Minecraft Wiki talk:Community portal



Navigation on FandomDesktop (and perhaps sidebar on Hydra)
As you may know, FandomDesktop will use the same navigation, as [ Oasis], therefore we would have to change this one. Unfortunately, this type of navigation would mean the uncollapsed "navigation" would be gone, and we would have to rework it entirely. What are your opinions on this?

Note: It is possible to add 3 layers into navigation --TreeIsLife (talk) 13:42, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I propose an idea to do this. We can just update MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation to make 4 custom sections. Note that I don't know if the "Explore" category can have many customizations like the others, but it can be modified I think, so I propose that we should update to this only after UCX (FandomDesktop) releases:
 * {| class="wikitable"

! colspan="2" | Wiki ! colspan="2" | Minecraft ! colspan="2" | Dungeons ! Help ! Explore
 * Wiki rules
 * Gameplay
 * Gameplay
 * How to help
 * Recent changes
 * Minecraft style guide
 * Blocks
 * Locations
 * Help with contents
 * Random page
 * Dungeons style guide
 * Items
 * Heads-up display
 * Standardized views
 * What links here
 * Talk page guidelines
 * Entities
 * Daily Trials
 * Quick reference page
 * Special pages
 * Video policy
 * Mobs
 * Ancient Hunts
 * Schematics
 * Upload a file
 * Community portal
 * Mechanics
 * Difficulties
 * Official sources
 * Missing pages
 * Admin noticeboard
 * Crafting
 * Mobs
 * Projects
 * Smelting
 * Gear
 * Pending tasks
 * Brewing
 * Weapons
 * Patroller requests
 * Enchanting
 * Armor
 * Wiki Discord
 * Trading
 * Artifacts
 * Edit testing page
 * Redstone
 * Enchanting
 * Components
 * Cosmetics
 * Circuits
 * Drops
 * Tutorials
 * Arcade
 * Achievements
 * Cards
 * Advancements
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Mobs
 * Projects
 * Smelting
 * Gear
 * Pending tasks
 * Brewing
 * Weapons
 * Patroller requests
 * Enchanting
 * Armor
 * Wiki Discord
 * Trading
 * Artifacts
 * Edit testing page
 * Redstone
 * Enchanting
 * Components
 * Cosmetics
 * Circuits
 * Drops
 * Tutorials
 * Arcade
 * Achievements
 * Cards
 * Advancements
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Armor
 * Wiki Discord
 * Trading
 * Artifacts
 * Edit testing page
 * Redstone
 * Enchanting
 * Components
 * Cosmetics
 * Circuits
 * Drops
 * Tutorials
 * Arcade
 * Achievements
 * Cards
 * Advancements
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Enchanting
 * Components
 * Cosmetics
 * Circuits
 * Drops
 * Tutorials
 * Arcade
 * Achievements
 * Cards
 * Advancements
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Circuits
 * Drops
 * Tutorials
 * Arcade
 * Achievements
 * Cards
 * Advancements
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Tutorials
 * Arcade
 * Achievements
 * Cards
 * Advancements
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Achievements
 * Cards
 * Advancements
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Achievements
 * Cards
 * Advancements
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Advancements
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Advancements
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * }
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * What do you think of this? Thejoaqui777 (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Wiki navigation request (moved from admin noticeboard)
Currently, it looks like:
 * Minecraft
 * Minecraft Earth
 * Minecraft Dungeons

This should be changed to:
 * Minecraft
 * Minecraft Dungeons
 * Minecraft Dungeons Arcade

Thank you. Humiebeetalk contribs 21:53, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd do these changes to MediaWiki:Sidebar:


 * Games
 * Minecraft|Minecraft
 * Minecraft Dungeons|Minecraft Dungeons
 * MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
 * Minecraft: Story Mode|Minecraft: Story Mode
 * Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two|Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two
 * Minecraft Earth|Minecraft Earth
 * Because all of those games are official (even Story Mode is official in its way), and people might be interested in seeing them.
 * If we someday use MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation, I'd use on that page:


 * Minecraft (games)|Games
 * Minecraft|Minecraft
 * Java Edition|Java Edition
 * Bedrock Edition|Bedrock Edition
 * Education Edition|Education Edition
 * Minecraft Dungeons|Minecraft Dungeons
 * MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
 * Minecraft: Story Mode|Minecraft: Story Mode
 * Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two|Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two
 * Minecraft Earth|Minecraft Earth
 * To make it more useful on FandomDesktop. Both options work anyway. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 00:31, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The first option is fine but in the second option, if you are going to put discontinued games, you have to put discontinued versions OR remove the discontinued games (3DS and Console) (like the original proposal I made). Humiebeetalk contribs 21:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should only have 3 links to 3 current games. After all, our wiki has content for all those games and readers may be interested. Sure, they are discontinued, but I wouldn't compare them to 3DS or Legacy Console, since games like Story Mode or Earth are their own games unlike 3DS and Legacy, which are just ports of regular Minecraft to other devices. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 23:42, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If so, I prefer the 1st option because editions are NOT games. Humiebeetalk contribs 16:40, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * While I agree that editions aren't games, people searches them and they are enoughly relevant to be included there. That's a reason of why I didn't include editions like Legacy, Pi or 3DS. Also, note that Wiki-navigation only affects FandomDesktop, and on Hydra Sidebar takes its place. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 16:50, 25 June 2021 (UTC) (Edit: I moved Earth down since it was discontinued.)
 * Change the sidebar:
 * Games*
 * Minecraft
 * Minecraft Dungeons
 * Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
 * Minecraft Earth
 * Discontinued games*
 * Minecraft: Story Mode
 * Minecraft: Story Mode Season 2
 * To this:
 * Games*
 * Minecraft
 * Minecraft Dungeons
 * Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
 * Discontinued games*
 * Minecraft: Story Mode
 * Minecraft: Story Mode Season 2
 * Minecraft Earth
 * 111.88.70.70 13:26, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * this though MCE should be moved above MC: Story Mode. Humiebeetalk contribs 14:33, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * For MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation I would suggest something like this:

* #|Games ** Minecraft *** Java Edition *** Bedrock Edition *** Education Edition ** Minecraft Dungeons ** MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade ** #|Discontinued games *** Minecraft Earth *** Minecraft: Story Mode *** Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two
 * Games
 * Minecraft
 * Java Edition
 * Bedrock Edition
 * Education Edition
 * Minecraft Dungeons
 * Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
 * Discontinued games
 * Minecraft Earth
 * Minecraft: Story Mode
 * Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two
 * }
 * --MarkusRost (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know, the reason of why I didn't add s discontinued games section was to make simpler for users to go to the pages. We already say that they are discontinued on both main page and their own pages, so for me it's kinda redundant. Also, I would make "Games" go to a disambiguation page or something like that, such a "Minecraft (games)" or "Minecraft (franchise)" page or something like that. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 16:20, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That's actually not possible as clicking on "Games" collapses and uncollapses the games themselves. Humiebeetalk contribs 14:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This one includes different editions unlike the IP above. I don't think editions should be in "Games". Also, Arcade should be a subbullet of MCD and Story Mode Season 2 should be a sub-bullet of Story Mode. Humiebeetalk contribs 17:41, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * My overall request:
 * My overall request:

* #|Games ** Minecraft *** Java Edition *** Bedrock Edition *** Education Edition ** Minecraft Dungeons *** MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade ** #|Discontinued games *** Minecraft Earth *** Minecraft: Story Mode **** Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two
 * Games
 * Minecraft
 * Java Edition
 * Bedrock Edition
 * Education Edition
 * Minecraft Dungeons
 * Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
 * Discontinued games
 * Minecraft: Story Mode
 * Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two
 * }
 * Humiebeetalk contribs 17:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not a big fan on the subsections for Story Mode and Dungeons. The subsections include only a single link which kinda defeats the point of of a subsection, specially as we aren't at the limit of links in the higher section. MarkusRost (talk) 17:15, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I really don't like discontinued games either, they recieve too little traction, MCE is inaccessable and MC Story Mode is inaccessable if you did not download it before its discontinuation. I'm fine with no sub-bullets ifi there is only going to be 3 games (MC, MCD, and MCD: Arcade). I'm still not comfortable with editions as they are not games. (So I basically support my original proposal
 * I'm not a big fan on the subsections for Story Mode and Dungeons. The subsections include only a single link which kinda defeats the point of of a subsection, specially as we aren't at the limit of links in the higher section. MarkusRost (talk) 17:15, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I really don't like discontinued games either, they recieve too little traction, MCE is inaccessable and MC Story Mode is inaccessable if you did not download it before its discontinuation. I'm fine with no sub-bullets ifi there is only going to be 3 games (MC, MCD, and MCD: Arcade). I'm still not comfortable with editions as they are not games. (So I basically support my original proposal

* #|Games ** Minecraft ** Minecraft Dungeons ** MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
 * Games
 * Minecraft
 * Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
 * }
 * Humiebeetalk contribs 14:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * }
 * Humiebeetalk contribs 14:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

To continue, I've made some significant changes to the navigation (for Fandom Desktop) and not just for the games section, feel free to add or suggest more things about it:


 * Minecraft Wiki
 * Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes
 * MCW:Community portal|Community portal
 * MCW:Admin noticeboard|Admin noticeboard
 * MCW:Projects|Projects
 * MCW:Wiki rules|Rules and guides
 * MCW:Wiki rules/Video policy|Video policy
 * MCW:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines
 * MCW:Style guide|Style guide
 * MCW:Standardized views|Standardized views
 * Help:Contents|Help
 * https://help.fandom.com/wiki/|Fandom help
 * Help:Official sources|Official sources
 * MCW:How to help|How to help
 * #|More
 * MCW:Sandbox|Sandbox
 * MCW:Directors|Directors page
 * MCW:Discord|Wiki Discord


 * #|Games
 * Minecraft
 * Java Edition
 * Bedrock Edition
 * Education Edition
 * Minecraft China
 * Minecraft Dungeons
 * Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
 * Minecraft Earth
 * Minecraft: Story Mode
 * Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two


 * #|Useful pages
 * Minecraft
 * Item|Items
 * Block|Blocks
 * Mob|Mobs
 * Biome|Biomes
 * Crafting
 * Trading
 * Brewing
 * Redstone circuits
 * Controls
 * Tutorials
 * Minecraft Dungeons
 * MCD:Item|Items
 * MCD:Enchantment|Enchantments
 * MCD:Mob|Mobs
 * MCD:Location|Locations
 * MCD:Daily Trial|Daily Trials
 * MCD:Ancient Hunts|Ancient Hunts
 * MCD:Controls|Controls
 * MCD:Tutorials|Tutorials
 * Minecraft Earth
 * MCE:Mob|Mobs
 * MCE:Tappable|Tappables
 * MCE:Journal|Journal
 * MCE:Buildplate|Buildplates
 * MCE:Challenges|Challenges
 * MCE:Seasons|Seasons
 * #|Technical pages
 * Add-on|Add-ons
 * Data pack|Data packs
 * Resource pack|Resource packs
 * Server|Servers
 * Bedrock Dedicated Server|Bedrock Dedicated Servers
 * Development resources
 * Official pages


 * #|Minecraft links
 * https://minecraft.net/|Website
 * https://help.minecraft.net/|Support
 * https://feedback.minecraft.net|Feedback
 * https://bugs.mojang.com/|Bug tracker
 * https://discord.gg/minecraft|Discord
 * https://twitter.com/Minecraft|Twitter
 * #|Other media
 * https://www.facebook.com/minecraft|Facebook
 * https://instagram.com/minecraft|Instagram
 * https://www.youtube.com/minecraft|YouTube
 * https://www.twitch.tv/minecraft|Twitch

Quick look: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827172532917764161/865280880628465684/Navigation.gif – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 20:58, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I really think that Realms and Commands should be moved to technical. I also think that a discontinued games sub-section should be added to separate old games and new, active games. Humiebeetalk contribs 21:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've updated the menus to show less items, since 4th layer menu doesn't really supported. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 17:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Forgot to say, . Also, how would these apply to the hydra sidebar? (MediaWiki:Sidebar) Humiebeetalk contribs 21:16, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * As MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation doesn't affect the current hydra sidebar, I don't think it's possible to add multi-layered section with the sidebar. So hydra would almost likely to be unchanged. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 21:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd use something like this actually:


 * Help:Contents|Wiki contents
 * MCW:Wiki rules|Wiki rules
 * MCW:Wiki rules/Video policy|Video policy
 * MCW:Style guide|Style guide
 * MCW:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines
 * MCW:Standardized views|Standardized views
 * Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes
 * MCW:Community portal|Community portal
 * MCW:Admin noticeboard|Admin noticeboard
 * MCW:Patroller requests|Patroller requests
 * MCW:Projects|Projects
 * MCW:Sandbox|Sandbox
 * MCW:How to help|How to help
 * Community:Help:Contents|Community central
 * https://help.fandom.com/wiki/|Gamepedia help
 * Help:Schematic|Schematics
 * MCW:Templates|Templates
 * MCW:Directors|Directors page
 * #|Media
 * MCW:Discord|Wiki Discord
 * https://twitter.com/MinecraftWikiEN |Wiki Twitter
 * https://youtube.com/channel/UCpGnHzJ6fquO_8vSmiA32yg|Wiki Youtube


 * #|Games
 * Minecraft
 * Java Edition
 * Bedrock Edition
 * Education Edition
 * Minecraft China
 * Minecraft Dungeons
 * MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
 * Minecraft Earth
 * Minecraft: Story Mode
 * Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two


 * Special:RandomRootpage|Useful pages
 * Minecraft
 * Item|Items
 * Block|Blocks
 * Mob|Mobs
 * Biome|Biomes
 * Gameplay
 * Achievement|Achievements
 * Advancement|Advancements
 * Singleplayer
 * Multiplayer
 * Realms
 * Difficulty|Difficulties
 * Command|Commands
 * Controls
 * Mechanics
 * Fishing
 * Trading
 * Crafting
 * Smelting
 * Brewing
 * Enchanting
 * Redstone circuits
 * #|Technical
 * Add-on|Add-ons
 * Data pack|Data packs
 * Resource pack|Resource packs
 * Server|Servers
 * Bedrock Dedicated Server|Bedrock Dedicated Servers
 * Development resources
 * Mods
 * Tutorials|Tutorials
 * Minecraft Dungeons|Minecraft Dungeons
 * MCD:Item|Items
 * MCD:Melee Weapon|Melee weapons
 * MCD:Ranged Weapon|Ranged weapons
 * MCD:Armor|Armor
 * MCD:Artifact|Artifacts
 * MCD:Consumable|Consumables
 * MCD:Cosmetics|Cosmetics
 * MCD:Enchantment|Enchantments
 * MCD:Mob|Mobs
 * MCD:Location|Locations
 * MCD:Gameplay|Gameplay
 * MCD:Story|Story
 * MCD:Skin|Skins
 * MCD:Achievement|Achievements
 * MCD:Difficulty|Difficulties
 * MCD:Controls|Controls
 * #|Mechanics
 * MCD:Souls|Souls
 * MCD:Levels|Levels
 * MCD:Enchanting|Enchanting
 * MCD:Daily Trial|Daily Trials
 * MCD:Ancient Hunts|Ancient Hunts
 * MCD:Tutorials|Tutorials
 * Minecraft Earth|Minecraft Earth
 * MCE:Mob|Mobs
 * MCE:Tappable|Tappables
 * MCE:Gameplay|Gameplay
 * MCE:Journal|Journal
 * MCE:Make Stuff|Make Stuff
 * MCE:Buildplate|Buildplates
 * MCE:Challenges|Challenges
 * MCE:Seasons|Seasons
 * Official pages


