Talk:Minecraft Wiki

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'Removed and planned content' Template - idea
I think that placing removed mobs (e.g. beast boy, human) blocks (crying obsidian, gear) or planned ones (pigman, red dragon etc.) is quite strange. It should have its own template, where all uncorfimed, unused and removed content would be placed. What do you think? Xeoxer 12:59, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This is something that has been discussed numerous times in many of the removed content pages with almost unanimous support. The categories have become extremely cluttered and unsightly since 2010-2011 and this is an easy, professional way to fix this. --Moxxy 18:39, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

wrong location for translation projects
hi! i've just surfed the minecraftwiki which is implicit the en-version and clicked on "Random page". The resulting page was a bit of a surprise and doesn't feel right. I got to http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Items/th which lies in the (implicit) en-wiki but is obviously not english content. therefor this page (and all similar pages) should be moved to their localized-wiki-subdomains (like th.minecraftwiki.net, de.minecraftwiki.net, etc), or otherwise in some special wiki-area, which will not be found by the random-function, as this function should deliver a random page of the currently used localization. greetings --89.199.19.219 18:22, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I completely agree. I do not like clicking random and having some page in Japanese come up.  I appreciate the redirect link at the top, but sometimes I just want to read some random pages.  Is there any way we could get the random function to only work on English pages? -- Choolio123 11:46, 8 February 2012
 * I completely agree as well. This is an issue on many Curse run wikis (I edit the Terraria one) and is extremely annoying as it makes the feature useless. You're much more likely to run into a page that's complete gibberish to that individual. This doesn't just effect the English speakers, it ruins it for all the other languages as well. --Moxxy 17:51, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there any way that you know of to fix this? I know that the original poster of this problem mentioned sub-domains.  Is there any way we could get these such things? Choolio123 11:53, 8 February 2012
 * Admins can't even do this, yet alone me. I'm positive only the person/s who runs the site can make changes involving domains. --Moxxy 17:58, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Subdomains are set up as soon as a project has shown enough commitment to the translations. Until that happens, I'm sorry, but you simply have to deal with it. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:56, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, and I noticed that if you click on Random Page on another subdomain, like fr.minecraftwiki.net and such, no english or other language pages show up; only those in the specified language do. Why can't this be applied on the English site? --return_0 13:06, 3 June 2012 (PST)
 * If this can't be addressed on the parent website (meaning www.minecraftwiki.net), perhaps there could be an en.minecraftwiki.net (which currently redirects to www.minecraftwiki.net) that contains only English pages. It may be hard to do, but it will definitely be worth it, removing a lot of hassle for a lot of the site's users. return_0 14:16, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

The pages like Items/th are temporary staging areas until a translation project is reasonably complete and can be spun off as a self-sustaining wiki with its own community and administration. For example, the Chinese wiki has “graduated” in this way. So it's not a case that subdomains aren't being used, it's that they aren't used early on. —kpreid 19:46, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well that makes sense. I can see why that is in place, but I feel as though there should also be a way to detect your approximate location and apply that to the random button.  Or maybe you could alter your own user settings to allow only English language randoms?  Just an idea.  Is this at all possible?  -- Choolio123 18:45, 8 February 2012

This issue has been brought up so many times... I think it should be mentioned in the FAQs. Maybe a solution to this can possibly involve some special headers or something that can be put on each translation subpage and the Random page function can skip those pages that have those headers. Is this even possible to add to the MediaWiki code or is it just used straight out of the box with no modifying possible? - Asterick6 (talk) 01:36, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Weekly builds removed?
Jeb_ is still doing weekly builds, why remove it from the main page? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 93.130.30.135 (Talk) 06:18, 20 January 2012. Please sign your posts with


 * They were never removed. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 07:32, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * They weren't removed there just simply isn't one right now

NINJAS KICK BUTT 15:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Add Brewing to Popular Pages?
I saw that Enchanting is on the Popular and Useful Pages section of the Main Page, and was thinking that if that is the case Brewing should be on there as well.
 * Oh, never mind, I see it fits in "Gameplay" section of the page.

seeds
The Minecraft Wiki really needs a page on world seeds.
 * Like this one? -- Orthotope 04:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I feel like there should be a section on this page about specific or unique seeds. We could make a new topic on the the seed page, but make sure you get enough seeds to make this a worthy section.  Also provide pictures.  Maybe we could even find seeds that spawn you in specific biomes.  I would advise adding something about the 404 Challenge. Choolio123 14:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * That's been discussed ad nauseum, it's not going to happen because seeds change in virtually every major version update. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:57, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That's true. I had never really thought of that before.  I guess this discussion is closed. Choolio123 14:41, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

