Talk:Iron Golem/Archive 1

Real mob
This is real for any one that says other wise...don't delete my page --Desacobose 16:19, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * According to crowdin (Minecraft's official translation platform), it's Iron Golem, not Villager Gollem. I suggest copy pasting this page to Iron Golem Fomtg 16:22, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

When were they added? I am unable to find or make an iron golem online or on my own. In my minecraft folder the skins are there but they just won't spawn! My minecraft says it is completly updated and i have done 7 force updates. What can do?24.18.173.25 20:22, 26 February 2012 (UTC)Penguin3553
 * They're added in weekly snapshot 12w08a. Development versions must be installed manually; the client will only update to official releases. See Version_history/Development_versions and Mojang.com. -- Orthotope 21:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Damage
The page says instantly killing, but this is not true. The Golem can kill you instantly, but doesn't always. The least damage i saw was 4 hearts and the highest instantly killing without armor. (Tested on hard difficulty) On other difficulties damage seems to be the same though. -Wally

They also do not kill skelletons instantly, although they have 10 hearts like the player. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 94.221.255.48 (Talk) 17:32, 23 February 2012 (UTC). Please sign your posts with

Classification?
After the full release, how will we categorize the iron golem: utility or neutral? Xeoxer 16:52, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * It's a utility mob. --Fishrock123.png (Talk)(c) 17:18, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Definitely utility --Moxxy 17:32, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Page Protection
This page is getting tons of attention and many, many edits in a short time span. Could we lock it so only registered users can edit? --Moxxy 17:46, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree to this --Mathew9R 22:31, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Trivia
Could the Iron Golem "picking a rose" be related to the golem doing the same thing in the Miyazaki film "Castle in the Sky"? It seems similar to have an iron robot with plants growing on it pick a flower.

I found a good image by searching "castle in the sky robot" on google images (the 3rd image that showed up on 23 Feb, 2012). I could not post links here, so this is the best instruction I could post. 173.174.254.107 19:12, 23 February 2012 (UTC) albijoe


 * You've stolen my idea! ;-) --☺ Sven Kein Schwein ruft mich an! 19:14, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

yes it is. Jon himself in twitter said that he was inspired by the robots of that film. -Wally

Is it true that if you 'Spawn' one of these Golems,when you attack it, it will still fend for itself and counter-attack? Sykar24 05:19, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Indeed. – ultradude25 ( T &#124; C ) at 05:32, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Reference?
Is it just me or do this guys seem to be inspired by the robots from Castle in the sky? --☺ Sven Kein Schwein ruft mich an! 19:13, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's very clear with their long arms and the way they offer the flower that they are. --Moxxy 19:14, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I think it's a bit like the Iron Giant. A nice guy, until the provoked, or until who he likes and looks after are attacked. 24.149.50.220 22:35, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Resembles the Golem character in Monster Rancher. In one of the first few episodes, the main character finds Golem (that's his name apparently) tending a flower garden, protecting his past friends (in the form of disk thingies). 97.100.4.59 04:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant to say "To me, it resembles...", since the Castle in the Sky is the true reference. 97.100.4.59 04:24, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I have watched the move 10 times and it is definitely from Castle in The Sky.

Iron golems attack snow golems after been hit by an snowball
The title says it...Ferry 21:18, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Spawning Conditions
Another interesting fact: Moving the golems a long distance (25 blocks is enough, but I think the actual distance is much lower) away from the villagers detaches it from the villagers (I haven't tested if it still counts as a village-spawned golem if it returns within range) and forces a new spawn. Since iron golems don't take fall damage it's possible to spawn them and then drop them out of range, so another one can spawn almost immediately afterwards.
 * 1) 2x2x4 (where 4 is the height), is the minimum spawning space (even though they're only 2x2x3 in size).
 * 2) Can spawn at any light level.
 * 3) The spawn area is 17x17x6 (not including space needed for the actual spawn) which is centered in the house (I haven't figured out exactly what determines the center).
 * 4) If there is no spawn space available they will spawn in liquids (even if the liquid occupies the full 2x2x4 space) if there's a spawnable block underneath. See the photo below.
 * 5) If there is no spawn space available they will spawn inside the player and other mobs (positively tested golems, zombies and villagers) if necessary.
 * 6) Can spawn inside doors, but not the doors attached to the house (this would otherwise be possible if the walls were made entirely of transparent blocks).

The thumbnail on the right is a screenshot of the final outcome of my spawn area testing.

This is a screenshot of the iron golems spawning in liquids:



''I'm new at contributing to the wiki and English is not my mother's tongue, so if someone would be kind and post this information to the wiki page in proper formatting and articulation, I'd be grateful. This includes removing the results which will be considered redundant.''

