse employees’ bots.

Someone could here see a pointless waste of time, but someone could see strengthening the wiki’s security. It’s not up to me to decide it, but the problem appears to be interesting. — <b style="font-variant: small-caps; letter-spacing: 1px">NickTheRed37</b> (issues’ wall)</i> 14:36, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Sound not working in 1.8 - 1.9 - 1.10
Here's the error from log (1.10): Missing sound for event: minecraft:ambient.cave | AndrewAB (talk 15:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * We’re not the bug tracker. Please report game issues here. — <b style="font-variant: small-caps; letter-spacing: 1px">NickTheRed37</b> (issues’ wall)</i> 15:28, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Solved it myself. Could not get: https://launchermeta.mojang.com/mc/assets/1.10/d3bfc4ffba1ea334c725dd91eaf4ecd402d641f7/1.10.json | AndrewAB (talk 16:04, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

1 million edits!
About 3 hours ago the Minecraft Wiki reached 1 million edits! The 1,000,000th revision was made by on one of his user pages, which was deleted at his request since he didnt need the page anymore. But anyway its nice to see the wiki reach 1 million edits! --MarioProtIV (talk) 18:34, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Go us! – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 18:43, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

YAY! We are a good team! | AndrewAB (talk 18:58, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Number of edits counted by is . Ehm? -Xbony2 (talk) 21:04, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Your right 758,685 | AndrewAB (talkAndrewAB.png 21:06, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Still !YAY! THIS WIKI IS AMAZING and so are some users. | AndrewAB (talkAndrewAB.png 21:07, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * You guys are silly :P -Xbony2 (talk) 21:36, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I know. Were having a little fun. | AndrewAB (talkAndrewAB.png 21:43, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

How did MarioProtIV get this wrong? All he had to do was check this page: Special:Statistics | AndrewAB (talk 10:56, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Likely he was looking at 'oldids': look through Special:RecentChanges and mouse over the links that say 'diff', and you'll see the links are of the form https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Water/cz&curid=33496&diff=1000301&oldid=1000297 . The 'diff' parameter is the current revision, and the 'oldid' parameter is the id of the revision before it was changed.  It looks like it's an incrementing number – but very often it increments by more than 1, which is why it's already at a million. I'm surprised myself that it works like this, I'm not sure what's going on with that. –  Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 12:12, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Several actions - particularly moving and protecting pages, and uploading files - increase the revision ID counter, but not the page edit counter. Uploading a new file generates two revisions: one for creating the file description page, and another for the file itself. So the number of revisions tends to be significantly higher than the number of page edits, but there's no easy way to find the nth page edit, while it is easy to find an arbitrary revision. -- Orthotopetalk 17:41, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


 * This shows we should always check the facts. ;) | AndrewAB (talkAndrewAB.png 18:06, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Damn now I feel embarrassed >.> anyways when Special:Statistics hits 1 million edits then ill celebrate for sure lol --MarioProtIV (talk) 19:00, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


 * MarioProtIV:"When Special:Statistics hits 1 million edits then ill celebrate for sure". LOL. Me too :) | AndrewAB (talkAndrewAB.png 19:13, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Assets directory
Which website does the launcher download the assets folder from? "If you accidentally edit or remove the file from the original directory, the launcher will automatically re-download it again the next time you launch the game. (You must be connected to the Internet when you launch the game. If not, then the sound directory will not be reset and could potentially lead to errors." | AndrewAB (talk 16:30, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * For assets, maybe http://resources.download.minecraft.net/ ; I got that from the LauncherConstants class, the string URL_RESOURCE_BASE. Beyond that, I believe you'd have to know the particular directory, as the root directory is locked down. –  Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 17:04, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The website isn't even accessible. I want to download the assets folder. My launcher isn't downloading 1.10's assets. | AndrewAB (talkAndrewAB.png 17:21, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I assume it's not meant to be accessible to the public, and given a hashed name, and everything. – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 17:50, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

5000 articles on Russian Minecraft Wiki
Beware, we’re slowly but surely crouching on you: Russian Minecraft Wiki now has 5,000 pages defined as “articles” (the 5,000th page is Квазисоединимость, about quasi-connectivity, written by me), whereas your wiki has 5,081. A difference of mere 81 articles. Only 20 articles were made in the last 10 days on the Russian wiki, however, although rate of article writing in your wiki appears to be even slower. But anyway, even then you have hundreds of translation articles, so the Russian wiki was the biggest since a long time ago, although most articles need reworking.