But what if we select seeds from the most recent one, and do a major edit every time a new update is released? Epicrcf
 * That would be too much work. return_0 03:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Trivia Fluff
I think we should start a clean-up project of major pages trivia sections. One of the issues that many wiki sites face is that people believe that adding content is what makes a wiki better or they feel that they must have a part in the wiki and have to add something. This is most commonly done in the trivia section and the problems are especially prevalent on this wiki. The glut of the trivia on many pages do not have any real significance, are just relisted facts from the article, changes that belong in the history or in some cases things that aren't even true. The Minecraft wiki is looking less professional in recent days and more like something done by a 16 year old because... well, the majority of people who play Minecraft are around this age and have much more time than the people who aren't. If I could have a few people to help me out with this (especially if they are site staff) it could be a good step to clean up the site. --Moxxy 18:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. Some of the trivia is interesting, but some of it is fairly useless.  Much of it seems to just be a page filler to make each page seem more extensive.  A good example of this is a piece of trivia on the Ender Dragon's egg page that says, "When hit with flint and steel (left click) it might break with one hit or teleport and appear in a new position, but still broken."  I don't quite see the point in this.  Moxxy, what do suggest we do? --Choolio123 19:29, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I think i my have found a special world seed for the 360 edition worldseednotch  all in lower case and one word Its got everything ,snow, desert, tropical, temperate plains floating land, massive cave and crater mountains, waterfalls, lava pools, pits, arches of land. World seeds like this need to be discovered and list for all minecraft players.

Logo Change?
I've seen the Minecraft Wiki logo for bout 5 months, and always wondered, "How does this really relate to Minecraft?" Should there be a change to the Minecraft logo? Something more Minecrafty? --Jpmrocks 22:25, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've honestly thought this too. I mean it's kind of cool, but it really has no relation to Minecraft.  I would like to possibly see either the grass block, a pig face, or creeper face.  What do you think? Choolio123 14:36, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The grass block is already the Minecraft logo. How about another block, e.g. Bookshelf? —Fenhl 17:19, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I vote for the Written Book as our logo. :D -- 173.65.210.35 07:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the logo could be a diamond ore block (I would prefer Ruby ore but the community would probably vote for the former) with a creeper face on one side. Any thoughts? return_0 03:34, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And I said diamond ore instead of emerald ore because, although emeralds are rarer and more valuable, the diamond is symbolic. return_0 04:13, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, the logo could be a Crafting Table with an iron pick and hatchet crossed, and the words "Minecraft Wiki" on a banner above it. And possibly we can change the background to be more lively? Not just a blank canvas. --Jpmrocks 02:33, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I like and agree with both of your ideas, but would a background image slow down the site by any signifigant amount? And what type of image would it be?  I was thinking of something similar to the way the achievements page looks with the descending grass, dirt, stone, various ores such as iron, gold, redstone, lapis lazuli and diamond ores.  Maybe we could also include a Zombie or Spider spawner?  What do you think? Choolio123 14:21, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking similar to the achievements background, but around 3/4 down the page, have a layer of bedrock, then have a little Nether thingy going on, with fortresses and everything. Possibly at the top f the page, maybe around 1/16 of the page from the top will be End themed. It shouldn't slow down the site, maybe a little at first due to the website adjusting. --Jpmrocks 14:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I though about it and I came up with a bit of an idea, based on the ThinkGeek website. Imagine Minecraft-y stuff on both sides, but when you get to the bottom of the page it transitions into an End-esque background. Just an idea. I'll try and make a bit of a design idea 153.107.33.155 03:47, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I've been wondering about this thing for a long time (a year by now), and I have asked the admins a while ago. They say that it's a limitation of the servers at Curse that only allows the front page to be boring (or at least it has something to do with limitations at Curse, I don't exactly remember). But as I agree that this is an issue, I recommend that someone writes on the "admin noitceboard", to let the admins know.  Fracq  Grenade    |   talk    contribs  17:54, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Perhapes we could do a crafting table with a diamond sword and diamod pickaxe crossed behind it. Thje words Minecraft on top, and wiki on the bottem? And, I think, In the far distance Monsters chasing a player. ~simcity18

I think the new logo should be something iconic, that Minecraft is famous for. Along with the font of MC across the top. Just ideas off the top of my head. -JKirschner 12:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Bug tracker
The page linked to using the name "bug tracker" is not really about bugs but more about support and venting new popular ideas. The wiki page is more relevant but still not a tracker why I suggest naming it "bugs" only.

