Talk:Herobrine

Herobrine stream information! / Video editor needed!
Just to inform watchers/editors of this page, I am currently in talks with Copeland, the person who started the original Herobrine stream that propelled Herobrine into popularity. I'm getting a new wealth of knowledge from my talking, and shall be wikifying it ASAP. Some of this data has already been wikified, which you can currently peruse. I have asked him several questions the wiki likely wants to know. Why, how, who knew, did you expect it to blow up, what happened after etc. etc. He has also put himself forward to do the voice-section of the Herobrine video I've tried to get set up, much like Curse's own videos. This is a great turn of events! We just need a video editor to squash all of this together, so if anyone wants to volunteer, please do message!! --Kizzycocoa 00:57, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Are you still doing the video. If so I would be happy to help. Send it to nandmcunningham@hotmail.com and I'll see what I can do. Alisdair555. --115.124.7.212 03:41, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Video
I would like to work on a video like Curse did with minecraft tutorials for minecraft, but i would do it for Herobrine. I would probably have around 10-20 episodes going over the origins, and canon information, as well as stuff hinted at by the staff of Mojang. If anyone wants to help, they should PM my planetminecraft account, www.planetminecraft.com/member/conflicttftw I will also be going over the 'fan-fiction' side of things for the last few episodes, including a quick look at herobrine server plugins, and MODs done by fans. Again, if anybody wants to help (build a set/review area, help record, video editing, etc) just PM my PMC. THX, bye :D

10.50.19.1 16:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC)conflicttFTW

Herobrine Pronunciation (Help needed!)
Kizzycocoa, for the American pronunciation, I don't think people pronounce it the "brine" as the "brin" in Sergey Brin. Most people pronounce it as "heerobrine" (brine rhymes with fine). Could you change that please? Thanks --M0rphzone(talk) 02:29, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * see, I'm unsure there. Most of my American friends said it as such. Tell me, these friends/you, did you formulate your pronounciation after, or before we put it on the wiki page? Because before, all the American youtubers, my American friends, and even outsiders I had spoke to ho were American generally used that pronunciation, prior to us setting the Swedish/mojang/stream's standard as canonically correct.
 * I shall change it, implying a culture difference, but I will want some form of study done. Such as asking random friends in your countries what they'd say, and making a statement such as "generally, Americans pronounce it like this". --Kizzycocoa 02:37, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I have escalated this to a study, just so we can be sure.
 * I strongly recommend all participants find non-minecrafters, and ask them, so to keep the study free of any existing bias. --Kizzycocoa 02:49, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * {| style="background: #FFF; margin:2px; border: 1px solid silver; text-align: center;"

! Version !! USA !! Canada !! UK !! Europe !! Other
 * Herro-Brin || 1 || ? || 1 || ? || ?
 * Hiro-Bryne || 2 || 1 || 4 || 1 || ?
 * Other || 1 || ? || ? || ? || ?
 * Herobrine(as it sounds) || ? || ? || ? || ? || 1
 * }
 * I have contacted most of my English friends who don't play MC, including my entire family. They all say "bryne". A common reason was because a brine is a salt water thing. Perhaps this is the lead factor? --Kizzycocoa 02:40, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * When I first saw that name, the pronunciation I ended up with before reading or knowing anything was herro brin (think of Korean stereotypes with speech and second syllable rhymes with chin).  03:42, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That is the incorrect version, whch we're attempting to trace. Where are you, location wise? Please add yourself to our chart if you can!
 * I myself saw it as bryne. as I first-hand went through the Herobrine process live, I know I saw the image before the stream, thus mine wasn't affected. if anyone thinks it unfair, do a -1 on the UK hiro-bryne count. --Kizzycocoa 22:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added myself to the Herro-Brin tally. My brother and I have always pronounced it that way and, while I can't put any names to this, am sure i've heard other use this pronunciation too. --GhostOfRattman 02:55, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This is very likely. all major fansongs use the brin version, which prompted the wiki to find the bryne version as canonical, due to mojang and brocraft use. The question now is, how did users come up with the brin version? Brine is already known to be a salt water compound, but where has brin come from?--Kizzycocoa 03:00, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That is the incorrect version, whch we're attempting to trace. Where are you, location wise? Please add yourself to our chart if you can!
 * I myself saw it as bryne. as I first-hand went through the Herobrine process live, I know I saw the image before the stream, thus mine wasn't affected. if anyone thinks it unfair, do a -1 on the UK hiro-bryne count. --Kizzycocoa 22:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added myself to the Herro-Brin tally. My brother and I have always pronounced it that way and, while I can't put any names to this, am sure i've heard other use this pronunciation too. --GhostOfRattman 02:55, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This is very likely. all major fansongs use the brin version, which prompted the wiki to find the bryne version as canonical, due to mojang and brocraft use. The question now is, how did users come up with the brin version? Brine is already known to be a salt water compound, but where has brin come from?--Kizzycocoa 03:00, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

I used to pronuce it Herro-Brin like in this song of Herobrine [] but now I pronuce it Hiro-Bryne plus that song is good! :) Megatron James 16:49, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That song has a very country/western sound to it. Perhaps that is (one of) the dialect(s) that tends to use "brin" instead of "brine"?  I definitely say "brine" and live near Washington DC. As for songs in general, there are often liberties taken to make them sound the way the singer wants them to sound (especially when a rhyme is required).  --Xhandel 16:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello! I saw Help needed about pronouncing Herobrine's name and thought I'd add my bit. I'm American and I say it the supposedly European way, "Hero + brine". All the players I know (also Americans) also say it this way. I'm from the West Coast, so there may be regional differences within the US. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.181.89.90 (Talk) 07:14, 19 January 2013‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with