 * Help:Official sources|Official links
 * https://minecraft.net/|Website
 * https://help.minecraft.net/|Support
 * https://feedback.minecraft.net|Feedback
 * https://bugs.mojang.com/|Bug tracker
 * #|Discord
 * https://discord.gg/minecraft|Minecraft
 * https://discord.gg/minecraftdungeons|Minecraft Dungeons
 * https://discord.gg/minecraftearth|Minecraft Earth
 * #|Twitter
 * https://twitter.com/Minecraft|Minecraft
 * https://twitter.com/dungeonsgame|Minecraft Dungeons
 * https://twitter.com/minecraftearth|Minecraft Earth
 * #|Other media
 * https://www.facebook.com/minecraft|Facebook
 * https://instagram.com/minecraft|Instagram
 * https://www.youtube.com/minecraft|YouTube
 * https://www.twitch.tv/minecraft|Twitch


 * That way we can include more useful links, also without being redundant on usage of many "something|something" (it does work). Thejoaqui777 (talk) 00:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Does 4th layer even exist? I did not saw nothing about it?


 * But if you ask about my idea, it should be simple, so the idea for layer 1 would be:


 * Minecraft
 * Minecraft Dungeons
 * #|Other
 * Minecraft Wiki


 * --TreeIsLife (talk) 21:27, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 4th layer does not exist so thejouqui777's idea can't work. Minecraft Wiki is not a game and you forgot MCD Arcade.Humiebeetalk contribs 22:11, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * MCD arcade goes into MCD layer. Minecraft Wiki lists wiki things. "Help:Contents" isn't even a in category of "wiki contents". --TreeIsLife (talk) 06:28, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Help:Contents|Wiki contents
 * MCW:Wiki rules|Wiki rules
 * MCW:Wiki rules/Video policy|Video policy
 * MCW:Style guide|Style guide
 * MCW:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines
 * MCW:Standardized views|Standardized views
 * Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes
 * MCW:Community portal|Community portal
 * MCW:Admin noticeboard|Admin noticeboard
 * MCW:Patroller requests|Patroller requests
 * MCW:Projects|Projects
 * MCW:Sandbox|Sandbox
 * MCW:How to help|How to help
 * Community:Help:Contents|Community central
 * https://help.fandom.com/wiki/|Gamepedia help
 * Help:Schematic|Schematics
 * MCW:Templates|Templates
 * MCW:Directors|Directors page
 * #|Media
 * MCW:Discord|Wiki Discord
 * https://twitter.com/MinecraftWikiEN|Wiki Twitter
 * https://youtube.com/channel/UCpGnHzJ6fquO_8vSmiA32yg|Wiki Youtube


 * #|Games
 * Minecraft
 * Minecraft Dungeons
 * MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
 * Minecraft Earth
 * Minecraft: Story Mode
 * Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two


 * #|Editions
 * Java Edition
 * Java Edition version history|Version history
 * Bedrock Edition
 * Bedrock Edition version history|Version history
 * Education Edition
 * Minecraft China
 * #|Discontinued
 * Legacy Console Edition
 * New Nintendo 3DS Edition
 * Pi Edition
 * Minecraft 4K


 * Special:RandomRootpage|Useful pages
 * #|Minecraft
 * Item|Items
 * Block|Blocks
 * Mob|Mobs
 * Biome|Biomes
 * Gameplay
 * Mechanics
 * Add-on|Add-ons
 * Data pack|Data packs
 * Resource pack|Resource packs
 * Server|Servers
 * Bedrock Dedicated Server|Bedrock Dedicated Servers
 * Development resources
 * Mods
 * Tutorials|Tutorials
 * #|Minecraft Dungeons
 * MCD:Item|Items
 * MCD:Enchantment|Enchantments
 * MCD:Mob|Mobs
 * MCD:Location|Locations
 * MCD:Gameplay|Gameplay
 * MCD:Tutorials|Tutorials
 * Official pages
 * Official pages/Parity issue list|Parity
 * Official pages/Bedrock Edition flattening|Bedrock Edition flattening


 * Help:Official sources|Official links
 * https://minecraft.net/|Website
 * https://help.minecraft.net/|Support
 * https://feedback.minecraft.net|Feedback
 * https://bugs.mojang.com/|Bug tracker
 * #|Discord
 * https://discord.gg/minecraft|Minecraft
 * https://discord.gg/minecraftdungeons|Minecraft Dungeons
 * #|Twitter
 * https://twitter.com/Minecraft|Minecraft
 * https://twitter.com/dungeonsgame|Minecraft Dungeons
 * #|Other media
 * https://www.facebook.com/minecraft|Facebook
 * https://instagram.com/minecraft|Instagram
 * https://www.youtube.com/minecraft|YouTube
 * https://www.twitch.tv/minecraft|Twitch
 * https://www.reddit.com/minecraft|Reddit


 * Simply thejouqui777's idea without 4th headings (+ or - a few adjustments) Humiebeetalk contribs 22:23, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd like to mention that 4th layers did exist before, but they now don't, so yeah the proposal may need to be tweaked. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 06:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

If you noticed a new Fandom blog, next week, the skin will officially be unchangeable from preferences and 2 weeks later,  will be removed too. So, it will become inaccessible. Because of this, we must to make a final decision for the skin. After some thinking, my final suggestion is:


 * Help:Contents|Minecraft Wiki
 * MCW:Wiki rules|Wiki's rules
 * MCW:Style guide|Style guide
 * MCW:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines
 * MCW:Wiki rules/Video policy|Video policy
 * MCW:Standardized views|Standardized views
 * MCW:Community portal|Community portal
 * MCW:Admin noticeboard|Admin noticeboard
 * MCW:Projects|Projects
 * MCW:Sandbox|Sandbox
 * Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes
 * MCW:How to help|How to help
 * #|Need a help
 * Community:Help:Contents|Community central
 * https://help.fandom.com/wiki/|Gamepedia help
 * Help:Schematic|Schematics
 * MCW:Templates|Templates
 * MCW:Directors|Directors page
 * #|Media
 * MCW:Discord|Wiki Discord
 * https://twitter.com/MinecraftWikiEN|Wiki Twitter
 * https://youtube.com/channel/UCpGnHzJ6fquO_8vSmiA32yg|Wiki Youtube


 * #|Games
 * Minecraft
 * Java Edition
 * Bedrock Edition
 * Education Edition
 * Minecraft China
 * Legacy Console Edition|Legacy Console Edition (discontinued)
 * New Nintendo 3DS Edition|New Nintendo 3DS Edition (discontinued)
 * Pi Edition|Pi Edition (discontinued)
 * Minecraft 4K|Minecraft 4K (discontinued)
 * Minecraft Dungeons
 * MCD:Minecraft Dungeons Arcade|Minecraft Dungeons Arcade
 * Minecraft Earth
 * Minecraft: Story Mode
 * Minecraft: Story Mode - Season Two


