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To everyone wishing to be an admin on the wikis ~ Please Read We are currently looking for active administrators for the Spanish Wiki ONLY. This doesn't mean you can't help any of the other language wikis. Please register an account on the appropriate wiki, and contribute. Get familiar with the Wiki rules and take a look at The Administrator's Guide. If you are fluent in Spanish, and wish to be considered for promotion, please leave me a note here. Do NOT post your email addresses, as all communication will be done on the wiki. Any registered user can help with the translations! Thanks! ~Wyn

Chinese Subdomain
Hi, Wynthyst: We(the Chinese tranlsation project team) have already created all the pages exisiting on the Chinese Wiki, and I've translated the main page of Chinese wiki. Can we just have the subdomain now? About the CH wiki admin nominee issue, I think we'll sort it out somehow after we have the Subdomain. Thank you for your consideration. Craft Lawrence 15:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I will submit the request. It will take up to 2 weeks. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:45, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Mini-footer
Hey Wynthyst, just a couple of notes about the mini-footer just below the content area (the "This page was last modified on..." one): First, I think the Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported link should point to a page with further information on the license or a copy of that license's text (and the link text should probably also specify that it's a Creative Commons license); and second, there should really be some sort of visual separator between the links, so that they don't appear to all be one long link (playing around with it some, I think having the Privacy policy, About, and Disclaimers links on their own line, with a middot ("·") between them, looks pretty good, but that's just me ;) ). Cheers! =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I will take a look at the css and see if those links can be changed. As for populating them, we are working on it on a network basis for standardization. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  17:19, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool beans, thanks for your attention. =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:20, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Application for Dutch wiki admin
Hello Wynthyst!

When I saw there was a Dutch wiki I registered myself and began editing on the pages at the Dutch wiki. But to be honest, the current wiki's state's quite a mess (although some templates are quite impressive). And I'm willing to help the wiki to a higher level.

Currently, I've translated a small number of articles and I'm still not done fixing the spelling and grammar errors and such of the rest of the pages. Besides that, I've decided to do a complete retranslation of the existing pages and a clean up of the whole wiki. But I don't have access to edit some templates (mainly "sjabloon:vertaal"/"sjabloon:vertaal_woord"), delete useless pages, move categories, etc. I've already contacted one of the admins there, but to constantly ask an admin for doing many tasks can be quite frustrating for both me and the admin (and not to forget, time consuming).

I've basic knowledge of wiki editing and managing as I've my own private wiki which I use for saving things which I easily forget. Besides that, I'm a quick learner and the wiki language is not that complicated.

So now the question you probably already know by now. As I've already said, I'm willing to help the wiki to a higher level, but to manage it in a better way I have to have more privileges. So I want to apply for admin on the Dutch wiki.

If I need to add some other (may be required) information, well... I'm Dutch, 19 years old and quite a perfectionist if it comes to spelling and grammar. I can communicate in English fairly well. And... just ask me if you've any questions.

--Archomeda 22:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Seeing as you just started yesterday, I'd like to give it just a bit more time to evaluate your skills before providing you with admin access. Let's say... a week? there are plenty of things to do on the Dutch wiki that don't require admin access that can keep you busy for a week. If you need anything from an admin both STS and Quatroking are there to help. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  00:05, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, I've no problem with that. I'll wait for a week. In that time I'll do things I'm already doing. See you then! --Archomeda 11:41, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd be more than happy to accept the promotion! Thanks! :D I was busy for a few days... reinstalling my pc... it didn't work out that well, heh :\ -- Archomeda (talk) 14:55, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Some problems
Hi Wynthyst!

I'd like to ask you some questions regarding the Hungarian wiki.

Firstly, do the Hungarian interwiki links have to be manually inserted into every English article? I heard there is a bot for it on Wikipedia (yes, Wikipedia again. But this time they have a good stand.) that is registered in every Wiki and if someone creates a new article and has interwiki links at the end, the bot updates each of the other language pages with the newly created page's link. I wonder if it could be done here too.

Secondly; the crafting animations are not working on the Hungarian wiki. Only the animations, not the still pictures. (See Barkácsolás.) Could you or some technical agent Curse member admin stuff possibly look into it; check the codes and stuff? (Note: I actually modified the hu:Sablon:Grid/Crafting Table code when I decided to rename the Grid:Stuff pictures to Rács:Stuff (Grid in Hungarian), but then I wrote Grid back.)

