Talk:Twisting Vines

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Twisting vines do not seem to drop their block when broken 100% of the time. Video evidence can be found here. I'm not sure if this is a bug or not.

Xx ultimate (talk) 14:29, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Merge

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * There was a clear consensus to not merge becuase there were not enough similarities. The similarities presented were non-exclusive similarities.Humiebeetalk contribs 23:31, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

I think we should merge this page with weeping vines.Minecraftexpert123 (talk) 21:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree--Brenty333 (talk) 20:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)Brenty333
 * . They generate and grow very differently, and very very different appearances. There's also no existing common name; "nether vines" is made up by us. I'm not sure how I feel about having the page title be a term never used in game. -PancakeIdentity (talk) 21:16, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * . They grow the same way, one just goes up, while the other goes down. As for the title, Mob head was a page for ages (IDs and names never mentioned "Mob"), and nobody was bothered by that either. Dhranios (talk) (Join the wiki videos project!) 21:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * . That is true and I think that nether vines has a nice ring to it. I know a few youtubers who use this term sometimes.--Brenty333 (talk) 21:26, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * per . These pages were separate for a while mainly due to being created in different times, 20w06a vs 20w11a. We do not need to merge these pages because they are very different from each other. I generally oppose merges as I have with Glow Ink Sac and agree with splits like Commands, especially when they have enough differences, as it may be confusing for a reader. Best not to call it "Nether Vines" when it isn't even an official term. Also, "a few youtubers" using the term nether vines is not a good reason for things like merging pages, as we prefer official names and reject redirects like "Butter" to gold. Blockofnetherite Talk Contributions 21:32, 17 February 2021 (UTC) Okay, butter was recreated as a redirect to Tutorials/Game terms but still got repeatedly deleted when it redirected to gold.Blockofnetherite Talk Contributions 21:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Switched to after rethinking this and looking at the article again to see the very few similarities and many differences. Blockofnetherite Talk Contributions 21:39, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and we moved it from that title partly because it wasn't an official name. Also, I think growth direction is an important difference. -PancakeIdentity (talk) 21:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * They only share like 2 things in common. I can name like 10 pairs of pages that share 2 things in common that are split. You can reply to this comment if you want to knowHumiebee (talk) 21:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * per Humiebee. Twisting and crimson vines share more than just two things. First, they both originate from the nether. Second, they both grow to an age of 25 or until they hit into a block. Third, they both have a 50% chance to raise a composter by one level. Fourth, both can be climbed. Fifth, they both can be created by bonemealing their type of nylium.--Brenty333 (talk) 22:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * . Did you know that if you search up nether vines on bing, this pops up?--Brenty333 (talk) 22:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably because of the merge template, as search engines read that as part of the article, or because the article uses the words "vines" and "nether" enough that they would put it there. Still a bad idea to merge two in-game name articles (which have enough differences) to an unofficial term because of their small amount of similarities. Blockofnetherite Talk Contributions 00:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think you mean with, not  per humiebee. The latter signifies that you have this opinion becuase of that person. As for your response, they both originate from the nether is not a valid statement as the nether has so many block. Thats like saying Dark Oak Leaves and Grimstone share 1 thing in common, they generate in the overworld. As for being climbed, there is also ladders, vines, and scaffolding. I only see a few things in which they exclusively share. Not the composter, not the location, not the climablility. Also "until they hit into a block" applies to sugarcane, cactus, etc. The only things they exclusively share is their growth to a common age and their name. Vines are not created by bonemealing nylium either, they come from nether fungus.Humiebee (talk) 21:51, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: Here is why exclusively sharing is important. Take cobble stone and andesite. Their non-exclusive similarities are


 * 1) They spawn underground.
 * 2) They are both gray.
 * 3) They both need a pickaxe to mine it.
 * 4) They have the same hardness value.
 * 5) They have the same blast resistance.
 * You see the problem? Name any 2 blocks remotely close to each other and you can name like 5+ similarities. Another example is shroomlight and glowstone.


 * 1) They both emit a light level of 15.
 * 2) They both spawn in the Nether.
 * 3) They both are yellow-whiteish.
 * 4) They both do not spawn on the surface.
 * 5) They both are always exposed to air.
 * The similarities have to be exclusive to each other to be relevant. Otherwise it should not be merged.Humiebee (talk) 22:00, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The biggest problem with merging is the number of differences. We didn't split Sandstone to allow Red Sandstone to have its own page because they are both decoration blocks. Twisting vines and weeping vines have far more uses, so the Sandstone logic doesn't apply here. The greatest issue with merging is how many differences these blocks have. Because they grow in different directions, are exact opposites (warped vs. crimson, up growing vs. down growing), having one page describe both is confusing for a reader (Things being confusing for a reader is why I want Commands split because the editions commands are actually far different from each other), which is the greatest problem. I looked at the articles. First is the Natural generation section, then the usage section between Usage and Climbing are different, to the history. All to be combined to a page with an unofficial name. Blockofnetherite Talk Contributions 00:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd actually want to merge all three vine types, on the basis that all three are climbable blocks that can be harvested and placed on a block (respectively on the side, top, or bottom) to grow. All of them can also be grown by the player, by spawning their host (jungle giants, warped nylium, crimson tree) or by using bonemeal on an existing vine.  Ladder and scaffolding differ in being crafted rather than grown.  --MentalMouse42 (talk) 00:53, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , normal vines can't be harvested without shears no matter what. Vines also grow on the side of a block/air unlike others which grow on the center. Vines are even more different than the "nether vines".Humiebee (talk) 02:02, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * per Humiebee. TheGreatSpring (talk) 00:57, 20 February 2021 (UTC)