 * Special:RandomRootpage|Useful pages
 * #|Minecraft
 * Item|Items
 * Block|Blocks
 * Mob|Mobs
 * Biome|Biomes
 * Gameplay
 * Mechanics
 * Add-on|Add-ons
 * Data pack|Data packs
 * Resource pack|Resource packs
 * Server|Servers
 * Bedrock Dedicated Server|Bedrock Dedicated Servers
 * Development resources
 * Mods
 * Tutorials|Tutorials
 * #|Minecraft Dungeons
 * MCD:Item|Items
 * MCD:Enchantment|Enchantments
 * MCD:Mob|Mobs
 * MCD:Location|Locations
 * MCD:Gameplay|Gameplay
 * MCD:Tutorials|Tutorials
 * Official pages
 * Official pages/Parity issue list|Parity
 * Official pages/Bedrock Edition flattening|Bedrock Edition flattening


 * Help:Official sources|Official links
 * https://minecraft.net/|Website
 * https://help.minecraft.net/|Support
 * https://feedback.minecraft.net|Feedback
 * https://bugs.mojang.com/|Bug tracker
 * #|Discord
 * https://discord.gg/minecraft|Minecraft
 * https://discord.gg/minecraftdungeons|Minecraft Dungeons
 * #|Twitter
 * https://twitter.com/Minecraft|Minecraft
 * https://twitter.com/dungeonsgame|Minecraft Dungeons
 * #|Other media
 * https://www.facebook.com/minecraft|Facebook
 * https://instagram.com/minecraft|Instagram
 * https://www.youtube.com/minecraft|YouTube
 * https://www.twitch.tv/minecraft|Twitch
 * https://www.reddit.com/minecraft|Reddit

I decided to merge editions with the "Minecraft" on sublayer of Games. Few changes in "Minecraft Wiki" layer, but otherwise it is same. --TreeIsLife (talk) 19:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

2022 Update
Continuing the discussion, I proposed this for the new navigation:


 * #|Minecraft Wiki
 * Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes&#8203
 * MCW:Community portal|Community portal
 * MCW:Admin noticeboard|Admin noticeboard
 * MCW:Projects|Projects
 * MCW:Sandbox|Sandbox
 * MCW:Wiki rules|Rules
 * MCW:Wiki rules/Video policy|Video policy
 * MCW:Standardized views|Standardized views
 * MCW:Talk page guidelines|Talk page guidelines
 * MCW:Style guide|Style guide
 * #|More
 * MCW:Directors|Directors
 * MCW:Discord|Discord server


 * #|Gameplay
 * Minecraft
 * Tutorials
 * Item|Items
 * Block|Blocks
 * Mob|Mobs
 * Biome|Biomes
 * Crafting
 * Trading
 * Brewing
 * Enchanting
 * Redstone circuits
 * Controls
 * Minecraft Dungeons
 * MCD:Tutorials|Tutorials
 * MCD:Item|Items
 * MCD:Enchantment|Enchantments
 * MCD:Mob|Mobs
 * MCD:Location|Locations
 * MCD:Daily Trial|Daily Trials
 * MCD:Ancient Hunt|Ancient Hunts
 * MCD:Controls|Controls
 * Minecraft Earth
 * MCE:Mob|Mobs
 * MCE:Tappable|Tappables
 * MCE:Journal|Journal
 * MCE:Buildplate|Buildplates
 * MCE:Challenges|Challenges
 * MCE:Seasons|Seasons
 * Minecraft Story Mode


 * #|Technical
 * Command|Commands
 * Data values
 * Data pack|Data packs
 * Function (Java Edition)|Functions
 * Predicate|Predicates
 * Tag|Tags&#8203
 * Resource pack|Resource packs
 * Textures
 * Add-on|Add-ons
 * Function (Bedrock Edition)|Functions
 * Server|Servers
 * Realms
 * Realms Plus
 * Bedrock Dedicated Server|Bedrock Dedicated Servers
 * Development resources
 * Level format
 * Chunk format
 * NBT format


 * #|Minecraft links
 * https://minecraft.net/|Website
 * https://help.minecraft.net/|Support
 * https://feedback.minecraft.net|Feedback
 * https://bugs.mojang.com/|Bug tracker
 * https://discord.gg/minecraft|Discord
 * https://twitter.com/Minecraft|Twitter
 * #|More
 * https://www.facebook.com/minecraft|Facebook
 * https://instagram.com/minecraft|Instagram
 * https://www.twitch.tv/minecraft|Twitch
 * https://www.youtube.com/minecraft|YouTube

Preview on my test wiki:.

I've removed the Games section altogether and merged it with the Gameplay section (you can still click on the respective title), also added Technical section which contains several links to customization resources. I also noticed that moving from sidebar to wiki navigation means that we will lose the amount of maximum items in a single dropdown, so multilayered dropdown is needed to compensate some of the remaining links. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 04:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Hydra

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * Hydra will no longer be able to be used at all making this discussion obsolete in a few months. Humiebeetalk contribs 17:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

This sub-section will be used to discuss the hydra sidebar. For games, MCE should be removed (no discontinued stuff) and MCD Arcade should be added. There is also a dungeons sidebar so the twitter and discord for dungeons can be done accordingly. Instagram should be added, Minecraft Twitch should be renamed to Twitch, all mechanics (trading, brewing, enchanting, crafting, smelting) in the hydra sidebar should be clumped into Mechanics. Technical stuff should not be added. Blocks, Items, and Mobs should be moved to the top and gameplay should be added. Humiebeetalk contribs 21:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know why we should discuss this. Soon in August, all wikis should be using FandomDesktop by default, and later, Hydra skin will be removed from options to switch. --TreeIsLife (talk) 06:54, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, at least the admins should repace MCE with MCD Arcade, this discussion is now irrelevant. Humiebeetalk contribs 17:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Logo?

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
 * --TreeIsLife (talk) 09:06, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Idk but sounds like we need to change the logo... maybe a cube wikipedia? Gugalcrom123 (talk) 12:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Which logo exactly? -- XZippy (talk) 18:04, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * See the Community Portal page (not this talk page) for an explanation. This wiki has been disallowed to display Microsoft-owned trademarks or logos. Amatulic (talk) 19:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the wiki is no longer official. Microsoft terminated the agreement that allowed use of Minecraft trademarks on this wiki. This is no longer an official source. About that though, how will it affect the wiki's style guide? I doubt there would still be the same dedication to making this a complete, comprehensive source when there is no credibility status to live up to. As far as I can tell there is nothing to stop this wiki from becoming another one of the millions of fan-made nonsense that this site is full of. I'm really worried it won't be as reliable as before, even if only from a user perspective. Loss of an official status is no small thing and would definitely affect credibility.Theoratically, what can prevent this from becoming another trash can is if the strict style guide is never dropped or changed, as in for instance pages about features not in development versions are not allowed, so on and so forth. But even then would it be viewed and referred to by the community the same way as before? Anyone with information or even just an opinion about that matter as a whole? I'd really like to be wrong about where I think this wiki is going, but I also kind of like the drama ngl. Zegatrox (talk) 06:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not believe this change is going to affect article quality or wiki policy. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 08:24, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * As a member of this community, I can say that we won't be different from what we've been all these years. A community like us isn't only defined by their rules, but also their members. All those users who make either small or big editions are appreciated. The logo may be different, yeah, but this doesn't mean we'll be different. Some things will change, but our core will remain the same. We've even been considered "unnoficial" from many years ago actually, and we all knew that someday something like this would happen. What we need to do is to not lose our dedication and inspiration, we need to continue doing what we've been doing for all these years, which is to document all the info about the franchise we love. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 19:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Without rules, the people start conflicting. As such, the rules actually do make or break a community. Be clear, be concise, and be comprehensive. That is why Fandom's wiki was listed as official for longer than anyone else's wiki. And, if we slack on the rules, then all the work that was poured into the Fandom wiki goes away. ... Yes, the people are important. Just make sure the rules last longer than the people will. :) 70.190.43.171 04:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Your comment made my day! Ever since I discovered this place and the Nether Update was anounced I was so anticipating to see how the articles grow and keep documenting all of the cool new features so people who like me at the time were new to the community and didn't follow Minecraft on YouTube or Twitter could see all of these things. I had that same feeling once Caves & Cliffs was announced, and after what happened I worried this aspect of the wiki being so up to date and a comprehensive source to check out update news would be no more. But thinking about it again you are right. Ambition and dedication is what gave this wiki a place in the Minecraft community, not some status given or taken away by the all-great, all-powerful authorities (looking at you Microsoft). What they call it doesn't change its reality, and the reality is that this wiki has been documenting all information about Minecraft that is in reach since its release. Zegatrox (talk) 01:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't give a **** about the "official" designation when I got here, and I still don't. This is a wiki, people. A wiki consists of user-generated content, which cannot by any stretch be considered "official". It would be official if the content were curated by Microsoft or Mojang. But as a wiki, no way. It's an information resource, made reliable through the dedication of its contributors. Amatulic (talk) 03:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Regarding the logo specifically, I have just updated to a new logo to fulfill the Microsoft requirements in a timely manner; though it's not necessarily final and I think some people wanted to discuss it further. – Sonicwave talk   18:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I like the new logo, but can we do it without text or with a plain font like Roboto? It looks like one of those cheap recreations from the internet. – Unsigned comment added by Gugalcrom123 (talk • contribs). Sign comments with

