Talk:Tutorials/Griefing prevention

should be careful to keep this article NEUTRAL. Having an anti-greifer stance, while it is the opinion of most minecraft users, is not proper on a wiki. Remember this article is here for information purposes, it is not to help nor hinder griefing. --Peroggi 05:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Everything beyond the first paragraph should probably be culled for relevance then. It's not an explanation of griefing--it's a shopping list of things for griefers to do.  For example, "Social Engineering" isn't a type of griefing, it's a technique someone might use to further their goal of griefing.  "Sanding"?  Seriously?  ...and "time"?  They're all but saying "If you want to grief, simply wait until the admins aren't looking." --Dagmar d&#39;Surreal 20:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's also stupid, the way the bot section is formatted. It's typed like it's some sort of lore or something, and that's just retarded. Codyfun123 00:24, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

NPOV Stance of Text
It seems very pro-griefing to me. It does not list ways to fight it, but it does help give people who may want to know HOW to grief some valuable information. I formally request that this be given a NPOV stance is if fact that is the goal of the wiki, either through deletion of the non-wiki "tutorial" like content that makes up most of the page, or the addition of counter arguments and information on how to combat griefing. I also honestly dont think that you need such a long tutorial-like text to explain in a simple manner that greifing is anything done to piss people off or destroy their work. This reads like a list of game mechanics that can eb exploited, rather then a explanation of the word and its meaning. Feverdream

Etymology
I don't know where or why the word 'griefer' has it's definition on MC, but someone should know...

No, the term griefer is usually used to describe a person who causes another one grief, and is usually used in the context of a game. A griefer is usually someone who doesn't hack (but they can be a hacker), but uses some glitch or bug in the software to cause grief. --WedTM 17:33, 22 August 2010 (PDT)

It's a relatively new word (Wikipedia) and specifically describes the mindset of people who enjoy kicking over your sandcastles. --JellyfishGreen 10:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Anti-griefing
Is it appropriate to list anti-griefing measures here, like tree and fire flags, or password-protected servers?

More philosophically, the design of the game permits behavior X, where for example X=adding blocks; performing X on a structure that is not your own can be either co-op play (when done with agreement) or griefing; how thus could griefing be designed out of the game? --JellyfishGreen 10:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Block Protection? In Garry's Mod, most servers run Prop Protection. This stops people from messing with props (objects) that aren't theirs unless they are on the owner's whitelist (allowing for co-op stuff). Could a similar thing be done for Minecraft? When you place a block, it's then defined as yours and can't be removed by others. Being attached to the username, griefers can also then be tracked and easily ousted. Kookas 23:52, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Psychologically attacking Griefers is an effective way of turning them and having them clean up the mess they have made. Grieferventions don't necessarily openly accuse the Griefer of hist crimes but portray the want to help the Griefer break from the vicious cycle of addiction. Addamondes 8:54, 12 April 2011 UTC

Griefer List
This might be a very valuable list so servers know which accounts to ban from their servers because of the nature of griefers.

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 * It probably wouldnt be practical, for it would get very large very quickly. Besides, griefers often change names and IPs so the bans are then useless.Toadbert


 * lets not do that, shall we?--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 22:08, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * we shall! Toadbert

List of griefers? Nope.avi
I have to agree with not making a list, because as it's been said, griefers switch names, IPs, etc. I used to run a server back in the olden days of Indev/Infdev (a creative server), using...uhh...I forget the name of the program now (where's that old list of Creative Server mods?).

Anyway, griefers were obviously one of the biggest problems my admins and I faced on a daily basis. I mean, we suffered through every type of griefer imaginable. Everything including:


 * 1) Tunnelers (god I hated tunnelers. I'd turn invisible and stalk them, filling in their tunnels as they went)
 * 2) Small time griefers who targetted a random structure in an area where there were little to no players
 * 3) Big time griefers using MCTunnel to do everything from spawning orange male genitalia on the map/inside of buildings which just destroyed them
 * 4) Even bigger griefers using MCTunnel to do GIGANTIC cuboids, often consisting of the pink wool block.
 * 5) "Good guys gone bad". These are the guys who will join a server, earn trust and go up in rank, then suddenly alot of griefing starts happening. Usually if a server has water/lava commands, and physics on, water/lava flooding will be the first thing to happen.

Not a day went by that I would have to reset the main map (it was a multiworld server and new players were limited to main). Eventually the server mod I used got a big upgrade that allowed us to stealth-ban griefers. One funny occurence involved me stealth-banning a griefer, then telling him he was stealth-banned and anything he destroys isn't actually being destroyed. He actually spoke and called BS on me. So I told him to bring an alt, and promised him I wouldn't ban him. So he did. Few minutes later he says "SON OF A B*TCH" (censored for the youngin's). We all had a good laugh, and he promised to stop griefing (which he did), and a short time later, he was granted the rank of AdvBuilder. Never had one bad report about him after that.

'''What I'm getting at is that there are many many types of griefing, and it would be near impossible to compile a list of every known griefer account, whether or not we count the days of Creative. Not to mention listing a reason for each.''' Minecraftinerryday 14:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Bridging the Gap
Griefers may be a species of the genus Noob or perhaps Noob and Griefers should be placed in their own distinct family away from Hominidae. The Camping Noob or Noobus camperus was once considered a subspecies of Noob but the taxonomic tree was expanded as the diversity of Noobs did. As Minecraft grows so will the overall "content" of griefers will and to refer them with their own taxonomic name(based on the strategy they take to kicking over your sandcastle) as a grifer who abuses trust would be called Dolendum fidabuti. Being a Noob may be genetic. When Noobs have a child, or a Nooblet, it will act malicious even without interaction with it's parents. Griefers offspring may be expected to inherent the same traits and behavior of their parents; although it is unheard of for a pair of Griefers to mate or even be capable of doing so. This gives further interest in placing both Noobs and Griefers in their own family instead of just a physiological disorder.