Talk:Achievement

Separate section for console
Could we please keep the separate section for console-only achievements? Also, editing restriction? What's going on? —Fenhl 00:28, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * MCW:admin noticeboard/Archive 24 and User talk:Wolffillms. – LauraFi -  talk  00:43, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I see. Any opinions on the content? I feel like having the subsection makes the article more readable. —Fenhl 01:05, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * . – LauraFi -  talk  01:16, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Pinging, since he is the main advocate against it.
 * It does seem a bit neater having it separated, but I feel like it has the purpose of separating out non-PC content rather than exclusive content, as most of the achievements also are on the Windows 10 edition. So sorting it does make the PC edition easier to navigate, but I feel it could make the rest harder, especially since the sorting feature of all achievements is lost. – KnightMiner  t/c 02:17, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * per the latter half of Knight's comment. My original revert occurred on November 29th of last year, almost six hours before the interaction ban went into effect against both myself and Wolf. Wolf then abruptly reverted my edit just over a month later, which in turn, technically violated the editing restriction against him. I questioned about that particular revert, but as of now, have gotten no response from him. Being bold, I decided to revert Wolf's edit in risk of a block, as again, Wolf's revert technically violated his editing restriction. -BDJP (t 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * There is already a column for what version the achievement applies to, and it would be easy enough to [minecraft.gamepedia.com/Template:Load_achievements?action=edit edit the template so that it you can split the table].? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Blobs2 (talk • contribs) at 3:40, 12 January 2016 (UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * It would make much more sense to not have a "version restriction" column when almost all achievements are in all of the major editions, and instead have a seperate section for the Console/Windows 10 exclusive achievements for easier reading and better marking exclusiveness. Wolffillms (talk) 23:38, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I for a seperate section marking Console/Windows 10 Edition exclusive achievements, as per Minecraft Wiki:Projects/Highlighting Edition-Specific Information all Editon exclusive information should be highlighted as being exclusive for easier reading of pages. Wolffillms (talk) 23:38, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Your idea would basically make the version availability on mobs go caput. -BDJP (t 01:49, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Are you making an analogy? What is the connection from this page to the mob page? – Sealbudsman talk/contr 04:33, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Alternate idea: rather than use the current 'version restriction' column, use four yes/no columns: a PC column, an XBox column, a PS column, and a Win10 column.  Then within the same table you could sort those columns to find all the desired edition-specific achievements? – Sealbudsman talk/contr 15:42, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * with Sealbud's idea. -BDJP (t 18:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Something like this? I would to that, though it does become a bit bulky. it might be worth dropping a few of the other columns from the overall template to make a bit more room (not sure which though, it is all rather useful information) – KnightMiner  t/c 22:13, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I like that mockup. I made some syntax corrections to it (apologies for stepping into your sandbox, I felt like it was okay since it was a piece of code under discussion ..?), but there remains an issue with xbox points not showing in the second cell of split rows.
 * I don't think this table is that clunky, at least no more than the original. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 15:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I just noticed there's a problem with sorting that maybe we ought to try to overcome. Try this: sort by Win 10 column, look at 'Adventuring Time' within the Win 10 'yes' block.  It shows a red 'no' by the PC.  That's technically exactly the cell you should expect, of course.  But what if a user, through misinterpreting that 'no', interprets it to mean that 'Adventuring Time' isn't available on the PC?  The other 'Adventuring Time' isn't readily available to compare.  Maybe sorting inherently leads to this problem, or maybe this can be overcome?  Perhaps instead of showing 'no', show ... some other red-colored word that clearly communicates what is going on.
 * Secondly and more minor, I noticed that after sorting columns (clicking headers), it gets rid of those nice rowspanned cells. That's just an artifact of the sortable table not having a way to return to its original sort order, right?  Is this something we could overcome or is it too much bother? – Sealbudsman talk/contr 16:31, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * It's fine that you edited my sandbox, that is what it's here for (hence the line at the top of my sandbox)
 * The rowspan stuff is a side effect of the sorting, yes. In order to separately sort the two different possible values, it just splits them into two separate rows. I don't believe there is any easy way to overcome it, because keeping them together disables sorting between the two values
 * As for the "split in two" ones, I am not really sure what word to use there instead of "No" as there is not a lot of space for a full reason, though I did try a title just now on my sandbox like so: No? I applied that to the table. – KnightMiner  t/c 17:13, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh I see the note now. The rowspan stuff, I'm sure it'll be fine then.
 * I think the title is a good direction. By the time a person is looking closely at a line to see which editions don't 'Adventuring Time', they'll probably notice the note.  In case the dotted underline is too subtle, maybe the cell should be reddish-orange?  Is that too visually busy?
 * Also I notice that 'Monster Hunter' and 'Leader of the Pack' at least don't have different requirements, they're split only because of XBox points. How about, more generically, something like 'Available but in a slightly different form'? – Sealbudsman talk/contr 17:52, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * A reddish orange could work, though there are not a lot of distinctive colors left between red and yellow, so maybe I can leave the note the same color and switch the normal "no"'s color to something like "never" from tc? I don't think it will be busy as much as very common though, but it could work. If we are changing the color though, I really should try and come up with a better word, to make it more clearly distinctive.
 * I'll try tweaking the note a bit when I adjust the colors, but I would like to get a few more comments on the design (and hopefully a better word for the "Yes, but different" than "No"). – KnightMiner  t/c 23:44, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Tweaked the note a bit and switched the Win10 header to Pocket (I really don't feel it is needed to spam "in win10, upcoming pocket" everywhere, but if someone else thinks it is needed, I can do that). I also switched the color to an orange now, so opinions on the busyness? (note there also is a blue color not used which is for upcoming achievements, replacing the old upcoming parameter. Just set any version parameter to "upcoming" on the edit preview to compare it in the busyness) – KnightMiner  t/c 01:54, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * My thought is, even though it's kind of a nonstandard mcwiki table color, once you know what orange means, it works. So I lightened it to try to match the paleness of the red and green; it seemed a little vibrant before.  It kinda still does; I may even try #FDE0B2.
 * I want to try the word "Alt" and change the language to say "Available in an alternate form."
 * One question: is it possible, when you sort the column, to have the orange cells always group between the yellow and the red cells? – Sealbudsman talk/contr 15:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * with this idea. – LauraFi -  talk  14:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