Thanks, Tun  Sha HUN(talk/ contribs) 12:56, 13 August 2011 (UTC) But about the interwiki links..I read that Scaler has a bot to do that on the directors' page. Could you tell him to register that bot on the huwiki? Because I guess there are less than 5 pages where the English page has a Hungarian interwiki link on the sidebar. Tun Sha HUN(talk/ contribs) 21:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think they are working on a bot for the interwiki links, see the Director's page. The problem with the crafting grid has to do with the javascript on MediaWiki:Common.js page. I copied it all over, but I'm not sure why it's not working cuz I'm not that great with javascript. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The JQuery scripts doesn't seem to be installed on the hu wiki. – Scaler (t) 19:22, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * All fixed now:D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:47, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys, the animations are working just fine.
 * Why don't you ask him yourself on the Director's page? You are a Director you know:D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  21:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Minecraft Job Posting
Hello,

I work for WonderHowTo.com, and we're currently looking to hire a Minecraft community admin/writer. You can view the ad here: http://blog.wonderhowto.com/blog/were-hiring-wonderhowto-seeks-minecraft-community-admin-0129391/

I initially contacted Quatroking, who directed me to you. Is it kosher to post this on Minecraft Wiki?

Thank you,

Rachel
 * Hi Rachel, as I indicated on Quatroking's page, posting this stuff on either our forum or wiki is against Curse's policy. I would recommend the IRC for recruitment, since that is not a Curse property. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  22:27, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your help!

Brazilian Subdomain
Hi Wynthyst, I finished translating all the red links in the brazilian main page. Can we have the subdomain now? Please, br.minecraftwiki.com. And the admins I think it's me, VictorWentz and TheArvie. Can you put that all in? Thank you.


 * I think the subdomain should probably be "pt-br", to conform with the ISO 639 standard (though I don't know how much Curse cares about that)... 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:28, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes and that's what it will be. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  21:30, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for intervening, but the main page redlinks were only resolved, not translated. See Texture Packs/ptbr, Mods/ptbr, Server/ptbr, Custom servers/ptbr, Programs and Editors/ptbr, redstone circuits/ptbr, Development Resources/ptbr, Gameplay/ptbr, Classic/ptbr and I'm sure there are a few more. Of course I don't object if there are a few untranslated links on the main page, but having a blank page with a PTBR-translation template in it and claiming it translated doesn't mean it is translated. But of course Wyntyhst will have to judge. Tun  Sha HUN(talk/ contribs) 15:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The same could be said of almost every translation project we have going. There is no harm in completing the translation on the subdomain. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  06:40, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

But can't we do it on the subdomain?

Kaelten
Who is Kaelten? Is he a curse staff? If he is then why doesn't he appear as a curse staff?

http://zh.minecraftwiki.net/index.php?title=Special%3A%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E6%9D%83%E9%99%90&user=Kaelten

Edenapple
 * Yes, he's Curse staff, I just forgot to change his permissions. He's the lead of our tech team... if the wiki breaks he's the one that will fix it. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:02, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Minecraft/Proposal
What is the purpose of the Minecraft/Proposal page? It seems like it was an old proposal to redo the Minecraft page, but it would in that case now be rendered obsolete. Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 18:29, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * So tag it for deletion as unnecessary :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:33, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Waaay ahead of you. :T I just wanted to make sure that that was the actual purpose of the page, and figured you would know because you edited it.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 18:35, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

SVG error
Error creating thumbnail: /home/minecraftwiki/public_html/bin/ulimit4.sh: line 4: rsvg: command not found – ultradude25 ( T at 10:10, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Missing email notifications
Hey Wynthyst, I frequently do not get email notifications of edits performed by bot accounts here (User:Overwatch AI and User:R2-D2). This seems to happen whenever the first edit to a page I'm following after I've visited it is done by a bot. Could you pass this on to the tech team for me (especially since I can't possibly be the only one affected by this)? 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:41, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, I forgot to mention this, but when this happens, email notifications for subsequent edits are also not delivered. There have been cases where a page has been edited hundreds of times over several months without me receiving a single email notification. I often don't even realize I'm missing edits until I check my watchlist (which I don't do often, since I rely primarily on emails to notify me of new edits). 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:08, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Not to be rude or pushy or anything, but could you please at least confirm that Curse is aware of this problem now? 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:56, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't say "Not to be rude or pushy or anything" when you are being rude and pushy. It's the weekend. The tech's aren't available on the weekend, unless it's something like the site has blown up. I will get them to look into it in the morning when they get to the office, I'm certainly not going to interrupt their weekend because you aren't getting your emails.  Geez Dino, take a breath... k? I do apologize for not having acknowledged your post, I thought I had. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]]  talk  07:57, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Aah, sorry about that; the fact that it's the weekend actually hadn't crossed my mind (me being tired certainly didn't help matters either). That and I have a very weird sense of time when it comes to the internet; I honestly thought it'd been more than just a couple days since I posted the original message. You can feel free to interpret me as being needy or obnoxious or whatever if you'd like; while it certainly wasn't my intention, looking at my message again, it certainly looks that way. ;P 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:27, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * LOL! It's ok Dino... I really did think I had responded to you when you posted initially, I know I intended to. I'm only teasing about you being rude and pushy.... sorry if I came off bitchy rather than teasing. :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  08:29, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, if it's any consolation, I am deathly paranoid of my own comments coming off as grouchy or whiny or leave-me-the-f-alone-y or whatever; I almost always read them through before posting them, and it's not terribly uncommon for me to rewrite part(s) (or sometimes all) of them (sometimes more than once). =D 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:42, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Dino, I have talked to the tech team about this, and so far they are stumped. We will continue to try to figure out why this is happening. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  07:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your attention to this issue. =D It would be good to remember that this may actually be a bug in MediaWiki; it certainly wouldn't be the first such email-related bug I've seen (for instance, page deletions get emailed as page creations, and email notifications for page renames are just wonky). I really should start writing down these bugs and then reporting them on Bugzilla. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:54, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I looked a bit ago (and then got distracted =D ), bug 14901 looks to pretty well sum up a lot of the problems with MediaWiki email notifications. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 09:20, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

