Minecraft Wiki:Admin noticeboard

Block _________.
Reopening this on the bottom because it's hard to track with the waves of discussions. (old link MCW:Admin noticeboard)---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 19:17, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe we could have an admin noticeboard subpage for requests that shouldn't be more complex than "block this person - done/not needed"? --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 20:01, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I requested this in this talk page, waiting for any discussion to pop up.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 20:06, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Block
 * 1) https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/UserProfile:VegetaGuyTheTrollerIsBack, sockpuppet
 * 2) https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/UserProfile:YouCantStopVegetaTheTroller, sockpuppet, also protect Rana
 * 3) Hes quite dedicated gotta say, i think that is his 20th sockpuppet account.James Haydon (talk) 04:07, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 4) Specifically (including original), 14 accounts, the alexander guy has 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7?---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 20:40, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 5) https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/UserProfile:Alexander_ferland, sockpuppet of https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/UserProfile:Alexander344
 * 6) https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Special:Contributions/105.186.90.113 they still did vandalism
 * 7) https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/UserProfile:HumieBeeIsATwat, this could be a personal attack (look at name) and also they did vandalism.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 22:03, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * 8) https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Special:Contributions/47.28.13.251 as they do consistsnt vandalism.
 * 9)  as they are a long time vandal and have started to cause mischief agian
 * 10)  sockpuppet vandal, block them for a year to stop disruption.
 * , despite giving them warnings, they continue to add false info, reverted like 10 times.
 * 1) Note:Most likely sockpuppet of
 * , gave 5 warnings, did not listen and continues to vandalize.
 * 1) https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Special:Contributions/68.146.59.48 vandal James Haydon (talk) 17:10, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Why does MCT:Community portal/Archive 28 exist?
Looking at the dates, they conflict with archive 26-27 (Archive 26 is Q1 and 2 of 2019, 27 is Q3 & 4, 28 is 2019 (whole year). Why? Delete Archive 28, place the contents of 28 to 26 & 27 and move 29 to 28 excluding July fowards (2 half of 2020).---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 23:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you looking at the end dates? They should all be separate.  Nixinova   T   C   23:29, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The end date is Dec for 27 and 28, 26 is middle of the year.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 23:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you!---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 20:37, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Removing a section from "Java Edition 1.16.3 Release Candidate 1"
Trying to remove a section from "Java Edition 1.16.3 Release Candidate 1" failed due to "New User" or something. I sujest you remove this from said page, as SlicedSlime is unlikely to make a video.


 * == Video ==
 * Video made by slicedlime:
 * Video made by slicedlime:

190.164.221.154 14:50, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

PS: How do you comment out code?
 * I removed it. The code was commented properly, using . ~ Amatulic (talk) 15:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Ban request 47.28.13.251
Repeated vandalism on Java Edition 1.16.3. 82.102.22.60 01:46, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * by Nixinova TheGreatSpring (talk) 02:13, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Create File:Invisible Bedrock.png
Can someone create it as a redirect to File:Blank.png? It was protected from creation because of repetative re-creation---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 00:14, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Done  Nixinova   T   C   00:35, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Improved styling for hatnotes
I've noticed that there is unnecessary whitespace between and after hatnotes. I created a common.css and a version of hatnote that I improved by decreasing line spacing between hatnotes and also improving the use of italics. Both pages I want to change are protected. Fadyblok240 (talk) 13:40, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Need to be updated Winter wiki.png
I found a new texture version when I was on the Chinese wiki, and the English wiki is the old texture. Need to be updated.--  Duowan channel （T&C） 06:27, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I prefer the old texture, though ill need a comparison. James Haydon (talk) 02:56, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * However, it must be updated to a new texture.-- xiaoyinface.png  Duowan channel </b>（T&C） 07:14, 16 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Winter wiki.png to update this file, refer to Chinese wiki.-- xiaoyinface.png  Duowan channel </b>（T&C） 14:11, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the current winter wiki logo over here looks weird, and the stone background in the Chinese wiki is also updated. Here's a comparison table between those:
 * {|class="wikitable"