--Nuxas 12:07, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Remove "Bug tracker"
 * 2) Add "Support" linking to getsatisfaction
 * 3) Add "Bugs" linking to the wiki page
 * I believe it is Mojang's wish that bugs be reported on Get Satisfaction. While Jeb does respond on the Known Bugs page, I don't believe we want to promote that over Mojang's wishes. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  12:15, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you make that assumption about Mojang's wishes on?

Mojang has no official presence on getstifaction and since Jeb is the lead developer I would conclude that the wiki is the place to go for bugs. --Nuxas 12:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Mojang officially said on [] to use the latest bugs section on this wiki. Bawki 21:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Bad price
The good price is 26.95$. Maxum 22:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

What's new
I was wondering if we could have a page with all blocks/mobs/items/worlds that notch is considering adding would be on so we don't have to go through about 20 pages to make sure there aren't any new things we should care about, the snapshot pages do have things that are going to be in an update, yes, but I mean things that he's just asking about to see if there's any interest, I think it would be really usefull.--Ash0011 00:16, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I suggest taking a look at Upcoming features and then think about what more you want than that. Also, Minecraft Wiki is not for writing suggestions to Mojang. —kpreid 00:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Add Bukkit News to Headline
I think you should add the fact that the Bukkit team has teamed up with Mojang to the News section. Just a small section, just thought you should know. --Benny95346 00:50, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

1.2 is out
Plese update main page to reflect the release about 3 mins ago of 1.2


 * Is it 1.2 or 1.2.1 or 1.2.2? I've heard conflicting stories. --96.41.123.243 15:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * (1.2.2) -- Oliver Scholz  Wiki Admin 15:38, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * 1.2.3 is already released, while you on the homepage state that 1.2.2 is the latest version.


 * 1.2.5 is now the latest version. -Epicrcf


 * Should this section be deleted since the problem has already been dealt with? I don't want this section to get cluttered. return_0 04:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Update upcoming features
Online sync hasn't been talked about for ages, last time it was mentioned was by Notch when achievements and stats originally came out, but then forgotten

New game modes haven't been talked about either

Iffa 17:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I am also in favor of removing these things from the main page, but please sign your posts in any and all Discussion pages. The editing pages even tell you how to do it, it's not difficult. Rulerofeden 23:15, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

The new game modes should stay, since Adventure mode has been added in 12w22a. -return_0 13:59 3 June 2012 (PST)

Turn that stupid thing off.
overt-ops.com/uploads/nice.png - Does that side panel need to be on every single page? Really? It overlaps the actual content about 80% of the time. I don't know what resolution the webmaster(s) are on, but on 1366x768 (pretty standard) it makes parts of the site unusable. And furthermore, it's impossible to post a link to the image. I have to hit preview before I can save, then I hit save, and there's a math problem to prove I'm human, but then the "Save" button is disabled again. Preview, Save, math, Preview Save math, previewsavemath -- WTF? So since I can't put on the http:// part, you gots to copy/paste it. --67.190.183.219 20:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup most wiki users are pretty annoyed at this badly designed/located box. I've actually edited my css to block that horrific thing. Curse is the one who owns this site, and they require it to be on here, so there's a problem with removing it permanently or changing it. There's been discussions about this problem, but the admins and Curse still haven't found a solution. - Asterick6 04:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I Have no probums with it on my Windows 7 PC with a DELL monitor made in 2005 ---007a83 00:05, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I haven't seen any problems when viewing it on a Mac desktop, PC desktop, Mac laptop, or PC laptop (yes, I've tried all four), but there are problems when viewing it on an iPad. -- return_0 13:17 3 June 2012 (PST)

0.3.0 for iOS is out!
Please update the main page with this!


