Talk:Enderman

The State of the Talk Page
More than half of this talk page has nothing to do with the Wiki and is being used as a forum for people to voice their opinions and ideas. ''' We should really stop the forum stuff. The wiki is no place for speculation, idea suggestion, or opinion sharing.''' The Get Satisfaction site should be used for idea sharing, and real forums for everything else. Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 23:56, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * We should petition an admin to go on a deleting spree here :D --HexZyle 02:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I agree to that then.Ajc 1254 20:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Image
The possibly needs to be updated. The endermen now have pupils when neutral. --HexZyle 11:15, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect info
Notch Confirmed that the mob will be peaceful until looked at directly

"(they stop being peaceful if you look straight at them)"


 * also they can teleport to you

"at least you can make them stop teleporting by looking directly at them now."
 * One last thing here are the tweets

" @notch, Markus Persson

at least you can make them stop teleporting by looking directly at them now. 11 hours ago

@notch, Markus Persson

The Endermen are peaceful. If you look straight at them, they freeze and look at you. When you look away again, they run fast. And teleport. 6 hours ago

@notch, Markus Persson

They run TOWARDS you, not away. So if you happen to look at one, do not look away. 6 hours ago

@notch, Markus Persson

(they stop being peaceful if you look straight at them) 6 hours ago"

Re-tweeted by @loper324 Loper324 Rocks! 03:56, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Trying not to get too nitty gritty, but Notch never said they run towards you, that is just an assumption that they attack like all other mobs by running straight at you and are a melee mob. The may run fast to get behind you, or run fast to avoid your sight, not necissarily towards you. --HexZyle 05:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Didn't he now? http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/96690477541228544 – ultradude25 ( T at 09:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * ah. seems I didn't read the thingy properly. :S embarressing much --HexZyle 14:03, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Possibly the scary mob?
Not to sure, but i think this fits well enough to be absolutely horrifying. So, possibly the scary mob that was mentioned?


 * Since silverfish don't seem to be scary in any way, I am completely certain that this is the scary mob. Did the silverfish even get any mention from Mojang? There's lots of hype over these weird creatures. Mybabypetghast 22:13, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know. I look at them, and they seems sorta friendly.


 * Regardless, we are a Wiki. we are not speculations united. Until told otherwise, this mob must be considered to not be the scary mob. --Kizzycocoa 22:19, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

The scary mob was finished by Jeb a long time ago, while this one is very recent and worked on by Notch. This isn't it. - DarkAuk 22:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * And where is the reference for that, DarkAuk? On wikipedia it says that the Slenderman is a being which can distort your perception, make you vomit blood, eviscerate children, and cause nausia and paranoia. I think that is the definition of scary. --HexZyle 00:10, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The "scary monster" was said to be finished on June 10th, but it was not put into 1.7. The Endermen were started by Notch on July 24th So, the time frame and author don't match up. This may be scary, but it's not the one. (Also, while I don't mind, most people would shoot you don't for using Wikipedia as a reference source.) - DarkAuk 00:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * What's wrong with using wikipedia? There are thousands of people worldwide making sure it remains a perfectly accurate information source, if an innacurracy exists, it will be corrected fairly quickly. --HexZyle 04:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * That's what I think, but most people totally discredit it because 'anyone can edit it'. - DarkAuk 14:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This form of self-correction actually only happens on the more major articles, trusting less well-established articles for factual accuracy can still be folly in some cases.Roady1990 16:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * If the scary mob is finished, Then there would be some sort of reference to it being completed, let alone being in the games files right now. I say citation needed! - Mybabypetghast 00:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * You know that they're keeping a good portion of 1.8 a secret, right? And so what if it wasn't put in 1.7? That update was just for pistons and shears. - DarkAuk 01:12, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, but they put the silverfish in 1.7 though. If this isn't the scary mob, tell me what you think the scary mob is then. Mybabypetghast 01:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * They put the Silverfish texture in 1.7 as a teaser/trolling/accident, but there is no code or actual models in the update. The Silverfish may be the scary mob (maybe 242_Girl is scared of them), or they could be something completely new and unexpected. Only time will tell. - DarkAuk 01:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Damn you TIME! Hurry up and spill the beans!!! :P --HexZyle 04:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Could these things act like Herobrine?
Since these things appear to be sinister and intelligent enough to build, could they act like the Herobrine hoax that's been going around? It seems likely to me. Mybabypetghast 22:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

i have only one thing to say on this mob... were screwed and now make your home 2-3 blocks thick