User JS?
Hey Wynthyst, is user-specific Javascript enabled at the moment? I have a new messages history link script, but it isn't working (it can't be my browser cache, either, since the last time I touched my vector.js page was when I created it in May). If it helps, this should be as simple as making sure $wgAllowUserJs is set to "true" in LocalSettings.php. Also, having "mw:" set as an interwiki prefix to " http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/$1 " (or whatever the specific syntax is; it's been years since I've configured custom interwiki prefixes in a MW installation) would be pretty useful. =D 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Unless admins get special permissions for the js, it's still working for me. My quick preview button is still there and working. The only difference is, your script is importing from wikipedia where as mine is straight in the js file, so maybe Curse has imported scripts off or something. Try copying the script your importing from directly in, and see if it starts working. – ultradude25 ( T at 23:17, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It should be.... I've done nothing to disable it, and if it's working for one, it's working for all. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  05:13, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ultradude: that can't be it, since importScriptURI is an entirely Javascript-based function.
 * Wynthyst: Okay. Mucking about in Chrome's developer tools, it looks like both my vector.js page and the script it loads from Wikipedia are loading... I'll have to see what shows up the next time my talk page is edited (I may do so myself, just so I don't have to wait) . 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:15, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Or maybe I won't do it myself, since I forgot that all anon editing is disabled here. Maybe someone else will... *hint hint* ;) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:19, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * And I am, of course, an idiot - I'd forgotten that the most recent version of the new messages history link script relies on a change to MediaWiki:Youhavenewmessages (as I mentioned on my talk page); I've copied an older version of the script here and hopefully it will work properly now. Sorry for the trouble... *sheepish grin* 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:19, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

MW 1.17?
Are there any plans in place at this time for upgrading the wiki to 1.17? Or, with the release of 1.18 around the corner, is the Curse tech team perhaps waiting for that? Among other things, the upgrade would help with User talk:Dinoguy1000. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It's probably happening next week.... -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  14:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks! =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:51, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * So, got pushed back a week or something? ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:42, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Problems with files in ru-wiki
There are two problems with images in the ru-wiki. When uploading files an error occurs and they are not loaded: The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver. And if you delete some files, for example ru:File:Korobka1.png, an error occurs and the file is not deleted: Error deleting file: Could not create directory. Thank you, HEKP0H -  ru.Wiki Admin  18:44, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * K The tech team has tomorrow off for the Labor Day holiday, so I will ask them to look into it on Tuesday. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:47, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have any news from tech team about these problems? It is difficult to work without possibility to upload and delete pictures. HEKP0H -  ru.Wiki Admin  00:04, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry Hekpoh, we got slammed with some stuff, and I totally forgot, I will get them on it tomorrow. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  05:43, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the help, especially in anticipation of release Beta 1.8 HEKP0H -  ru.Wiki Admin  16:43, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Spikes/dk
Do we have a usual method for handling translation project subpages of articles that have been deleted? Should the subpages also be deleted, and if so, should a note of the deletion be left anywhere, or anything? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:09, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I would delete the subpages as well, and yeah, put a note on their project talk page and remove the link on the project page. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:15, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * All right, cool. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:39, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Adding interwiki prefixes
Hey Wynthyst, did you guys know that any administrator is able to add new interwiki prefixes? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:41, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * All right, just wanted to be sure. ;) Any particular policy on doing so, beyond "don't be retarded" (not that I'm planning to add more)? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:58, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You were given admin rights (and all that entails and allows) based on trust in your judgment. You violate that trust you lose the rights. Pretty simple imo. In other words. Don't be retarded. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  21:08, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:09, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Bug reporting for the second pre-release
Hi, I see you were responsible for the creation and protection of the bug list of the 1.8 pre-release. There is now a second pre-release out, which fixes a number of bugs. I asked this on the talk page, but I hope to get a quicker response this way: Can a new page be made for the second pre-release be made? I think it'd be a good idea to start from scratch and maybe lock editing on the first pre-release bug list, so people aren't going to waste time reporting and investigating bugs on an outdated pre-release. I would gladly start the page myself but I'd probably do something wrong, so your help would be appreciated. LTK 70 13:58, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Known bugs/Version 1.8 v2 – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 14:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism on french wiki
Hi,