Yeah, Kizzycocoa, it's pronounced "Hare", "Oh", "Brine".173.150.175.56 06:20, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I just noticed your reply, Kizzycocoa. Seeing as Herobrine is the brain child of some random person who made a "creepy pasta" image, I don't believe there is a correct, or incorrect, way to pronounce it. It is also unlikely anyone can trace down the creator of the image, considering irrefutable evidence they created it isn't exactly possible. Herobrine should be considered similar to an equivocal word, like bass, coop, or close, even though there are possibly more than two pronunciations throughout the community, like herro-bryne, hiro-bryne, herro-brin, hiro-brin, etc., and they all mean the same thing.  01:13, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * There isn't a real "correct" way, as Herobrine isn't a real word. but, Canonically, there is a "real" way, which Copeland stated on the stream. Therefore, as the earliest reference to him audibly, we must assume it is pronounced that way. Unless the creator of the image comes forward to state otherwise.
 * RE the american-europe thing, it does indeed seem that people are reporting widespread adoption of "hiro-bryne". It is odd. what factor is the cause of the pronunciation split, I am unsure. perhaps we at the wiki are responsible for the sway of results, but I do not know, for sure.
 * I will reword that section. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 18:32, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

I am an American, and all of my friends in the states pronounce it "Hero Brine." Specifically I'm from the mid-west for anyone interested in dialects. I think most Americans would pronounce it that way, because it really is just a compound word. "Hero" is a word that everyone pronounces the same (I would assume so) and "brine" is also a word (for those of you who don't know, it means salty). So its just Hero+Brine. What do you guys think about this? Is it a compound word? Gmarcott42 01:19, 6 February 2013 (UTC)Gmarcott42

I have always said herobrine as 'hErObrIne' I don't know if this helps, but its always been how me and my friends in Central america have said it. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 10.250.80.93 (Talk) 16:33, 11 February 2013‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with

i am an american. "hero brine" is the common, and correct, pronunciation among americans. "hero brin" is a mistake which we can attribute to a poor understanding of english pronunciation rules. the letter 'e' at the end of the word brine forces the 'i' to be a long vowel (tried and bite are two examples of words with a 'long i' sound). in the absence of that 'e', the 'i' would be a short vowel and "hero brin" would be the correct pronunciation (bit and fit are two examples of words with the 'short i' sound). the "hero brin" pronunciation is simply an error made by people who might need more time in an english class, not a cultural or linguistic difference between americans and europeans. hope this clears things up. 192.12.88.134 18:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)edf


 * First of all, you didn't capitalize the word "I," along with many other words that should be capitalized, which breaks multiple universal laws of English, so you're one to talk. I believe my pronunciation of the word varies, as with others, because we may have picked up our pronunciation of the word from various foreign or local people through YouTube who pronounce it differently. And of course accents, it may be correct for you in Florida, but in Alaska, the superior-est of all states ;P. You got the rule wrong, too Mr. You all need more time in English class. It isn't 'e' at the end of a word, it's the vowel-consonant-vowel pattern that forces the long 'i.' Finally, to quote the Great omnipotent and all-knowing Simon Lane, "We're English. We pronounce words right. We invented the f---ing language!"


 * P.S. It's also a name, which the rules of the English language don't apply to. And, the most important rule in the English language is that there is an exception to every rule (the exception to that rule being the rule itself.)

173.187.97.19 16:45, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * To be brutally honest, I find your explanation of "'hero brin' is pronounced by [idiots]" to be insulting.  18:59, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, english is not a phonetically-spelled language, so this 'rule' is not always correct. Counterexamples include alkaline, analine, determine, epinephrine, famine, genuine, illumine, and masculine. -- Orthotope 04:19, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * your brutal honesty is appreciated, but i didn't call anyone an idiot. english is a phonetic language, it just has lots of exceptions because its development was heavily influenced by the languages of foreign invaders. the examples you listed are well established exceptions that have been in english vocubulary for many years. exceptional pronunciation may become standardized, but when a new word enters the vocabulary it is typical to pronounce it according to that language's rules. hope that helps. 192.12.88.133 15:42, 14 February 2013 (UTC)edf
 * It is not "idiots" who say it. a selection of the community do. Please note, every Herobrine song is "brin", as is most references in high-profile videos. Yet, we all go for "bryne". this is the strange paradox that I'm confused over. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 20:15, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That's probably the best way to phrase who pronounces it what way. Rather than saying "Americans say X and Europeans say Y", why not just say something like "Many (most?) people say X while others say Y"?  Or "The canon (or most common) pronunciation is X but some say Y"?  It is even possible that there are multiple official ways to pronounce it (like tomato, or even Han (like ban or fawn?) and Leia (like lay-a or lee-a?) which are pronounced at least two different ways within the original Star Wars trilogy movies). --Xhandel 16:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I know this doesn't help your cause, but I'm pretty sure Han is like fawn and Leia is like lay-a