Please take this just as mere rivalry ;) — <b style="font-variant: small-caps; letter-spacing: 1px">NickTheRed37</b> (issues’ wall)</i> 15:15, 31 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. What is defined as "articles"?  Image files?  Templates?  Modules?  Talk pages of any kind?  Also I know the English wiki has a few hundred pages dedicated to some old mods as well, so depending how you count things (I don't count those) that would make our count less as well, and it depends whether the Russian wiki has those as well.  Where would we go to look at page counts and page listings?  I love a good rivalry : D  –  Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 17:18, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * (I answered my own question.) So, Special:Statistics and Special:AllPages tell us that we are comparing content pages, not files, templates, modules, redirects, etc.  That makes it interesting.  I agree, for the sake of comparing, we might also toss out things like the translation articles and the issues articles from the English count.  Does the Russian wiki have more tutorial articles, mod articles, or subpages like Food/table or Potato/ID?  –  Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 17:45, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * They have a lot of mod documentation. There's some mod documentation here, but this isn't really used as a mod wiki, whereas the RU wiki is. If you considered the FTB Wiki to be the "modded wiki" counterpoint, and if you combined the article counts of this wiki and that wiki, you could say there are a total of 17.8k English articles covering the total modded and not modded worlds (although that still includes translation on both wikis). -Xbony2 (talk) 20:49, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Redirect cleanup thingy
There's a lot of unneccesary redirects clogging up the wiki, which isn't necessarily bad, but the search bar returns a lot of results pointing to essentially the same subject. For example:



I'm mainly doing this job by myself, but decided to advertise it here to get it done quicker. So here's a few guidelines:

Redirects to delete


 * Misspellings (e.g. Emrald, Daimond)
 * Plurals formed simply by adding a suffix (e.g. Sticks, Ink Sacs – but not e.g. Blocks of diamond, Cacti)
 * Capitalization other than what is necessary to conform to the style guide (e.g. Block Of Coal, Cracked Stone bricks – but not e.g. Block of coal, Cracked stone bricks (all lowercase is valid in these cases))
 * Spacing differences (e.g. Abandoned Mine Shaft, Endcity)
 * Unneccesary bracketed terms (e.g. Diamond (Gem), Redstone (Dust))
 * Unneccesarily bracketed terms (e.g. Gold (Ingot), Glowstone (Dust))
 * Combinations of these (e.g. Iron blocks, Cracked Stone (Bricks))
 * Redirects that are not linked to anywhere
 * Redirects that are only linked from user pages, talk pages, pages in other languages, or a combination of these

Redirects to not delete


 * Variations of items using the actual in game names (e.g. Acacia Wood Stairs, Chiseled Stone Bricks)
 * Variations of item names in other English dialects (e.g. Compressed Ice, Leather Trousers)
 * Certain commonly used terms (e.g. Animal, Hostile)
 * Game version names (e.g. 1.3)
 * Enchantment names (e.g. Mending, Bane of Arthropods)
 * Villager professions (e.g. Blacksmith, Fisherman)
 * Mashed up Mushrooms in a bowl

As always, remember to check the WhatLinksHere page and change any links linking to the death row redirect to the actual page. Sometimes this can be a simple as changing something like Animals to Animals. Talk pages can be left as is, user pages can be either fixed or left for the user to clean up, and foreign language translations can be left to the translators (why would they be linking to an English language page anyway?)

- MinecraftPhotos4U (talk) 16:42, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I am on board with all of this, except that I'm not too keen on getting rid of 'capitalization differences', or getting rid of plurals that aren't formed by adding an 's' (e.g. Cacti). Those are in place so the wikilink can be nicer:  rather than    Do you think we can, for now, leave those, and then see where we are after that? –  Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 17:10, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That makes sense, changed. - MinecraftPhotos4U (talk) 17:23, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Block of coal too. What I mean is, I think it would be better to leave it so you can type   in lowercase prose, rather than having to put in a pipe link. –  Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 17:32, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I updated the specs (above) to illustrate what I mean.
 * Are we keeping Mashed up Mushrooms because of how awesome it is? : P – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 21:41, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Exactly. - MinecraftPhotos4U (talk) 22:21, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * There are certainly some redirects that aren't needed, but keep in mind that just because there are no internal wiki links to a redirect doesn't necessarily mean it's unused. For example, the server download page at minecraft.net has a link to Setting up a server; that link would break if we removed the redirect. -- Orthotopetalk 20:49, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Is there a way to check for links like these? - MinecraftPhotos4U (talk) 22:21, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Lets start a project and actually decide what redirects aren't necessary before we go breaking loads of useful links... –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 07:01, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * MCW:Projects/Redirect cleanup. –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 09:41, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * “Mashed up Mushrooms in a bowl” Are you serious? :) — <b style="font-variant: small-caps; letter-spacing: 1px">NickTheRed37</b> (issues’ wall)</i> 16:36, 17 October 2016 (UTC)


