User talk:SuperGeniusZeb

Thanks and...
I just wanted to say that was a nice job you did on Pocket Edition. (I did a minor fix, where you said in the about template that it was for mobile versions—not all the platforms were mobile.) As busy as MoJira is, I'm surprised you can find the time to help us out, and I appreciate it.

I also wanted to mention that after our discussion on the talk page the other day Helen Angel stopped in to say Microsoft isn't very thrilled with that name, either. You might want to review her comment and also participate in the discussion it has revived on Minecraft Wiki Talk:Projects/Renaming. Helen's comment is in the middle (misplaced and easily overlooked); newer comments are at the end. --– Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 23:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Correction: Helen commented on the talk page here about "Legacy Console Edition" and on the project talk page about "Bedrock Edition". --– Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 23:34, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'm glad to help make the Bedrock/Pocket/etc. pages less confusing. I was actually the reason for Helen posting that there. I wanted some official source so I could start making some of the changes I wanted to make (like changing the Pocket Edition page to be more focused on Pocket Edition and moving Apple TV from an "upcoming" Bedrock platform to a current one, since Bedrock is a retroactively-applied name like Legacy Console... and also adding 4J Studios to the Bedrock dev team list), and so I asked Helen to post something on the wiki confirming those things. :P Now, if only Apple TV could be listed under Bedrock on the homepage... I'll post something on the main page's talk page asking for that to be changed.


 * Actually, the main page is a special case. To make changes to it, you make them to Minecraft Wiki/editcopy, which a bureaucrat will then review before merging them to the public main page.
 * Let me just caution you on how you promote your agenda. On a project this size where so many changes have to be coordinated it really requires team cooperation and consensus. Here you've made it sound like you're trying to do a flank run and crush us between you and Helen. I don't think you want to create that impression. If the wiki editors get the idea you're pulling tactical tricks and trying to strong-arm us, they'll shut you down in a second. You can make good arguments on your own, so use them. Well-reasoned arguments will go much farther than pressure from Microsoft. It's Curse's wiki, after all, not Microsoft's (although admittedly, Mojang's/Microsoft's generosity with IP assets is extremely valuable to us). Just my opinion.--– Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 01:24, 4 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the cautioning...


 * First, I just want to clarify the MoJIRA moderation stuff is volunteer-only... I don't get paid to do it, and I don't work for Mojang/Microsoft or anything like that. I don't mean to act as a Microsoft spokesperson or anything like that, nor do I have the incentive to do such a thing.


 * Second, and most importantly, I can assure you that I don't want to force any sort of personal agenda on anyone on the wiki, nor appear to be doing so. I just wanted to fix some info I thought was incorrect and thought it would be convenient to get an official reference... I didn't intend for any sort of forced "Minecraft: Bedrock Edition" -> "Minecraft (Bedrock)" change or anything like that... personally, I don't even care either way regarding that issue. I'm really sorry if I gave the wrong impression, and I'll try not to make that mistake again in the future. Again, thank you for the warning. I had no idea that my actions could be seen that way, and I really don't want to cause any trouble here on the wiki. I really appreciate the job that all you folks do, and wouldn't want to do anything wrong to you. SuperGeniusZeb (talk) 01:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Changes to Pocket Edition
I just reviewed your latest changes to Pocket Edition and noticed that Windows 10 Mobile is listed in the infobox. Did that implementation actually use the "Pocket Edition" subtitle? I never knew that, and would have guessed otherwise. Also, there is a subsection under Controls called Windows 10 Edition. Do you think it would make more organizational sense for that to be on Windows 10 Edition instead? Or is it relevant to the mobile users somehow? --– Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 04:58, 4 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, despite it being completely technically possible, Windows 10 Edition (or "Minecraft" for Windows 10 as it is called now) never ran on Windows 10 Mobile, and the release for Windows 10 Mobile was separate and was called "Minecraft: Pocket Edition"... at least on the Windows Store page. I never had a Windows 10 Mobile phone, so I can't confirm it was used in-game on the title screen, but it was used on the Store page. Actually, the link to the Store page still has Pocket Edition in it: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/minecraft-pocket-edition/9wzdncrdzsbb (Now it's called Minecraft for Windows 10 Mobile in the Windows Store.)


 * I've heard that the separate purchase thing was to make the pricing equal across all mobile versions... Minecraft for Windows 10 Mobile costs the same as Minecraft on Android, iOS, etc., whereas Minecraft for Windows 10 costs the same as Java Edition. I don't really like it, but I can see why they did it.


