Talk:Herobrine/Archive 1

The Original Herobrine Story with 'Evidence'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clElrb1mBmw

Whether it's a hoax or not doesn't matter. Whether or not you all agree if this article should have anything on it doesn't matter. This is the original myth with some evidence put into a video. Whether you believe it or not is your choice, this just informs you about Him.

Vote
ok, we evidently are all split on this page. I suggest a vote. just so we know the for/against, this entity has caught notch's attention, and he says he will add it in. however, people think it's a vanity page for the hoax. I think the only sane way is to see what everyone thinks, and go with the majority. perhaps the decision should be made in, say, a week. so, the 11th of october.

I can tell quatroking'll be pissed, but in the end, we all have a split opinion, between the admins and community, and between people within those groups. this needs to be sorted. and better sooner than later in my opinion.--Kizzycocoa 08:51, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey dude, listen, we need to keep this page in. Seems like an annoying vanity page?  Well look, there WAS a good version that explained the hoax in truthful facts.  This was the page that instructed me, as a tiny nooblet, that herobrine was a hoax not worthy of attention.  If we remove the page, we are just going to get MORE people running around like idiots asking about him.  And that would be a terrible thing.  So, restore the page to the previous, helpful version, and then stop any further edits until he gets added to the game.  Otherwise it will just make the herobrine frenzy worse.

Christ, it even had an S for Skeleton tag on it indicating silliness. What's next, removing the Notch page?--Alexor 14:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I saw references on the forum to "Herobrine", and this page helpt me realize it was nothing but a hoax. I don't know about the rules, but the page added useful information. (Votes are usually not good on wikis, we should probably try to work towards concencus, by the means of discussion, instead.)--DrPhil 15:50, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

It's ridiculous to delete the page. It has valuable information that prevents confusion and explains what Herobrine is to new users like me. The hoax happened and it is part of the community history. There is no reason to delete the page. All it is, is information that educates people. If the page is worthless, why are people complaining that it's gone? This is another case of people with power misusing it for no good reason. Tikalal 02:50, 1 November 2010 (CDT)

For
I'm for keeping this page; there's tags for silly pages like the S for Skeleton, and the page is informative for the newbies. Some may not know who Herobrine is, and come here for information, and realize it's a fake/hoax, and not post about it. Now, with it deleted, we can expect more threads, possibly. It's ridiculous to delete this page, c'mon. Kris18 00:57, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Kizzycocoa
 * 2) Alexor
 * 3) DrPhil
 * 4) Kris18
 * 5) SaiyanKirby
 * 6) Gryphon
 * 7) Isadore21
 * 8) PurpleKiwi
 * 9) Jaeil
 * 10) taggedJC
 * 11) CrazyMcfobo
 * 12) ConMan8
 * 13) DickyNu13
 * 14) MrMatthew
 * 15) Moxxy
 * 16) MrMist
 * 17) Stormravenx
 * 18) Tikalal
 * 19) Stefan Pelskamp
 * 20) meioziz
 * 21) DuoNoxSol
 * 22) Aclectasis
 * 23) Drenay
 * 24) Frjam
 * 25) Shoopymon
 * 26) JesusChrist666
 * 27) higbey
 * 28) TheKax