I'm American, yet I pronounce his name Hero Brine. -CoalSponge 15:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I, along with everyone else I know and play minecraft with (as well as a few unassociated(with minecraft) friends who I asked after reading the wiki. So as to avoid potential 'bias'), pronounce it as hero brine, the proper way. I don't know where this 'hero brin' version came from, and I was shocked to read that Americans were branded as saying Hero Brin, and Europeans creditted with saying Hero Brine. I think that is wrong outright and should be changed, as I am quite certain the majority of American players would say Brine. The only time I have ever heard Hero Brin before today was in a yogscast music video, and then today in the other video that is linked to above. But then, I am not an avid youtuber so I can't say much on that front. In any case, I think the wording on the page should be rethought, as based on this comment andthe above comments it is not correct. -71.193.92.121 05:50, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not actually that shocking. American-English is notorious for keeping e's silent and lazifying words. Colour has a u in it in English, but American-English removes it. This is but one example.
 * Not to mention, being English myself, knowing no-one to have said brin ever, and knowing Notch says it as brine, I assumed it was another strange product of the American effect on the English language, --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 12:06, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

When I first read Herobrine, I pronounced it "heero" as in superhero and "brin". I never even gave it a second thought, it just seemed like how it would be pronounced. I'm American, and everybody I know pronounces it like that as well, although that's not a huge sample since I don't spend my time talking to everybody I know about Herobrine. I think it's just going to be one of those things like "data", "tomato", and "potato". It really seems like a waste of time and energy for people to make a big deal about it.50.143.104.45 04:37, 29 April 2013 (UTC) --115.124.7.212 03:48, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

The American pronunciation is just wrong, it is the exact same as the European. Because your "friends" (are you kidding?) are poor at spoken English does not excuse it, there is no version of America where the correct pronunciation is "hiro bryne". Further the way an acquaintance of friend pronounces it has no bearing whatsoever. It is plain as the day is long "Hero Brine". Honestly this is the kinda stuff that leads to people completely discounting the information here. At the very least you need to source outlandish and largely spurious claims like this. The majority of Americans believe "for all intensive purposes" is a legitimate cliche, its just a non-nonsensical egg corn in point of fact. --71.231.121.79 23:24, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


 * "Herobrine" is a proper noun and therefore is not required to abide by any pronunciation rules. The creator of something has the power to name it any way they want, but since the creator of Herobrine is unknown, this makes the pronunciation up for debate. What you have said is not debate material. No one is wrong in any pronunciation, even though it feels right to fall back on common language rules associated with spelling, which makes "Hair-o brine(whine)" the closest "correct" way. I personally prefer "Hair-o brin" since that's what I came to when I first read the name, and I am allowed to do that. We could also go into the whole .gif thing too. Besides, the English language sucks anyways. I'm sure you've heard of the word ghoti, which is pronounced "fish" if one were to follow certain English pronunciation rules.  04:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

- Herobrine Video info-
- Click on URL to see a Video of him. - <Video deleted>
 * This is not going on the page. at all. Herobrine is not real, and that video would severely contrast with this fact. This wiki is ten times the resource than that video.
 * Furthermore, if you want to share your video playlists, do not do so on the wiki. we are a wiki. not a forum. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 22:26, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