 * and it's gone. y u do dis? - MinecraftPhotos4U (talk) 09:11, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Translation projects
It appears like the translation projects have very low activity. Most, if not all translation articles appear to be utterly outdated, some use some very old technologies that were phased out a long time ago. But we have around a thousand of such articles. There are clearly not enough users to keep that up to date. There are already talks about the Czech translation being moved to a separate wiki, but that’s a rare exception since that project is quite developed.

Also, I don’t think basing the new wikis from the English section is good. The main problem is that not everything may be the best in this wiki project — the Russian wiki, for example, contains a few tutorial articles on buying the game, and also an overview on the history of textures. Another problem is that these articles are in the main namespace, which results in the exaggerated article count, with all deriving consequences. It might also be possible that the difference in writing systems may pose problems.

This language section isn’t really needed to make the translations work; Russian and Polish wikis were originally created independently, only later did they join the international project. An initial load of articles may be created elsewhere (perhaps an “incubator” of some sort?), then exported to a newly-created language section.

Here comes the question: do we really need unfinished translations on this wiki? If yes, should we create a separate “incubator” wiki to create new projects? — <b style="font-variant: small-caps; letter-spacing: 1px">NickTheRed37</b> (issues’ wall)</i> 12:02, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what the best solution is for future translations, but certainly I'd like to delete the many inactive translations we have cluttering up the wiki. If there hasn't been any significant progress for over a year, I think it's safe to call the project dead. We can always restore the pages should someone like to pick up the project in the future. –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 04:51, 27 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Agree; and if you're counting 'significant progress for over a year,' be sure to not count any of my edits; I mostly stepped into those pages to fix sprites and things like that.
 * What does restoring deleted pages practically mean? Do you have the capacity to pull deleted pages from the trash? Or do you mean you would move them to some other namespace / other name, then move them back? –  Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 19:41, 28 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Mediawiki doesn't tend to delete things the way files on your computer are deleted; instead, articles (or specific revisions) are essentially hidden from ordinary users. A user with the correct permissions (typically an admin) can still view and un-delete those articles. -- Orthotopetalk 21:23, 28 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Nick, I think you make good points; From time to time I've wondered about the technological innovation, organizational insight, or even simple facts that are present in the other language wikis, that because we're separate communities with language barriers, we are just not aware of -- the articles from the Russian wiki that you mention, about the history of textures, and about buying the game, are great examples of things that by and large, the English speaking editors just have not been aware of.
 * I am not sure that moving projects to a separate namespace within the English wiki is any less messy: it seems to me a single project would really need a full set of namespaces, because it would be those namespaces which would be picked up and set down into the new wiki -- but unless there were some cleaner way of doing it, every single reference to a template or module or file, etc, would have to first set up to work correctly within that framework here on the English wiki, then, rewritten to work correctly in its new location, once it was in its own wiki. I think a bot could probably handle the rewriting, but then I am not sure really what a bot can do, or what all the issues would be.
 * I am not sure an "incubator" wiki wouldn't suffer from the same problems. Have you seen an "incubator" wiki successfully working somewhere on the web?
 * Would it be possible to just give all these projects their own wikis, unfinished and outdated as they may be, and let that be that? Although that feels somehow a low-quality way of doing it...
 * are you familiar with the history of these translation projects -- I'm curious how many separate wikis have actually springboarded from the translation projects, and how many have come about through other means. – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 20:07, 28 August 2016 (UTC)


