User talk:SuperGeniusZeb

Thanks and...
I just wanted to say that was a nice job you did on Pocket Edition. (I did a minor fix, where you said in the about template that it was for mobile versions—not all the platforms were mobile.) As busy as MoJira is, I'm surprised you can find the time to help us out, and I appreciate it.

I also wanted to mention that after our discussion on the talk page the other day Helen Angel stopped in to say Microsoft isn't very thrilled with that name, either. You might want to review her comment and also participate in the discussion it has revived on Minecraft Wiki Talk:Projects/Renaming. Helen's comment is in the middle (misplaced and easily overlooked); newer comments are at the end. --– Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 23:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Correction: Helen commented on the talk page here about "Legacy Console Edition" and on the project talk page about "Bedrock Edition". --– Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 23:34, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'm glad to help make the Bedrock/Pocket/etc. pages less confusing. I was actually the reason for Helen posting that there. I wanted some official source so I could start making some of the changes I wanted to make (like changing the Pocket Edition page to be more focused on Pocket Edition and moving Apple TV from an "upcoming" Bedrock platform to a current one, since Bedrock is a retroactively-applied name like Legacy Console... and also adding 4J Studios to the Bedrock dev team list), and so I asked Helen to post something on the wiki confirming those things. :P Now, if only Apple TV could be listed under Bedrock on the homepage... I'll post something on the main page's talk page asking for that to be changed.


 * Actually, the main page is a special case. To make changes to it, you make them to Minecraft Wiki/editcopy, which a bureaucrat will then review before merging them to the public main page.
 * Let me just caution you on how you promote your agenda. On a project this size where so many changes have to be coordinated it really requires team cooperation and consensus. Here you've made it sound like you're trying to do a flank run and crush us between you and Helen. I don't think you want to create that impression. If the wiki editors get the idea you're pulling tactical tricks and trying to strong-arm us, they'll shut you down in a second. You can make good arguments on your own, so use them. Well-reasoned arguments will go much farther than pressure from Microsoft. It's Curse's wiki, after all, not Microsoft's (although admittedly, Mojang's/Microsoft's generosity with IP assets is extremely valuable to us). Just my opinion.--– Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 01:24, 4 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the cautioning...


 * First, I just want to clarify the MoJIRA moderation stuff is volunteer-only... I don't get paid to do it, and I don't work for Mojang/Microsoft or anything like that. I don't mean to act as a Microsoft spokesperson or anything like that, nor do I have the incentive to do such a thing.


 * Second, and most importantly, I can assure you that I don't want to force any sort of personal agenda on anyone on the wiki, nor appear to be doing so. I just wanted to fix some info I thought was incorrect and thought it would be convenient to get an official reference... I didn't intend for any sort of forced "Minecraft: Bedrock Edition" -> "Minecraft (Bedrock)" change or anything like that... personally, I don't even care either way regarding that issue. I'm really sorry if I gave the wrong impression, and I'll try not to make that mistake again in the future. Again, thank you for the warning. I had no idea that my actions could be seen that way, and I really don't want to cause any trouble here on the wiki. I really appreciate the job that all you folks do, and wouldn't want to do anything wrong to you. SuperGeniusZeb (talk) 01:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Changes to Pocket Edition
I just reviewed your latest changes to Pocket Edition and noticed that Windows 10 Mobile is listed in the infobox. Did that implementation actually use the "Pocket Edition" subtitle? I never knew that, and would have guessed otherwise. Also, there is a subsection under Controls called Windows 10 Edition. Do you think it would make more organizational sense for that to be on Windows 10 Edition instead? Or is it relevant to the mobile users somehow? --– Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 04:58, 4 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, despite it being completely technically possible, Windows 10 Edition (or "Minecraft" for Windows 10 as it is called now) never ran on Windows 10 Mobile, and the release for Windows 10 Mobile was separate and was called "Minecraft: Pocket Edition"... at least on the Windows Store page. I never had a Windows 10 Mobile phone, so I can't confirm it was used in-game on the title screen, but it was used on the Store page. Actually, the link to the Store page still has Pocket Edition in it: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/minecraft-pocket-edition/9wzdncrdzsbb (Now it's called Minecraft for Windows 10 Mobile in the Windows Store.)


 * I've heard that the separate purchase thing was to make the pricing equal across all mobile versions... Minecraft for Windows 10 Mobile costs the same as Minecraft on Android, iOS, etc., whereas Minecraft for Windows 10 costs the same as Java Edition. I don't really like it, but I can see why they did it.


 * Since the Pocket Edition page should focus on what was in Pocket Edition in particular, I think that the Controls section should only mention the controls supported by Pocket Edition, and perhaps go more in-depth with the controls/UI that only Pocket Edition had. A lot of the info there seems redundant when Controls exists, and the "Windows 10 Edition" section definitely doesn't belong there. the "Tablet features" section doesn't really make sense either, since split controls are available on any mobile device. I think the info should be reorganized there. Pocket Edition does support keyboards, though mouse support is either poor or not even there, except possibly on Windows 10 Mobile... but I'd have to ask someone about that. In general, I think an edition page's controls section should link to the main controls page, and list the type of control inputs it supports, and any platform-specific controls or UI. (The Gear VR page would give info on how the VR controls work, mention whether or not it supports keyboard input, and that sort of thing, and the Windows 10 Edition page would probably list the most amount of different controls and be the largest controls section, since it supported touch, keyboard, mouse, gamepad, AND VR via the Oculus Rift.) What do you think? SuperGeniusZeb (talk) 15:14, 4 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I've never even seen anything but Windows 10 Edition in real life, so I'm sure you understand the relationships between this information and the platforms better than I do. As long as you've considered how it looks to a variety of readers with different viewpoints, I'd say go ahead and make the changes. There may be established consensus you're not aware of, but the worst that will happen is somebody will revert a change and tell you about it. That's the approach I use, when only a page or two is involved. You really only need to seek discussion and consensus for changes that would have a more widespread affect on what the readers see, or would change the maintenance categories.--– Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 20:45, 4 October 2017 (UTC)