We have a huge case of vandalism on the French wiki since two days. Someone is inserting crap into pages and models, and his IP is changing every times. We tried blocking him with the abuse filter but his edits varies and don not contains bad words… Furthermore I don't have anymore acces to Internet at home for still a few days, so it is really hard to counter him.

The strange part is that he used the « 127.0.0.1 » IP, so either he can hack media-wiki to put up any IP address, or he has access to Curse's servers!

– Scaler (t) 07:37, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, he's just on a proxy. As for the filters, we have had some issues with them not working on the language wikis due to the special characters in your alphabets. I will see what I can do :D -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:28, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * We added two other filters. They need some more adjustments, but they are working quite well.
 * About the IP, I know they are using proxies or a botnet. But « 127.0.0.1 » is a local IP address (localhost to be more precise, which correspond to the hosting server itself), it is not possible to obtain this IP with proxies or botnet. This point is really strange and the tech team should be inform about it, I think…
 * – Scaler (t) 08:43, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Article naming discussion
As the discussion to change the naming convention seems to have slowed down and has near-unanimous support, what should happen with it at this point? Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 15:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Applying for admin/mod of the spanish wiki
Hi Wynthyst, I want to apply for admin or mod of the Spanish version of the Minecraft Wiki. I helped editing and translating several articles of the spanish project, and it's a shame to see our wiki die. Thanks and best regards: --POCHI33 03:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree it's a shame. I will take care of it. It would help if could read. All done. Please stop by Minecraft Wiki:Directors and say hello. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:53, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for giving me this honor, I'll try to do my best for our community. --POCHI33 08:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Bot blocked (again ^^")
Hi, my bot was blocked again by the abuse filter. Is it possible to unblock it and to avoid blocking bots with the abuse filters. Thanks ^^ – Scaler (t) 11:40, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ok, I think I got it fixed now. Let me know if you continue to have issues. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:16, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Wiki-Attacks
Wyn, please. This is crazy! You know what I mean. Turn it off, just for a few days. I'm afraid... -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 02:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  02:52, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You are so ignorant. I can't believe it. Live with the consequences. -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 03:13, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Excuse me Oliver? You have had to undo 13 edits all day... the filters have caught the rest of them. Just who is being what? I have never treated you with anything other than respect, I seriously don't deserve that attitude from you. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:16, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've always treated you with respect. Even today. But some users asked me, if we can stop it. I try to do my job, at 5 am. -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 03:33, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * edit conflict You, sir, have no idea how wikis function. A simple look at Special:Recentchanges will tell you that the vast majority of IP contributions to this wiki are beneficial. Please at least make an attempt to make sure your ideas have even a shred of logic behind them before you post on someone's talkpage, especially if you're going to (rather ironically) call them ignorant. 129.2.129.227 03:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oliver, maybe due to the language difference, you don't understand that calling someone ignorant is a pretty disrespectful thing to say. You want me to turn off Anonymous editing because in the past 22hrs, you or your community have had to undo 13 edits. What about the anonymous edits you haven't had to undo? Your wiki is better because of their spelling corrections, additions, etc. but you don't want them to be able to do that because you guys had to undo 13 edits. The only way to attract new additions to your community is to be open to them, not afraid of them. Every wiki in the world has to deal with the bot attacks. The Dutch wiki is experiencing the same issue as you are. Any given week, 2-5 of the Curse wikis are under attack by bots, we just deal with it. The Terraria Wiki has been under attack almost since the day it was launched. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:45, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * yea, thanks. You understand it. But i'am at work now, more in 9 hours. -- Oliver Scholz  de.Wiki Admin 04:43, 10 October 2011 (UTC)