 * You can see on the projects page the completed projects. I think there might have been some earlier ones which were deleted when they were completed too. –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 00:39, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Based on no actual significant translation activity (from users listed as involved in the project, doesn't include non-translation edits) for a year, I propose we delete (or "archive") the following translation projects:
 * Arabic
 * Bulgarian
 * Catalan
 * Croatian
 * Danish
 * Esperanto
 * Estonian
 * Farsi
 * Finnish
 * Greek
 * Hebrew
 * Icelandic
 * Irish
 * Mohawk
 * Norwegian
 * Romanian
 * Serbian
 * Tagalog
 * Ukrainian
 * Vietnamese
 * Yiddish

The following projects have had some edits in the past year, but nothing more recently, so they seem to be on their way out:
 * Indonesian
 * Lithuanian
 * Slovak
 * Swedish
 * Thai
 * Turkish

I'll ping all the users listed as involved in these projects here so they have an opportunity to return to revive their projects: (hopefully this actually works with this many users...) –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 01:39, 29 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I would actually agree with inviting bilingual people from all over the world, tell them how wikis work, and let them work with the translations. But, once again, a separate wiki would be a better solution. I think a revised Gamepedia Help Wiki (with probable rename, as it would actually become not just a help wiki) would fit, but that needs conference with Curse.
 * Sealbudsman, Wikimedia has one on their Meta wiki. Although I’m not aware how it actually progresses. — <b style="font-variant: small-caps; letter-spacing: 1px">NickTheRed37</b> (issues’ wall)</i> 11:08, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

PE 0.16.0 block, item and entity name ids
It would be great if people could help out with the Minecraft_Wiki:Projects/Pocket_Edition_data_values! – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 18:18, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm a bit late, but I've got a test page which includes Pocket Edition 1.0 Id's as well as all Education Edition Id's which can be found here. I plan on replacing the official page with that version once 1.0 is released. Jocopa3 (talk) 14:45, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

My Acount is not working it switched to demo please help me!
So i went on minecraft yesterday and it was working fine but when i logged on today i knew something was up when it had me put in my email and password again then when i logged in it said i could only play demo version if you can help please do! –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.193.242.177 (talk). Please sign your posts with
 * This is not a place for support. Go here instead. -Xbony2 (talk) 01:00, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The bug tracker is a wrong place either; it discusses bugs in Minecraft itself. You should go here instead; it shows information about common issues, plus there is a contact link in the bottom. — <b style="font-variant: small-caps; letter-spacing: 1px">NickTheRed37</b> (issues’ wall)</i> 07:15, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Wiki info videos
I've noticed that most of the videos for various things are outdated, is there any chance help is needed making new ones or is there a reason they aren't being updated as much? Hanabanashii (talk) 10:11, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * From what I've heard, the original video makers have actually quit. - MinecraftPhotos4U (talk) 12:19, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If someone put in the time to make new videos would they be updated? I don't know the Wiki's standards of videos... Text I understand at least. Hanabanashii (talk) 12:43, 6 September 2016 (UTC)


 * If it was up to me, I'd get rid of the videos entirely. They're useless. –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 13:13, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine with that, they really are just there, I'll bet not even a good percentage of Wiki-goers even watch them. Hanabanashii (talk) 16:45, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

What happened to image schematics?
When I used this wiki years ago I remember there being lists of schematics for things like redstone clocks, farms, mob farms, etc. They all had simple, convenient images separated into layers. Now I can't find those anywhere. In fact, for most things I can only find pages like Tutorials/Mob farm which do little other than link to random YouTube videos. That's just useless; if I wanted to browse random YouTube videos on how to do things, I would go to YouTube. There are still a few schematics in some pages, but they're few and far between and seem to almost all use different formats. It's like the quality of the wiki has dropped to 10% of its old self. Q007 (talk) 22:38, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