 * Since the Pocket Edition page should focus on what was in Pocket Edition in particular, I think that the Controls section should only mention the controls supported by Pocket Edition, and perhaps go more in-depth with the controls/UI that only Pocket Edition had. A lot of the info there seems redundant when Controls exists, and the "Windows 10 Edition" section definitely doesn't belong there. the "Tablet features" section doesn't really make sense either, since split controls are available on any mobile device. I think the info should be reorganized there. Pocket Edition does support keyboards, though mouse support is either poor or not even there, except possibly on Windows 10 Mobile... but I'd have to ask someone about that. In general, I think an edition page's controls section should link to the main controls page, and list the type of control inputs it supports, and any platform-specific controls or UI. (The Gear VR page would give info on how the VR controls work, mention whether or not it supports keyboard input, and that sort of thing, and the Windows 10 Edition page would probably list the most amount of different controls and be the largest controls section, since it supported touch, keyboard, mouse, gamepad, AND VR via the Oculus Rift.) What do you think? SuperGeniusZeb (talk) 15:14, 4 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I've never even seen anything but Windows 10 Edition in real life, so I'm sure you understand the relationships between this information and the platforms better than I do. As long as you've considered how it looks to a variety of readers with different viewpoints, I'd say go ahead and make the changes. There may be established consensus you're not aware of, but the worst that will happen is somebody will revert a change and tell you about it. That's the approach I use, when only a page or two is involved. You really only need to seek discussion and consensus for changes that would have a more widespread affect on what the readers see, or would change the maintenance categories.--– Auldrick (talk &middot; contribs) 20:45, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Regarding File:Java Edition logo.png
It seems that a file you have uploaded, File:Java Edition logo.png, is a duplicate of File:Java Edition.png, but is half of its scale. – Dentedharp90041tce 16:16, 12 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Actually, File:Java Edition.png is the image that is scaled... my upload of File:Java Edition logo.png is sourced directly from the game files, and is no larger than it needs to be. The other image, File:Java Edition.png is 2x the size of the actual original logo in the game files, and has NO extra detail, so that's the upload that doesn't need to exist. Also, technically File:Java Edition.png is a duplicate of File:Java Edition logo.png because I uploaded the logo first. SuperGeniusZeb  (T▪C) 17:28, 12 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I uploaded File:Java Edition.png so Exclusive will not cause a red link. You can request a deletion for File:Java Edition.png and move File:Java Edition logo.png to the location of the previous file. – Dentedharp90041tce 10:43, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll request a deletion of File:Java Edition.png, and once it has been deleted, I'll move File:Java Edition logo.png to the other URL. :) SuperGeniusZeb  (T▪C) 14:56, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


 * :D – Dentedharp90041tce 15:37, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Pocket Edition vs. Bedrock Edition
Version pages before 1.2 are called Pocket Edition, and nobody has changed them, so for consistency's sake, we should call it Pocket Edition on the Skin pack page for all skin packs released before 1.2. Mistersheep (talk) 19:10, 29 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Good point... I'd forgotten about that. However, I disagree with older versions pre-1.2 all being called "Pocket Edition". It does make sense for versions before 0.12.0 (since PE was the only edition using the Bedrock codebase at the time), but after that, calling everything released during that era "Pocket" is neither intuitive nor technically accurate.


 * So what should be done? I think the version pages should be something like this:


 * Pocket Edition 0.11.0
 * Windows 10 Edition 0.12.0 (This version was only ever released for Win10.)
 * Pocket Edition / Windows 10 Edition 0.12.1
 * Pocket Edition / Windows 10 Edition / Gear VR Edition / Apple TV Edition / Fire TV Edition 1.0.0


 * Of course, this is a pretty cumbersome way to name updates, so maybe this alternative naming scheme should be used instead:


 * 0.11.0 (Pocket Edition)
 * 0.12.0 (Windows 10 Edition)
 * 0.12.1 (Pocket Edition & Windows 10 Edition)
 * 1.0.0 (Pocket Edition, Windows 10 Edition, Gear VR Edition, Apple TV Edition, & Fire TV Edition)


 * This is a bit easier to read, though for consistency, you would want to change other version pages to things like:


 * 1.13 (Java Edition)
 * 1.2 (Bedrock Edition)


 * And speaking of Java Edition, this brings up the question of the naming of Java Edition versions. I think retroactively adding "Java Edition" to all Java Edition version pages is probably the best idea, for the sake of consistency and not having bias towards any codebase... meaning no "1.2" page, just "1.2 (Bedrock Edition)" and "1.2 (Java Edition)".


 * As another, simpler solution to the pre-1.2 Bedrock Edition version naming issue, you could just label any update from 0.12.0 onward as "Bedrock Edition". That would be better (in my opinion) than the current situation.


 * All that aside, I think skin packs released during the pre-1.2 era should probably all just be labeled as "Bedrock Edition", regardless of what the 0.12-1.2 versions are called, since they're technically still "current" things... as in, they're not an update that has been replaced by the next update... they're still available (most of them, anyway) in the Marketplace. It would be like saying that grass blocks are a Pocket Edition feature in Bedrock Edition.


 * When it comes to stating release dates, it might be most accurate to state the editions that the DLC came out for at the time, but if you do that you may have to also explain that the DLC was later "released" for any editions that came out after the DLC did, like the Redstone Specialists Skin pack and the Gear VR Edition, which released after that skin pack, but of course also had that skin pack available to buy upon the release of the edition. Saying "released for Bedrock Edition" is easier, though perhaps inconsistent... depending upon how the "Bedrock Edition" title is applied retroactively. (Somewhat interesting note: only 2 pieces of DLC were released before Windows 10 Edition was released: the City Folk and Town Folk skin packs.)


 * Hopefully that all made sense. What do you think? SuperGeniusZeb  (T▪C) 20:21, 29 December 2017 (UTC)