Talk:Java Edition 1.17

Lock this page until Minecraft Live is over.
So, since this is a high traffic page, can you lock the page temporarily until the show ends? It's annoying to get edits you spent a long time on to get reverted because someone made an edit a millisecond before you started editing. --DiamondIoanX (talk) 16:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It is over now, how about unlocking it? Unbeatable1001 (talk) 13:40, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Just try your very best to prevent . Blockofnetherite Talk Contributions 17:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * . Now this page is semi-protected. Also, the show is over by now. Blockofnetherite Talk Contributions 18:22, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be a better idea to keep speculation in Caves & Cliffs and show only facts here (bug reports, maybe release date)? We don't know if it is going to be one update or split one, even for Java Edition. --Robotkoer (talk) 19:41, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * In other words, I this revision. --Robotkoer (talk) 19:51, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No speculation, not at all, anywhere.  Nixinova   T   C   20:05, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Gibberish
What on Earth does this mean? 'designed fixed by lighting fire under the pots' 111.88.15.227 18:00, 3 October 2020 (UTC) Someone fix that please. 111.88.15.227 18:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Could be wrong, but I believe it means you "bake" the clay pot to make it keep its pattern. Did not watch though, have just been spamming f5 on the wiki ;) 108.193.129.103 18:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Links to timestamps on the Minecraft Live stream
This is a list of links to the Minecraft Live stream, where some C&C features are shown. WIP


 * 31:28- Name announced.
 * 36:04- Lush Cave Footage
 * 37:58- Concept Art
 * 39:25- Dripleaf Plant Demonstration
 * 40:24 Improved Cave Generation
 * 42:10 Still
 * 42:47 Dripstone Caves
 * 43:33 Concept Art
 * 44:34 Sculk Growths, Sensor (Redstone Component)
 * 45:13 Demonstration, with Wool Occlution.
 * 46:03 Demonstration, for (even more) Wireless Redstone.
 * 47:51 Warden. (And yes, that's 13HP of damage with full Netherite.)
 * For those curious, that thing survived 4 Fully Charged (all crits, ), 3 Partially Charged Bow shots (guesstimate ), 1 70%, 2 10% and 2 100% Netherite Sword swings (guesstimate . This means he has at least
 * 51:15 Concept Art (yes, that's a scared Rabbit.)
 * 54:10 Goats
 * 54:40 Better Mountain Gen

  <\intermission>
 * 1:03:32 Model Mob Vote Mobs. Might be interesting?
 * 1:40:59 Demonstration of BE Scripts, by the method of Tomato.
 * 1:43:51 And now, via the method of PvE
 * 1:45:08 Sorry, your Golden Skull is locked. Try again later.
 * 1:47:07 Via the method of Parkour.


 * 1:55:02 Amethyst Geodes (Confirmed Rare)
 * 1:57:11 Telescope (Needs Crystals)
 * 1:57:47 Copper Ore (in clusters of veins, even!)
 * 1:58:01 Copper Slabs
 * 1:59:54 Copper Patina Timelapse
 * 2:01:13 Lighting Rod (Attracts Lighting)
 * 2:03:04 Bundles (Arbitrary-type, 1 Stack Backpacks)
 * 2:08:01 Archeology (Wait, is that per-layer gravel?)
 * 2:09:46 Clay Pots
 * 2:12:00 Axoloths
 * 2:06:45 In the Workshop. (?)
 * 2:13:44 Concept Art
 * 2:14:08 Mob Mentality
 * 2:15:27 Concept Art: Axoloth and Warden.
 * 2:15:58 Concept Art: Axoloth, Goat and Warden.

Here are some other miscelaneous links of interest.


 * Minecraft Live: The Recap from Minecraft.net
 * Minecraft Live: Vote For the Next Mob from Minecraft.net. Might be useful for guessing some GlowSquid mechanics.

-FavoritoHJS (talk) 18:26, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Confirmed as 1.17?
I watched most of Minecraft Live but I don't remember them confirming that Caves & Cliffs will be 1.17 specifically. It seems like a long time to go with no interim minor update like they usually do.