Regarding the logo and header, I have a new proposition for the wiki header: Let me know what do you think and if you support possible change to this revision. Update: Changed logo perspective to more 3D look. Oakar567 (talk) 16:21, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks good! Cat201 (talk) 17:12, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I really like the idea of the new earth logo, it just needs to be improved upon. As for the header, I think the text should be tilted/pitched backwards and forwards similarly to how all the Minecraft update logos are. I made an example of this, but I don't know if I should upload it due to it using a CC BY-ND copyrighted font (idk how it works). The current header looks too flat in my opinion. Cat201 (talk) 17:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * We can definitely figure something out in terms of more 3D look, but I'm affraid then it would be called out as taking too much inspiration from official Minecraft logo, resulting in getting back to starting point and change request. Idk, maybe others have different opinion in this matter Oakar567 (talk) 17:47, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

A logo idea I made, which *technically* doesn't use the official minecraft logo. Is this what you (Oakar567) meant by things possibly being called out for taking to much inspiration from the official one? (also sorry if I somehow break everything, I'm completely new to editing wikis) JakeThe28th (talk) 20:18, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the "Unofficial" is unnecessary, and so it the emphasis on "Wiki". Also, I don't think there's an issue with having the wiki logo being inspired by the Minecraft logo as long as it's not the exact same one, but maybe using the same font design like you did here is too much. Cat201 (talk) 19:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Proposal about closing in 3 days
Since this discussion is nearly 14 months old, with no activity for those 14 months and as we've basically "adapted" the current logo (and ES wiki even modified it for their needs) and besides that logo, there was only one different logo submition, (which didn't get any support), I would like to close this discussion in 3 days (if nobody will oppose).

If the discussion will get closed, it will mean that current (Oakar's) logo will become the wiki's official one and we will finally be able to have this topic closed. --TreeIsLife (talk) 21:35, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Combat Tests
Proposal: Should we consider Combat Tests experimental snapshots? As of now, they're listed simply as snapshots, despite having everything in common with experimental snapshots: they're not found in the launcher, they need to be downloaded from minecraft.net, they're forks of existing versions, and are mostly not compatible with other releases.

Affected pages: Category:Java Edition Combat Tests snapshots.

Deadline: March 26, 2022. – Unsigned comment added by Spectrogram (talk • contribs) at 05:11, 14 March 2022 (UTC). Sign comments with


 * - they are explicitly not referred to as experimental snapshots. BDJP (t 15:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * They were never snapshots, but they are also not experimental snapshots. I would be with putting them to "Tests" category.
 * Additionally, for removing their reference from main page's "Development versions" section (they seem to be long dead) and removing the section in Java Edition versions. Instead, there should be a link to the general page at the top of the infobox.--TreeIsLife (talk) 15:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Technoblade
Should we have a page about Technoblade? Mojang actually added a reference to him and he was quite a famous YouTuber. The word 'Technoblade' only appears on the Easter Eggs page, which I don't think is enough. I'm not gonna create the page straight away in case I am actually wrong. Sausagea1000 (talk) 17:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't have pages on content creators or really community stuff in general, if we had a page for Technoblade then I think it becomes a tricky question of who else in the Minecraft community should get their own articles. – Sonicwave talk  06:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia already has a good article on Technoblade. There isn't really a need for duplicate content here. Amatulic (talk) 01:05, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Technoblade isn't the only YouTuber that has been referenced in game. I'm pretty sure in the console edition tutorial worlds there is a recreation of Stampylonghead's house along with the names of other prominent at the time YouTubers in the love garden. James Haydon (talk) 04:14, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Shared Images Respository with the Galaxite Wiki
Hello, I am from the official Galaxite Wiki and we would like to make a shared images repository with the Minecraft Wiki (MCW). However, this community needs support for this desicion so please tell us if you like the idea (as you can do by replying to this). Just to make things clear, this image sharing will not make the MCW more cluttered as it only takes images from the MCW and lets the Galaxite Wiki use them but does not take images from the Galaxite Wiki and put it onto the MCW. – Unsigned comment added by ThatJadon26 (talk • contribs) at 21:18, 9 July 2022 (UTC). Sign comments with


 * I personally don't see any issues with this. Several other wikis such as https://aether.fandom.com also use MCW as an image repo and I don't recall it causing issues. The difference with language wikis that use EN as a file repo is that the latter copy over entire articles from the English wiki with screenshots that later get abandoned, leaving lots of old screenshots that then need to be checked when renaming or deleting them on EN. I imagine the Galaxite wiki will mostly use "standard" images like items and blocks, which already have established naming formats and shouldn't be moved around as much. – Sonicwave talk  21:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

More admins (2022)
I'd like to again bring up the discussion of promoting more admins on this wiki. Apart from BDJP (who was promoted after a similar discussion last year), most of the admins including myself aren't particularly active, and some non-vandalism related admin actions such as CSS fixes seem to take a while to be noticed. I don't think our current situation with just 1 or 2 active admins is enough to handle all of the workload on the wiki, nor healthy to prevent burnout.

To start off, I'd like to suggest and  as candidates. JEC has been around the wiki for a long time, starting around the same time as myself, and I don't recall them having gotten into any conflicts over the years. They are very active in fighting vandalism and I think they'll be of valuable help in that regard. Amatulic has also been consistently active for several years and is very communicative, explaining the majority of his edits/reverts as far as I can tell and both presenting and addressing concerns on talk pages. One of my main concerns (not only here, but also other wikis and online communities in general) is with biting new and inexperienced editors, whether intentionally or not, and discouraging them from making future contributions or remaining in the community. I believe that both JEC and Amatulic will be able to assist with vandalism fighting and other admin tasks without doing so, and will be helpful additions to the admin team overall.