 * Even if this is a hoax or joke, if it is widespread enough than it deserve coverage on this wiki. This wiki includes information on user created content (servers, etc), tutorials, and the like. Whether the "against" folks like it or not, this hoax has become a sizable part of the Minecraft culture. I also agree that, if it is that widespread, it needs to be clarified for new and confused users. They WILL see information about it, and the "official" source on Minecraft info should have something to say about it, even if it's just to say it is a hoax. Perhaps a compromise? Maybe less "about" the hoax and more just telling people it is a hoax, so as not to glamorize it? MrMatthew 16:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with this. Herobrine has become part of the Minecraft lore so I feel it deserves representation on a Minecraft wiki. Whether or not Notch ever adds an official version Herobrine to the game is irrelevant. I feel a page needs to exist for it since it is part of the Minecraft popular culture. After hearing a mention of him somewhere, I learned about Herobrine from this page, and I feel like many other players should be able to too. If a player wants information about Minecraft, they come to this wiki since it is the best authority on all things Minecraft. Say a new player sees one of the Herobrine videos on YouTube or they hear him mentioned on a forum. Knowing nothing about it, they decide to look it up. Shouldn't they be able to look it up on Minepedia? Also, I don't think the page needs to go under much revision. I think it is clear to anyone visiting the page that Herobrine is fake; the first section is called "Hoax" and the second is called "Future update" where is is explained that he may or may not be added in some form at some point. I think that it is very clear to the reader that Herobrine does not exist in the game and is just folklore. Maybe we can add a "pop culture" or "folklore" header at the top a matching category to add the page to, so that it has some degree of separation from the serious sections of the wiki. MrMist 16:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The first Minecraft myth/legend! It deserves recognition. Drenay


 * I agree with keeping the page, even if he never gets added to the game it'd be a shame to lose the story of such a well staged hoax. Besides, on the splash page it talks about the "Haunted!" splash possibly being a reference to Him as well as the ghosts that used to appear on peaceful, which I find entirely plausible. Frjam 15:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Against

 * 1) Quatroking
 * 2) Dagmar d'Surreal
 * 3) Nazerb


 * If you know that this won't be accepted, by even bother remaking this joke of a page? The page is 100% against the rules, something you always complain about, and its based on a fucking photoshop and a shitty fanfic. Enjoy no longer having administrative rights.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 09:35, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Quatroking, it was remade within 10-12 hours of being made. my thoughts were "well, it's obvious there is a split in the community and admins about this page, so we should hold a kind of vote". and then, "well, if it's here, I might as well make it a less rubbish article". at no point did I remake the article,
 * We can argue about the rules for ages, but the fact is that herobrine will be added to minecraft. and frankly, me putting my opinion first, and you with yours, is just not how a page like this can realistically be handled. it's heart is the community. if they want the article deleted, fine. if they don't, that's fine too.
 * frankly, I'd find it rather sad that I lost administrative rights, purely as I saw the page was recreated, and thought that maybe, just maybe, the community should decide as it's a special unusual page. It is not every day a hoax is adopted into the game, or is planned to be. and in the meantime, they should have a less shitty article.
 * but, by all means, decide to remove them for me thinking about the community. if it were purely hoax, I would think like you. to delete it and revoke me being an admin. but the fact is it isn't just a hoax. and was recreated shortly after deletion.
 * also, there is no real applicable rule. there is one about nonsense and silly pages, but as notch is seriously considering adding it, it doesn't fall under there. there is no rule to say this page shouldn't exist, purely because of notch's thoughts to add him in. should that have not been there, I personally would have deleted the page early on.--Kizzycocoa 10:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm for this page as long as it's going to be descriptive of the actual phenomenon. That is, it should explain that this originated as a hoax that's now garnered a lot of fans and advocates. I'd like someone to find Notch's quote that there might be plans to add him, as well, before the article goes live. It should not just ramble on about nonsense, however. The Wikipedia Page on Chuck Norris isn't a list of the Chuck Norris jokes, although they are mentioned I'm sure. But that's the extent of it. Keep the silly things out, and the informative things in. When people hear others talking about Herobrine on the forums or other avenues, it'd be nice for them to have somewhere authoritative that can say exactly WHAT this thing is, even if it explicitly says flat out that it's not in the game and was just a hoax. I think it's certainly notable enough of a hoax at this point to mean it's not a vanity article, if it's done from a NPOV. -JC 06:12, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Quatroking, are you really the head of this wiki? I didn't think that the head of a wiki would be so angry and rude. What you're saying goes against the whole point of having a wiki: information to educate people. It's sad that there's someone like you at the top compromising the very concept of what this place is supposed to be. Tikalal 02:52, 1 November 2010 (CDT)


