Talk:Melon

Question
Where does it mention melon? EDIT: Wait, wrong page. Drenay 21:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Why is Melon on the items page? If it grows, then it should be a block. Pumpkins are blocks, right?Ajc 1254 12:36, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I was actually thinking the exact same thing. I'll move it.   Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 13:08, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Jeb recently said on twitter melons will never come... http://twitter.com/#!/jeb_/status/93343876026343424 C ali nou - talk × contribs » 13:22, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

He said we aren't going to see a screen shot, not their not going to make melons. Honestly can anyone understand context on this site?Discount Flunky 13:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

How stupid are you people? Seriously, context people!Ajc 1254 00:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Why do I get the feeling that Jeb took that as a pun? "Can we see the melons?" meaning breasts... And thus Jeb saying "NO!" I may be too perverted, but that might explain it too... :P | TheKax |   Talk   09:54, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh wow. Just wow. I told my most pervy friends about that and they didn't say anything.Ajc 1254 12:08, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You must have heard of word melons being used for calling breasts... Just saying o_O | TheKax |   Talk   13:28, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Read the page for once, guys. "Markus Persson: We've added melons, and made both melons and pumpkins farmable so you can grow them." --Dbdii407 16:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Move page
Can someone rename this page to "Melon (Block)", Melon Seeds to "Melon (Seed)", and Melon Slices to "Melon (Slice)"? Afterwards, create a page named "Melon (Disambiguation)" to link to these 3 new pages? Cool12309(T 03:52, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Please no, not until the discussion at Minecraft Wiki talk:Community portal is resolved. We should be trying to move away from these pointless dabtext-styled pagenames, not further encourage them. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 13:28, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Since the naming convention is now established, I'm renaming them back to their in-game name. user Hellenion; 21:11, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * nvm, I'm too much of a noob here :] user Hellenion; 21:13, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It's established? Since when? :o  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 21:12, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I took your comment about the near-unanimous support as the final decsision.. I'll go lurk moar now :# user Hellenion; 21:16, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm currently looking to Wynthyst for the final decision. Don't worry, you can help move pages after the discussion is over! :>  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 21:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Texture
The textures for the melon block and the melon item don't make much sense. The item is a slice of water melon while the melon block looks like a completely different kind of melon like a cantaloupe or something. Is it possible that the texture we think goes with melon block is really for something else?Discount Flunky 05:51, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think that there would be any other kind of melon block in texture which jeb published. Is this what you've thought it will look alike? Additionally, Melon is confirmed already. Tom.K 06:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes that's what I thought it would look, because that's what the item looks like. The item has a green peel while the block has a yellow peel. How does that add up?Discount Flunky 19:25, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, are you kinda blind :X ? Block has green peel still. Tom.K 19:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about? The picture on the wiki and the official texture list are clearly yellow.Discount Flunky 20:52, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * How it adds up? It's minecraft. Cool12309(T 22:13, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * --HexZyle 02:15, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

So it's logical to plant a yellow melon that turns green when you harvest it? That's not even logical for Minecraft standards.Discount Flunky 02:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Neither is saplings instantly spawning into trees and suffocating you in the process --HexZyle 03:42, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

No that's not really a valid argument. That is logical for Minecraft standards. Having your melon block like like a yellow log while having the item it spawns be a stereotypical water melon slice isn't. There just too contradictory. Either they make the melon block green or the item yellow.Discount Flunky 03:56, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You want green blocks/yellow items? Get a texture pack. Cool12309(T 10:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

That is the complete opposite of what I said.(learn to read)Discount Flunky 11:10, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Melon Stems
From what I've seen so far, each melon stem will only grow ONE melon. sat with a patch of several stems idle for several hours, and each stem had only produced a single melon, despite having plenty of growing space. 71.58.156.99 17:15, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Um i dont woant to be rude but do more research. I have a melon patch with 2 mature stems and more stems growing and the mature stems have produced at least 3 melons each. Bob123412 00:04, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell, each stem can only grow one melon at a single time. Once that melon is harvested, the stem will continue to grow another melon. One stem cannot simultaneaously grow more than one melon at a time. CaMoreno3 10:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * From what I've tested in 1.9 pre-5, one stem grows only one melon, but one melon can be attached to multiple stems. Meaning, if stem notices grown melon near it, it attaches to it instead of growing a new one. So, in site mentioned 49.3% producing farm would really grow only 24 melons (24/81 = 29.6% efficiency), all the other models would stay the same. This problem however could be solved by building the farmland on multiple layers. That would prevent stems from attaching to other melons. Model of updated 49.3% farm would look like this (F=farmland, S=seeds, W=water, number = layer):

