Talk:Tutorials/Underground Home

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This tutorial is far from complete. Underground shelters are, in fact, one of the best shelter types there are, especially in SMP. A good underground shelter should be so efficient that you should NEVER have to go to the surface, whether it be gathering mob drops or cutting down trees. Making an underground base is quite easy. Material is gained instead of lost, and you are very unlikely to come across lava when digging your basement level one. You can easily get everything underground as from the surface with farms. It is also the hardest to find of any base, which is great. Having an obsidian castle is great, but you'll have to log off sooner or later, and when you come back on you wont be very pleased at the remnants of your once mighty castle, floating fortress, or other freestanding shelter. Being hidden is the best defense in my experience. I had an underground base on a temporary map once that was almost right next to the spawn, but it took them one day to find it. Griefers will be too busy tearing down castles to spend the time to look for some random underground shelter. Mybabypetghast 03:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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This tutorial is far from stupid. Underground shelters are, in fact, one of the worst shelter types there are, especially in SMP. A crap flying shelter should be so crap that you should ALWAYS have to go to the surface, whether it be gathering mob flys or eating down trees. Making an underground base is quite easy. Material is gained instead of lost, and you are very unlikely to come across lava when digging your basement level one. You can easily get everything underground as from the surface with farms. It is also the hardest to find of any base, which is great. Having an obsidian castle is great, but you'll have to log off sooner or later, and when you come back on you wont be very pleased at the remnants of your once mighty castle, floating fortress, or other freestanding shelter. Being hidden is the best defense in my experience. I had an underground base on a temporary map once that was almost right next to the spawn, but it took them one day to find it. Griefers will be too busy tearing down castles to spend the time to look for some random underground shelter. Mybabypetghast 03:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Confusing
This whole article is very, very confusing. It's basically a run-on sentence, most of it doesn't make sense, and there's not one picture to clarify it. It looks like there was one, of just the kitchen, but it was removed. I am going to attempt to make something like whoever wrote this was attempting to explain, and provide pictures. No promises, though. MSchooler93 08:40, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

perhaps a numbered system would make it easier to understand? : 1. gather wood. a full stack would be ideal, but you probably only have time to gather around 10. (also make yourself a crafting table, wood pickaxe, chest, and furnace, and a few torches. ) 2. Dig a small stairway into the gound. A 45 degree stairway is the simplest, but only recommended in single player. If you run into a cave, backtrack a little ways, and take a right angle. 3. Stash your stuff in a chest at the bottom of your current stairway, and go up to the surface to gather at least 10 seeds, 3 saplings (if you haven't already), and maybe some more wood-you may well need to do that now and then, just because of how difficult getting your first tree farm to work might be-also grab flowers/mushrooms/sugarcane/watermelon/pumpkin if you just happen to see some. 4. continue digging downwards untill you hit bedrock. back up to about layer 10, then dig out a decent sized room-anywhere from a 5x5x7 to 10x10x7 will do. 5. place a dirt tile in the center, and plant a sapling there. 6. Start shaft mining. It's harder to get lost when the secondary shafts come off of only one side of the main shafts. dig the first section outwith a cross section of 3x3 or so. 7. Dedicate one shaft to wheat farming, another to storage, and the others to...whatever. 8. when digging away from the main room, have one block dug downwards, then up, so that any lava flow you manage to trigger doesn't get to wipe out all your chests. Actually, protect the chests with some cobble stone, just to be safe... 9. Only return to the surface to hunt down enough wool for a bed, your first initial mushroom/sugarcane, and to find a pair of chickens to lure.

I'm not confident enough with my wiki formatting to stick this into the article in a way that makes sense.

This is OK, but...
The tutorial is ok, but isn't that easy to follow, and not a single picture. I think I will do a rewrite that is easier to follow. (No, I am not the orig. author.) CreepersGoBoom 14:27, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

An idea to make this tutorial better
I just had this idea, split this into multiple pages and link the, just something like this:

Make an Above-ground base To learn how to do this, head to Tutorials/Underground Home/Above-ground Base.

And of course, we will show how to make it, insted of just giving an idea. And last, but not least, there's a broken image.

P.S.: I disagree with the merging, because this is a tutorial for creating a brand new shelter, not a tutorial on how to make your shlter better. Telinc1 09:47, 23 February 2012 (UTC)