 * I have yet to see any shred of evidence that Notch has actually said anything about this bit of fiction. -- Dagmar d'Surreal 03:24, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * check his twitter. in reply to "ravenburgr", he says he will add them. WedTM also uploaded a video of MinecraftCon2010, in which he also confirmed this. I do not have the link to that though, but a search on youtube will probably find it.--Kizzycocoa 07:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have the link. . To be honest, I think this whole nonsense is pretty nonsensical, and I have absolutely no interest in this "Herobrine" thinger, whatever "he" may be. However, I do have an interest in this wiki being an authoritative and accurate repository of information about Minecraft, and I still think an accurate and NPOV article on Herobrine would be useful. -JC 10:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, regardless since it's not actually in Minecraft, they should probably take their lunacy back to Encyclopedia Dramatica where "some s**t we just made up" is actually appropriate. This is a slippery slope that's rather likely going to lead to them making up more looney things, like an entry on the page about Logs saying "Once Herobrine round-housed an entire forest and turned it straight into planks instead of logs." Being that there's actually a pretty sizable difference between "it might be true" (because it doesn't automatically mean "I might do this", yay English) and "I will add it in" so I still think it's a factually-challenged claim.  I also suspect most of the Herobrine fans can't even spell NPOV so good luck with that plan. -- Dagmar d&#39;Surreal 13:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Then perhaps one of the non-fans could write the article? Perhaps I'll write something up. Putting "Once Herobrine round-housed an entire forest..." (etc) would be ridiculous. Look at Wikipedia. You don't have references to Chuck Norris on everything, talking about how much his roundhouse kicks are awesome. MAYBE in the roundhouse kick article there's a mention of Chuck Norris as a small note, but it's not a crucial part of roundhouse kicking, neither Herobrine is to Logs. Especially since Herobrine is just a fan phenomenon at the moment (with a mention by Notch, of course). Despite him not being in Minecraft, I'd say he's become a large enough part of the Minecraft community to be notable enough for inclusion, even if it's just to specify that he's not in the game, and that it's a hoax. We're here to prevent people from being misled, and if we leave it out, people won't know whether it's real or not. It's not "making it up" if we're just reporting on the actual information (rather than making up things that Herobrine could be attributed to). It could be a small, simple article. "Herobrine was part of a hoax which has become somewhat widespread in the Minecraft community. Sometimes referred to simply as 'he', Herobrine is supposed to be a sort of ghost. Despite the fact that Herobrine isn't actually part of the game, he has gained many fans. As such, Notch has mentioned the possibility of adding Herobrine to a future update."
 * Huh. There. See? That's about all it needs. Maybe the original screenshot of Herobrine, or something. It doesn't need much; I just think it should have something. Not nonsense, mind. -JC 14:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Herobrine may not be in Minecraft, but technically neither is Spleef. Spleef is just something some user made, but there's an article about that. JesusChrist666 15:47, 1 March 2011 (UTC)JesusChrist666
 * Allow me to also suggest it be taken into consideration how many actual edits have been made by the "voters". It's too easy to drum up a lemming charge from forums over stuff like this. -- Dagmar d&#39;Surreal 13:52, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You do realize that a good number of them (myself included) have more edits than you do? Moxxy 01:39, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * True, though the votes themselves aren't exactly important. The Wiki isn't a democracy, and the goal should be for consensus, not a majority vote. - JC 14:08, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Consensus indeed *nods approvingly* BlueLegion 23:13, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

you know what? i think im just going to make herobrine a page on wikipedia and put a link to it one here so players can get information without the interference of some stubborn staff member that cares more about being in charge than the actual goal of the wiki, recording and organizing info about minecraft so players can learn, i cant believe spleef has a page but herobrine cant, when ive taken a poll, 78 minecraft players knew about herobrine, only 32 knew about spleef.