 * We use plenty of schematics on the redstone related pages, e.g: Logic circuit (although this uses an outdated format of keeping the schematics in separately loaded galleries, due to performance issues with the original schematic template). The tutorials section is the last place to look for quality, it's mostly trash. Just pretend the Tutorials/* pages don't exist. –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 03:50, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Remove extra pace from ads
Is there a way I can edit my css to make the content fill the full width of the screen and also to get rid of the space above the content where the advert would have been? See http://imgur.com/a/MxcZS. –<b style=color:#282>Goandgoo</b> ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 04:03, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Of course, you can do anything in CSS. I doubt Curse would like me to tell you how to hide ads though. The official way is to edit Gamepedia wikis frequently enough that you get Gamepedia PRO (which removes the ads, and gives HTTPS) for free, or just buy it. :) –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 04:14, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah no worries, what's the frequency required to get the Gamepedia PRO for free? –<b style=color:#282>Goandgoo</b> ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 04:27, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * 500 gamepedia points per month. –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 23:49, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Just a question
Are we allowed to make bots here? Banana439monkey (talk) 07:33, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, but this wiki isn't a good place to test a bot. If you have a particular bot task you want to be done, then it's probably better to request it than to make a bot for one occasion. If you want to play with/test a bot, https://test.wikipedia.org or https://meeseeks.gamepedia.com/Meeseeks_Wiki are probably better places. -Xbony2 (talk) 11:26, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't mean testing one. I mean getting it to do tasks Banana439monkey (talk) 18:17, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Like, what do you want to do? You won't get "botted" if you're just "going to do tasks" :P -Xbony2 (talk) 19:34, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I want to make it tell other people if they haven't signed their posts, over-edited a page and made any uncategorised pages or files. Banana439monkey (talk) 19:43, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Do I start creating the bot? Banana439monkey (talk) 08:56, 29 October 2016 (UTC)


 * There's no need for a bot for unsigned posts as users are already warned about that when trying to save, and their edits tagged if they ignore it. As for the other things: how does the bot decide that a page is "over-edited" (are you talking about too many consecutive edits, too much changed in a single edit, overlinking, or something else)? It's quite valid for a page not to be directly categorised, as it is done by a template (especially files). –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 09:09, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Random page for desktop


Even though you can get sent to translation pages, it is not that common, and there is a link to the base page as shown in the picture. We should add the random page link. The BlobsPaper.png 15:43, 26 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Perhaps try looking in the sidebar... –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 00:25, 27 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you The BlobsPaper.png 04:18, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Changing weather with Xbox 1S Minecraft Bundle
I recently bought the XBox 1s Minecraft bundle, and is there an option to change the weather? Because my friend has the regular xbox 1, and can change the weather in host options. But I don't have that option. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.187.172.3 (talk) at 09:59, October 27, 2016‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with

Curse Video Style Guide Proposal
We've been reviewing the current policy regarding Curse videos on the wiki and looking at plans for the future. Based on that, we've developed a change to the Style Guide that would allow for the removal of old and out-dated videos, allow for the addition of relevant newer videos in better placements, and create a system for community members to bring out of date videos to our attention to be reviewed. Our hope is that this will ensure only useful and relevant Curse video content is remaining on wiki pages. The full proposal/discussion can be found over at Minecraft_Wiki_talk:Style_guide. CrsBenjamin - (talk) 15:59, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

History section banners
I personally think that a more grouped/organised history section should be out in place. I don't really know how to put this in words, but we should we should have a slightly larger banner saying something along the lines of PC/Mac Edition, followed by Classic, Alpha, Beta, etc. Same goes for the pocket edition, which could say Pocket/Windows 10 Edition. Saying this mainly because pocket edition is going into alpha and I feel that all of these banner things having the exact same size looks slightly confusing at least to me. - MinecraftPhotos4U (talk) 09:16, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if this is a good idea. It works better to show the version right with the release (like Pocket Edition Alpha). The BlobsPaper.png 14:15, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I think it would be a good idea to have larger edition banners as some history tables are becoming quite long. I remember there being some tests to provide coloured headers as well for the different editions, I think this might've been 's doing? –<b style=color:#282>Goandgoo</b> ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 06:48, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * It wasn't, but it's an idea I agree with. –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 08:26, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I've got some mockups at my sandbox. Test 1 shows the Pocket Edition category only having one sub-header (is this a problem?) Test 2 has larger text for the edition compared to Test 3, I'm personally inclined with Test 2. –<b style=color:#282>Goandgoo</b> ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 11:35, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Merge salmon with fish
I think Raw Salmon should be merged with Raw Fish, and Cooked Salmon should be merged with Cooked Fish. They share the following things in common: Note that I would not support merging clownfish and pufferfish, as they do not meet these conditions. What do other users think? The BlobsPaper.png 01:24, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * They can be caught in the fish category when fishing
 * They can be obtained as rare drops from guardians and elder guardians
 * They are dropped by polar bears
 * They can be cooked in a furnace
 * They can be used to tame and breed ocelots