F1 F1 F1 F1 F2 F1 F1 F1 F1 S1 S1 S1 S1 S2 S1 S1 S1 S1 S1 S1 S1 S1 S2 S1 S1 S1 S1 F1 F1 F1 F1 F2 F1 F1 F1 F1 F2 S2 S2 F2 W2 F2 S2 S2 F2 F1 F1 F1 F1 F2 F1 F1 F1 F1 S1 S1 S1 S1 S2 S1 S1 S1 S1 S1 S1 S1 S1 S2 S1 S1 S1 S1 F1 F1 F1 F1 F2 F1 F1 F1 F1


 * In that test i haven't noted anything about how fast you would gain melons, only if you leave them to grow for a long time. But if I guess right, it randomly checks if one of the 4 blocks near it is free and place a block on it, so if 4 are free, its 100% chance per check, if 2 blocks = 50%, 1 block = 25%. So in this kind of situation:

F S                S F S F       VS        S F
 * That way left one would produce twice more likely per check than right one. In the other hand, left one would produce only one melon, while right one 2 melons. This means, that in both cases, efficiency is theoretically actually the same. But, since most of the ppl don't stand there to wait for melon and collecting the melon takes time, actually left one is even a bit less efficient than right one. That leads to situation, where model I created above, is the most efficient. Baabenchier 15:21, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Efficiency
This article is very ambiguous, claiming a design that produces the best possible results followed with another alternate design claiming to produce better results. If someone could clear up which design is actually the msot efficient that would be great. Thanks. 76.205.124.141 23:39, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Done. I hope that you find my design efficient enough. Neither of the two that were there are efficient at all. The one I put up is the farm I currently have in use, and I will update a screenshot once this current harvest has grown in . If anybody has a way of making it more efficient, let me know. CaMoreno3 10:40, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You could switch farmlands with seeds to make the design more convenient (melons are picked from farmlands at the outsides):

F F F F F F F F F S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S F F F F F F F F F .. . . W. . . . F F F F F F F F F S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S F F F F F F F F F
 * I find it easier to pick from the inside, because you can go through and get two rows at once. I guess everyone has their preferences. I added both designs.CaMoreno3 19:53, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I personally use this design (dots = grass): 212.160.172.70 12:05, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

W W W W W W W W W S S S S S S S S S F F F F F F F F F .. . . . . . . . F F F F F F F F F S S S S S S S S S W W W W W W W W W


 * That's a practical design, but not efficient in terms of block usage. There is more water than necessary and it yields less melon per block used. CaMoreno3


 * I added the screenshot. CaMoreno3 20:31, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Can someone find the code(like we have on the wheat page) for what would make for the fastest growth. I have always spaced mine out so that each seed has all four tiles for possible growth to make sure I get a melon as fast as possible(as I have assumed growth is random and if it cant spawn in the random direction picked it waits for the next time to try again, and thus slows you down in production).  Compared to others that have it in a line method I SEEM to get more melons faster then they do.  If that code could be found we could figure out if having few stems that produce faster if better or if lower but more is better?! - Rafiki2085 7:33, 15 September 2011 (CST)
 * I've done some simple tests on this. I set up a row of 10 melon stems (group A), each with only one possible space for a melon to grow, like others have been suggesting. I made another field with 10 staggered stems with 4 unique spots available per stem (group B), in a pattern like this:

F  F S F F   F F F S F F S F F F   F F S F        F
 * By the time TWO of the group A stems had spawned a melon, all of the group B had, some twice. Seems to me that if you want fast growth, and aren't concerned about ease of harvest or space, staggered is the way to plant. Gives credit to your theory too, Rafiki. Doomed fireman 07:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I just looked into the code, and the guy above is correct. When it comes to the placing of the melon, it picks a random direction and attempts it. If it is not valid it waits for the next update check. It's 'growth rate' function is the same as wheat's {having adjacent hydrated farmland makes it grow faster, but having adjacent seeds makes it grow slower} Anyways, if you have a space on each side of the stem, you'd get roughly 50% faster growth rate {having 2/4 directions work instead of 1/4}.

F F F F F F F F F S S S S S S S S S F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F S S S S S S S S S F F F F F F F F F

vs F F F F F F F F F S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S F F F F F F F F F

Do the blocks that the melons grow on have to be hydrated for fast growth? If not, then the design on the far left could be improved by planting seeds on the unused row and tilling the land next to them. It would be 9x10 though.