 * Oh lord I hope they are smart enough to build, and that seems unlikely because most of the Herobrine lore just involves him watching you. Occasionally some of the stories have had him building things.. ~Cial


 * Yea the folklore I've heard is pretty much just about some weird guy watching you in the fog (I can't even find him in the original picture :/). A few random babblings potray him beckoning the protagonist into some sort of hole or small cave and then filling it with gravel in an attempt to suffocate them. Herobrine was the first mob (fake or not) to be able to build things (accounts of random pyramids and crap) instead of just destroying them. I'm excited to see something that can build in vanilla minecraft. Herobrine and Endermen just seem kinda similar (recently noticed the white eyes on Ender, another similarity) to me. Mybabypetghast 00:38, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yea I noticed the white eyes bit too. Notch Mentioned if I recall correctly wanting to get something Herobrine-ish in game. Have you noticed how tall these things are? The one on behind the left most one holding sand is four blocks tall at the least.. ~Cial~


 * Is it just me or do some of the Endermen in this pic look taller than the others? --HexZyle 04:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I really don't think Notch would be able to program a mob capable of building anything intelligent. I'm guessing they'll take things out of your inventory when they attack or something similar. RacinFreek 01:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * YOU DOUBT THE PROGRAMMING ABILITIES OF THE GREAT NOTCH?! Of course he could make something intelligent. He made minecraft as we see it today, which is much more intelligent than you could make any mob. Mybabypetghast 01:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I did not say it had to build something epic.. Yea pickpocketing sounds interesting too. On the IRC I suggested that when one gets near you everything starts getting quiet.. But odds are that will never happen..And sometimes I doubt the abilities of Notch. I have seen the work "hacked" and "feature" too many times in the design notes.. Cial 02:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Pickpocketing would be ok, I guess. But these things don't look like they could run fast enough to be a problem (i.e. using their speed to run off with your stuff), with their long slender limsbs. I don't see the point in having something that can hold blocks if they don't do anything with them. I agree, they're probably not going to build anything that'll knock your socks off, but if they're holding blocks, they're going to do something with them. Mybabypetghast 03:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

One person speculated that since they are only holding a sand and dirt block (as of yet) they may be limited to taking blocks dependant on what tool they are carrying. Since they aren't carrying any...you could probably safely build your house out of stone. --HexZyle 04:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

these are weird....i bet notch will delete it. - wolfdog98


 * I would have to assume it is to early to speculate on what they can or can not hold, liquids are highly unlikely in my mind though... Cial 12:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Arrangement and Structure of this Talk Page
Am I hallucinating or is HexZyle adding his comments in between things that have already been said? p.s. Hex the one I have been able to judge the height on the best is 4 blocks tall, keep in mind they are all standing on different elevations Cial 20:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * @Cial, I am, I'm assuming comments with the same inset distance are replies to the comment one inset less, and I'm attempting to organise this page's structure accordingly. I apologise if it upsets you, but this talk page is a horrible mess. Can I add in subject headers and add insets if someone doesnt have one and it looks messy? Because I can't tell who is talking to who. And these multiple subject headers are about the exact same thing really tick me off. --HexZyle 23:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Like if you look at your comment you just posted there, Cial, it seems you have responded to the "these are wierd" comment by wolfdog98. That makes no sense at all. Since your comment is a new sub-subject, it should be without insets --HexZyle 23:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * @HexZyle, It is not upsetting me its just confusing me; when I see comments I didn't recall seeing before in the conversation, but yea if you are just organizing things go for it. I kinda lost the flow of the conversation a while back..Cial 00:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yay! (:3) I hope I haven't sounded to cocky...I kinda meant all that in a lighthearted manner, I'm just a little OCD and I'm absolutely obsessed with sorting and arranging things that I get carried away :D --HexZyle 05:11, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I apologise to everyone about the mass edits of this talk page. Most of them are just structure edits, so please if i change an inset that you intentionally structured, and you feel offended, undo it and ill get the picture. It's just as new things get released, during the prerelease the Talk pages can get hella messy. --HexZyle 05:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The endermen deal 4 hearts.-barterer

Fake?
I believe this will be a new mob, but some people out there think it could be a trick from notch. I'm just putting that here... -- F W D    Talk  22:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