 * Makes sense, support. - MinecraftPhotos4U (talk) 08:42, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree that salmon is basically an alternate skin for the generic "fish", but I think merging one type of fish but not the others would just be confusing. I think it's an all or nothing choice. –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 09:38, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I suppose we could merge clownfish and pufferfish. Even fish and slamon have a few things that are not in common (trading with a fisherman to cook fish does not apply to salmon). We have some differences between the different types of slabs as well. The BlobsPaper.png 16:54, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I'd support merging them all, over merging just those two. I agree with Majr's all-or-nothing approach: there are examples on the wiki where appearing to combine things but keeping one thing separate can confuse editors (beetroots vs beetroot seeds/crops, I see it most often).
 * We have all the flowers on one page, and it seems to work just fine.
 * Can someone put together an example page for us to see? – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 02:52, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The German page is completely merged already: de:Fisch. | violine1101(Talk) 18:29, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * (I really like the winter skin!) In my opinion that page is pretty good and I'd be fine with following that example. – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 19:00, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I have created User:Blobs2/Anvil/Fish. Please check it for anything that should be changed. The BlobsPaper.png 03:26, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Is there anything that should be changed? The BlobsPaper.png 15:27, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It generally looks great but, you wouldn't consider merging them all, as in those other language wikis? – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 00:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There has been an earlier discussion on merging raw food with cooked food, and it didn't pass. However, I could try merging both of them, and other users can see how it would work. The BlobsPaper.png 03:10, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I have added the merge to my project. It worked out fairly well; it was not to hard to start by copy and pasting the raw fish section. Note that the page is missing some things from the food section, and possibly from the history section.
 * Also, if we are to merge raw and cooked fish, we should do the same for other raw and cooked food. The BlobsPaper.png 04:15, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It's missing the Trading section, and probably some History as you say, but otherwise it looks good to me. I wouldn't stand in the way of your initial proposal, to merge it to a Cooked page and an Uncooked page, however. I realize this one-page-merge thing is a bit of a side-track, and has its own issues. – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 16:24, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I added them in. Please check the page again. Before merging, we should confirm whether we should merge raw and cooked food. The BlobsPaper.png 02:56, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Raw and cooked food
Please post any comments here. The BlobsPaper.png 04:15, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

The closed discussion about raw / cooked food Minecraft_Wiki_talk:Community_portal/Archive_16, for reference
 * Personally I'm not opposed to it; I generally fall into NickTheRed37's camp of feeling that it's "basically just a different state of food". Similarly to how I voted to merge wet and dry sponge, during that discussion.  Although, I think the consensus there was built not from my more broad principle, but built mostly from KnightMiner's more narrow/specific interpretation of sponge's two-state nature, so I'm not sure that could be applied here ... –  Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 16:24, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I used merge on cooked fish, and the template should perhaps go on other cooked food pages. have bots, so they can make sure that no pages are missed. The BlobsPaper.png 03:34, 13 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The issue is the line between same topic and different is very vaguely defined right now, there was a time when articles were getting merging and splitting discussions every other week, which really does not benefit the end user as the content is constantly moving around. Before that starts up again, I would encourage adding something to the style guide describing exactly what makes article eligible for merging and splitting rather than having basically the same conversation again and again.
 * As for the specific case, I am mostly neutral. One one hand, their primary usage is basically tied in each other and the obtaining would benefit from saying the dropped meat is cooked, but on the other hand as far as behavior the only thing really similar is being food, which just about every food shares. I guess it comes down to how much duplicated information is there between the two articles compared to the different information.
 * Blobs2@undefined I recently switched computers and never got around to setting up my bot on my new computer, so for now KnightBot is not really running. I might bother to set that back up if I have some free time, but my activity on the wiki recently has been very limited. – KnightMiner  · (t) 22:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It works fine in User:Blobs2/Anvil/Fish. The BlobsPaper.png 23:04, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Add-ons page
I was thinking it would be a good idea to set up a page at Add-ons or Add-on (I think Add-on to keep with the singular form of other pages such as resource pack), with links to the minecraft.net add-on page (https://minecraft.net/en/addons/), info about the add-ons and upcoming plug-ins as well as migrating the historical information into a History section from Mentioned features/Plugin API (as it ultimately appears these add-ons/plugins will be the future of the Plugin API). In addition, this would provide a better link to the recent add-on tutorial from as well as the Pocket Edition entity components page. –<b style=color:#282>Goandgoo</b> ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 06:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I like this idea, though we'll eventually be introducing plug-ins as well (add-ons are one part of plug-ins). So maybe a larger catch-all page? I defer to your wisdom. :) --HelenAngel (talk) 00:59, 29 November 2016 (UTC)