 * That Pocket Edition update is now out for both iOS and Android. So yeah, it should be updated. ;) smwforever45 16:04, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

wiki back ground
I love the new wiki back ground. Who came up with that? --007a83 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 20:03, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You can thank Ultradude25. It was his idea, and he did all the work to debug it. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:35, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea, it's great. The only issue (very minor) I see is that the "Minecraft Wiki" part of the logo cannot be seen very well with the background. Maybe it should be white? Just a suggestion. Anyway, besides that, it looks amazing. ISQ Talk 22:41, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The text in the logo has already been made white. Delete the cache of your browser and reload the Minecraft Wiki, then it should be there. I agree with the others, the new background is awesome. smwforever45 23:27, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks for telling me. I should have done that before commenting. It looks a lot better now lol. ISQ Talk 01:53, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

New Skin
I love it. I've seen this new format elsewhere and I'm not a fan; while I don't share the loathing of it that some express, I suggest having an option to switch between old and new formatting for those who, like me, prefer the familiar old format to the, in my/our opinion, ugly new one. --98.253.220.185 16:38, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Same here. Though I think the skin is suitable for the Minecraft forum, here it makes the wiki lose its "wiki" feel. It also adds space to the side of my browser, giving me a scroll bar to slide into a blank area. It just bugs me. &#124; JSan 20:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


 * They did not have a choice its Curse's choice not the wiki admins --007a83 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 23:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

new skin
i hate it change it back or allow settings to change it or i will use i different minecraft wiki--64.235.152.13 14:54, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I dont know why people are so upset. its a skin, deal with it! - Epicrcf
 * It's basic human psychology; people are more comfortable with things they're used to. It's the same reason people get all pissed when Facebook monkeys with its layout.  If people were given the choice of what format to use, they'd be a lot happier. --98.253.220.185 03:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

just a skin? thats like saying dictator-ship is just a form of govenrnment deal with it except the new skin is worse|[[Media:128673102819314185 2]] --64.235.152.13 21:39, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I dont wanna hear you blabber on about a skin we are all fine with except for 3 people -Epicrcf


 * Wow. You're a hater (Not you, Epicrcf). So I guess you would be happy mind if the skin was changed back to normal and a dictator took over the country and sentenced you to death. Analogy Police. You hating the background is more like you hating the president because his clothes are different. Sure, settings to change the background would be nice, but you are really taking this to the extreme. Yeah. Go on and use a different minecraft wiki. BECAUSE NO OTHER REPUTABLE ONE EXISTS! You're really that bad that you would do that. Unbelievable. return_0 14:54, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

XBox 360?
This kind of stuff just bugs me. To me, having correct spelling on a wiki is very important, which is why I'm asking for it to be changed to Xbox Live Arcade instead of XBox. Because that's the platform. I won't have a ragefit if it doesn't change, but it's something in my opinion and proper. - Pokeneon7 12:22 AM, 11 May 2012 (EST)
 * I agree - Epicrcf
 * good point-samamstar

Im just ready for the pistons and creative mode- TTWW3

Update for MCX360?
Just wondering, are there plans in place to update the main page with news about MCX360's release and version info (as with the PC and iOS versions)?76.181.65.128 00:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Note: I had to repost this comment because User:Pokeneon7 removed it without explanation (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk%3AMinecraft_Wiki&action=historysubmit&diff=305519&oldid=305351).76.181.65.128 00:12, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Bump. I see the version info is added, but surely MCX360's release is notable enough for the main page's News section. Could someone please add it?76.181.65.128 22:57, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Another bump. Is everyone in charge too busy to read this talk page? I don't mean to cause an inconvenience, but I really think this matters and it is a very simple request. The sooner someone adds the news about MCX360's release (it has been out a week now) or says it can't be added because of some rule, the sooner I'll stop nagging about it and find somewhere else to haunt. I would gladly add the news myself, but the page is locked.76.181.65.128 20:49, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * You'll find it more productive to add changes you want to the editcopy page. As you can probably tell by how outdated the history section is, we're pretty busy with other things to ever get around to updating it. Copying over suggested changes is much easier for us, and will have a lot better chance to get on the page then just asking here. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 04:49, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Recent Community Articles?
This isn't incredibly important, but I was wondering why the recent community articles sidebar appears on every page of the wiki except the homepage. Now that the wiki is more closely associated with curse, shouldn't this have a place? It would save me having to click on a random page to see if new articles have been added (that's several seconds of my life wasted! ;P ). Like I said, not at all serious, but slightly perplexing.

mine craft
can you make a list of the most dangerous creatures? 1.Creeper 2.Spider 3.Zombie 4.Skeleton 5.YOURSELF NAH JUST KIDDING. BUT THE OTHER FOUR ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS FROM DAMAGE TO HEALTH.

