User talk:Smirkenbowls

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Template:Block
Quatroking, when the Templates for Items, etc were all consolidated into Template:Block, you introduced a categorization error because the Template includes a call to Category:Blocks in the includeitems tag. Items like Torch, etc use the Block template, and thus end up in the category (which has 89 members at the time that I write this. You may want to have a  call instead.  --Orne 18:32, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Quat isn't the one that did that; that would be me. I'll look into this, but your suggestion up top wouldn't work, as there would be too many sub-types people would use.  Instead I'll work on a switch comparing what block type is used.  I've been rather busy in real life as of late, considering my computer's motherboard is fried.— Dæ dαlus Contribs 06:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Nice to meet you!
Quatro, You guys have done an amazing job with this wiki! I help run the gaming network on Wikia - which is some 30M uniques per month strong. I was hoping we could chat about a partnership, or to see if your community would be interested in allowing Wikia to host the wiki (absorb operating costs). Having Wikia host the wiki comes with several benefits - updated MW software, improved functionality, tech support, a gaming network to leverage out in building the best resource for Mine Craft. I would love to hear from you or Aera. You can reach me at Douglas (at) Wikia-inc.com. Cheers!! Xfevinco 18:47, 24 September 2010 (CDT)
 * Thanks for the offer, but one of the first things we all agreed on when starting Minepedia back in August '09 was that we'd never get bought up by a big company and especially Wikia. Sorry, but we're turning down your offer. We prefer to keep indie, just like Minecraft.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 10:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm new here to Minepedia (so please pardon an apparent stranger speaking up), but have dealt with wikia quite a bit on a different gaming wiki (one of their largest). I suggest not taking the decision to move to wikia lightly... you may get their hosting, but wikia comes with a lot of baggage as well (sometimes instrusive ads, global rollout of features you might not want, etc.). Once you go to wikia and that autonomy is lost, there's no going back. They don't really interfere with the day-to-day administration of a wiki, but they do have a lot of rules you have to follow, including some mandatory front page layouts for ads and the like. --Lordebon 03:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

"Updated MW software"? Minepedia is already running MediaWiki 1.16.0, while Wikia runs 1.15.5. Of course Wikia doesn't have to upgrade to 1.16 yet if they're not ready, but it doesn't seem right to claim that as a benefit of moving Wikia when it's not really true. The fact that Minepedia is running 1.16 means that they've already managed to upgrade from a previous version. And Minepedia seems to have a fairly typical setup. If they need support, the MediaWiki community should be able to handle it. LordAndrew 16:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Runecraft information being removed.
There is a large amount on information being constantly removed from the runecraft page by people who want to keep it secret. Since they just keep undoing my undos nothing is being done. Could you please explain to them how this is a database and not a spoiler free guide?

Request for flag
I've been with wikipedia for nearly four years now, I know what I'm doing. I would like the flag that allows me to bypass the forced preview, please.— Dæ dαlus Contribs 02:32, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, if only I could. Seems the nopreview flag somehow disappeared from the user rank management page, probably due to server moves and such. Lemme ask around.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 19:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you.— Dæ dαlus Contribs 21:54, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

This has been bothering me ever since I saw it...
How is this even possible?— Dæ dαlus Contribs 04:07, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Back in august '09, the server had some weird IP issue that made all users 127.0.0.1.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 10:52, 5 November 2010 (CDT)

On another topic..
The edit window that is used in the vector skin is present in the monobook skin, and quite frankly it really pisses me off because of the way it works. Not only does it take longer to load, but when a item is copy-pasted into the window, the cursor is reset to where it use to be, instead of at the end of the text that was pasted in. Is there a chance for an option to restore the old edit window? It is possible at wikipedia.— Dæ dαlus Contribs 04:07, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Missing Unused Mob (Giants)
Under every mob page there is a navigation menu for other mobs. However, there is one Mob that is in the game but is unused, should it be added?--Nicknam4 02:23, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * do NOT miss details. he is talking about giants. while still being there, I believe they are prefixes, and do NOT deserve to be on that list.
 * there. next time Nicknam4, be more straight-up. unless you believe he will see it the same way. in which case, all your arguments are invalid.--Kizzycocoa 02:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I am simply asking him if a missing mob should be added, which is the truth. Whether or not you think Giants are a real mob doesn't really matter at all. --Nicknam4 02:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * the fact is you missed it. end of. I'm tired and you're frustrating me. giants are prefixes in my eyes. quatro, if you think different, I will gladly allow it to be added. but I see them as prefix, as would 99% of the community.--Kizzycocoa 02:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm impressed that you can figure out what an entire community thinks without any data. If you think Giants are prefix mobs, that is ok, but if Giants are prefix mobs, wouldn't zombie pigmen be a prefix mob of pigmen? Anyway, if you feel it is still necessary to debate this topic, it would be best not to clutter Quatro's Talk page. Do so in the topic already made for that argument. --Nicknam4 21:34, 6 November 2010 (CDT)