PS3 achievements coming from expansion packs
So, per the question raised at Talk:Ocelot, and considering this source detailing the PS3 achievements and which ones can be gotten with which expansion packs, is there a good way to notate this in our achievement tables? Is it as simple as changing a few 'PS4' cells to 'Yes', or because this is DLC, is there more to consider? I'm not familiar with how the console and DLC work. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 17:38, 15 March 2016 (UTC)


 * It is strange that it states them as expansion packs that are free, considering that is exactly how updates work, but since it is kept separate it might be best to write it as "PS4/PS3 DLC1" or something similar, then have a section below describing it. – KnightMiner  t/c 22:48, 16 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Feel free to put the note in if you want to; I may not get to it for some time. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 21:45, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

List of Wii U achievements
So, after a day, my Wii U finally updated my copy of the Wii U Edition, and here's a list of all 56 achievements that are currently available on it (posting it here so someone who's good at templates can update it as such because I am TERRIBLE at templates):

Taking Inventory, Getting Wood, Benchmarking, Time to Mine!, Hot Topic, Acquire Hardware, Time to Farm!, Bake Bread, The Lie, Getting an Upgrade, Delicious Fish, On A Rail, Time to Strike!, Monster Hunter, Cow Tipper, When Pigs Fly, Leader of the Pack, MOAR Tools, Dispense With This, Into The Nether, Pork Chop, Passing the Time, Archer, Sniper Duel, DIAMONDS!, Return to Sender, Into Fire, Local Brewery, The End?, The End., Enchanter, Overkill, Librarian, Adventuring Time, Repopulation, Diamonds to you!, The Haggler, Pot Planter, It's a Sign!, Iron Belly, Have a Shearful Day, Rainbow Collection, Stayin' Frosty, Chestful of Cobblestone, Renewable Energy, Music to my Ears, Body Guard, Iron Man, Zombie Doctor, Lion Tamer, The Beginning?, The Beginning., Beaconator, Overpowered, Tie Dye Outfit, and Trampoline.

passes out due to exhaustion from typing too much

-BDJP (t 20:26, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


 * smelling salts
 * So are there any special particular values to each of the Wii achievements, equivalent to like the trophy level on the playstation, or xbox points? – Sealbudsman talk/contr 20:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No, there aren't, as far as I'm aware of. -BDJP (t 21:03, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I took a look at the template; and I think I might leave it to to take a swing at. Can't set aside the time for an operation like this I don't think. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 20:53, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I've added the column and did my best to convert that list into the table. BDJP007301@undefined Can you double check that I added the achievments to the table correctly? Your list is long and sorted a bit differently than the article list, so I may have missed something. – KnightMiner  t/c 04:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It's all good, except for the following that you missed, which I've fixed:


 * Leader of the Pack, MOAR Tools, Dispense With This, Pork Chop, Passing the Time, and Archer.