!Image !In English Wiki !In Chinese Wiki !Winter wiki.png ! ! !Background.png ! ! !Background HiDPI.png ! !
 * }
 * – Unavailablehoax (talk) 09:59, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I dont think it looks weird, i just think the new textures look too smooth. James Haydon (talk) 19:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Which one are you referring to as weird? I think the winter logo in the English Wiki looks weird. – Unavailablehoax (talk) 03:21, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Living on the California coast, any "winter" theme logo looks weird. And it would also for the entire population south of the equator. ~ Amatulic (talk) 21:01, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * While it may not be enabled globally for everyone on the wiki, users may still wish to enable such a theme themselves.
 * Is there any other textures outdated? Such as the dirt/grass blocks on the background and tabs? Dhranios (talk) 14:45, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thee grass texture is overly outdated, switching to the newest grass texture makes the header look a bit weird though. As for the Minecraft Chinese Wiki background, I personally think it's slightly too bright. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 12:02, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The grass texture could be tinted to look as bright green. The grass header was actually made in 2012, after grass was made less green since 2010. – Unavailablehoax (talk) 14:23, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Changes to "Useful pages" list in wiki sidebar
I have two changes proposed to the "Useful pages" list in the sidebar of the wiki to the left, if it is possible to implement.
 * 1) Change the link texts of "Resource pack" and "Redstone circuit" to plural form, for consistency to the other links in the list and the links from "Popular and useful pages" on the main page.
 * 2) Exchange some links from the sidebar "Useful pages" and the main page "Popular and useful pages" that one or the other does not already have. I'm not gonna specify any links myself because I haven't thought it through, but you can discuss it if needed.

In my opinion, suggestion 1 should be implemented regardless. 82.102.22.7 02:05, 16 September 2020 (UTC)


 * suggestion 1, as it seems pretty straightforward and non-controversial. Doing the later sounds like a good idea to me, but I'd be interested to see what other people think and what exact links should be added and removed to/from both of the lists. --Madminecrafter12 (Talk to me 15:46, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Block https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Special:Contributions/86.99.111.237
Block them because they did vandalism on minecraft dungeons pages TheGreatSpring (talk) 04:25, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * They seem to have stopped for now, but they probably changed ip's though. James Haydon (talk) 19:07, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi protect Splash
A week ago User:Nixinova protected Splash for a week, but the disruption resumed after the protection lifted, and one anon is currently edit-warring about it. There is talk page discussion about this too, with the anon basically stating an intent to continue disruption. I recommend semi-protection at least until the US federal election is over on 3 November. ~ Amatulic (talk) 23:48, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Semi-protection would probably not work, they'll just keep registering accounts. Other measures to handle this are being taken. --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 00:15, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Late addition. Semi-protection is back though. --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 00:15, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Amatulic (talk) 00:22, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Protection is now full until Sep 27, but i think that they will still be coming back. James Haydon (talk) 03:59, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems like semi protection would have been sufficient to prevent anonymous IP addresses and brand-new accounts from editing. Does semi work differently here compared to Wikipedia? ~ Amatulic (talk) 06:05, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Semi = registered on Gamepedia, annoyingly.  Nixinova </b>  T </b>  C </b></b>  06:11, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Huh. Isn't there a means of protection here that imposes an age and activity threshold? On the English Wikipedia where I'm an admin, "semi" protects against registered accounts that are less than 5 days old OR have less than 10 edits. We also have "extended confirmed", which protects against registered accounts less than 30 days old OR have less than 500 edits. And of course full protection. Oh, and there's another one called "pending changes protection" that I rarely use because I regard it as useless; it's weaker than semi, letting anybody edit but not making that edit visible publicly until a user with the "reviewer" right approves the change (as far as I've seen, this protection level just creates more work for others). ~ Amatulic (talk) 06:30, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Correction, 3 days for autoconfirmed---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 19:52, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Here or Wikipedia? Autoconfirmation on Wikipedia happens on the 5th day or 10th edit, whichever comes later. ~ Amatulic (talk) 21:45, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No, it's not 5 days, it is 3, also both are required, see WP:autoconfirm, and I mean wikipedia---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 21:47, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, they changed it to 4 days :P---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 21:50, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Here on Gamepedia users become autoconfirmed upon registering, so semi-protection allows all accounts to edit. If I recall correctly, you can't directly add a protection level that restricts editing to a custom user group; that is, we would not be able to have autopatrol protection or patroller protection. A possible but not very practical solution would be to use abuse filters. --Madminecrafter12 (Talk to me 15:41, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * @Madminecrafter12, how did the directors protection come up then? idk if i'm missing something though---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 19:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Block 120.29.116.104
keeps re-adding a personal off-topic video to Bedrock Edition 1.12.0, and won't stop. I'm not used to the blocking procedure here; are there warning templates we need to apply to a user's talk page before blocking, like we do on Wikipedia? ~ Amatulic (talk) 06:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * They don't need to be applied, but there's a list here: Category:Talk page templates.  Nixinova </b>  T </b>  C </b></b>  06:12, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The user seems to have stopped. Either they gave up, or saw the note I left on the user's talk page. ~ Amatulic (talk) 06:20, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