'''I am thinking Giants are an unused mob and should be added, and Kizzy thinks they shouldn't because they can be considered a prefix mob. That is the bottom line.'''


 * Kizzycocoa, shut the fuck up and quit acting like the fucking retard you are goddamnit. Nicknam4, giants never really got into the game and only featured in a youtube movie of Notch. Hence, I don't really think it deserves its own page (it never made it into the game, we lack information, etc.) but it does deserve a quick mention on the mobs page. I'll add that when I come across it. Kizzycocoa, this is my talk page so when anyone asks me something, just shut the hell up and don't interfere unless you have something useful to add, for a change.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 06:11, 7 November 2010 (CST)
 * I realize this isn't wikipedia, but Kizzy, you really need to learn to be more civil with editors here. Going off on the attack at the get-go gets nothing but a flame war, and all that creates is disruption.  Nick asked a fairly good-faith question, and in return you went on the offensive.  I don't see how you can think that such behavior is acceptable.— Dæ <font color="Blue">dαlus <font color="Green">Contribs 06:49, 8 November 2010 (CST)


 * I was tired. it was 2AM. I was annoyed at another moderator's behavior, and this user has been making semi-bad edits all day, not taking in giants are prefixes. my behavior then was bad, yes. however, I have seen far worse on this wiki, and not just by users. I'd say how I acted, while being a bit off, was not in any way bad. I thought the giant edit was bad, I said that, I explained 3+ times, and when they didn't listen and kept un-doing, I threatened a ban and told them to ask quatro, who I knew would see it the same way.


 * they then proceeded to ask quatro WITHOUT mentioning the subject was giants. I added the (GIANTS) part. he tried to be sneaky, and that -really- pissed me off. it would do so to anyone else who was dealing with him.


 * frankly, while my behavior was off, and I should not behave like that, my actions were civil. I removed the giant section. I replied more times than any sane moderator would. when it didn't sink it, I threatened a ban, and told them to ask quatro. when they tried to sneak it in a generic comment, I make it clearer. sure, I was pissed off, but that short time at 2AM felt like an eternity.


 * at no point did I swear or personally insult him. I used sarcasm and got a bit snarky, but that was the limit. and that will always be the limit for me.


 * I will now however encourage a separate talk section in my talk page. I don't feel it's right to spam this talk page.--Kizzycocoa 07:07, 8 November 2010 (CST)
 * Telling someone their arguments are invalid is not civil.— <font color="Green">Dæ <font color="Blue">dαlus <font color="Green">Contribs 16:21, 8 November 2010 (CST)
 * It's not civil, it's debate. I do think that the selective omission of the topic of giants was an underhanded move, and also that giants are in Minecraft as much as Herobrine is (and we all know how that turned out). Jaeil 23:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey again Quatro, I just wanted to point out that Giants are coded in the game, but the game never spawns them. For instance, if you use NBT edit to edit any mob (Or a mob spawner) and change it to Giant, it will create/spawn giants in the game. It's pretty fun. :) --Nicknam4 16:06, 10 November 2010 (CST)
 * Dude. Let it go. On a lighter note; I find this section hilarious. Especially the part where Daedalus goes off on Kizzy, while the edit before that was Quatroking himself swearing and cursing 'till kingdom come. Please, fella, be a bit more professional. Get into the wiki mind-state, pl0x. --Nao 5.11 16:26, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Favicon
Are you the current site host? I shrank down the top-left logo to make a favicon for this site (discussed in the Community Portal. It has to be uploaded to the site's root directory, or linked to in an important file, so only really high-up admins can do it! JaffaCakeLover 07:46, 14 November 2010 (CST)

I don't know what i would call this
Quatroking, you are a really unprofessional admin, you act really immature, you delete topics that are vital to minecraft lore, and you act rude to your fellow admins, taking there admin rights just because they want a page brought back. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings or say you should give up your head adminess but you really should stop with this. Signed, --Golbolco (don't leave flames unsigned, it ruins the point.)