"Current stance on Herobrine" logical fallacy.
A quote was posted under the stated section by the joint developer stating,"We have no plans at all to add herobrine. I doubt this will ever change.", yet the section states that the quote *confirms* Herobrine will never see an official release. That should be changed so as not to draw conclusions and prevent bias. 184.57.161.27 08:17, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not see how this is a logical fallacy. herobrine is not in minecraft, and will never see an official release. this is true. He does, however, have a mod release. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 21:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe you miss the point. The support this article gives for Herobrine never seeing an official release only says they "doubt" they will change their minds on the topic of Herobrine, yet they've repeatedly changed their minds in the past. One cannot base a factual statement on a doubt expressed by the developers. Therefore, I suggest one changes the section to say something along the lines of, "This confirms that at this point, the developers have no intention of adding Herobrine," instead of using the word "never" for something that cannot be proven as fact. 184.57.161.27 03:17, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * They have only changed their mind once, actually. Regardless, I do believe most of Mojang do not want him in-game, but do like him as a concept. I expect the act of refusing to make him go in-game, while removing him every update, is merely to antagonise this subject further. There is no doubt in my mind that Herobrine will never see an official release. can it be proven? no. Is it the likely outcome? yes.
 * The reason it sounds so final, is to attempt to curb Herospam. It is to tell users that he will never be in, so they aren't so gullible to the rumours. If I put "likely", users could use that to say "!OMG HE'S IN EVERYONE!!!!!", leading to masses of Herospam from users who've never seen him, but want to be the "cool" crowd who have, who are in turn, also lying.
 * The never stops that scenario from occurring in the future. In the event of his EXCEEDINGLY UNLIKELY addition, we will happily rephrase it. until then, that never is the difference between gullibility and sanity. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 16:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Original troll video
Has anyone recorded the troll video of Herobrine that was on Brocast? If so plz upload to Youtube and give me the Url on my user talk page thank you! Megatron James 21:31, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I have gone to nearly everyone involvedin that stream in a hunt for this video. I have had no success. But if someone does have a recording, the wiki would very much like to obtain it. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 21:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Kizzycocoa have ever seen the Brocraft stream because I am doing research on Herobrine my self but some times I do it at night on sometimes I freak out because no lights are on and my bro has 2 flashlights and shines it in my room and creeps me out Megatron James 16:43, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I have. I wish I could transfer those memories to screen, but I can't. so most of this page relies on my memory, which can be faulty at times.
 * For example, I thought the jumbled message in the "Him.html" was hidden in the source code and had a black background. I was wrong.
 * Non-the-less, he is not real. at all. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 16:47, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I belive you that he's fake but I have some part in me that belives in him and I have seen him before without mods but I must be going crazy but I saw the user Herobrine on a server once but after that encounter on Multiplayer I havent seen him since. But my friends and I are looking for who the User Herobrine is and then figure out if is in Minecdraft and how to get rid of Him. For good. Megatron James 16:57, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh! apparently some people were recording there xboxs with an iPod and they saw Herobrine so checked out all of these peoples videos and they didnt have a edititng software so maybe Herobrine is In the Xbox edition but not in Pc????????? Megatron James 17:18, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * In this video it was tooken in Beta 1.7.3 for X box and an invisble thing was attacking this person and placing blocks or is this a bug [] Megatron James 17:28, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Let us think this over for a second.
 * is this the work of an ominous mythical game-haunting entity, who's sole goal is to somehow troll you in particular, because you're just that special that he hates you.
 * or is it a bug.
 * I'll let that question sink in. feel free to post what is the rational answer :T
 * As for the PC multiplayer sightings, bots. bots or MP mods. both are possible, even in vanilla. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 17:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Could it be...No. Megatron James 17:57, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I am Searching for Herobrine on Pocket edition I will add abnormal pictures If I find any occurences
 * Megatron James 18:37, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No. Stop right there. All searching is pointless, and the wiki will not support a search, as it will end fruitlessly. Hell, the code itself has no Herobrine code.
 * any pictures uploaded will be deleted. And if you come back saying you saw him, I shall do as the header says. A temp block for exciting Herobrine spam. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 18:49, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * All right but I need all the info I can get of Herobrine so anyone out there put real info (not stories) of Herobrine on my YouTube or my Talk page. Megatron James 19:00, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * There are no real info, as he is not in MC. Your request will only attract spam and stories. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 19:21, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I just want to know more for gods sake I'm ten years old! Should I make a video on YouTube asking for any part of the Brocast streaming? Megatron James 20:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure! the wiki desperately wants to get some form of archive footage. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 22:25, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * All right I'll make ASAP Megatron James 15:40, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Nobody has commented about it I need people to like my video so others can see it and the troll we know will be put to justice! Megatron James 17:48, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Herobrine user's skin
Hello, I have a little something to contribute here. A while back I was toying with Single Player commands, and put on the skin of the Herobrine user. He was a premium user, and he had the Herobrine skin on. Likely to use in a hoax or pranking. I can assume that if this is what the account was made for, then it is still so, but I think it would be worth noting his skin if it is still the Herobrine skin. And I could confirm that he wore no capes. Coryn02 01:21, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * We have already gone over this. It's in the trivia. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 01:31, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah, okay, then. Coryn02 02:05, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

A simple dot
Hello!

In the "changelogs" section, the 1.4.2 "reason" needs a dot between "community" and "Only":

No reasons for the entry/Toying with the community. Only noted on the Tumblr version of the changelog, viewed through the launcher.

That's all. Thanks! Kingpowl~  es.Wiki Admin  (talk) 14:44, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Curious about Him
Herobrine has always intrigued me. I've always wanted to believe in him, even though the logical parts of my brain know He isn't real. I also wonder why He got so popular. What exactly was it that made Him so widely known? the Brocast stream? The story itself? I really wish that people wouldn't make fake video's about Him, because I want to know the truth. All of it. And to be honest, I would love it if Herobrine was real.
 * it mostly propelled with the stream, as video is more tangible than a still image. We at the wiki have strived to cover all relevant topics on this page with complete clarity. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 18:16, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

May take years to ever get a copy of that stream from brocast/craft. It may take years... 74.73.15.166 23:09, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * We have tried to obtain this video, but we fear it fruitless. Even the streamer doesn't have the video. We're assuming it lost for good, unless any user was clever enough to record/save the video. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 23:12, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

You know, Kizzycocoa, they could just make it again with the same painting, except no one would believe you the 2nd time around anyway. Stop worrying and get back to Minecraft! And if you have any sightings, then post them, please! Otherwise, just enjoy the indie gem that's Minecraft!

I made a video trying to get any recorded part of the stream...but I have no luck :( Megatron James 17:50, 29 January 2013 (UTC) 173.150.175.56 06:31, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

isn,t there a adventure map called herobrines mansion.

Cake Easter Egg
There is Herobrine on a birthday cake cover.

I may have missed something about Minecraft, but what? Ps: Sign your posts. Jorgeturc 12:53, 2 February 2013 (UTC)Jorgeturc

Why the name "Herobrine"?
I've read the original story a couple times, and even though I know it is probably fake, I still wonder, why the name Herobrine? I mean, if it is totally fake (which it most likely is) why would he have chosen the name Herobrine, why not Steven, or Michael, or something else. If that was purely made up, why Herobrine? Does that mean something special in another language? Or is it just a made up name for no reason. My brother and I were talking about various Minecraft subjects last night, and the subject Herobrine came up. I showed him the original creepy-pasta story, and him and I talked about it for almost an hour. He was saying that if it was made up he was using something my brother likes to call a third degree lie. He said the first degree is telling someone some made up facts to make them believe it. The second degree is knowing that they will believe the opposite so they say what they think will be true. The third degree is what he used when he said redstone torches, because if he said regular torches then people would just think "Oh, those are just from an abandoned mine shaft or one of you old torches"

Anyways if you guys know why he might be called that, or if you guys have ever just wondered any of the same things as my brother and I.