Last I checked, all enemies are as deadly as each other, they just have different strengths and weaknesses to balance them out. But I think this would garner more attention on a forum. TheRealTerminal 23:25, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think this should be added, as some of it is subjective, since there are more factors to be included than just the damage created. Do you get what I'm saying? - return_0 14:05 3 Jun 2012 (PST)

price in USD / GBP
As of May 21 06:55am CEST the price of Minecraft (19,99EUR) is 16,45£ / 25,56US$. Please Edit this, thanks :)

(Source: finance.yahoo.com)

--95.223.47.232 05:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Farming and Mining tutorial link
Can someone add to the "Gameplay" section the link "Farming and Mining Tutorials" between "General Tutorials" and "Mechanism Tutorials" pointing to "http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials#Farming_and_Mining"?

This tutorial section was probably added to the Tutorials page after the main wiki page was created, but the main page does not reflect the Tutorials page anymore. All other tutorial sections have their own link.

Chimel 17:36, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

mods
i downloaded a mod but i dont know how to get it in the game and i hope this is not copyrighted –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 50.81.195.66 (Talk) 00:28, 22 May 2012‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with

Creative items
in the item navigation box thingy chainmail and bottle o` enchanting are listed as creative only items. but as of snapshot 12w21a you can get them by trading with the villagers :) im kinda new to editing so i dont know how to fix it...

thanks in advance, Burning Acid 14:32, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Fixed --007a83 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 20:38, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

New syntaxe for version history
I was thinking about making difference between things imported from mojan and things that peoples find out... Maybe just a different color of separate them into two boxes - Akxe –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Akxe (Talk&#124;Contribs) 22:22, 26 May 2012. Please sign your posts with


 * What do you mean by "imported" and "peoples find out"? All updates, including snapshots, are released by Mojang. It's impossible to "find out" these updates unless you hacked into Mojang's servers. return_0 03:45, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I think Akxe is making a distinction between Mojang's official changelog and the full list of changes players notice, which is usually significantly longer. Developer's comments in the changelog are often replaced with more neutral language (for example, the change to cats in 1.2.4). -- Orthotope 07:17, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. Thanks for the clarification, Orthotope; now it makes sense. Yes, I think that would be a good idea. It could be implemented starting with the next snapshot, in fact! Maybe unofficial discovered updates could be in light gray or green, so as to not conflict with the hyperlink color (blue) and the hyperlink to removed page color (red). return_0 14:01, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Adventure Game Mode
Anyone going to move it from planned to game modes? 72.209.199.2 12:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Anything found only in a snapshot stays under "Planned" until it is in an official update. - return_0 14:14 3 June 2012 (PST)

"Development blog" link
It looks like that blog's not going to be about Minecraft anymore (if he even updates it, it's been 2 months since the last post). Is it necessary to keep the link? 67.241.38.239 00:16, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * If you mean notch.tumblr.com, I've noticed that too! return_0 14:06, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

animal info
im new to minecraft so in the xbox version do chickens die out


 * This should be posted in the Community Portal. 31.53.54.85 18:28, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Price in GBP
Minecraft is £16.95 in the UK as of the 21/06/2012

When we can get ua.minecraftwiki ?
We started translate the wiki to Ukrainian, but we would be better if we had our wiki --IKamikadze 09:57, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * After the majority of the pages are translated talk to a curse member. They don't give languages their own pages until they are pretty sure that it will be completed in the near future. --Moxxy 19:51, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

German pages are french ?!
Title says all, today suddenly the german pages switched to french. :(

should minecraft come out on more systems
minecraft would be good for Dslite/dsi/3ds and the wii ps3 and they should makeit for kinect and xbox 720 when it comes out. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.135.154.117 (Talk) 22:38, 8 July 2012‎. Please sign your posts with


 * The 720 should be backwards compatible with most 360 games. No other console ports are planned. -- Orthotope 22:53, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keyword "Most." If I remember correctly, the 360 had almost no b/c at all until software updates allowed it slowly. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have any b/c at all. What with SONY dumping PS3 B/c in the PS4 (rumor, but they hinted at potentially no b/c for PS3 or PS2 in the PS4.) This, from the company that started backwards compatibility with their PlayStation 2. Iyeru 22:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)