 * -BDJP (t 10:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

6 more achievements added for mini game battle pvp total 62
On console edition, 6 achievements added for battle pvp mini game total 62 achievements, so please update list of achivements to inclue 6 more achievements. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.80.241.215 (talk) at 16:32, 29 August 2016 (UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * Thanks for the information. It appears that these are only available on the Xbox 360 Edition so far. I'll add them when I can (and hopefully, either me or another experienced editor can add the icons for them). -BDJP (t 17:19, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Map room achievement unobtainable on xbox 360 and playstation 3
Cannot earn 1 achievement is map room, due cannot craft with 1 map and 8 papers. Or i must use Shears to get this achievement ?

List goes off screen
On 4:3 monitors, the advancement list goes off screen. Is there a way to fix this? — Nixinova (talk • edits • pages) 05:02, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you mean, the achievement list? – Sealbudsman talk/contr 11:51, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, whatever, this achievement/advancement stuff is getting very confusing :/ — Nixinova (talk • edits • pages) 19:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The table doesn't seem to want to shrink down past about 1240px wide. Column widths are shrunk down to the width of the "largest word", then they don't get smaller, and there are so many columns, it all adds up.  On the up-side, once 1.12 gets released, 3 columns go away, and minumum-width comes down to about 800px.  That might be nice.  –  Sealbudsman talk/contr 20:08, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


 * It should also be noted that you can simply scroll to see the rest of the table. Not ideal, but it's not inaccessible. –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 10:49, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

1.12
, we don't like the history section mentioning the pc achievements that turned into advancements? – Sealbudsman talk/contr 14:21, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's something that belongs in the history section, but that could be just me. If you really think it belongs there you can put it back and I won't touch it anymore. --Pepijn (talk) 14:23, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm, I don't know where it would better belong... It seemed like at least the equivalent one were worth pointing out, what do you think – Sealbudsman talk/contr 14:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I added them to Advancements, which I think is a good place for them. --Pepijn (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I see; not a bad place either I think. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 22:09, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

List of Achievements Table, previous versions
I was just trying to determine which achievements were not added as advancements into 1.12, but that is not listed as trivia on the advancements page, and it is not accessible from the achievements page. What's worse is that viewing a previous version of the achievements page shows the current version of the list of achievements table, not the version that was available at the time. For example, there is no reason for the PC achievements to be missing back in March, when advancements were being hinted at and only recently put into snapshots. NickNackGus (talk) 01:59, 12 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Replied at Talk:Advancements. This illustrates a flaw with MediaWiki: if you view an old version of a page, it still uses the latest version of any templates on that page. Since the table is made with a template, it no longer shows PC edition information on any old version. -- Orthotopetalk 02:36, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

The redirects to achievements that are also advancements
For instance Adventuring Time ..Perhaps convert them all to disambiguations? – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 13:08, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * . --Pepijn (talk) 13:09, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, I didn't even think about that. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 14:19, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Also to do that, advancements would have to set an anchor for each of its entries, like achievements does. I won't have time these coming weeks or months -- someone else feel free! – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 16:29, 16 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Added anchors to the advancements template. An example: Advancements. --Pepijn (talk) 18:42, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Console mechanics
For WiiU and Switch, there is no 'global' achievement system, is that correct? On those systems, are they earned per-world like Java advancements, or per-account, or per-edition like Xbox Live and PSN? And if so, what is that account known as? Can those achievements be reset in any way? Are those achievemets broadcast to chat? For Playstation, same questions: are they earned per-world or per-account or per-edition? Are those achievements broadcast to chat?
 * Nintendo Console Editions
 * PSN Console Editions

– Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 06:35, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Nintendo editions
Any reason the Nintendo editions are separate in the table? I originally designed the editions switch to support keeping same system together, like is done with PlayStation and Xbox, so it would really make sense to have The two nintendo editions combined as Nintendo and use the partial feature to denote "Switch only" or "Wii U only". – KnightMiner  t/c 23:00, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * . -BDJP (t 23:22, 27 June 2017 (UTC)