If it is a fake, I'm gonna be fuming mad at Notch for cutting out worktime from 1.8 to work on a faked screenshot. 1.8 is supposed to be the LAST major update for Beta (i.e. not a patch/bug-fix), next comes the actual release of minecraft. This has to be one of the best updates yet. Given that, I doubt it would be a fake. Mybabypetghast 00:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "but some people out there think it could be a trick from notch" By some people you mean only you? Or are there really people who think notch would waste time faking with us? Jtlcr777 00:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Exactly what I'm getting at. Mybabypetghast 00:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

This isn't April 1st, and these are not Steve CO. supply crates...These are mobs... ~Cial~


 * I just said, I'm putting it here. I believe in this mob. -- F W D    Talk  12:12, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Why in the world would Notch spend time to create a faked screenshot of these things? It makes no sense! -Hlast

Alternate Names?
I've heard a lot of talk from several different sources and many people think endermen/enderman is a tacky name. However the reference to slenderman is still well liked and most people like names like slenders. Others like the name Farlanders as a reference to the "farlands" at the edge of minecraft, even saying that they come from the end of the world, where everything is black, which is shown in the Farlands page of this wiki. Personally i like Farlander because to me it sounds more original.


 * Dear sweet zombie Tesla lets not altname this Mob to death like we have for every new item/block/mob that has been released in the past 6 months. And what the hell do the Farlands have to do with a tall creature that picks up and moves our blocks?? Cial 17:46, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * People originally called it Doug for a short time before an official name was confirmed. - DarkAuk 17:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Doug? Doug the block mover...Wow... Cial 17:56, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Doug? Are you serious? They never called him Doug. They called him SCHWOOPY THE PANTS SALESMAN. Doug? Ha, don't make me laugh.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  18:22, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As I feel the same issues with Herobrine will reach to this page, I will state that we will NOT accept alternate non-canon names. I shall also ensure this page's quality is kept throughout the pre-release. --Kizzycocoa 18:39, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * @Kizzycocoa Ok. Link to Doug, which is used in a plural sense: - DarkAuk 00:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Kizzy is right. While the Enderman have been referred to as such by Notch, there has been no reference that they come from the Far Lands. I think that's a kinda redundant idea as no one would ever find them (820 HOURS of walking from the center of the map, and that's if you keep going non-stop, no nightime shelters or anything). In fact, I have yet to hear of someone making a legitimate trek to the far lands, and even then it would be hard to prove whether or not it was, in fact, a legitmate trek. No legitimate player will ever find them. Mybabypetghast 21:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry to burst your bubble, but someone is making a legitimate trek to the far lands and recording the entire process as well as raising money for charity along the way. See farlandsorbust.com He’s been going for two months already. Kroc 21:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * When you say making in that context, you assume they've already finished. My bubble shall be officially burst when said person finishes his or her journey. No one likes it when someone tries to twist and mangle your words in some way that they can make a retort that makes them feel better about themselves. Mybabypetghast 21:58, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It is a long journey however it can be done, it would be impressive if this person does in fact make the entire journey, to put it simply, said person needs to get a bloody life! MarcusJ


 * Lol, true. You'd have to spend weeks on minecraft in order to get that far. It's possible, but it hasn't been done yet. Mybabypetghast 20:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

They look very creepy
It could be the "scary mob" that Jeb announced a while ago. --Atr 17:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This must be some bug in the Wiki software. I did not post this... :S Atr 17:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

hope there fake, they will ruin the game. (wolfdog98)


 * I smell troll. We already have a discussion on how this is not the "scary mob" at the very top of the page. Also, it is they're not there. - DarkAuk 17:50, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * That's not a troll, it's mere speculation. This is a troll:

I recently hacked into Notch's computer and got the enderman's class files and put it in the game. They breathe fire, fly, and throw bombs at you that kill you instantly and destroy everything in a 20x20 area. They can see you from one corner of the map to the next so it is impossible to hide from them.

There's your made up troll for you :3. Mybabypetghast 04:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You forgot the terrible grammar and cocky attitude that many trolls display :P --HexZyle 05:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Addition of proper Grass blocks?
In the background you can see one of the Endermen holding what seems to be a dirt block, and yet it has the normal grassy edge to it.

This might be a glimpse of being able to legitimately pick up dirt blocks and having them still keep their grass.