50.93.126.239 16:40, 2 February 2013 (UTC) I don't actually have a user name, but I do have a lot of thoughts on this subject.

I suspect the name was chosen at random, but I fail to see how choice of name would affect the credibility (or utter lack thereof) of the original creepypasta. Cobalt32 15:20, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

The name comes from a glitch in the original coding for dispensers. When you got killed by one, the message: "(player) was shot by Herobrine" appeared in the chat window. 69.49.44.167 19:24, 5 February 2013 (UTC)kikass
 * apparently, that was a bukkit addition. therefore, we removed that. our apologies. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 19:26, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Specifically, it was added by Dinnerbone in this commit to CraftBukkit. Note that this was about five months before Mojang hired the Bukkit team, so it can't be considered anything other than a fan-made reference. -- Orthotope 07:54, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Anaka9 22:40, 9 February 2013 (UTC) Anaka9 6:35, 7 Febuary 2013 The message"(player) was shot by Herobrine" WAS just a joke from Notch, that must have scared everyone, so that is why it was removed.


 * If you actually read the comment above the one you just made, it was not added by Notch, not even by anyone in Mojang at the time.  22:42, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Is a factual video possible?
I checked out the guides that the link leaded to about the video discussion. The problem is, since Herobrine is not real, how the heck are we supposed to make an informative video about him? I never saw the original stream and the things in here show what the stream was about. Are we supposed to do videos on the story or on how he'd act if he existed? If it's the second reason, then I'd need the mod to do this. 174.114.8.167 18:37, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

The basic method would be to talk about things such as facts, quotes from MC employees, change log sightings, and where he originated from,etc. Since this is an on-going meme, some things could cause spam on the talk page. One would be careful with wording. Jorgeturc 17:02, 10 February 2013 (UTC)Jorgeturc

/v/ydia (mispelling)
In the section concerning where the herobrine creepypasta was originally posted, the editor wrote that it first appeared on /v/ydia. 4chan's /v/ board is called "/v/idya" (the I and Y are transposed). Regardless, wouldn't it be a better decision to use the full term "4chan's /v/ board", rather than simply /v/idya, consitering that not everyone who plays minecraft is familiar with 4chan's boards/terminology.

208.54.38.130 11:12, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Herobrine mods/plugins/maps?
I think there should be a section at the bottom of this wiki, or somewhere in it, that has some mods and plugins that mention herobrine. it would be cool for people wanting to set up an HB survival server to have a quick link to plugins for that. plus, mods ARE canon information, just not written as a story, more as a gaming aspect. I believe that a description of Herobrine's powers in the herobrine mod is just as important as his supposed powers he has in creepy-pastas.

10.250.80.93 17:19, 13 February 2013 (UTC)Detherak


 * Mods and plugins are not canonical. The only two sources we accept as canon, as explained in the article and in the big notice at the top of this talk page, is the first image and the BroCast stream. Everything else after that is strictly community, and we do not document the community. You're free to list/update Herobrine mods in the appropriate Mods section though, as long as the mod doesn't contribute to griefing, like the popular single player mod.  18:57, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Updates
The Wiki claims Herobrine has NEVER been in Minecraft, but when I scrolled down the old updates in the Minecraft Launcher, it said this(skip to the bottom):

Why is "Removed Herobrine" there? If you want proof, open the Launcher and scroll down yourself--Otepralloma5 04:41, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

I saw that update to and i dont know why that is there but in the 1.5 update the -Removed Herobrine update is there too go check --enderman482026 1:45, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

It's a cover for removing the "Monster" mob that had a steve skin.

It's a joke by the Mojang team. - Jigsaw79

96.27.166.102 16:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Read the Changelogs section of the article.  04:43, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

File:Rm_herobrine.png "- Removed Herobrine" –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Death Roe (Talk&#124;Contribs) 16:57, 3 April 2013 (UTC). Please sign your posts with

Persson or person?
Is Herobrine a "persson" or a person? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 174.30.97.154 (Talk) 17:32, 20 February 2013‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * In the original creepypasta image story, Herobrine is the dead brother of Markus "Notch" Persson. Persson is his supposed last name.  07:52, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Being Factual
I noticed that the wiki says, and I quote,"Herobrine is not in Minecraft. There are no references to him at all in the source code, and there is no code to allow for any entity to act like Herobrine. There is no level terrain code to generate redstone torches, 2x2 tunnels or elaborate dungeons with traps. There is no possible way Herobrine can ever exist in any unmodded clients or servers. Any claims that he is in Minecraft are completely false. Any appearances he may have are caused by mods being installed. The Minecraft Wiki and Forums do not partake in any viral Herobrine hoax. Any deletion of herobrine-related comments or stories are purely because Herobrine doesn't exist, and the stories are either fictional, with an intent to mislead others, or the result of users playing mods installed on their game without their knowledge."

I realized, that this is completely opinionated, and that there has never been any proof of herobrine existing or not existing. I suggest the pages says this is unknown, beacause it is not known whether herobrine exists. I'm not saying he does, but in order to be factual I suggest you state that herobrine's existence is unknown. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Flameoguy (Talk&#124;Contribs) 02:20, 21 February 2013‎ (UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * I fail to see how any of that is opinion-driven.


 * he is not in Minecraft. This is fact.
 * there is no code for him. This is fact.
 * therefore, he can only exist in modded clients, or in servers. This is fact.
 * we do not indulge in the viral promotion of this character. We merely attempt to document and archive Herobrine. This is fact.