quatro watch it if i were you, someone could easily go and make a new wiki and copy all the articles over, hust because you currently are the head of this wiki doesnt mean somebody who cares about players and the focus of this wiki more than "im the head of this wiki so what i say goes" --Higbey 00:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * What the hell quatro? You just offend kizzy for bringing up a page that 28 want vs 3 do not want? This should be democracy, not admin dictature! You cannot honestly say that Herobrine isn't well known, even notch has told jokes/stuff of herobrine? I mean, what the hell?  Quatro: "If you know that this won't be accepted, by even bother remaking this joke of a page? The page is 100% against the rules, something you always complain about, and its based on a fucking photoshop and a shitty fanfic. Enjoy no longer having administrative rights."  I mean WHAT the hell? -- | TheKax |   Talk   18:11, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup
This page needs someone with a highschool education to come along and clean it up. It's absolutely horrible when it comes to grammar. --WedTM 09:12, 31 August 2010 (PDT)

What..
What the hell is this article? It doesn't explain anything about what the hell 'Herobrine' is supposed to be. Quit playing around with the wiki page, stupid kids. This is supposed to be an informative website. –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stabbykat (Talk . Please sign your posts with   !
 * this is exactly what quatroking said. but, I thought we should have it. a gut feeling. and, since notch will add him, I was right. this page descfribes him in detail, and as recently he's had official links for him, it should stay. it goes in-depth enough.--Kizzycocoa 18:40, 5 September 2010 (CDT)
 * I kinda wanted the page gone for being meme garbage because of this quote in the earlier revisions: "This dates back all the way when a creepy pasta was made about the same exact event." Plus, he might be more deserving of a wiki page once he's actually in the game. Right now it looks like a big old plug for Brocraft. Codewarrior 16:42, 15 September 2010 (CDT)
 * thing is, he is going to be a part of minecraft, and has history. if we removed this page, people will either get confused by the lack of information, or the mobs page will be significantly stretched with his information. we can't omit him, as he IS going in, as notch has confirmed online and in real life.
 * but to make sense of all the information, I'd argue this page does it in a way that is much better than having a block of text on the mobs page. when it's an official mob, this page can definitely be deleted.
 * but, until then, this is the only way to convey herobrine in the least disruptive, and most out-of-the-way way, while being very informative as an article.
 * if it's worth anything, I'm in charge of making sure no stupid stuff happens here. well, all admins are, but this page is near the top of my watched-pages list to keep clear and informative. so, this article won't grow to be too much of an annoyance in it's (hopefully) short time of needing to be here.--Kizzycocoa 16:57, 15 September 2010 (CDT)

Here's a video of a "Herobrine" sighting to give you an idea of how Herobrine might be implemented into the game: "The Tour".--Qualjak 17:17, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay... wait... what? Page deleted?
Well, I'm here to knock some sense into you guys. Don't mock me. I may be new to this particular wiki with this edit as my first but I have a fair comprehension on how wikis work having made contributions to others.

First of all, I'll round up all the valid points which are already given on why this page should be revived.


 * Some may not know who Herobrine is, and come here for information, and realize it's a fake/hoax, and not post about it. Now, with it deleted, we can expect more threads, possibly. -- Kris18
 * When people hear others talking about Herobrine on the forums or other avenues, it'd be nice for them to have somewhere authoritative that can say exactly WHAT this thing is, even if it explicitly says flat out that it's not in the game and was just a hoax. I think it's certainly notable enough of a hoax at this point to mean it's not a vanity article, if it's done from a NPOV. -- DrPhil

And as what Kizzycocoa said, is no rule to say this page shouldn't exist. Meaning, we do not have a comprehensive rule page stating the rules exactly as how most wikis, even Wikipedia does. All we have is this simple Wiki Rules. While most hoaxes are not allowed, Herobrine is simply more than that. It is a rather notable urban legend which has been recognized by many players. The fact that even Notch acknowledges it makes this a greater reason to add than before. He has noted in his twitter and even in MinecraftCon 2010 confirming that he has plans about this legend somwhere in the distant future.

This is no different from the Boo! update Notch made confirming there will be this or that, except there is probably no exact date. How come we don't have anyone complaining about Pumpkins? It is not released in the game... yet?