 * Maybe it used INVedit? --Trollrilla 11:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Lol, now we have H4xx0R mobs that endorse in the use of third party programs. "Sooo, you like to play castlevania?" --HexZyle 11:44, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

History of name
Putting it here more for future additions to the article than anything, but it should probably be noted the source of the name of the new mob.

From | the Reddit discussion thread, Notch says "That's it, I'm officially naming them "Endermen" as a (subtle) reference to this." Which is in reference to the | internet meme Slender Man. I.e. (sl)enderman.

I can't be bothered at the moment to write up prose on the topic (especially since we have very little to go on at the present moment), but I definitely think it's worth mentioning in the completed article when 1.8 is released, if only as trivia at the very least, I guess. Atr 17:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's mentioned in the travia.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  17:41, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Excellent, thanks whoever added it. Atr 16:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Weaklings!
More weaklings for me to kill! Perfect! I can almost taste their blood already... (YES, this is a JOKE, serious post below this)

Well, in my opinion, there should be some type of block they can't move, either by weight (iron and gold?) or by block strength (obsidian and bedrock?) or perhaps both. Or maybe just regular old cobblestone to make players feel a bit more safe.

On the other hand, if they can move all blocks (except bedrock, but you can't make a house out of that), I hope there is some way to turn them but not the other monsters off, otherwise I'm switching to peaceful until I have at least diamond sword and full iron armor, preferably lava buckets too. Slayerlord13 07:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but this really is a pointless edit. The talk page is for talk for improving the content of the wiki article. As always, use forums and such for comments like this. Please keep this in mind for next time! Atr 18:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Out of all the posts that use this talk page as a forum, you had to say that to me and (seemingly) only me. Really? Slayerlord13 22:46, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Please keep it current.
If your going to be a complete anal-wart and lock the page, at least keep it current. 4 almost 5 hours ago notch posted on his twitter, revealing that this mob can teleport when your not looking at him.Yet there's nothing about that on his wiki page. Either unlock it. Or do your damn job, jew.
 * Notch made a random statement that may or may not have anything to do with Endermen. It was really too vague to be included.  Also the insults are not really called for.  And sign your posts. --Warlock 21:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Weeping Angels kill me now....
Dear god(any god)..All of Notch's twitter is "Notch y u ad Weeping Angels?!? Dey scawy!!". I mean really.. They are vaguely Angle like in their behavior yea, but the traits mentioned are shared by another that fits their description a lot better... But that is just me ranting here.. Opinions anyone or do you just want me to shut up? Cial 03:36, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The only thing that ever goes onto Notch's posts anywhere on the net are about a hundred posts all within the same minute, all saying the same thing. (OMG [9 instances]/It's Slenderman! [52 instances]/I won't be able to sleep at night [13 instances/An original joke that actually is pretty funny [2 instances]/You made Slenderman! [another 36 instances]) --HexZyle 05:24, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I think Notch has actually wanted to add this type of mob for a long time. Back during the Nether Update, he said he wanted to, but it wouldn't work well in SMP or something. Funny how you couldn't even go to the Nether in SMP until recently. Regardless, I have been waiting for this mob for a while. All we need is Fish. - DarkAuk 18:31, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't get me wrong, I love the mob. I love almost everything about the mob(god I want to know what Notch plans for the sound effects involving the mob). But people that hear it described and start yelling "Weeping Angel" make me wanna feed them to some kind of tall ominous eldritch abomination.. Cial 21:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Good thing they are barely close to a Weeping Angel, otherwise killing them while they are looking at us is close to impossible. --AntonImaus 04:06, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


 * These are like the Weeping Angels!! Almost worse than HeroBrine, if he is ever added, these are WAY too creepy for MineCraft. I hope Notch doesn't decide to add these for real, or I'm looking for a mod to disable Endermen in the game. A lot of people play MineCraft because it's not like other games like Dead Space or Silent Hill, where you're never that far from screaming your head off. You don't always have to keep check behind you for something that will make you sleepless all night. This is not MineCraft as it should be, and I don't want them added to the game.