 * once again, where is the opinion? --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 02:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I would also like to point out that we are documenting and archiving Herobrine only on this article and only because Mojang has acknowledged the existence of such a popular community icon born out of an anonymous mind and made viral by a popular stream. Any other mention of Herobrine anywhere else in this wiki, other than the occasional official troll entry in Mojang's official changelogs, is completely unwanted.  07:52, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * This is the exact reason, but there is a little more. this page is to educate future users about what Herobrine is, and what the whole situation is about.
 * ANYONE that spams this page or others are frankly doing a disservice to Herobrine. every herobrine story section/spam attack shows why the admins were reluctant to add this page. thankfully, this page's addition has lessened nearly of all of this spam on all other pages, and localised it to this one page and it's talk page.
 * if you like Herobrine, post your stories to tumblr, twitter or a roleplay forum for Minecraft. but posting it here or on the forums is damaging the very character you're telling stories about.--<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 19:42, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

"There are no references to him at all in the source code, and there is no code to allow for any entity to act like Herobrine. There is no level terrain code to generate redstone torches, 2x2 tunnels or elaborate dungeons with traps. "

technically, there ARE those new desert and jungle temples, but i get what your saying :P 10.250.80.93 16:42, 4 March 2013 (UTC)Detherak

"he is not in Minecraft. This is fact."

And how would you know? Just because he's not in the code and Mojang stated he doesn't exist doesn't mean he's fake. He's implied to be a regular player that can get on single-player worlds, so yeah... -Fred071202 70.117.157.41 03:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * To "Detherak": Those temples are unrelated. In fact, everything in Minecraft is unrelated to Herobrine. Nothing is intended to hint at him.
 * To "Fred071202": He is fake, so any implication is wrong. Someone does own the username "Herobrine" though. It is just a normal account, nothing special.  05:29, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I know. I'm not sure why I made it sound like he's real. I was mostly messing around, but for some reason I made it look like I was being serious. Sorry about that. -Fred071202 70.117.157.41 00:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I've been looking at the quotes, and you know who hasn't said anything yet? Jeb! If Herobrine doesn't exist (I'm not saying he does), then why hasn't Jeb said anything yet? He could add encrypted coding for him that you need special programs to see (Possible), or the coding for him could be on minecraft.net, and is transmitted to you through the website while you are playing(Also Possible). I'm neutral about the Herobrine situation, but I'm just saying that some people may need to rethink about there being no coding for him.75.138.37.159 03:40, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Jeb probably doesn't feel the need to respond to stupid rumors that other Mojangstas have repeatedly stated are false. Encrypting Java code beyond the obfuscation it already has would be difficult to impossible; at the very least, the existence of encrypted code would be impossible to hide, and there isn't any. There also isn't any code capable of loading additional code from minecraft.net or anywhere else. People need to accept that Herobrine is a hoax, and nothing more. -- Orthotope talk 20:08, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

herobrine shrine
i know why herobrine isnt real but why and how did people find out about the "herobrine shrine"? and ive been hearing stange noises like every 5 seconds, can anyone tell me why its happening? and why is music disc "13" so creepy, like it was MADE for him. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Herotime (Talk&#124;Contribs) 20:18, 22 February 2013 (UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * 1:mod
 * 2:ambient cave sounds
 * 3:unrelated easter egg C418 made --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 20:22, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Notch on Herobrine
This never got posted on the page so lets try once more

"Time for this again: herobrine isn't real, no idea when the update is, we can't change usernames, and my favorite pony is rainbow dash."

--007a83 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 22:58, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I think we can forgo every tweet notch writes reaffirming the non-existence of Herobrine. There is more than enough stating he does not exist. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 01:08, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * -_-  <The wiki is looking for more responses. Please post any reaction to the talk page>   --007a83 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 22:53, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. responses on the Herobrine character. not if he does or doesn't exist. we still have less than half of the Mojang team state their opinion. I assumed that, from the positioning of that text, no-one would get confused.
 * regardless, we have more than enough on the page stating that Herobrine is a work of fiction. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 23:12, 16 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I suggest changing "<The wiki is looking for more responses. Please post any reaction to the talk page>" to "Note: is looking for more responses from Mojangsters that have not already been quoted. Please post links to these on the talk page." including the italics. "talk page" is bold because it's a link to here.   00:03, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * ^^ --007a83 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 21:36, 18 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Notch posted on Twitter about Herobrine about a day ago: "Sorry, I meant no, haha. I misread your question. Herobrine has never existed."
 * 50.89.231.151 12:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

1.5pre changelog
Hi! I just wanted to say that the "Herobrine Removed" changelog entry made its first Appearence in a snapshot's changelog. Admin plz change the part where it says "Herobrine was not mentioned in any snapshot/prerelease changelogs" 75.17.234.30 21:07, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Also, on Beta 1.8, it had a purpose as they removed the human mob model. Eeddgg 23:59, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Edition
The Bubble Messages on XBOX 360 version says "We think 4J Studios has removed Herobrine from the game, but we did not know for sure." Support Lord Herobrine or DIE! Notch is awesome, too. 00:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I got a shot of this file with my iPhone, it's not great but you can't do xbox screen shots while the game is loading. File:Xbox_Herobrine_splash.jpeg Brian –Preceding unsigned comment was added by BEM73 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 01:14, 23 March 2013 (UTC). Please sign your posts with