If anyone has concerns or feedback on these two editors or have other candidates (including themselves) that they believe to be a good fit, please do discuss here. Also, if either Amatulic, JEC, or anyone else who may be named in this discussion do not wish to have admin rights, feel free to state so. However, I'd say that adminship should be thought of less as an obligation and more of a set of additional privileges that the community trusts you to have; and in a similar vein we shouldn't discourage promoting more admins that we believe have what it takes, just because there are certain number of them already. – Sonicwave talk  01:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't mind taking the role, although I thought we already had enough admins here.
 * If it matters, I've been an admin on Wikipedia for 11 years, so I'm familiar with the additional tools. The admin workload on the Minecraft wiki shouldn't be a significant increase. I check in in almost every day, although most of my activity recently has been page patrolling and minor improvements. I'm not perfect, I do make errors in judgment at times, but I also welcome others pointing out when I mess up.
 * As for other candidates, I assumed JEC6789 was already an admin here, and was surprised just now to learn that isn't the case. I second the motion. Amatulic (talk) 01:39, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * One other thing I should mention: while it shouldn't be necessary for admins for participate in the Discord (like with normal editors), we do have private channels for admins and directors, as mentioned on the Discord page. These channels aren't especially active but do get used from time to time to discuss wiki moderation, as well as communicating with Fandom staff and SOAP. There would be no obligation to moderate or otherwise participate in the Discord server itself, as the actual server moderator role is separate from the admin role for this exact reason. – Sonicwave talk  05:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I joined the Minecraft Discord a while back but didn't see the value in it, so I haven't been back. That might change if my role here changes. Amatulic (talk) 05:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Might have time to write a longer response this weekend, but in short, I myself being given admin rights, and I still  Amatulic getting admin rights – JEC talk  @ 04:09, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * As General Sherman supposedly said, "if nominated I will not accept, if elected I will not serve."
 * Well, I still support giving you the rights. There is no harm in an experienced editor using admin tools only occasionally. There isn't an obligation to use the admin tools, but they are nice to have when a need arises. The point isn't to draft you into a new job, but to give you access to tools that you can be trusted to use responsibly. Amatulic (talk) 05:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know if I should suggest myself, but my favorite wiki tasks are template, css and js fixing, which is needed as mentioned by Sonicwave above. Was previously suggested here. - Magiczocker (talk) 06:06, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I Magiczocker for admin. Especially if you can fix the popups tool that broke in the recent update (no more "patrol this page" option appears). I've been told some css and js can't be fixed though, and would need to be done by fandom.
 * A possible other candidate might be User:Fadyblok240. Amatulic (talk) 06:19, 15 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I'd support Amatulic. From what I've seen of his contributions, I definitely think he'd be a net positive as an administrator. I also support Magiczocker, as I feel like with Majr inactive/demoted it would be useful to have someone new who is knowledgeable of CSS and JS.


 * JEC seems like a good candidate as well, but if he's really that strongly opposed then oh well. Madminecrafter12 (talk) 03:58, 16 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Amatulic. Magiczocker.  JEC6789, conditional on them continuing to oppose being given the right; I do not believe it's appropriate to assign special permissions to anyone against their express wishes, even considering various possibilities of whether they will actually use such permissions. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 04:56, 16 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I support Magiczocker as well. He's also been on this wiki for several years (to where I think he's familiar with how it operates) and has already assisted with moderation through his SOAP rights, but giving him admin will allow him to do non-vandalism-related admin tasks as well.
 * I do have some reservations about Fadyblok however. They seem to largely focus on the maintenance side of the wiki, but I'm concerned that it may get a bit excessive at times. On several occasions they have introduced guidelines or other administrative changes without discussion, including this edit on the talk guidelines (which I just noticed when reviewing their edits); and brought over templates/modules from Wikipedia such as Module:TwitterSnowflake (dependent on Module:Date, also from WP) and Module:Redirect, which I think aren't strictly necessary and tend to introduce unnecessary complexity on this wiki. Granted, I think the latter is a bit less common now than in previous years, but it still makes me hesitant about him potentially doing the same with the site CSS/JS.
 * As for JEC, I definitely agree that they should not be given admin rights if they do not want them, though I'm not sure if that's being implied here. I do think they can get the patroller right at least (if they're fine with it), as it hardly carries any additional permissions, but can make rolling back edits quicker and speed up Recent Changes patrolling by distinguishing edits that other patrollers and admins have already patrolled. – Sonicwave talk  06:09, 16 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Amatulic and Magiczocker, per above. TheGreatSpring (talk | contribs) (Tagalog translation) 06:11, 16 July 2022 (UTC)


 * When this discussion started User:NineTreyBlud had been inactive for over a year, which is what prevented me from mentioning that user as a potential admin. Now NineTreyBlud is back, so I suggest him for consideration as a candidate for administrator. Amatulic (talk) 23:36, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm personally not sure about NineTreyBlud yet, as I had some concerns over him in the past (mainly regarding civility and dealing with problematic users); although looking back it seems most of the instances took place in Discord or were on-wiki issues that were addressed there as opposed to talk pages. Since he has only been back for about a week, it's hard for me to form an opinion based on his recent activity. – Sonicwave talk  06:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to pop in here and say I hope this is acted on soon, especially if you can find people who are active around this time (it's about midnight PST here). We had someone rearranging page text all over the place and it was pretty tough to keep up and clean up behind them. Fortunately BDJP popped on and finally blocked them. So more admins would definitely be appreciated and the sooner the better :-). - AD OffKilter (talk) 07:23, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah IK I am late to this, but I don't mind still being patroller, seeing that I only came back to edit on the MCD wiki. James Haydon (talk) 21:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Because this discussion has been inactive for a few days and there seems to be overwhelming support for Amatulic and magiczocker, I have administrator rights to both of them. Personally, I would be weakly opposed to promoting NineTreyBlud and Fadyblok. The issues raised above are very valid, and with the promotion of two active admins, I feel like we don't need more unless they're just outstanding candidates. Madminecrafter12 (talk) 14:52, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * myself. TheGreatSpring (talk | contribs) 00:30, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Content moderator revisit
Whatever happened to the proposal to create a "content moderator" role, with some admin rights but not all of them? Thejoaqui777 proposed this last year but it didn't seem to go anywhere. This role exists on other wikis. A content moderator would have patroller rights and can do things like rename pages over redirects, protect pages, unprotect pages, but cannot edit admin-only pages, block users, or grant user rights. I still think it's a great idea, and I can think of several editors who would be good content moderators. Even JEC6789, who doesn't want to be an admin, might be willing to have the rights of a content moderator. Amatulic (talk) 05:33, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The userbase then didn't like it because they said that if someone has these permissions why wouldn't be trusted to be an admin, and also because it's a Fandom-made user group. I think we could also revisit the idea here because, for example, the group works well for us on es:Minecraft Wiki, where I mainly edit (hence why I didn't comment yet to the more admins proposal), so we maybe should try to get more opinions. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 05:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I still tend to think that the content moderator role is similar enough to admin that you might as well give them the admin role instead. According to the Fandom help page and Special:ListGroupRights, the only real rights admins have over content moderators are blocking users (content moderators can edit admin-protected pages) and editing abuse filters, CSS/JS and MediaWiki pages. The only user right admins can give is autopatrol as we use Patrollers (which only bureaucrats can grant) instead of rollback, although I wonder if the former could be changed so admins could grant it as well. Editing abuse filters and MediaWiki pages is a rare use-case, so the main difference would be the ability to block users. I can see that being a touchier right to have than deleting or protecting pages, but that alone isn't worth introducing another user group in my opinion.
 * A separate content moderator role might make more sense on wikis that also have article comments or the Discussions feature enabled, where Content and Discussion moderators are two separate roles with admin being a combination of the two (along with its own extra rights). – Sonicwave talk  05:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If I may chip in from basically retirement - I support Sonicwave's assessment of the situation (therefore an ). Besides, I think it adds a useless extra layer of bureaucracy for something that's already fairly slow and bureaucracy-heavy, having been around for a fair number of years. The new 'worst case' of escalation would be editor -> CM -> admin or bureaucrat -> , while currently it's editor -> admin or bureaucrat -> . It's also quite pointless to create a new role (basically admin light packaged in the fancy marketing term content moderator) for someone who has declined to be admin. DarkShadowTNT (talk) 03:44, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * . I generally agree with Sonicwave's and DarkShadow's comments. There are several things I believe every serious wiki-wide proposal needs: 1) a description of a current problem; 2) a proposed solution; 3) an explanation of how the solution actually addresses the problem; and 4) at least some assessment of risks and drawbacks. I only see (2) here. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 05:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I understand the situation now. I withdraw the suggestion. Amatulic (talk) 06:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Minecraft Legends wiki project
I was wondering if we could start up a project for a wiki about the upcoming Minecraft Legends game. I am aware we have little information about this game but incase we get more leaks in the future we should plan to create a wiki for this game. This was done for Mojang's previous two spinoff titles (Minecraft Earth, Minecraft Dungeons, Minecraft: Story Mode). James Haydon (talk) 00:56, 27 August 2022 (UTC)