The Wolf page keeps repeatedly getting bombed by ip addresses
The Wolf page has been vandalized at least 8 times since August. It still keeps getting bombed every few days. Consider semi protecting? Blockofnetherite Talk Contributions 00:17, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , $1/4$ of ip edits are constructive while the other $3/4$ are vandalism, does this warrent protection?---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 19:44, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * A lot of the edits are not necessarily vandalism but rather editorializing and other forms of disruptive edits. There also seem to have been several constructive IP edits in the last month, and the most recent case of vandalism was actually from a registered user, which semi-protection would not be effective against. I'll wait a week or so and if there's a significant amount of disruptive editing by unregistered users in that time I'll protect for a month or so, otherwise leave it alone.--Madminecrafter12 (Talk to me 16:09, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Move File:File 123123.png to File:123123.png
123123.png is a name of ,presumably, screenshot from test of crafting system, founded in Pocket Edition v0.3.0 - v0.3.2 alpha. More about file here: Bedrock_Edition_removed_features. Deshman-gpuser (talk) 06:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)


 * , but in the future you can actually perform an uncontroversial move such as that yourself; moving a page, unless restricted technically (which does happen occasionally), does not require admin intervention.--Madminecrafter12 (Talk to me 16:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Protect https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Superflat
Protect it because an IP adress put 30 TheGreatSpring (talk) 11:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Protected so only registered users can edit it for 1 month. --Madminecrafter12 (Talk to me 15:36, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Protect Minecraft Dungeons: Hex
Protect it because of vandals TheGreatSpring (talk) 06:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It is only one user, so it would probably be easier to block them. (Special:Contributions/175.138.208.197) --HNaledi123 (talk) 07:33, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * They looked like they stopped editing, so there is no need yet. James Haydon (talk) 01:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Block
They added false info on Village and Food. Fadyblok240 (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * by . James Haydon (talk) 19:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Protect 1.16.3
Looking at the edit history of Java Edition 1.16.3, there has been a LOT, and I mean a LOT of vandalism. Can you put semi-protection for like 3 months and move (full) protection for 3 months as well?---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 15:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I recommend only 1 month, but ok--TreeIsLife (talk) 15:57, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Well... ever since Java Edition 1.16.3 Release Candidate 1 was released, that page has been flooded with vandalism so I guess maybe 1-3 months but still, put move protection as it has been moved before.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 15:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Protect Version history
I don't mean the disambig page, I mean Java Edition version history. Like it's dev subpage, it gets flooded with vandalism, can the page be re-indef protected? It's subpage got protected until 2021 for repetative inclusion of 1.17 versions however the same is happening to the parent page, please protect.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 22:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 *  Nixinova </b>  T </b>  C </b></b>  22:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