 * The poster above should be glad they left no name else I would murder them in their sleep Oh look they added their name.. There is barely little to no resemblance to a Weeping Angel. As for scary scary mobs, put the game on peaceful for go play something else. Also if you are not checking behind you for creepers you are an idiot. This is how Minecraft is going(note how it is spelled) adapt, adjust, quit whining... Otherwise nice troll you made me twitch and want to strangle something.. Cial 18:31, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * That was me adding the unsigned tags.  I completely agree with you that the comparisons can be bothersome, but this is really not the place to talk about that. The right place would be a forum. Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 23:52, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh dear zombie Tesla no, the people there are mostly idiots.. Cial 00:17, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * You can't say you won't get scared a little bit while playing minecraft. Many newcomers to minecraft find cave ambience scary, The Nether is very scary when you first go there (NO ONE has mentioned the Nether, they all just whine about how minecraft will be too scary for them and how they can't handle something that is only slightly creepy), and who hasn't jumped when they turn around and see a creeper in their face? people need to stop the whining and start contributing here. Mybabypetghast 20:50, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I can see some of the similarities between the endermen and weeping angels but there are quite a few differences between them.--Tastylicious 07:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

How Much Do You Want to Bet...
That the Endermen will have 15 hearts health and deal 4.5 hearts of damage? (Just for fun) - DarkAuk 02:16, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * That sounds like it would be about right, looks like that would give them the most HP other than a giant or a large slime. Cial 18:37, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd like them to be 15 health, but 4.5 seems a bit much, how about they attack really fast, let's say thrice as fast as a zombie, but only deal half a heart of damage, or multipliers depending on the block that's being held. Rotflstar 9:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Aren't spiders faster than zombies? Or is that just when they lunge. If so I say make Enderman' speed a pinch faster than a spider lunging Cial 00:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, that is kind of rediculous. With their speed, small hitbox and distinctive and evasive method of transportation, making them overpowered would be absolutely insane. --HexZyle 02:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * They'll probably attack by picking you up and then attacking you in some other way, maybe they'll just hold you and shake you around so you can't really get a good shot at them while some actually dangerous mob finishes you off.--Kodiak42 22:39, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I for one welcome our dark lords.
Don’t even blink. Blink and you’re dead. They are fast, faster than you could believe. Don’t turn your back, don’t look away, and don’t blink. -The doctor. Can't wait for 1.8 now! It may not be a weeping angle, but it still sounds awesome! It will add a high amount of challenge, if they are rare, I will learn all of java, make a mod that makes them spawn at every moment of the day, never despawn, and be more common then pigs! I don't see why you'd like to disable them, they sound awesome!
 * if you make that mod, make a plugin just like that for bukkit too :D I would definitely use it. Jtlcr777 23:34, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

"The Enderman is a mob introduced in version 1.8"

Shouldn't this be "The Enderman is a mob to be introduced in version 1.8"?


 * The editor already stated it was so that it doesn't have to be changed when it is released. The edit was made by Quatroking: m (british > general english and removal of time)
 * He changed the context and switched my spelling around, calling me "British". (mildly offended) I didn't know American was the internationally accepted language. --HexZyle 10:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Quatro is actually dutch, not american.


 * As british myself, I can't really have a say. but I'd prefer if it were british english. it just sounds nicer imo. less lazy english, more pronounced english.--Kizzycocoa 10:32, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * No offense, but I never called *you* british, HexZyle, and Metre really is the alternative UK spelling of Meter.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  11:08, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Ack you interrupted my edit :S Kinda pulling apart the English language here but metre is derived from the French metrum and the Greek metron, both instances the r coming directly after the t. You are correct, Quatroking, as far as the international standards of language are concerned...but that should be the original spelling. I guess the British got something right there :P --HexZyle 11:14, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Both "American" and "British" are not languages. The official language for both countries is English. They may be spoken slightly differently, but it's still the English language. Let's stop the racism, shall we? Mybabypetghast 20:56, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * My apologies. It's only slight, but i guess it still constitutes as racism. Sorry. --HexZyle 00:12, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, cut the racism. There are kids on here who can get the wrong idea(my brother, Cman).Ajc 1254 23:08, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Uh, yeah, I already said that I would. It wasn't intentional. --HexZyle 01:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