I was pretty lost when I heard someone mentioning Herobrine in a certain fansite, but rather than asking what it is, making myself sound noobish, I actually Googled it and this page turned up as one of the results, finding out that it is actually a fictional tale, which had been stated very clearly in the article before. --Scykei 15:13, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

The last time I checked the page it was a thoughtful and informative article about the hoax, NOT a hoax itself. Now you went off and deleted it. Have fun with the confusion this will bring up. --Matoking 16:31, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Last chance
One last chance. You guys can make this a serious page, but if it turns into a shithole of meme crap again, then y'all can go to hell and you'll just have to wait until it actually gets in-game. I want facts, not another thomas the faggot sheep bullshit story.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 16:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Admin protection
ok, here's a thought. we could make this page like the main page. lock it to admins only, and we peek in to see suggestions every now and then. then it would stay as it is, with only facts being added. I myself would take that role of adding facts, helping take the load off of the other admins and users who want it to only be factual. good idea? bad? --Kizzycocoa 07:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think that's fine. Considering that it's pretty much as it's going to be for some time (until Notch confirms whether or not he's actually going to add him, or when he actually does so), it's likely best to protect it. -JC 09:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Entire Article is Bullshit
I'm all for having an article about this, but holy fuck, this article is filled with LIES and NOSENSE. I can handle calling it a hoax (it isn't, Cope would have told us off the stream or some time, he isn't a liar, AT ALL), but this is filled with stupid shit. Patimuss (Not Patimoose) was not involved in it. He wasn't there. He said it's bullshit. It's Cope who was there, and it was him that screamed, and he was the one that streamed it. Patimuss wasn't involved at all. Also, the chat didn't crash show the page, with some mangled code, that's also BULLSHIT. Cope made that portion of the website as a joke, then linked it in chat a few days later.

Making an article about something which is entirely based on someone's word citation-less is fucking stupid. Whoever wrote this article is pants on head retarded. Calasmere 19:52, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * not all of us were there for the stream. we tried to salvage any useful information from what we were presented with. feel free to edit whatever you want. this article isn't locked. you can edit it yourself, and it would have been quicker than moaning about it. no offence.--Kizzycocoa 20:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) Cope DID say that it was a hoax/practical joke. I don't have the source, but I've heard it said by many Brocraft watchers before, so i trust what they said. Also, Notch confirmed that Herobrine was not a real entity, but that he might add him later. Therefore, it is a hoax. Period.
 * 2) Patimuss WAS involved in it. I was even watching the stream when he came across Him, as was hoards of others. In fact, it was Patimuss' stream that convinced the most people (including myself) that it was just a joke.
 * 3) The page covers a HOAX and was rated "S for Skeleton" prior to it's last delete, and therefore doesn't really need citations. besides, anything that could be cited is now gone due to the Cope/Brocraft split-up. The links on the page are broken because of that, as it is.
 * 4) TONS of people helped make this page, including many watchers of Brocraft. It was no single person.
 * 5) This page is meant to inform people about the legend, and to remind them that Him is not real (yet), so we don't have to hear so many people asking who Him is, nor have to see more people trying to do further hoaxes.
 * 6) There is NO reason to be so rude about your disagreements. I had thought higher of you, Calasmere.
 * And that's my opinion/correction on your complaint. --Coolpilot 21:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. I was wrong about point 2, at least. Also, I'm only being rude because I find it stupid that an article filled with utter nonsense should be kept around. I can understand satire, but I just think this article is half filled with nonsense intended to make it more of a scary story. I'm relatively sure the page didn't magically become the picture of him with that stupid creepypasta in the code, but I might be wrong.


 * Oh, and I asked Cope just now, and he denies ever saying it was a hoax/practical joke. But whatever, I'm not fussed anymore. Sorry for being rude/wrong in some cases, but something pissed me off, for some reason or another. Calasmere 22:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You are welcome to present evidence that the facts are wrong, instead of making an ass of yourself --BlueLegion 23:18, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You have no evidence to prove otherwise. I've been on Brocraft as a streamer and a regular for months. All I've got is my word. I think it has a little more sway in this when I've been there for fucking months, don't you? But whatever.