A request for MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown
My simple request is to change the deletion reason for fan communities from rule 5/6 to just rule 5 as rule 6 is about copying from a copyrighted source but that has nothing to do with rule 6.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 22:12, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * UPDATE! Change rule 7 to rule 6, and rule 8 to rule 7 to actually match the appropriate rule. Also, can you add a reason for deleting files ((actual) rule 8)---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 22:14, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 *  Nixinova </b>  T </b>  C </b></b>  22:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks!---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 23:36, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, add "Page dependent on a non-existent or deleted page" to replace "Talk page of deleted page", "Redirect to deleted page", and "Subpage of a deleted page". Fadyblok240 (talk) 05:17, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Prevent ip's from creating blank (talk) pages
I've seen 3 cases in the past week in which an ip just created a blank page, can you restirct this so that even new users can't do this as well (most likely an abuse filter that should do this)?---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 01:45, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-Protect Caves and Cliffs
THe new update –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.168.116.117 (talk) at 12:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC). Please sign your posts with
 * So? What do you want the admins to do? Blockofnetherite Talk Contributions 16:50, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps semiprotect the page along with Minecraft Live 2020 Fadyblok240 (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * . --Robotkoer (talk) 20:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * semi-protect. There are a couple of sections on Talk:Caves & Cliffs proposing semi-protection from users who don't know to post here. The comment from one anonymous IP editor, saying that he'd rather lose access than endure the vandalism, is telling. Amatulic (talk) 20:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Anon user that Amatulic mentioned beforehand (I need to get an account at some point :P), would like to point out semi-protecting Caves & Cliffs page would also help with the unnecessary speculating. Some of it is fine, but this is a wiki. Also, thanks Amatulic for pointing out where I was supposed to go! 108.193.129.103 22:42, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree, as one of the main editors on the Caves & Cliffs page, it would be quite helpful to semi-protect it.-Robonate135 (T C) 18:47, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Humiebee (talk) 19:52, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , there are so many low quality edits and personal speculation, which are a hassle to go through because of how many edits are made. Semi-protection would definitely filter the spontaneous editing from many anonymous users.  – Unavailablehoax (talk) 16:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , also reprotect Java Edition 1.17---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 14:21, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Protected the Caves and Cliffs page from IP edits for 2 weeks. As for 1.17 page, that hardly seems necessary, I don't see that page pop up like at all in the recent changes whenever I look. Dhranios (talk) 14:33, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Though fairly uncommon, the only edits to the page (most) since it's unprotection have been minor, disruptive, and undo/rollback edits.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 14:37, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Caves & Cliffs vandalism
There is a ton of vandalism going on the Caves & Cliffs page. --Illagercaptain (talk) 18:00, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Not surprised, its a brand new page so of course its going to happen. James Haydon (talk) 18:24, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Should it be semi-protected? It will very much help those of us who are actually trying t edit it, as well, in the future, should new update pages be semi-protected from the start?-Robonate135 (T C) 17:38, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

block https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Special:Contributions/Hhhhhh1252151215151
Hes attacking the Minecraft Earth:Mob page. James Haydon (talk) 18:52, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Indefinite block enacted. --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 18:56, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay can you restore the page now, its all gone. James Haydon (talk) 18:57, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I reverted the page to the last revision before the vandalism. --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 18:59, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay James Haydon (talk) 19:00, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Disruption by 105.184.149.171
keeps adding malformed sections full of redlinks and demanding that others clean it up. I'm trying to assume this is good faith but there is certainly an attitude problem. A short term block or page protection might help. Amatulic (talk) 16:53, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * by . James Haydon (talk) 00:42, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Can't fix mistake
I adjacently posted my report to a tock page twice and I can't fix it.--108.198.127.77 21:40, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I reverted your changes to Talk:Spawn Egg. Amatulic (talk) 03:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Remove protection from some old pages
These two:


 * Minecraft Wiki talk:Admin noticeboard/Archive 1
 * Minecraft Wiki talk:Issues/Xbox 360 Edition issues

are currently protected at admin level, unlike all other Issues pages. As such, neither the main nor talk page are editable and therefore I can't place an unprotect request template on the talk pages. Can the protection be removed from both of those? (It's already been pretty well established that removing protection from archive pages doesn't result in them receiving copious amounts of vandalism - from my memory no archive pages unprotected have received any disruptive edits at all, only maintenance edits, and there have been many cases of talk archives being without protection at least as far back as 2013 with no problematic behaviour occurring whatsoever.)

- User-12316399 (talk) 13:39, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Repeated annoyance by 100.14.32.218
keeps removing the conjecture tag to Candles on Caves & Cliffs, constantly refencing this tweet by, after repeatedly told that it is not an official source and not affiliated by Mojang. – Unavailablehoax (talk) 15:39, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Blocked for 3 days. – Sonicwave <sup style="color:#008FB2">talk   19:14, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Demote
This user has been inactive for almost 1 year, but he still has his admin and bureaucrat rank. I think maybe we should demote him/her of admin ranks because of inactivity. James Haydon (talk) 21:56, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * for now, BJLP came back, so could majr, wait until november (1 full calender yr since demotion)---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 02:13, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * for above reason. Who knows, Majr is still on the MCW discord and it can't be that bad to wait 33 days. Blockofnetherite Talk Contributions 02:39, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * per Humiebee. TheGreatSpring (talk) 02:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It appears this has already been done. Dhranios (talk) 14:41, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * by Madminecrafter12 and a staff member, see – Unavailablehoax (talk) 16:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Caves And Cliffs Work In Progress pages
I've been making pages on the Caves And Cliffs update, and I understand why they shouldn't be linked on the main Caves And Cliffs page. However, I feel that there should be a way to access work-in-progress pages on the caves and cliffs update.
 * WIP versions are on the redirect pages, such as Warden, just return to the warden page, and edit the info below the redirect. These pages are hidden, as per wiki rules, they shouldn't have articles yet until they appeared in public development versions. Dhranios (talk) 20:51, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Block https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Special:Contributions/99.62.77.47
He keeps adding speculation mobs like the piglin monstrosity and enderman brute. James Haydon (talk) 20:16, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * by ---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 15:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Block https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Special:Contributions/76.99.176.210
They did vandalism on the venom glaive page and vandalized quotes. James Haydon (talk) 18:35, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Block
They vandalized Bedrock Edition but they ignored my warning and continue to vandalize. The Great Spring (talk) 03:02, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * And also block them for indefinite. The Great Spring (talk) 03:40, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You should use user when reporting a user. – Unavailablehoax (talk) 03:42, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * by . James Haydon (talk) 22:06, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Demote
He has been inactive for 3 years and still has the directors rank somehow. James Haydon (talk) 23:09, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Also to a global bureucrat, revoke his bureucrat rights on dutch wiki.---HumiebeeDiscuss anything with me Look at my edits 01:10, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hes a bureaucrat on the nl wiki but only has one edit from 10 years ago, weird. James Haydon (talk) 01:12, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Block
The person keeps randomly removing massive chunks of Bedrock Edition and is most likely the same person as and, as they all have mobile edits and each account starts to vandalize after the previous account stops. – Unavailablehoax (talk) 15:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * A CheckUser check (not by me) confirmed all three are the same person, so I blocked the two not-blocked ones indefinitely. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 17:23, 20 October 2020 (UTC)