Changelogs
The 1.8 beta change log appearance was due to removing the human mob model. See Human for more info on it. Eeddgg 19:37, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Herobrine Statue from Minecon
I own the statue shown in the Minecon Xbox display image. I have loaded an image of it here: File:Herobrine_statue.jpg. The statues shown in the image (including Herobrine) were given away by Microsoft near the end of Minecon. I received this by answering the question "How many Fable games are there?" with the answer of 3 (the pub games did not count for this question). Small fact, the statue is larger than the widest FedEx box and required custom boxing to be shipped from Vegas. Zaralith 04:30, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Herobrine textures
Check on your .minecraft folder then go to texture pack cache go to 146tp and go to mobs and there it is herobrine –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.178.67.138 (Talk) 05:04, 30 March 2013 (UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * You visited a server that supplied a custom texture pack. Not in vanilla Minecraft, ever. -- Orthotope 07:26, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Disclaimer
It says "Do not posts stories." It should say "Do not post stories." hotdogPi--t--c--QUIZ! 00:09, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * 00:31, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Too Biased
I don't believe in him myself, but I personally think the page is way too biased (at least under "Is Herobrine in Minecraft?") The page should be an unbiased source of information. I'll admit I may just be reading it as if it's biased and I'm projecting the biasedness onto it, but I feel like it is. An example is that the first sentence says "Herobrine is not in Minecraft. It should say that it is highly unlikely he is in Minecraft, because not experiencing something doesn't mean it does not exist. Allow me to repeat that I DO NOT BELIEVE IN HIM (that much.) It is possible to implement him remotely, I would presume (by making the code connect to a remote extension that contains Herobrine's coding.) Basically, the page may need to cut back on saying every single Herobrine statement ever made is completely false, and the guy had his game unwilling modded, or he's a liar. 66.58.179.219 01:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The point is to clearly say he does not exist, and never has. If the section were phrased as" mostlikley" that leaves the possibility. If so, then you have just fed them into beliving that he may have / Is existent. There also is no way to get remote information from a server as there is no code in the game that will crawl sites for such other than minecraft assets such as jars and Ogg files. Extreme 01:17, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


 * There are already several topics about this on this talk page. There is no bias. Your last sentence is very correct. Your post is essentially breaking rule #1 of this page, but since your tone is wiki-neutral-based, I kept it and replied instead.  01:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

There's probably over 30,000 minecraft modders, many mangle every single bit of code they can find, yet none of them found the bit of code that imports the Herobrine script. Cant see that happening. Why does the community not accept that Herobrine does not exist... --81.2.86.252 20:42, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Error in "Current Stance on Herobrine"
'''"This confirms that Herobrine will never see an official release in Minecraft, and that any claims of "finding" Herobrine in vanilla Minecraft in future updates are completely unfounded." ''' This is more or less completely false. The statement says that they have no current plans to add him. That does not, in any meaning of any word in any dialect or language or mistranslation, mean that they never will add him. Fix please. 66.58.179.219 01:37, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Like your topic above, this is also discussed earlier in this page. I'll quote the last response to that topic if you don't feel like scrolling up:
 * Basically, if we say never, it helps stop what we call "herospam" which is anything related to the opposite of "herobrine doesn't exist". Back before this article was created, this wiki suffered from constant herospam. When the admins of the time finally decided to allow this article in order to document this community phenomenon, the herospam literally stopped overnight, including on the forums. Granted, it originally kept going on this talk page and on the article before it became permanently protected, but it satisfied the masses. The article's wording will not be changed, unless, as Kizzycocoa said, Mojang does change their minds.  01:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Basically, if we say never, it helps stop what we call "herospam" which is anything related to the opposite of "herobrine doesn't exist". Back before this article was created, this wiki suffered from constant herospam. When the admins of the time finally decided to allow this article in order to document this community phenomenon, the herospam literally stopped overnight, including on the forums. Granted, it originally kept going on this talk page and on the article before it became permanently protected, but it satisfied the masses. The article's wording will not be changed, unless, as Kizzycocoa said, Mojang does change their minds.  01:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Editing the "Orgins and Popularity" section
In the said section it says the following:

"From the original creepy-pasta, Herobrine creates random constructions, such as pyramids and long 2-block-high tunnels. He also burns down, or cuts off leaves from trees, and creates cobblestone-complexes underground, much like dungeons, lit with redstone torches."

I have some change ideas for this area

-Clarification on the "pyramids"
 * They are said to be "Small, perfect pyramids made of sand in the middle of the ocean"

-On the "Two by one tunnels"
 * They are claimed to go infinitely. Also redstone torches are placed on the front of the tunnel, but down the tunnel it is completely dark.

-On the "cobblestone complexes"
 * They are said to have mosstone, too. Also remove the "-" between cobblestone and complexes.

That's all.