Remove mandatory preview #2
Hi, I'm Aclectasis, a newish user that has been doing a bit of work around here and intend on doing a lot more in the future. Over the last few weeks I've been dealing with the mandatory preview system on this wiki but once I've started doing mass editing tasks (even small ones) I've found it a colossal hindrance. Yes, I know why it's in place but I've addressed those issues in my summary of why it should be removed here, when I contacted Kizzy because he was the most active sysop on RC in the last few days.

As I said there, I'm hoping you're as open to discussion as I'd like because I think this is a much needed discussion. Most of my relevant points are on the given link.

Kind regards. 08:22, 21 November 2010 (CST)

Herobrine
Quatroking, I understand if you hate Herobrine and the vandalism. But if you can delete the page, why not just lock it? It was voted 5:1 or some ridiculous amount FOR keeping Herobrine. Herobrine is a popular joke/tale in the community.

Please add the Herobrine page back, and lock/protect it. If not, at least please give me a copy of what it was so I can host a copy of it elsewhere.

Thanks. Kris18 14:50, 23 November 2010 (CST)


 * I agree.--SaiyanKirby 21:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC))
 * Correction. 19:2 --Kizzycocoa 21:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Another correction. 20:2 --Kizzycocoa 22:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's any help, I just voted "for" as well and so now it's 20:2. Been watching the Herobrine  discussion for a while now (since before I registered the account), and  feel that there is value in keeping this page on a Wiki site, since this  was an event in the history of MineCraft development that involved many  players and that has gotten Notch's attention a few times.   Skeleton/Silly tag or not, I do think there's a place for this page here.  (also, darn you Kizzycocoa for editing so fast =p)  --meioziz 16:21, 23 November 2010 (CST)
 * I will just re-edit this specific comment for every addition. it is strange. it didn't change much until this week.
 * 21:2--Kizzycocoa 11:07, 26 November 2010 (CST)
 * It is sad that an article this well written and so connected to Minecraft's community has been deleted so unilaterally, because of the outspoken opinion of one person. Any hope we have of creating an autonomous community in Minepedia, alongside the game itself, is going to die if we don't let the wiki and its information flourish with the community. 07:19, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as Herobrine goes... I disagree with reinstating the page. He isn't in the game, he never has been. He might be in the game after a future update, but surely, whenever that happens we can recreate the page at that time? As it stands now, the page is useless; it doesn't pertain to anything concerning the game itself, but rather something someone made up. --Nao 5.11 16:30, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If the page on Herobrine is reinstated then it opens the floodgates for a whole bunch of other pages about "Minecraft lore", such as the life history of the miner, the reason why he's on this world... such articles have already started appearing on the forums, let's not give people an opening to put them here as well. --DannyF1966 15:42, 27 November 2010 (CST)
 * Obviously you think people on the wiki (or the internet in general) have the collective will of a duck, or you wouldn't be so against giving them the democratic options to make those decisions on a case-by-case basis by themselves. If Herobrine was re-added as an article it would have only have been done so on the merit that it was decided by vote of the community (who run this place) that it should. That process would obviously happen to other deletion-worthy articles, if the articles fit within the classification of a deletion-worthy page. You know, like other, well run wikis? 22:13, 28 November 2010 (CST)

Minepedia Translations
Hi! Please, check this topic about Minepedia Translations: Minepedia - The_Minecraft Wiki!:Community portal