--Tiffnix (talk) 18:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, well, this can happen. For example, 1.13 was meant to be Technical Update and 1.14 Update Aquatic. And they end up merging. Nobody knew, and one day, they said it is merging and that's it. So, it is yes, unconfirmed, but most of time, next update is annouced at Minecon (Or Minecraft Live nowadays) . --TreeIsLife (talk) 18:48, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it's confirmed to be 1.17. They aren't going to talk about the whole 1.18 update at a 1.17 event. I know the technical update was merged, but that doesn't mean every single update after that will be merged. I do realize they brought up the mountain stuff last year, but that's because that was a vote. And that's also why I said, "The whole 1.18." Jens or Agnes said that whatever wins will be added to the next update (1.17) as well. FrozenDoctor (talk) 12:46, 8 October 2020 (UTC)Connor

Caves & Cliffs has explicitly been confirmed to be the next update, aka 1.17:  Nixinova   T   C   02:49, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Stalactite Typo
I have no idea how to fix the typo, but in the first bullet point it should say new not news Chamylla (talk) 00:34, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Fixed James Haydon (talk) 01:47, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

new ore
in the trivia it says the addition of copper was the first ore added since 2012, but is netherite not an ore? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.212.30.173 (talk) at 21:37, 4 October 2020‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with
 * No, they meant Real World ores, netherite does not exist in the real world. James Haydon (talk) 21:53, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * also netherite comes in debris not ores – Unsigned comment added by 171.79.104.59 (talk) at 05:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC). Sign comments with
 * Ancient Debris is an Ore.--83.142.57.33 16:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Not really, it doesn't look like an ore and it doesn't look to be made of stone or netherrack, therefore I stand correct. James Haydon (talk) 19:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It is an ore according to the 20w06a changelog.Humiebee (talk) 21:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, i am just saying that it doesn't resemble an ore at all. James Haydon (talk) 21:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Warden width
Warden is 1 or less blocks wide, but the page does not have this info. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 73.38.154.42 (talk) at 23:26, 7 October 2020 (UTC). Please sign your posts with

Discuss
At least 2-3 new types of stone blocks have been shown off at Minecon 2020. While for now no official information has been revealed, I believe it is possible to make some educated guesses.


 * The block that people are calling "Dripstone" I believe is actually "Limestone". The Primary reason is that the vast majority of stalactites and stalagmites are formed in limestone caves, The calcium deposits from the limestone is absorbed by water and as it drips down the calcium forms into stalactite/stalagmite. Limestone is usually associated with being a yellowish-brown/beige color, Though its likely for it to also be various shades of gray.


 * The block seen in the deep dark is possibly "Slate". Slate is a dark gray and layered rock primarily used to make shingles on houses. Given this block's dark gray and layered (almost roof-like) texture this is my best bet. Another thing going for it is that the new block is only found in the Deep Dark biome, supposedly the deepest point in the caves now, since slate is a metamorphic rock that is formed deep underground due to intense heat and pressure it would fit.


 * The last block is what is seen around the crystal geodes. Based on it's beige appearance and rough texture it fits the stereotypical limestone, another point for it is that Limestone can create geodes (Geodes are formed in metamorphic or igneous rock). The only issue is that I don't see Mojang implementing two different versions of limestone. Considering basalt and sandstone are already in the game and that limestone fits better for the "Dripstone" block, that leaves the last block surrounding the Geode to be "Shale". Shale comes in a variety of colors, including beige and a dark purplish-gray.

These are just my educated guesses, but I at least believe that "Dripstone" being "Limestone" and the Deep Dark stone being "Slate" are pretty accurate (The stone surrounding the Geodes is up in the air). 72.85.44.150 03:42, 10 October 2020 (UTC) JJ

i'm pretty sure that the "darkstone" is actually called "rubble", or it was just regular stone with weird lighting features.

Geode casing blocks
Apparently someone found a comment from Xilefian on one of Xisumavoid's video linked with a more detailed screenshot og the crystal geode blocks, including the two unknown geode casing blocks. Idk where to use this so I'm making this topic, maybe you can use that for something. --Bryan 00:24, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I got to feeling that mystery block is called Geode Shell, but that's my speculation and nothing to be confirmed unless my guess is correct...which is unlikely.--Charge Minecraft (talk) 23:21, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Remove Parity of waterlogged rails?
From a bug report, there is a secret feature in it, but that image got removed, so... is that possible that it's a bug, or a command, or something... what do you think? --Charge Minecraft (talk) 00:54, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No, it was there, it was during 1.17 development, and the image got uploaded to the wiki; this mention should not be removed. Dhranios (talk) 00:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added an archive and a direct link to the image. They cant hide from us that easily :P  Nixinova   T </b>  C </b></b>  01:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I get that the version in bug report had waterlogged rail in it, but is the wiki allowed to show it..? Seems like it's somewhat like speculation, but idk. Just looking for some clarification. Thx! 108.193.129.103 20:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Technically, It's available in the latest snapshot in 1.17, so it's not caused by anything, it's basically a feature, officially, so this topic is obscure--Charge Minecraft (talk) 21:25, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 21:26, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Remove transclusion?
With the release of 20w45a, there are now development versions for 1.17, so should it become a normal version page with the combination of development version features, or keep the transclusion from Caves & Cliffs? – Unavailablehoax (talk) 22:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * by an awesome lad.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 02:24, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