endermen
I would like to note that in the picture of the endermen their is a water source block atached to the rear of the huge mushroom, and was curious if anyone could explain why. i'd also like to know if endermen is the plural of enderman
 * That water source block is indeed strange; nice catch. I don't think anyone has an explanation for it at this point, though.  And yes, Notch has referred to them as Endermen I believe.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 13:54, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Category
I was wondering what category these guys would fit into, hostile or neutral. Maybe for them we should make a new category: Scopophobic? --PaintTheFuture 16:11, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * After heavy discussion in the IRC yesterday, we determined hostile or neutral. likely neutral though. --Kizzycocoa 16:14, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say hostile personally. They're a bit like Spiders, though they take FAR less provocation to set off.   --Warlock 16:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * well, you could argue the same for wolves. 1 hit, and they're angry. same with zombie pigmen. the trigger is physical. but Endermen's trigger is visual. --Kizzycocoa 16:49, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well that's the difference though - you have to actually attack wolves or zombie pigmen to make them hostile. These guys you just have to look at.  I personally think that leans closer to hostile.  Neutral seems like you have to consciously choose to "make them hostile," whereas here you could accidentally make these guys hostile if you weren't careful.  IMO, ultimately it comes down to not misleading people into thinking they can walk around these guys and be ok.  But that's just my opinion :) --Warlock 17:13, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem is that hostile is a very clearly defined term when referring to mobs: attacks the player as soon as the player is within range. The  Endermen don't do that.  They must have the player instigate the fight before they can begin the attack.  The instigation is the act of looking directly at them, which, if we are defining neutral as peaceful until attacked, suggests a new category.  Maybe irritable?  :D  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 17:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * You will have to decide whether to go on technicality (Verhalthur - Neutral) or morality. (Warlock - Hostile) There is no compromise for this one, but most likely an edit war will follow whichever you choose. --HexZyle 19:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It should go under neutral for sure. Hostile mobs are the ones that attack you when they realize your existence; neutral mobs only attack when they are provoked in some way (e.g. being attacked, being looked at directly, etc). - DarkAuk 16:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I suppose this makes sense. It depends on how we define a provocation.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 17:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

The word 'coincident' is the new 'ironic'
It's not a coincidence if Notch named it after Slenderman on purpose now is it? --AntonImaus 16:40, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Read his naming origins. this really isn't new. --Kizzycocoa 16:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Block Moving
Does anyone know what kind of blocks they are able to move? I'm assuming sand, dirt, and grass, but I haven't found a confirmation of this. Spark01
 * Until Notch releases more information, no one really knows anything other than the appearance and the basic function. I'd say to look for that on Notch's twitter account in the near future.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 17:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, thanks. =) Spark01


 * If it turns out they can move any block i hope someone makes a bukkit plugin to disable or limit that. Imagine your all powerful mountain fortress being taken apart because one of them spawned next to it and started "working" lol. Now sand or dirt, most people don't use to build unless it's your first house and you're not up to punching a tree. --Scarasyte 09:14, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It'll still play havoc with my landscaping. No more gardens unless there's a way to exclude these.DreadLindwyrm 15:38, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh man, if they can move anything then... Quick! Add two or three extra layers to your houses/shelters! -Hlast

Can wolves attack?
I wonder if tamed wolves will be able to attack these things. Also, can a wolf looking at it make it hostile? ~Hlast


 * Those are some very valid gameplay questions which, sadly, can't be answered until Notch releases more information. Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 13:08, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * This does bring up an interesting point. I will attempt to do test this when 1.8 comes out. - DarkAuk 14:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this is an interesting thought. Next time Notch does anything posty about Endermen, I want answers.Ajc 1254 14:51, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

That guy's head
In the new pictures of the Endermen with the two player in them, what's up with the guy on the left's head? --Deanm 00:05, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing. The player has a pumpkin on his head, and the enderman has green eyes. So what? It's probably part of his attack animation.Ajc 1254 00:39, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * He means the green guy on the left. That's a zombie, not another player. Linebarrel 03:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Green Eyes
I noticed that the mob pics at the top of the page has Blue and red eyes. What about the green eyes in the newest endermen pic, and where did you get the red eyes?Ajc 1254 13:39, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Background
I saw two creatures in the background. I Photoshopped it with a red circle around them. You might want to zoom in on it though.

EDIT:I'm having troubles getting it on as a picture, so I'll make a topic somewhere with a link.

http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/background-8tzzw

There we go.

EDIT: I also looked at the original, and I saw them better. They do appear to be something.Ajc 1254 17:22, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * They are most likely 2 blurry Endermen. They are blurry because of the JPEG quality of the image, because of fog distance, or perhaps because enderman become blurry at a distance. --HexZyle 06:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Arrows stuck inside of zombie?
In that image with the pumpkin head guy, it just looks like that those arrows are stuck into the zombie. Look at it, see?