 * Hello Quatroking. I would like to ask you some question. I would like to translate the minepedia pages into dutch, so I can make topics in the dutch wiki, but then they are not connected to their english version. So how should i transate the pages? Will you help me with my question please. --Tomato 12:16, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you mean having the Languages sidebar link to articles on the english/german wiki? Thats easy, just add something like blocks at the end of an article, where you replace blocks with the name of the article. For example, if I were to make an article called "carrot" on the english wiki, I would put wortel at the end of the article.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 13:54, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay thank you very mutch. Now I can start translating into Dutch. And I hope the Dutch side op the wiki will be active soon, so dutch players can get info in their own language. --Tomato 11:54, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * An update about my translation work: I just have connected al the existing Dutch pages to their foreign languages. But I now see there as one fake page in Dutch: Gebruiker:Kizzycocoa/Herobrine ( I don't understand any word of waht he is saying) and Air_(lucht) has to change in "Lucht" as title. Also I have a question about the templates availeble in Dutch. How do I use them or do I have to make them first? --Tomato 12:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You can just copy the templates' source over. As for the articles, please use localized titles. For example, on the german awiki we have a lot of blocks called differently from the english wiki.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 17:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe talk further on my Talk Page. There I will reguraly place an update about the pages I've translated. Okay? I ask my questions also overthere if that's okay for you? --Tomato 18:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Vanity articles.
I thought vanity articles were against the rules.
 * they are. user: prefix articles however are not.--Kizzycocoa 22:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I was refering to this.
 * http://www.minecraftwiki.net/index.php?title=Quatroking&oldid=11567
 * Look at the date of that revision, it's old. It redirects to User:Quatroking now. Even that's probably not necessary. at 18:37, 28 November 2010 (CST)

ru.minecraftwiki.net
Hello, i'm creator of Minecraft Overlay Encyclopaedia Kubik, i would like to open russian division of Minecraft wiki. Is it possible?

The main page table error
It appears that way because there is an error in the table coding. I could probably fix it, so give me a few.— <font color="Green">Dæ <font color="Blue">dαlus <font color="Green">Contribs 14:35, 20 December 2010 (CST)
 * What error are you referring to?--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 14:59, 20 December 2010 (CST)
 * I'll upload two examples since you apparently aren't seeing what I am.— <font color="Green">Dæ <font color="Blue">dαlus <font color="Green">Contribs 17:25, 21 December 2010 (CST)
 * Brokenmainpage.PNGNotbrokenmainpageproposal.PNG
 * Here they are. You will notice that the general sidebar and upper userbar text is smaller than it should be, and there is a large margin between the sidebar and the article's tabs.  This is because of faulty table/div coding.— <font color="Green">Dæ <font color="Blue">dαlus <font color="Green">Contribs 18:21, 21 December 2010 (CST)

Page deletion
Should Server hosts be deleted? Is it useful if other hosts are added to the table or is it just blatant adverstising? Metalhannes 01:59, 21 December 2010 (CST)

Nvm kizzycocoa took care of it. Metalhannes 03:17, 21 December 2010 (CST)

Adminitis
Your immediate block of Deathgleaner was completely uncalled for. he made a weak joke. That's it. Not vandalism. Don't be evil. Read this, take a break, think, stop being evil.  --JohnnyMadhouse 00:57, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * His behaviour was completely uncalled for. If it were any other userpage or article, I'd just block him as well. And in fact, yes, it is vandalism. His block will be lifted in a week or so, this has nothing to do with power abuse.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 19:15, 27 December 2010 (CST)
 * I think you're assuming bad intentions where none existed! I think it's far more likely that Deathgleaner saw some math, got impressed by it being over his head, and added a joking note to that effect. In my job as a high school biology teacher, I deal with young people all the time who joke in the same manner. The minecraft community as a whole is pretty young. Young people are impulsive and haven't learned to control the urge to make crappy jokes all that well yet. If you really believed this was vandalism, you'd maintain the block. Lessening the block to only a week says to me that you agree that you may have overreacted, but you're trying to save face. Saving face is a silly thing to be concerned about on a wiki. Just unban the guy. It's completely okay to make mistakes once in a while. --JohnnyMadhouse 19:27, 27 December 2010 (CST)
 * Oh, don't get me wrong, 50K days is obviously way too long and I just felt like making a point at the time (You reminded me to actually set the block back to a week). We usually deal out blocks of a week for these kind of annoyances, though we used to only deal out permanent blocks in the past. Not blocking the person at all only leads to more vandalism, blocking the person is more of a simple warning. People should learn that this kind of behaviour is bad and simply not accepted. As a teacher, you should understand that you can't just have a student yell "dicks" throughout the entire class without taking action.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 01:36, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * JohnnyMadhouse, what you have to ask yourself is: "Is contributing to the wiki worth all the effort and hassle in the first place?" Because I'm starting to think that while this wiki continues to be administered by a bunch of teenagers who have the diplomatic nuance of a creeper, it'll continue to be a place of petty bitching and fan-boyism (cake, anyone?) --DannyF1966 01:40, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As a teacher, I understand that a student shouting 'dicks' should be told to shout 'penis' instead, because we are in biology class. Then they should write an essay about why euphemisms aren't permitted in science, because it could make an excellent learning oppourtunity and it would force them to use words they are uncomfortable with while still showing that I am in control and a pretty okay guy. At least, that's a successful strategy I have used in the past. All that aside, Deathgleaner wasn't exactly making the Minewiki equivalent of shouting 'dicks' at all! He made one inappropriate comment, not a whole string of them. Administration isn't about making people follow rules. It's about making people want to follow rules.
 * Danny, I understand what you are saying. Looking in the history of articles here is incredibly revealing. The admins have been running a Good Old Boys Club which serves as a perfect example of how people with very little power act when they think they have power. They're young. They'll learn, or they will fail in the real world. This is a good place for them to perhaps learn some lessons in how to not be evil before they discover they are unable to hold down jobs while calling coworkers or volunteers idiots and assuming they are all criminals. --JohnnyMadhouse 01:57, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Copyrights
What copyrights have Minecraft wiki? My problem is I'm making my own another language version and I want to include some of graphics and text that I will translate. Is that unacceptable or I just need to write source below. Signed:Kretu