an awesome lad revamp the entire page, but...
He COMPLETELY removed the entire section of the gallery, note, and trivia!! Can you please fix it, thank you! – Preceding unsigned comment was added by Charge Minecraft (talk • contribs) at 01:10, 8 November 2020 (UTC). Please sign your posts with
 * , the gallery was mostly caves and cliffs but the trivia should stay so i'm going to add it.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 02:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Upgrade from 1.16.x
Is this the right place to discuss migrating to the new 1.17.x release? Is there a plan for upgrading existing worlds from 1.16.x without losing major changes? I imagine preserving changes from earlier versions could be challenging with all the world generation differences. – unsigned comment added by 50.35.184.98 (talk) at 04:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC). Sign comments with
 * Here the thing... 1. No 2. You can update to snapshots and earlier versions anytime! 3. Always! But be careful of it, you need a backup of your world BEFORE you can play in the world. 4. Existing chucks WON'T change based on changing versions, BUT if you want to see new features, like amethyst geodes, you need to go to unloaded chucks. 5. But if you were to upgrade from 1.16 to 1.17, nothing bad going to happen, but make a backup in case of a corrupted world or chucks.

Didn't budding Amethysts become minable with silk touch??
I'm not sure but if iirc they changed it, please make it clear – unsigned comment added by Ankh Tech (talk • contribs) at 10:13, December 8 2020 (UTC). Sign comments with
 * They are only obtainable in Creative so they can't be mined with a pickaxe even with Silk Touch. The Great Spring (talk | contribs) (Tagalog translation) 10:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Goat Spawn Egg
The goat spawn egg texture on this site is outdated.

Old:

New:

Can somebody fix this? Hipposgrumm (talk) 20:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Goats in planned additions
Why is the warden included on this page but not goats. They were both announced to be included and neither have had snapshots. NoNcLaNKing (talk) 18:33, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Deep Dark Related Info
I believe that whoever is working on the deep dark said that there will be chests. The "Underground Cabin" had a chest in it. Tat makes me think that it is a generated structure.

Also, I thing "Dimming of Light" should be called "Ambient Dimming" because it sounds cooler and more technical. Hipposgrumm (talk)

Can we get a separate page for mineral distributions?
I would like to see an independent page created for "Mineral Distributions", and have the content from that section largely moved to the new page.

Alternately, having a separate page, but leaving the current information where it is, would help.

My problem is that I would like to see a chart explaining the densities of the various ores, in comparison to the 1.16 densities. But, that would seem to be too much clutter to add to the existing section. SirDaddicus (talk) 15:45, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Update split
MarioProtIV removed a large portion of text from this page on the justification that it will be sent to the 1.18 article. Perhaps it's just me, but shouldn't we wait on this until we know how the update will be split? Mojang never explicitly said that "part 2" will be called 1.18. It could be a sub-version of 1.17 for all we know. |\| |\/| /\ |)  | Talk | Discord | NMC   15:44, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I suggest we make a page titled "Java Edition Caves & Cliffs Part Two" or something like that, and make a redirect from Java Edition 1.18. TheYouInYouTube  |  '''( talk 15:51, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of C&C Parts 1 & 2 (vs. 1.17 and 1.18) SirDaddicus (talk) 17:32, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Kinda agreed with that idea. Either way, Mario split the article before anyone even brought up the topic... this should be discussed further. |\|  |\/| /\ |)  | Talk | Discord | NMC   15:55, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * A page on whatever the second part of the update will constitute already appears to have been created at the page name Minecraft 1.18. Personally I would rename the aforementioned page to one of the suggestions above, obviously leaving a redirect behind as it would be commonly searched, and also having a redirect to whatever the Minecraft 1.18 is renamed to at Java Edition 1.18. The gamer 987654321 (talk) 16:03, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Please note, Mojang haven't said about version for two part of Caves & Cliffs will be 1.18 or 1.17.1 So wait for Mojang confirmation that two part will be 1.18 or 1.17.1 Glenstevens1231 (talk) 16:02, 14 April 2021 (UTC) I mean given the amount they postponed its virtually impossible they would move to to 1.17.x.. --MarioProtIV (talk) 16:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't feel sonething so big, like increasing height will be in a minor version, that is pretty "absurd". I feel spliting this to 2 pages shouldn't be done yet, so we can prevent people from insering facts (so we can minimize vandalism on the wiki) --TreeIsLife (talk) 16:23, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

The update's being split in two
Probably into 1.18 and 1.17. World gen stuff is coming in december. Other stuff is coming in summer sometime.