--TangentDelta 17:25, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Who didn't see that? Ajc 1254 18:39, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I have already brought this up on the Talk:Bow page, which is a more relevant place for it. This is the enderman page. --HexZyle 06:39, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

NOTCH NEVER SAID THAT THE PUMPKIN ON THE PLAYER'S HEAD HAS ANY SIGNIFICANCE!!
In the new image with the pumpkin, the player is looking straight at the Enderman. There is no proof that the Enderman ignores you when you have the pumpkin, becaue the player AND THE ENDERMAN are both staring at each other. Please remove that ungrounded theory. EDIT: I had looked at the thread... I just couldn't find where he said that.-MinecraftBen 15:17, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ben, you do know that with the picture he said that per user request(that request was from a small group I'm in) he added that Endermen don't attack you when your wearing a pumpkin, since they're useless anyways.Ajc 1254 15:22, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * As stated above, yeah he did. Research before you post. - DarkAuk 15:51, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, notice that the Endermans eyes are still green. There is proof that he ignores you. -iSmile 7:03PM 6 August 2011(ETC)
 * Yes, that's true.Ajc 1254 12:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Proof link or it didn't happen. Do not remove citation needed links, add citation instead. [[Image:TK.gif]]  | TheKax |   Talk   15:34, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I can see that this is being edit warred over. Guys, until we see Notch directly say, "The pumpkin prevents Endermen from getting angry at you," or find the original suggestion, we cannot call it confirmed.  Yes, Notch did post a picture of himself in a pumpkin head looking at Endermen.  That is not enough for definitive proof. I, myself, couldn't find the original suggestion, but I hope someone else can.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 17:36, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright! To end this debate, I created a new template:, which you can add by typing  or  .  Any time the source is credible and has info, but not enough to prove the claim, add this.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 17:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Ajc 1254 19:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * For a temporary end to this discussion I will list the information we can glean from the screenshot:
 * 1. It is official.  It was posted by xNotch, Notch's Reddit account.
 * 2. It is a screenshot of Notch adding a new feature (Title: "Sure, I will add that!")
 * 3. The player depicted is looking directly at the Enderman.  (In third-person, the center of the head is the center of the screen)
 * 4. The Enderman has green eyes, which indicate friendliness.
 * However. This information is not enough to prove that the feature he added is the pumpkin helmet providing protection against Enderman hostility.  It could be that he added friendly-only Enderman, or had them edited to only be friendly.  We don't have any idea what the context of the screenshot is.  We must find the original suggestion that Notch is responding to, and see the response to prove the claim that pumpkins prevent Endermen from becoming angry.  The current source is not enough.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 15:26, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's exactly the truth. The pumpkin stuff is speculation. (as a side note, just to clarify I do know xNotch is official Notch.) [[Image:TK.gif]]  | TheKax |   Talk   16:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I assumed you did. I was just putting that there for those who don't follow Reddit.  The username "Notch" exists which suggests that xNotch is fake, though it actually means that someone took that username before Notch started Reddit-ing, which may confuse some people.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 16:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Discussion of Verification (Moved from User talk:HexZyle)
With the photo, Notch said that wearing pumpkins warded off Endermen. No needed. Ajc 1254 13:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Link, please. Until then, it's [citation needed]. | TheKax |   Talk   14:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe you, despite not having seen the actual reference, but although you are fanatical about that suggestion, we can't base a wiki fact off your word alone. It's uncited until proven cited:

"To ensure that all Wikipedia content is verifiable, anyone may question an uncited claim by inserting a tag. Exercise caution before relying upon unsourced claims" --HexZyle 19:45, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have added a further template that tells the reader that the source is official and contains related information, but does not definitively prove the claim:   Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 19:55, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your help, but the "citation needed" does its job just fine. How did you get to my talk page, anyway? --HexZyle 20:01, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I watch the Recent Changes page far too much. ;)  I created the template because I thought that the source should stay due to it being official. I remember Notch responding to a Reddit user's request by adding the pumpkin feature, and the source did help the claim so I felt that it should remain until the the complete proof is found.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 20:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * We could just get past all this mess if you gave us a link to where Notch said this. The current citation does not contain any such info from Notch. [[Image:TK.gif]]  | TheKax |   Talk   14:11, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The current source is Notch's Reddit account. However, it doesn't definitively prove the claim.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 14:56, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

They emit smoke.
If you look closely at the picture, you can see that they are leaving behind a trail of smoke. However, it is in the newer picture, not the ones on the beach.