Scary 'warning' message
I notice you edited the Tectonicus page and slapped a huge, ugly warning message on it. I'd suggest that not only is it unnessesary but it's also very scare-mongering and likely to drive away users. It seems particularly unfair given that other 3rd party programs like Cartograph, OpenCraft, McMyAdmin, Multicraft and many others don't contain this.

Could you remove it please? Alternatively, could we have some consistancy and have *every* 3rd party tool labeled in the same way (even though I think it's unnessesary). And if it has to stay, can it be toned down so that it's not going to scare away users? (A more neutral colour and a more helpful message would help). Orangy Tang 10:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks.
 * The disclaimer will stay, but we're happy to look into suggestions of making it less scary. We're enforcing this disclaimer on 3rd part software/mods because we don't want to be held responsible for any possible results of use, you see. Its kind of like a legal thing and insurance so we won't get hundreds of hatemail because some guy's savegame got borked.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 01:53, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * How about a little consistency then? I'm feeling unfairly targeted considering all the other 3rd party software (incomplete list above) doesn't have the same disclaimer. From a user's point of view that makes it looks like there's something specifically wrong with Tectonicus.


 * To make it less scary, the most obvious (and easy) change would be the colour. Something neutral like light blue would work, or the background colour used for 'contents' boxes. Orangy Tang 10:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, we're still busy adding the disclaimer to third party articles and a lot of them aren't categorized, making it a rather slow process. I'll try something out with the colors.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 11:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * In my opinion it looks just fine as it is now, if it was the same color as all the other templates people would have less chance of reading it. If I had to suggest a change it would be to add "use at your own risk" at the end of the notice, but other than that it looks fine. Jax-Kenobi 15:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Blatant Rule Violations
Hello! I'm new to this wiki, and was wondering what this place was like. After reading over the rules, I came across this page, and found something rather disconcerting!

"Kizzycocoa, shut the fuck up and quit acting like the fucking retard you are goddamnit. ... Kizzycocoa, this is my talk page so when anyone asks me something, just shut the hell up and don't interfere unless you have something useful to add, for a change." Whoa! That language is way out of line, Mister or Missus! I'm afraid I'm going to have to cite rule number five, which clearly states, "Personal insults are NOT allowed." After looking around for a bit to see what else you've done to this wiki, it seems that you've been behaving like this for a long time now, and have been quite an active part of the community! Perhaps too active! I'm afraid that I'm going to have to notify a moderator or administrator of your behavior, and actions will be taken from there to determine what will happen to your account. In the future, I hope you'll remember to be an example of what a longstanding member of this community should be to others, not someone who goes out of their way to curse and swear at other users, directly insults them, spams and vandalizes users' articles and pages, makes hypocritical decisions regarding users' articles and pages that favors only those whose opinions and views match up with your own, and other such immature behavior. Remember: we're here to help one another, not to behave like children throwing temper tantrums over nothing! Aulous 21:09, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol. Afaik, he's *the* admin around here, bcrat and all. Only WebTM does any other promoting/demoting, and that's rare. And really, your tone comes across as rather condescending, so that's some marks against it. As to the actual complaint, it seems valid (actual personal attack) and that's a bad example, but part of Quatro's statement, the "don't answer for me on my own talk page" is also valid. --JonTheMon 21:29, 12 January 2011 (UTC)