 * True regarding future plugins, perhaps there could be a separate page or the page could be renamed should it become an issue. –<b style=color:#282>Goandgoo</b> ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 09:23, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

ElytraPronunciation.ogg
Can anyone make a File:ElytraPronunciation.ogg that contains the pronunciation, for use on the Elytra page, similarly to how File:HerobrinePronunciation.ogg is used on the Herobrine page? I notice that the Herobrine file is a text-to-speech and is GNU licensed, but I'm not sure what GNU licensed text-to-speech software is out there. – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 23:46, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


 * . [[File:ElytraPronunciation.ogg]] created with GNU 3.0 Licensed eSpeak (found here). The author of HerobrinePronunciation.ogg may have used another GNU Licensed program to create that file, but I did my best to use the same format and speaking rate. As always, someone could always update the file with a newer and more accurate version, but I think this will do for now. Maethoredhel (talk) 00:08, 7 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Very nice, thanks! :thumbs-up: – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 04:25, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I put the image in the Elytra page. I intended to put it in the infobox, but this did not seem to work. If you can, please do. The BlobsPaper.png 04:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC)


 * (Just to follow up, on this thread) – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 16:04, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Winter style
First, on the German and then Russian wiki has a new gadget. This gadget will include winter style some design items. For the English wiki better suitable option from the Russian wiki. I suggest export it hither. ru:Special:Gadgets (in end page). — Ivan-r ru.Wiki Admin 17:27, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * – DelboyDylan (talk 17:54, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The Russian Wiki looks amazing with the winter theme. Add me to the list! Maethoredhel (talk) 19:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * too! – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 19:15, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Then you have to wait when administrators export/import gadget and will correct the description (translated by Yandex.Translate) — Ivan-r ru.Wiki Admin 20:09, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * . –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 10:34, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! — Ivan-r ru.Wiki Admin 19:48, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Pocket Edition tipped arrows
According to the version page and build 1, tipped arrows will be craftable like in the PC version, but still obtainable through cauldrons. However, according to the history sections in cauldron and tipped arrows pages, the old method will be removed. Which is correct? The BlobsPaper.png 19:33, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Tipped arrows are still craftable by means of a cauldron. Tested in Build 3 (1.0.0.0). --SamGamgee55 (talk) 00:59, 7 December 2016 (UTC)SamGamgee55

Pocket Edition version names
The boss and ender update page names indicate that it is Pocket Edition. Is this really necessary? Would there be any confusion about which version it is? The BlobsPaper.png 02:32, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Unable to create an account because of IP issues
I went to register and was told that I was unable to create an account because my IP address has had three accounts created in the last day which is the maximum allowed. Awesome! I haven't registered at all, yet I can't register. So I looked up the IP address and found that it lists it as Comcast.net. Hmmmm.... So if I have Comcast out of Flint, Michigan, then I cannot create an account unless I'm one of the three people creating it before 11am? I guess you don't want my feedback. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.68.59.109 (talk) at 11:45, December 14, 2016 (UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * Unfortunately we get bogus account creation pretty frequently on this wiki, so your situation (three bogus signups plus one real attempted signup in one day) was probably bound to happen. Try again soon!  Hopefully there'll be a 24-hour period soon where the filters allow you.  Or alternately, try creating an account from a different location (library, friend's house, mobile device over the cell network, etc.).
 * "I guess you don't want my feedback"
 * It's nothing personal, please be assured. It's a necessary filter, but imperfect. –  Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 17:50, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Version ID in items
Just a suggestion... I was looking something up and it mentioned a SHIELD. So I clicked on shield and was redirected to the page. AWESOME! However, it didn't state a specific version, so I assumed that my Windows 10 edition could make it. I tried and could not make a shield. So I am wondering how much work it would be to add a version ID stating that this item can be used in these versions. Most of the topics have something similar so I didn't quite understand why I couldn't create a Shield until I researched it. Thanks....! –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.68.59.109 (talk) at 11:49, December 14, 2016 (UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * That is a good idea, actually. Probably something that would go in the infobox at the top.  Right now the information is technically there, but you have to infer it from the History section at the bottom. I'll submit a request for comment on this topic, maybe we'll hear some other ideas on how to present this information. –  Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 17:50, 14 December 2016 (UTC)