--Muskar 21:42, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comprehensive research! Make sure to include this info in your language's wiki as well! btw your English is fine. - Asterick6 21:51, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * My language is Danish and it doesn't seem to be available on this site. And yeah, my English is fine, but my grammar and comma-usage isn't (at least I don't know if it is).- Muskar 22:01, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's fine. - Asterick6 03:52, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

On topic, I loaded the test map I show in the screenshot and suddenly, no Iron Golems are spawning under the conditions I had before. I checked the natural villages and they were spawning fine there. Since relogging again didn't make any difference I figure there's a lot more to it. We need to figure out how the spawn is triggered. I can confirm they can spawn at both daytime and nighttime - and at any light level. But I don't have a clue what can completely stop the spawning. Also, the floor of the village house may have to be made of wooden planks, I haven't seen otherwise working. - Muskar 17:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You can look into the game code to find the spawning conditions. That might be a faster and easier way instead of testing them one by one. If anyone can look into the code to find out/verify as well, that would be most helpful. - Asterick6 03:52, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I spent all Sunday trying to de-obfuscate the code, and I have a lot done, but I'm not quite ready for an answer. If someone else knows the classes better, it might be easier for them to do it, since I have to discover the game design from the beginning. I think I will have the information ready within a few hours of work though, although it won't be possible for me to do in the next few days.
 * EDIT: It just struck me, and I was right: They spawn in relation to the houses locations. I had multiple tests some distance away and it messed up the spawn area. I'm guessing the spawn area is still the same but it is moved to a different location, the question is also how far villages need to be away to not be included in the same village, and/or whether it has to do with being in the same chunk etc.
 * EDIT2: I got around to test some more today, and a great tip for forcing the iron golems to spawn in a controlled village environment: Drop water at the feet of the villagers. If no Iron Golems spawn when you do this, then you haven't met the conditions for the golems to spawn. - Muskar 17:23, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

 Some new information: Boundaries of the village (which means how far away the Iron Golem has to be, to detach from the village) as described on this image:  - Muskar 21:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Great work! - Asterick6 06:04, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Can a golem manufactured inside of a village respawn in that village if it's killed?
Will they detect villages like normally-spawned golems? Zoythrus 23:47, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Only the naturally spawned Iron Golems will respawn in its village, user created will have to be built up again if it dies. -Kingy98 07:46, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, they will respawn if there is enough space and at least 15 villagers nearby. Brickman2011 20:02, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If there's 14 Villagers and a house, and you then build a player-made Iron Golem, and afterwards add another villager, a new Iron Golem will spawn, and the player-made Iron Golem will not be attached to the village and will likely wander off. So, player-made Iron Golems (and Iron Golems that accidentally exit the village boundaries) are not attached to the village and will never be (again). - Muskar 22:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Again???
First it was "caveman squidwards" and now it's "robot squidwards"?!? MindCrafter 03:44, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I dont really know the exact rules of the wiki but I am pretty sure there is no reason to shout out your opinions on the wiki when there is a forum for discussion. Wiki's are for information. 83.254.35.254 12:24, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The solution nobody thinks of. Edit the nose out of the texture. (It's not that hard!) Funky3000 18:20, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Effects of Potions on Iron Golems
Due to the fact that Iron Golems are not biological (speculation), my first thought is that an iron golem might be immune to certain potion effects. Can somebody please test the effects of various potions on the IGs?

Edit: Due to the photo of an IG being poisoned by a cave spider on the wiki, I would speculate that some, if not all, potions have a functional effect on IGs (as the spider poison effect is identical to the potion poison effect.) I would still appreciate if proper testing were conducted, however. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Ercenio (Talk&#124;Contribs) 07:51, 24 February 2012 (UTC). Please sign your posts with
 * I tested swiftness, slowness and poison. The only one that had an effect (apart from particles) was the poison one. -Muskar 17:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I had posted two times picture where IG poisoned by cave spider, but bat peoples delete it from article. Villgolempoisoned.png

Suffocation
They can take suffocation damage. I found this when I spawned one inside my house and it spawned inside a wall. Does this count as drowning or should this be added to the ways they can take damage? 96.241.54.113 14:13, 25 February 2012 (UTC) (Rhou17)

Infinite iron ingots
These things can be farmed with a 100% auto trap to get infinite iron ingots! –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.118.172.203 (Talk) 01:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC). Please sign your posts with
 * But, you lose many iron ingots if you create them yourself.
 * I believe that with Iron Golems, adding Iron to the Renewable Resources List is a Option BlockBarracade 05:42, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe you should check the page before making statements like that. --Moxxy 06:15, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Gallery
Is it really important that "Jon" took the first picture of the Iron Golem? The rules don't clarify it strictly but rule #7: "Stick to the facts" might cover it.

I don't really know how things are around here but it just seems like very unnecessary information, to me.

Any thougts? - Muskar 22:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Nope, delete it --Moxxy 01:16, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Endermen creating Iron Golems
Since the picture I created got removed because "Doesn't actually show it happening. It's not something that there needs to be an image for anyways.". The first half is fair enough critique. But people have added the statement (as you can see in the revision history), that Endermen can create Iron Golems, multiple times. And the reason it has been taken down have been that Endermen can't pickup/place Iron Blocks, so the entire process isn't possible for them to do.

But since it is possible for them to create Iron Golems if the Iron Blocks are already placed, isn't it valid to clarify that in the wiki? I mean, it is a fact (#7).

In spite of this, I personally think it would overkill to create a 2 seconds long video to embed.

Anyway, any thoughts? - Muskar 09:10, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Added it to the Trivia Section. It's something that's so extremely rare and needs to be set up by the player that it doesn't belong in the main body or the info box. It is something that few people know and is interesting so I think it's perfect in that section. If I deleted it from trivia before, that's my mistake. --Moxxy 13:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. Seems rational to me. - Muskar 15:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)