 * Also, my eRep is something I truly care for. I don't care if I 'make an ass' of myself.Calasmere 11:30, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you understand that 'innocent until proven guilty'? ConMan8 16:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

New tweet
@notch    Markus Persson @Kizzycocoa i have no plans of adding herobrine. 13 hours ago         via web        Favorite   Retweet     Reply
 * I know. hence why I locked it. any further changes should now be submitted via the talk page. ^^ --Kizzycocoa 07:30, 20 October 2010 (CDT)

Why was the Herobrine page deleted?
I'm personally with Kizzycocoa on this issue. I've read nearly every page in this wiki, multiple times just to ensure I got the key content down. There is nothing I love more than the pursuit of information, you see, so when I came across the original Herobrine page, I was intrigued by the story. I loved the page because not only was the story well thought out, but it was obvious to me that the hoax was an important part of Minecraft history. When I recently joined a multiplayer server, there were some Minecraft vets scaring a new player with the story of Herobrine. I messaged him to check out the topic on him in the forums, so he could see it was a hoax. The new player informed me there was no such page. I then came here, looking for the page. Now, I can understand the reasoning behind getting rid of the article; it was after all a hoax, and not a true part of Minecraft. However, the hoax is an integrated part of Minecraft culture. If it were just a hoax in itself, not that popular with the minecraft community, I could understand the reasoning as to why it did not deserve a page on Minepedia. But at a point in time, even Notch himself was intrigued by the hoax, and even considered putting Herobrine into the game. If even the creator of Minecraft was so enchanted with the story that he considered adding Herobrine to the game, does it not deserve a page in the Minecraft wiki? This knowledge base is supposed to be the biggest and most accurate collection on Minecraft information. Do you not believe that Herobrine, who has become a name on everyone's mind when they see a strange natural structure, who is the perfect method to scare a new player when they are hiding from the monsters at night, and who has captured the hearts and imaginations of even Minecraft's creator, deserves a page in the wiki? Whenever something is seen or spoken of in Minecraft, it is the wiki's duty and us editors greatest pleasure to provide them with that information. Even if the page is rated S for skeleton, it would be a shame if the wiki failed to provide information on a Minecraft related topic. Hubertus 05:53, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree completely.This is on the Wiki Rules about games: 3A:The only exception to this rule is Spleef as this is widely played and recognized by the community and Notch himself. Rule 19 is no hoaxes, etc. Why can't we make Herobrine an exception to Rule #19? It's also widely recognized by the community and Notch! Also, I can understand that people disagree with this, but look at the votes! 26 to 2! Even if you don't believe this deserves an article, you should respect that other people do. What's the harm in making an article that so many people believe is necessary? JesusChrist666 16:15, 1 March 2011 (UTC)JesusChrist666
 * Because rules are to be followed by everyone. Unless you're quatro.  A NNOYING  02:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

That's why I suggested making it an exception to the rules. JesusChrist666 02:03, 3 March 2011 (UTC)JesusChrist666

Why add Kizzycocoa to Herobrine page?
This page is supposed to contain information about the Herobrine "incident" for lack of a better word which did have some effect on the minecraft community whether players admit it or not. Because of that, it was apparently given a page with information about the character and how it started, however the page's titles contains another user's name and is claimed under a userspace. Last time I checked, this "Kizzycocoa" had virtually no involvement with the grunt of the story, so why is this page listed as a userspace and not an article? Or for that matter, why is the title displayed as "Kizzycocoa/Herobrine" implying that there is ANY relation/contrast between the two when they infact have virtually nothing to do with each other.

Herobrine isn't an official implementation of the game, but if it's enough to be categorized as a "Game Term" alongside the South/West Rule and Chunks it either has some sort of significance or doesn't belong at all. Albeit "Ghosting"/"Pillar Jumping"/"Multiworld" and to some degree "Hacking" don't have any relevance in being resourceful information that wikis were created to provide, if they are all relevant enough to have an article, then Herobrine shouldn't be just a userspace.