 * , but only as project in MCW:Projects for now. Also on Fandom's support page, it says max 3 custom NS are permitted, so we may have to cancel one of the NS, MCE or MCSM. --TreeIsLife (talk) 20:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Per Fandom Staff, the limit only applies to non-content NS (like Forums), so in other words, we can request more content ones. --TreeIsLife (talk) 20:42, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I it being on MCW:Projects for now since it's small information, but I would support a new namespace too. We don't lose anything if we ask them if we can have more than 3, anyway. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 01:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay is gonna contact a Fandom staff member in regards to the creation of a new MCL namespace, but some people (I.E. ) think that there isn't enough info on the game yet for a full blown namespace. James Haydon (talk) 21:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Questions to Fandom staff
Next Tuesday, September 6th at 18:00-19:00 UTC, the admins/directors of all of the language wikis will participate in a roundtable with Fandom staff on a private channel in the wiki Discord. While the meeting itself is limited to admins and directors as requested by staff, we are free to share the discussion with the wider community. So please feel free to post any concerns or discussion topics here to be brought up during the meeting, and we'll try to keep this topic updated with the responses. – Sonicwave talk  20:22, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * This probably isn't important, but WikiPoints are completely broken. I've noticed that the points of every single user keep decreasing every couple of hours. Here are some examples of this issue over time: https://web.archive.org/web/20220705201052/https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Special:WikiPoints

https://web.archive.org/web/20220819230534/https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Special:WikiPoints
 * Currently: https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Special:WikiPoints

I also found an administrator with  negative  points. https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/UserProfile:BDJP007301 This should be impossible, so WikiPoints are obviously completely broken. Minermatt122514 (talk) 16:01, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That is a known issue and is being solved (for some months lol) --TreeIsLife (talk) 16:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * For the record, has compiled all of the questions and answers from the discussion in this Google document. – Sonicwave  talk  21:04, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

How are people making perfect animated isometric renders?
I have that mod "isorender", which is an amazing mod, and was able to make beautiful images with it, but I'm seeing other images that have not only isometric views, but flawless animations as well. What programs are people using to pull that off? For example, I'm seeing one of the Warden's idle animations on its respective page. There's also another of a villager shaking and sweating. I need to know what people are using to be able to make those .gifs. --XZippy (talk) 19:13, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Minecraft Wiki talk:Community portal/Archive 35 Wasn't this enough? I am closing this. --TreeIsLife (talk) 19:22, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * (Reopened the topic, I don't think it should have been closed this early since it's specifically referring to animated mobs, which is different than the linked topic) — There's some instructions at MCW:Standardized views, however I don't think all of the renders were created following them exactly; for example, User:Pneuma01 who created many animated renders uses their own method which may be mentioned on their talk page. – Sonicwave talk  21:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've read through his entire talk page, and I'm just getting bits and pieces of his process. It's been a while since I've studied Java, so I don't know if I can move up to his level. It's a shame, I really wanted to help the wiki. At least I can still provide static iso renders and animations/recordings of MC gameplay with proper camera mods, but I can't do what Pneuma does. It's a shame he doesn't provide a tutorial, because I'd kill for one. --XZippy (talk) 00:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

New Autopatrol Candidate
I have patroller a lot of edits from the user and they seem to be a very constructive user. They have added Bedrock Edition sounds for numerous pages and have done several other major constructive things. I don't want to keep having to patrol their edits so if any admin wants to give them autopatrol then by all means do so. James Haydon (talk) 21:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * . BDJP (t 16:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :D - CrowdingFaun624 (talk) 19:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Another Candidate for Autopatrol
seems like a very good faith editor. They already have made well over 4,000 edits, so I say it's time they should have autopatrol. James Haydon (talk) 18:38, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposal: delete old add-on tutorials
I've started a discussing here but little seemed to notice, so I'm posting a link here in hopes of a more active discussion Madman1995 (talk) 20:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I am not even sure, if we even have those. I rememember having them mass deleted and later I proposed a change to move official pages out of the main namespace to Minecraft Wiki (Project) namespace. But I deleting them --TreeIsLife (talk) 21:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Minceraft Title.
Yeah. 1/10000 chance for minecraft's title to read minceraft. well.. IT HAPPENED TWICE IN A ROW FOR ME.

if my calculator wasn't an idiot, THATS A 1 in 100,000,000 CHANCE.

Should i try the lottery!?

Separate Wikis for Legends and Dungeons
With Legends coming very soon, I wanted to open this discussion again.

I don't think this wiki should hold every game in the Minecraft franchise, right now I think it's okay to have all the games here, but with Legends and most likely more spin-offs in the future, this wiki is going to become incredibly cluttered with five different games in one wiki. All of these games are incredibly different from each other, the only similarity is that they are minecraft games.

This tweet by Marc Watson (a developer for Dungeons) is also pretty telling, even a developer has complained about it https://mobile.twitter.com/Marc_IRL/status/1425440132807680005. I understand this tweet is old, however nothing has changed since the tweet's creation, so it still applies.

I only mention Legends and Dungeons in the topic title as I believe they are top priority if we are to move other games to separate wikis. Ideally, all games should have their own wikis, but Earth and Story Mode are discontinued games, so I don't think they're as important to move. Also because I imagine it would be hard to find people to manage those two wikis, I very rarely see any edits on either of those namespaces. HMPilatus (talk) 11:35, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * , but
 * The new wiki has to have "Hydra features" enabled
 * The new wiki should have dicussions turned off by default
 * There should be some sort of "alliance" between MCW, MCD Wiki, MCL Wiki, FTB Wiki and MC Servers Wiki
 * And of course, there should be some more promotion of MCSM and MCE subwikis here.
 * --TreeIsLife (talk) 12:38, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * "this wiki is going to become incredibly cluttered with five different games in one wiki" -> What do you mean by "cluttered", and what actual problems does it cause?
 * "This tweet by Marc Watson (a developer for Dungeons) is also pretty telling" -> On a single occasion, a developer tweeted that, using internal wiki search on default settings, Dungeons entries come second after main game entries. To my knowledge, this is a very uncommon use case; the primary navigation method for readers is external search. It hardly justifies an extensive effort such as a wiki split. As well, if such an issue with internal search is worthy of consideration, there is no state of a wiki, or a pair of wikis, where no such issue arises. On a united wiki, either Dungeons or main game results come first. In case the wikis get split, people might still expect to find spin-off game content here, but would either find non-functional soft redirects, or nothing at all.
 * There are no other arguments presented in favor of an external wiki.
 * I believe there is no way to enable any "Hydra features" on new wikis. I am also not sure these are relevant, given how it's likely further unification would erase all differences in software configuration between Gamepedia-original and other wikis.
 * I am not sure a request to disable Discussions would be approved by staff. Please correct me if recent Discussions updates have changed things around this.
 * I am not sure why any "alliance" is suggested, what kind of structure it is supposed to have, what problems it is supposed to address to justify its operational costs, and why it is believed an alliance is necessary and effective at solving these problems.
 * I am not sure more promotion of abandonware is a useful idea, given the presumably lower reader interest in these topics; furthermore, I am not sure it is within the scope of this conversation, and regardless of that, without any specific ideas of "further promotion", no action can be taken.
 * Points against a separate wiki:
 * A separate wiki would require duplicating a significant part of the support structure (policies, admin and patrol teams, templates and modules, CSS and JS, abuse filters, and probably others). This would also require requests to staff to enable the relevant configuration (sitewide JS and abuse filters are disabled on new wikis by default; the future of mobile CSS is uncertain).
 * A separate wiki would not carry the authority of a merged wiki.
 * A unified wiki makes it easier for the editor community to be united and is less conducive to factionalism.
 * In particular, the technical and SEO considerations of moving existing, maintained, and non-duplicative content to a separate wiki should be evaluated with staff assistance.
 * --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 13:26, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * So few comments about your points
 * So few comments about your points