Archaeology being delayed beyond 1.18

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YgKUZnUyak Highlandhill (talk) 22:07, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * splitting because they said that they would be 2 separate releasesHumiebeetalk contribs''' 22:09, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * splitting per above. The update has two releases, ergo two pages. TheYouInYouTube  |  '''( talk 22:49, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * per the above, but I'd wait for confirmation that the second wave is called 1.18 before committing to such a change. -- PanchamBro (SansUT1) (talk • contributions) 03:04, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * on the condition that we do not pre-emptively call an article 1.18 until we know whether that is the name of Part 2. Also keep in mind that, unless I am mistaken, we do not yet have a full list of every individual tiny thing that is definitely being taken off Part 1 for now. |\|  |\/| /\ |)  | Talk | Discord | NMC   05:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * provided we get confirmation that Part 2 is called 1.18. ManosSef (talk) 17:41, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * We do know what is in part 1 and 2. The only thing I am unsure about is the command format, I believe part 2 based on the fact that it is more technical.Humiebeetalk contribs 15:57, 15 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, they said "2 releases", but you never know, if they will skip another release (or will it release as 1.17_2). I want more information, and then create articles. Also at this point, 1.18 may also break Style Guide, so we should not make decisions, which can lead to increase of vandalism --TreeIsLife (talk) 07:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I support splitting, but not into 1.17 and 1.18. The other update being 1.18 hasn't been confirmed. I'd support a title like "Caves and Cliffs second release" or something, with a redirect from 1.18. -PancakeIdentity (talk) 08:20, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Caves & Cliffs part 2 is inconsistant with Adventure Update.Humiebeetalk contribs 15:54, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The reason for that is we know Adventure Update Pt. 2 is 1.0.0, we do not know the number for C&C pt.2, so it would be a temporary name until we do. TheYouInYouTube  |  '''( talk 16:10, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , I really think we should hold this off until more info is given, it should not be split, closed, created, etc until more info is said. Note that BE's new terrain gen was added for some reason AFTER 21w15a? There is a chance that BE may be merged, java split.Humiebeetalk contribs 22:26, 15 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Split, it's been confirmed it's 1.17 & 1.18 for both.  Nixinova </b>  T </b>  C </b></b>  00:50, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Has been unconfirmed, annoyingly. Maybe they haven't actually decided yet?  Nixinova </b>  T </b>  C </b></b>  23:38, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Where was it unconfirmed?Humiebeetalk contribs 00:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * "we haven't said anything about whether the second half will be 1.17.5, 1.18, or something else."  Nixinova </b>  T </b>  C </b></b>  05:32, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * And now it's been un-un-confirmed.  Nixinova </b>  T </b>  C </b></b>  05:46, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

 * I reverted 's edit on 1.18 due it is too early to just smash a page there. We typically wait at least 3 days, so everybody has chance to participate and say how he wants to manage this. --TreeIsLife (talk) 07:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I make a discussion at MCW:ADMIN and I have a LOT of questions.Humiebeetalk contribs 15:57, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Henrik
Henrik recently replied to a tweet that asked if bedrock would also be split into 1.17 and 1.18. This confirms its existance I guess.Humiebeetalk contribs 02:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you link the tweet? I can't find it TheYouInYouTube  |  '''( talk 19:34, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Here https://twitter.com/henrikkniberg/status/1383066677512912903 105.186.239.104 19:40, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

What happened to the ore distribution graphs?
The graphs disappeared, probably because they're not accurate anymore. But, I would like to see a similar graph for what is in snapshot 21W15A, if possible. SirDaddicus (talk) 02:11, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Concerning features listed in this article
According to https://mobile.twitter.com/kingbdogz/status/1386776067046785025, the Warden and Deep Dark features as a whole will not be included in Part 1 of Caves & Cliffs. He even replied to someone about the Sculk Sensor and said that it would only be available using Commands in Part 1. These features therefore should not be listed here, but rather in the Java/Bedrock Edition 1.18 pages. Otherwise it inaccurately implies that these features will be included in Part 1. Also something I just noticed, why does the article say "referred to as the "deep dark" temporarily"? We have no evidence that this name is temporary, and given how it is always used and almost always capitalized, it is quite likely that this is the final name.--Ziad El-Moursy (talk) 02:22, 27 April 2021 (UTC)