 * Yes, adjacent farmland, and light level effect growth rates.


 * The article simply claims space efficiency; more melons growing per block of space used to farm. The page is completely correct. However, I will look into average speed per block used if we get optimal designs for 2 space, 3 space, 4 space per seed farms. Father  Toast  21:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. did some research. I put the very space-efficient farm against the best 4-space farm I could make. Both would produce 20 melons if left to their devices. The space-efficient farm took up 45 blocks, the 4-space farm took up 113. I divided the average speed of each farm (o.25 for the space-effecient, 1 for the 4-space) by the area to get 0.005 speed/block used in the space-efficient farm and 0.00885 speed/block used in the 4-space. Basically, the farm that provides four possible growth spaces for each melon is more space efficient than the "space-efficient" farm, but only if you break the melons often enough. The 4-space farm will also give each seed more adjacent farmland, which means it's even faster than the number above (I don't know how it works in exactly, so I left it out). Father  Toast  01:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

49% efficient farm
I have added a design for a 49% efficient farm, but it is actually a range. It could be anywhere from 44% to 49% efficient.

The reason is that it causes some seeds to have two spaces to grow into.

How efficient it is depends on how those ambiguous seeds grow. Is this done randomly when a seed has multiple places to grow? Or do they have a preferential order? (i.e. north first, east next, then south, and last west)

When this becomes known the section may require further editing. For now I have written an explanation that assumes randomness. -Grickit September 16 2011 13:51 UTC

I have been looking at the code and it selects one of the four directions at random and if it cant spawn at that location it does nothing (thus wasting that possible growth. I will also add that from the code, the max possible growth rate is when a 3x3 square is cleared, tiled and waterd with a stem in the middle.  If there are any other blocks at the stem level(includeing melons) or untiled blocks in that 3x3 that will lower the growth rate.  Its more complicated then just that, and I'm currently working on calculations to find the best layouts.  Fast growth for a single stem is from a watered, tiled 3x3 square with the stem in the middle (I know the diags are wasted and no mellon can spawn there but they (like wheat) are part of the growth rate calculation. - Rafiki2085 September 20 2001 13:15 CST

This farm is only 49% if you exclude the fact you're missing a row of farmable land. It should be noted as such. Anon 05:52, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Growing Patterns
Good day everyone,

I've been doing science in creative mode and it appears that melons grow better in certain patterns than in others, just like wheat. I think this should be pointed out in the article. Also: Some of the farm layouts claim to have a certain efficiency, but aren't efficient at all when looking at this growth pattern aspect. user Hellenion; 21:01, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Sound like info for a new tutorial page. Maybe Tutorials/Melon Farming/?  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 21:05, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Farmland to dirt
Does it automatically happen (like with mushrooms) or is it because the melon block is opaque and eventually converts the farmland back to dirt? --JonTheMon 15:16, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Solid blocks always revert farmland instantly. Father  Toast  15:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * By "instantly", you mean a couple seconds later, right? SpecB 14:53, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * By instantly he means instanly. --Saphireking65 15:14, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * By instan he means almost instant, if you are quick enough with a bud toggle and piston, you can harvest the melons without ruining or re tilling the farmland.

grow time
how long do seeds take to grow into mature melons.

Melons spawn on farmland blocks next to the seeds, not on them. I made that mistake too, when I started. ThatDirtBlock 01:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Randomly spawning melons
I just created a new creative world, and what i found was a melon! It didnt had a stem next to it, so i was astonished. The wiki said that melon seeds only can be found in abonded mineshafts. Here's the seed: 4858115831337610540
 * Are you in Minecraft 1.1? HotdogPi 20:04, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have Xie's Mod?

Melon attached to two stems
I found one melon that had two stems attached to it in SMP 1.1. The stems were on adjacent sides. Not sure if this bug was injected in 1.1 or before. Maybe related to the change that allows melons to grow on regular dirt. 184.59.11.0 06:40, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually this is not a bug, try to re-arrange your melon stems differently so this doesn't happen.

Melon Growth with respect to Opaque Blocks
In 1.2.3, a melon will generate in a space which has an opaque block above it (there still must be no opaque block above the stem.) I don't know when this changed, or if it has always been this way, so I haven't updated the page yet. Could someone check previous versions and update the page accordingly?

I had a large melon/pumpkin farm in 1.1 that allowed melons to spawn under opaque blocks. it's been like that for a while now.

Another Tool Failure
Pumpkins are removed more quickly with the axe, but melons don't have this trait. another problem that makes no sense.