For example, if "Pillar Jumping" has informative relevance, then an article should be made for "scaffolding" which has virtually the exact same type of relevance in using blocks to manipulate the players position to reach an area previously inaccessible. To a lesser extent but still informative, an article could be made to explain how to manipulate fluids with other blocks to again, access a position that was previously inaccessible.

There's tons more types of examples, the point is, if those other articles (especially "Ghosting" and "Pillar Jumping") were relevant enough to receive a whole article and listed under "Game Terms" then it seems appropriate for Herobrine to receive it's own article instead of just being a userspace. It should also be noted that a few very popular mods implement Herobrine into themselves, and there is mod content on this wiki, so it's not JUST a myth flying around with the only appropriate place for it's description being on a userspace.

If you want to keep it locked from revisions, that's fine, but it's inappropriate to list it (and those other ones I've stated) as a "Game Term" then restricting it to a userspace as if it's not relevant in any way to deserve an article. "Ghosting"? Are you kidding me? If console messages are significant enough to receive an article to explain what the hell they are and brand it with a downright silly nickname to make it appear to be more than what it is, then I'm pretty sure an ongoing "tale" of sorts that people still talk lively about and even implement variations in their own clients is enough to receive it's own article.

If not, those other pages shouldn't have articles and be classified as userspaces for not having enough significance to deserve an article on a website that's supposed to be providing information and relevant information on the game it's claiming to support.

For disclaiming purposes, this is not any sort of rant or was it type in any negative context. If you are reading it in a negative context you aren't reading it correctly and the point will be completely missed. I've been to a lot of fanbased wikis that don't permit decenting opinions from what their administration has declared as "Game Facts" simply because of any proposed/implemented change doesn't sync up with the way they view the game's actual facts. This is why I included a type of disclaimer to avoid the "this guy is telling me I'm wrong" approach which completely misses the proposal itself and is met with retaliation (on changes, usually not discussions) instead of considering this a wiki where all users contribute for the same purpose of providing users with a resource to help them understand whatever "thing" they came to that wiki for.

MDR 16:48, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

This article was mirrored by an user named Kizzycocoa, since Quatroking didn't want it to be on the actual wiki, despite majority disagreeing with him. And he seemingly isn't changing his mind. Better this way than not at all. --Matoking 20:19, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

xD that rage above was funny R ocĸetor talk  08:26, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree with Rocĸetor, that was mighty silly. In my opinion, we should put the sillyness tag back on it and put it back to mainspace, so that people searhing for it would really find it. After all, it is such a notable hoax. And possibly edit it to clearly say it is a hoax (another tag, maybe) and stay on the factual side. It's not that bad article after all. -- TheKax 07:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

For the record...
I personally wish to believe in the Herobrine myth, and to anyone who tells me I'm stupid for being a believer, your opinion is duly noted. Hoax or not, however, Herobrine is part of Minecraft - Minecraft history, lore, community...all of this is part of Minecraft itself, and therefore, so is He, whether or not He actually exists as a mob. Personally, I find the story to be the most interesting thing I've ever learned about Minecraft, and it IS a cool story no matter how you slice it. People fight over this, they've made tons of videos, and there is apparently a mod or two that actually does make Herobrine real, if not the same as the original myth. Right now, I am in the process of completely clearing a 128x128x128 cube of space in my world so I can make a 128-block high shrine of moss stone (all of which I have/will have obtained from dungeons I beat fair and square without chickening out and switching to "peaceful") in pyramid form, all for this story, and I know other people have made shrines/tributes to Him as well, so whether or not he's part of the programming, he is very much a part of several individual Minecraft worlds. Bottom line, I agree that He should have His own page where all the information, past and present, about Herobrine, be it hoax, legend, or fact, can be seen by people such as myself who usually get all their Minecraft knowledge from Minecraft Wiki.Wandergirl108 03:05, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Minecraft Beta 1.6.6 release notes
The notes have "Removed Herobrine" in them. Not sure if this is a joke, or if Herobrine was added in as a secret update (or has been there all the time). Scutterman 15:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It's an obvious joke. Ju ze 15:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Possibly a joke to toy with us but there is a slight chance it may be true. From the chat logs Notch states that he doesn't plan on adding Herobrine because he may have already been in the game. Personally I have had no encounters with him but my friends have found pyramids with torches on them, obviously not made by the map generator. I really wanted Herobrine to be true, it was a great addition to Minecraft that had you thinking what could be happening in the game that you're not seeing. Though the first occurrences of Herobrine were undoubtedly fake, I don't think anyone could resist adding a ghost to the game after the rumor was out. --Tellan 19:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I may be a joke, even though some other people have reported what they called "real" sightings of Herobrine, so it could have been in the game as mentioned by Tellan above. Pitidd 17:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried to spawn a human, but it didn't work. He meant that humans/monsters no longer exist. Drenay 21:51, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Update 1.6.6
Here's a copy of Notch's blog post on update 1.6.6