Perhaps the smoke makes sound that you hear? I think so, due to the fact that it could add to the overall 'creepiness' of the mob. Daniels Grant1 17:56, 5 August 2011 (UTC)Daniels_Grant1
 * Perhaps, they just teleported.Ajc 1254 18:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Since they are a mob in development, its most likely Notch just added that recently. --HexZyle 01:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Good news!
Because of their new skin, they are actually LESS scary now. And also, now you actually know when they become hostile. Good job, Notch!
 * New skin? When?!Ajc 1254 12:26, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Not good news, if you can't handle the fear, too bad. I love the concept of a Big-Daddy-like behavior system, but not for these guys. I like their white eyes. - DarkAuk 17:01, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I LOVED the white eyes. They seem to be a nod to Herobrine. Green-Red Eye change is cliched bull. They look like traffic lights. I'd rather have some sort of ambience when a hostile ender is moving towards you. Whining babies are ruining this mob, and I'm sick and tired of it. If you don't like it, another whining baby will probably make a mod that prevents them from spawning. I don't understand why this is so creepy and none of the other things that would normally be scary in minecraft (the nether, cave ambience, that moment when you look behind you and there's a hissing creeper in your face) aren't mentioned. Instead of being a stubborn Ox who won't allow any change, go with the friggin flow. Mybabypetghast 00:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * FINALLY! SOME ONE ELSE WHO SPEAKS THE AWESOME THOUGHTS I WANTED TO SPEAK! Caps intended.Ajc 1254 00:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you ajc ^_^! I made a post about my complaints about Ender eyes on the forum. P.S. Who even made this topic? I thought it was you until I made a speech flaming this sections point of view Mybabypetghast 18:20, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Eye color significance
Did Notch ever say that the green eyes were due to them not attacking you? He changed their entire skin, they could easily be the new default color. Even less founded is that they have red eyes when hostile, I can't find him saying that anywhere. -- Mexican 13:16, 6 August 2011 (UTC)


 * He did. Check the Reddit link. Someone suggested it, and he said that he would add it, although it may have been a joke. For some reason it is no longer in our article... - DarkAuk 17:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is not officially announced. Let us never forget lanterns. until we have a viable, less jokey response, we're not counting it officially. --Kizzycocoa 17:05, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No no, see he was saying that they won't attack you with the pumpkin helmet. However, he never mentioned the green eyes, which could simply be part of the new skin. -- Mexican 21:16, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * He never mentioned the eyes changing color, nro did he mention that the pumpkin would protect you. [[Image:TK.gif]]  | TheKax |   Talk   14:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Notch said they would attack when the cross on the screen was no longer over them. With a pumpkin on your head, there is no cross. I can see that being a legit way to not get attacked. With a pumpkin on your head they probably couldn't see your eyes on them, or maybe they would think you're just really stupid and pose no threat. Either way, I think the pumpkin will stop them. Quicken

New disc?
In the picture you see a zombie attacking a skeleton after being shot. And in a strong hold picture a browned dead skeleton is killed by a zombie. Could these be spoilers towards a new disc? Darthzues 04:35, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Good eye, son. This is the kind of people we need to drill Notch questions about.Yours truly, Ajc_1254 12:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Typo
"The Endermen are depicted as 3 meter tall,[3] black creatures with long arms and legs, and a black smoke-like mist around there bodies." 'There' should be 'their'.

Also, how do I get permission to edit pages? —PatPeter 05:38, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's just this page,because a huge edit war was going on between mostly me and Kizzycocoa.Yours truly, Ajc_1254 11:59, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And Ajc, I don't want to be offensive in any way, but please don't continue this on the pumpkin page too... We really don't want every page on this wiki locked up. [[Image:TK.gif]]  | TheKax |   Talk   16:50, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * What about the Pumpkin Page?Yours truly, Ajc_1254 21:18, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Copied from http://www.minecraftwiki.net/index.php?title=Pumpkin&action=history

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--HexZyle 06:19, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't remember that, but ok.From Moi,Ajc_1254! 19:52, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Drops
As discussed here, it's possible the diamond drops Endermen had in the PAX demo was for the demo only, and existed to encourage interaction with them.
 * Very true. Good point, that would help all the negativity towards the endermen. All the silly minecraft fanboys are likely to believe it too :D --HexZyle 02:07, 28 August 2011 (UTC)