Mavik 21:18, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Per rule#4 of this talk page, requests to change anything mentioned in the image or as part of the original stream events cannot be honored, but thank you for pointing out that part of the article. I have removed the cobblestone complexes and tree burning, since neither were mentioned in the image.  05:33, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Mavik 14:36, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Mentioning Curse's policies in the article.
In the section that says that Herobrine is not in Minecraft, it also seems to say, "The Minecraft Wiki and Forums do not partake in any viral Herobrine hoax. Any deletion of Herobrine-related comments or stories are purely because Herobrine does not exist, and the stories are either fictional, with an intent to mislead others, or the result of users playing mods installed on their game without their knowledge." This is stating a guideline. Although it does not say in the rules that this should not be, it is stating something related to Curse, it's straying from the topic and it is not encyclopedic. Rather it should be changed to something general, such as "Due to this myth being viral, many communities do not partake in the Herobrine hoax and would normally delete 'sightings' of Herobrine (including Curse)." It would be better since it generalizes and does not speak individually. 173.206.145.217 22:40, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


 * This section is to enforce that any reverts of Herobrine comments are due to them being spam, and NOT that "Herobrine did it", as mentioned in the Herobrine image. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 19:25, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, this article is technically a meta subject and is really the only article that speaks of the community. It doesn't exactly follow common encyclopedic practices and is here to inform the community of the source of Herobrine, since many people hear of him the same way he became infamous, word of mouth. The meta feel of the article, as Kizzycocoa explained, is to deter uninformed or, for lack of a better term, ignorant players that removal of Herobrine-related posts are not supernatural occurrences. Even though other communities may practice the same guidelines of removing such content, the statement is only relevant to this wiki and the Minecraft Forums due to the size and status of these sites.  20:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

fr translation
When i saw that there was no french Herobrine page, I nearly had an aneerism. I have made A (very) breif summary of Herobrine in french. It isn't much, but it is a start.

Dans le jour video Mine Craft, il parait que Herobrine est le frere mort de Markus Persson, le createur de Mine Craft, hante le jour. Herobrine peux posses des animaux, teleport, construire et détruire des bloc et tuer des joueur. Le Communite de Mine Craft créer ability plus. Le original histoire est considerer canonical.

Robstar14... anything but! 13:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Herobrine  16:42, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Slenderman based
Correct me if im wrong, but how can he be based off of slenderman when his fisrt sighting was in Alpha and Slender wasnt created by then Robecuba 21:43, 14 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Slender Man (two words) was created on June 10, 2009 at 1:07pm. The Alpha version displayed in the Herobrine image, 1.0.16_02, was most likely made up for the purpose of this image, since there is no record of that version existing according to Notch's tumblr, or it did exist but he never posted about it. The "real" versions before and after this version, 1.0.16_01 and Seecret Friday 8 (1.0.17) were released on August 12 and August 20 (respectively) in 2010, more than a year after Slender Man was created.  04:56, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

The title of this section says slendermam 70.254.194.201 06:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Why... do you care? I'll fix it anyway... --71.118.222.30 01:51, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

herobrine
so do you have any idea when you are adding herobrin?Mrvenegas 21:48, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * There are several references noted in the article that state they will not add him.  22:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Remaking editcopy page
I think we should recreate the edit copy page. and put a note on the talk page to suggest edits there.--007a83 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 22:22, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't see any benefit in having an editcopy page; suggesting changes here has worked perfectly well. Looking at old revisions of Herobrine/editcopy, it was a major vandalism target before it was deleted, and there is no reason it will be less of a target now. -- Orthotope talk 07:23, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

What the...
Why did you delete my post? -Fred071202 70.117.152.25 01:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Read the big, bold rules at the top of the page. --Extreme 01:27, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't realize it disobeyed #3. I won't do it again. -Fred071202 70.117.152.25 01:39, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Um.. I'm stuck
I'm not saying he ever was but if he was never in the game how was he removed? FRANKIEFUR 16:47, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * All the "Herobrine removed" changelog entries are jokes, but sometimes part of an actual change, like removing all the code belonging to the human mobs. Read Herobrine.  21:31, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

For the record
Even tho you guys don't won't tweets from people who have already reacted to herobrine. I am going to post it here for the record.  --007a83 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 18:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

the herobrine account theory
do you know that guy who made a herobrine account on MC? it was probably someone at mojang as another joke –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.100.68.163 (talk)&#32;18:38, 20 June 2013‎(UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * I believe it was an alt account of one of the original creators of Herobrine, either the Livestream hosts or the guy(s) who made the original image. 210.1.204.127 20:45, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

what's with the first rule?
its as if the first rule has something hidden behind it, i may be young, but not dumb. i don't know about this but i will. but that first rule has got me thinking. Kyle Livingstone –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.131.129.134 (talk)&#32;19:39, 24 June 2013(UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * There's nothing behind it. It's a simple rule.  04:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Forum link broken
I was on the Herobrine page and clicked on the only link in "See also". It was supposed to take me to Minecraft Forums first thread on Herobrine, but instead it took me to a page saying "403 NOT FOUND; You do not have permission to view this page)"(I don't even think there's such a thing as "403"!!). I've been on that URL and it worked perfectly fine until now! Tell me if this happens to you. BryceDestroyer03 23:39, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The thread has been deleted for quite some time now. I put a working archive link in.  03:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

HeroBrine is he real or not

there have been many sightings of HeroBrine but are they true is Herobrine really Notch's dead brother or is it all a lie.

Why delete our Herobrine topics?(Small Rant)
If we swear that we saw Herobrine,why call it a hoax? A lot of people are not lying!I had once saw Herobrine on a mountain when I was farming wool.But that doesn't mean that it's true.It wouldn't mean that it was a fictional experience. All that I'm trying to say is,if us Minecraft players have all seen him,that wouldn't be fair if they know that they saw HIM.If they saw the underwater sand pyramids.If they saw the 2x2 tunnels.If they had seen a lot of tree trunks that had no leaves. Please believe us,Mojang!We know what we're talking about!We know what we saw!We know we aren't crazy! Please help us,so many peopled think that he's really scary,and I've watched sighting videos on how he just pops up and people scream about it! Please don't let us down.