Minecraft Beta 1.6.6 Unless there are any emergency things to fix, I won’t do any more updates before 1.7. Going to E3 on Saturday.

I will be bringing my laptop to do some development, but I won’t be able to do much testing.

ONWARDS TO THE ADVENTURE UPDATE! *holds up sword, poses dramatically*

1.6.6:

+ Added a new use for bonemeal * Removed Herobrine
 * Changed the material of glowstone from “glass” to “stone”. This means you need a pickaxe to get resources from it
 * Made glowstone drop more loot
 * Made the recipe sizes for creating cloth blocks and glowstone blocks smaller (2x2 instead of 3x3)
 * Re-introduced unlimited FPS, renamed the option again
 * Fixed beds not working very well at all in SMP
 * Fixed destroying a boat spawning the player too low, causing them to sometimes fall through the ground
 * Boats float up to the surface quicker
 * Boats falling down into water lose their vertical momentum very fast

I guess it was real after all.


 * Oh, oh, can you let me answer this one please??? IT WAS A JOKE YOU MORON!!!(i'm in no way trying to offend you by saying you'r a moron, or trying to imply this claim is true, and i contradict myself simply for the lolz.) --Yurisho 18:50, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Video link change/removal
There is a link that used to lead to one of the videos from the livestream encounters. The link also states that it is to the brocraft minecraft stream. The video has since been deleted and simply leads to the actual livestream stream page and the name of the minecraft stream has since changed to "Ghost in the stream". The livestream page isn't even used as part of the stream. I suggest that the link either be changed and targeted at the streams current home (www.ghostinthestream.net/minecraft) and relabeled to fit the new stream name (with mention to it's old name), or be removed completely. -Legosheep 22:18 04/06/2011 zulu

I must insist that action is take as it is causing much grievance at our site. -Legosheep 11:27 07/06/2011 zulu

The "Hacker"
It was said by some people that Herobrine is a real user ingame. He was said to hack into others singleplayer worlds and cause chaos and mayhem. So, if this is true, then we shouldn't be too scared of him. He is just a hacker in your world.

Update 1.7
As quoted from the release notes

"- Removed Herobrine"

I think Notch is playing with us...
 * yes, he is. --Kizzycocoa 14:10, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Unhappy avid Herobrinist
Dear Kizzycocoa, I am a Herobrinist. I very adamantly believe in Him. I would very much appreciate it if you would please put some stuff here for believers such as myself; i.e. the link I tried to put in the splash text page (I didn't realize it had been redirected to your channel) and/or a brief mention of Herobrinists, or would just please re-word the statements on your page to be more ambiguous. It would also be nice if you would tell the actual myth about Him, e.g. Him being Notch's dead brother, etc., somewhere here. As this is the only page here about Him, I would appreciate a more well-rounded explanation of Him here, so that people can more easily decide for themselves whether or not they believe in Him, instead of being told little more than that He is a hoax (which I insist may not be true). I am not mad. I would just appreciate a more open-minded and well-rounded explanation of Him being here, as this is, again, the only page about Him in Minecraft Wiki. Thank you. Sincerely, Wandergirl108 03:14, 1 July 2011 (UTC)