 * 3 - So what will happen, if we keep adding new namespaces. You see, there'll eventually come a time, when we won't be able to create a new NS due to some reason. That means will have to either a) remove the old subwikis or b) make separate wikis anyway. I am sure this isn't the last discussion about this, whenever the separate wikis will be created or not.
 * 4 - if you read a blog about FandomDesktop, you would find a section about the Gamepedia legacy badge, which "would be toggled by a staff setting". This staff setting actually does much more, than just add a badge. Thanks to it, this wiki can have FandomMobile.css to load at least, can have Gamepedia-specific extensions, user profiles and achievements.
 * 6 - it would be some sort of cooperation on a much higher level, than the current MCW-FTB partnership (which is just Xbony, who is BTW not in MCW server any longer). That should solve your issues 8.1 and 8.2.
 * 7 - for example, an anonnotice, which would list these wikis.
 * Not sure about the 5th point though. I hope it would be possible.--TreeIsLife (talk) 16:36, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 3 - I am not sure why you believe such a reason is more than hypothetical. As I understand, MediaWiki theoretically supports a lot more namespaces than we currently use; I suspect the most likely obstacle is Fandom staff choosing not to add further namespaces even upon our request, and even that seems very unlikely to me. As well, you're missing the option of using a non-namespace based content structure (such as a subpage-based one).
 * 4 - I find it very unlikely the "Gamepedia-original" setting would be toggled for a new wiki, even if that new wiki is a split-off part of a Gamepedia-original wiki. As I understand, this setting wouldn't be toggled for a new non-English wiki, for example.
 * 6 - I'm looking for a more detailed specification. Your baseline is "one person who isn't even in our Discord server anymore"; it's basically one step above "not even a concept we recognize". It wouldn't be hard to beat that.
 * 7 - That appears possible to implement in theory, though I doubt a banner is as effective as one might think; its effectiveness is likely to be undermined by banner blindness. Good social network outreach might be a better option, but I'm not sure we even have social network outreach.
 * --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 17:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

per AttemptToCalNil. BDJP (t 15:42, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

From an outside perspective (as is probably demonstrated by the fact that this is my first post on a talk page), I've found it to be a bit annoying to use the wiki with all the different games on it. For a single page search it works wonderfully, but as soon as I start to search on fandom rather than from an outside search engine it becomes a bit of a drag to sort through which game I want or don't want. Now, I'm quite sure that there is a way to search better, but I don't know how and I can't imagine most users would either. Let's just say it isn't the best user experience when the best way to search the site is by opening a new tab and searching straight from a search engine. Another example is the "random page" function; if I want to just browse to try and find something new about the game it takes 4-5 tries before I get a page about the game I want (in this case, Minecraft java).

I won't pretend I know anything about the logistics of moving a bunch of stuff around (again, new here) but the way it is now the user experience is rather limited. Even if we don't actually split the wiki, I wonder if there is a way to separate the pages more cleanly. Ishbosheth (talk) 19:26, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * For internal search, if you're going to the separate search page rather than just using the search pop-up, you should be able to use namespace selection by selecting "Advanced" (right of the search bar on the page) to exclude/include specific game-associated namespaces. The random page feature is known to support rather limited configuration. There is no "random in namespace", so the best you can do is probably Special:RandomInCategory/Minecraft_Dungeons (which still isn't all MCD articles; it might be possible to include all MCD articles in a separate hidden category to allow that special page to work without that limitation).
 * And yes, moving pages around en masse is rather discouraged, given how Google (and other external search engines) take their time to adapt to large-scale changes. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 20:54, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * This is what I mean by the wiki becoming cluttered. As Ishbosheth said, and as the tweet I linked to said (and I'm sure there's more than just these two people that have had problems with it), the multiple namespaces make searching internally a pain. If searching is already a problem it will be a much bigger problem if there is then also a Legends namespace, or a sixth namespace. Advanced options exist but they're seemingly not being used. Separate wikis solve the search problem, search engines may take some time to adapt, but once they have the problem will be solved. Overall I think that the work required to separate the Wikis would be worth it, the purpose of a wiki is to provide information for readers, creating separate wikis benefits the readers. While yes you are correct some users may be confused that namespace pages are no longer present, that is a minor and temporary problem that will solve itself compared to the current more permanent problem.


 * Also, in the case of Legends, we wouldn't have to move any pages if we were to create its own wiki now. It is inevitable that at least some separate wikis will have to be made in the future (putting an entire game under sub-pages doesn't sound like a good idea) as it is likely more spin-off games will be made in some years, so starting with Legends would be a good idea.


 * I also don't think this wiki should be a franchise wiki in the first place, none of these games are anything like one another, if these games were Minecraft 1 Minecraft 2 Minecraft 3 then it would make sense to have them on one wiki but they are not. Also, separate wikis solves the issue of all namespace pages having Minecraft GameName: in front of their name, obviously this is not a main point its just something to note. --HMPilatus (talk) 22:22, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I am not sure about the emphasis on internal search. Based on information I was previously presented by Fandom, it is mostly used by advanced users, and much less by regular readers. According to Fandom, most readers come from external search engines.
 * I suspect if advanced options are not used, but would have helped, it's generally because it's not very apparent that they can be used for that purpose.
 * For search engines, as I understand, the damage to rankings can be hard or impossible to reverse, especially given how association with an established wiki tends to contribute positively to rankings. (Conversely, lack of such association would contribute negatively.)
 * Is there any other way separate wikis benefit the readers other than internal search difficulties and random page selection quirks? (Both cause problems mostly for rather advanced use cases.)
 * I suspected the "lack of other-game pages" confusion to be permanent, rather than a short-term effect. As I thought, simply based on the idea that a "Minecraft" wiki would also cover spin-offs, people might reasonably expect to find spin-off content here, and if the wiki were to be split, that assumption would not hold.
 * What makes you think it's "inevitable" that new wikis will actually be required? The scenarios previously presented are purely hypothetical; there is nothing that suggests any probable hard requirement to create new wikis in the future.
 * Why do you call the namespace in front of the name an issue? --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 04:09, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Extra note for those who want random pages in a specific namespace: you can do this, somewhat, but it's a bit convoluted. See the code in Special:Diff/2215657? You could place something like that on a user subpage. However, it is cached internally, so refreshing the page will not change the list. If you, however, select the "Purge" option from the three-dot menu (on FandomDesktop) and confirm the page cache purge, you should see a new list. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 07:17, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

1.20 Guide
Can anyone create a 1.20 guide sandbox?119.236.254.162 15:00, 23 January 2023 (UTC)