Minecraft Dungeons talk:Mob/Archive 3

Protect this page
I don’t have permission to protect this page, but it keeps getting edited and false information is being added with no source to the DLC sections. So I say to protect this page so only logged in users can edit it, just for a bit. MinecraftDungeoneer (talk)


 * unless proof of those mobs in game is found. I keep having to revert an anonymous user's edits which are spreading misinformation, and it's really annoying me. TheBestGamerEverYT123456 (talk)
 * Maybe we should just add those mobs and put "needs testing" on them just like when people wanted to know if ravagers existed on the creeper woods. 177.188.215.153 21:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The mob page for the main game has been protected for a while, i think this page along with the main Minecraft Dungeons page should be semi protected. James Haydon (talk) 03:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes there is a lot of speculation about the end DLC so i it even more now. James Haydon (talk) 20:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * p l e a s e Oreli (talk) 01:57, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * semi-protection of this page. The Great Spring (talk) 03:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Ask about it on the Admin Noticeboard. James Haydon (talk) 03:40, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It got protected for 1 month. James Haydon (talk) 21:18, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Armored Mountaineer Proof
Someone added this mob but does anyone have proof about this? It seems to be the black variant and the red variant of the mountaineer. 179.110.0.182 16:35, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Even if the red and black mountaineers are variants of the normal mountaineer, this does not mean they should be called "Armored Mountaineers". The Skeleton vanguard and the Mossy skeleton are variants of the skeleton and they are not named "Armored Skeletons". 201.13.41.243 16:44, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * They probably are called Armored mountaineer though, because if you find enchanted red or black mountaineer variants it will just say "Enchanted Mountaineer" like when you find a enchanted Armored Zombie or skeleton or illager. But maybe I'm wrong Shauaiaoajzhzhz (talk) 20:03, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Represented Mobs
There are certain mobs that cannot be found naturally in the game, but they are represented in other ways suggesting that they are also part of the minecraft dungeons universe, examples: The horse, is represented in various statues; Jailor is mentioned in the jailor's Scythe trivia; The Ender Dragon is represented on all Highblock Halls doors and on a statue. I don't think we should create pages for these mobs but create ... a mark as we did with Planned mobs. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 12:03, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay i could put them in the Mentioned Mobs section since the are mentioned in the game. James Haydon (talk) 16:51, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Official Face for the rampart captain
The icon of the Rampart Captain is unofficial as the banner texture is wrong, can someone fix that? 179.93.44.93 14:45, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * i did--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 20:19, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The eye problem is fixed. But it still remains: reduce the size of the nose; bring the eyes closer to the center and create the second (gray) border.PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 19:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Other mobs?
I've seen the enderdragon in highblock halls and the horse in pumpkin pastures but what about the Piglin brute, Warden, and the jailor. where are they mentioned or found. please reply as soon as possible.--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 22:25, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The Nether Warrior is dressed at the same way as the piglin brute (I don’t know if it’s enough proof); The Jailor is mentioned in the Jailor's Scythe Trivia;and the Warden... is not the Warden from Caves and Clives Update, but yes the warden of the HighBlock Castle, he is mentioned in the Truthseeker Trivia PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 23:15, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The Nether Warrior is NOT dressed up as the Piglin Brute for a matter of fact. James Haydon (talk) 23:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok. I will remove the Piglin Brute, any way it's a very similar belt. But if it's not enough proof... PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 23:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay but the skin has red clothes, the piglin brute has black clothes. James Haydon (talk) 00:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * ok – Unsigned comment added by JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk • contribs) at 15:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC). Sign comments with
 * One more thing about this section: The Obsidian Monstrosity "is not a mob" in the game files, right? But this section is for "special mobs" that are represented especially on statues! The Obsidian Monstrosity is a mob represented on a statue, so I think we shouldn add it. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 19:36, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I got rid of that section, i think putting random mobs because they are mentioned in trivia's is stupid. James Haydon (talk) 20:06, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * ya--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 21:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Jailor & warden
The jailor is from the jailors scythe
 * But there is fox armor wither armor Black Wolf Armor & The Monkey Motivator and they dont have have mentioned mobs so
 * why does the jailor?
 * And the warden has the old name of highblock halls so why do you have that to?--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 16:41, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * This is why I asked for help to expand the page as soon as I created it! These mobs must be added to the page! And the Warden is NOT the Warden from the Caves and Clives update, this is why he has HighBlock Halls in :::::his name (He is an Illager as the Jailor and he is the Warden of the HighBlock Halls exactly), for not to be confused with the other Warden and for not subject to speculations. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 19:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * there is also the hungry horror, The red snake, and the pink scoundrel.--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 15:57, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't be adding mobs just because they are in teem names or are mentioned in trivia, i went ahead and removed that section. James Haydon (talk) 20:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 20:17, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Music Soundtracks
Can someone explain me, why are removing the links to the music soundtrack of the Bosses?PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 22:27, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * As mentioned in their edit summaries, it could potentially violate the video policy. James Haydon (talk) 23:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. But we need to put the soundtracks in the mobs pages, it's a very important sound! PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 23:32, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I Agree, ill ask about it. But i am assuming is that it was copyrighted, since its longer than 30 secs. I think that we should put the music in the sounds section of each mob, provided that's it 30 seconds or shorter. James Haydon (talk) 23:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 10:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay this was their response: "Yes, we should not link to copyright violations on youtube. And a youtube link is especially inappropriate in the lead paragraph of any article. The purpose of those links smelled like clickbait to me, a means to attract views to someone's personal channel. I have no objection to short sound clips uploaded to this wiki and embedded in the article". James Haydon (talk) 18:02, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Mobs Health
An unregistered user, decrease the health pool of many mobs (ex: decreased the minimum health of the vindicator from 12 to 10) can anybody check if it's true or fake? PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 11:18, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you mean this user who edit health sections? The Great Spring (talk | contribs) (Tagalog translation) 11:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 12:18, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * A lot of the info they put is highly trivial and speculatory, which is expected of an anon user. Me along with have been undoing a lot of their edits due to their addition of unproven information on minecraft dungeons mob pages. Im pretty sure that ip your talking about is  but please let me know if im wrong. James Haydon (talk) 18:06, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * We are going to block ! 105.184.208.156 20:40, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Lol okay, this isn't the admin noticeboard. James Haydon (talk) 02:03, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Well ... if the information is false, I will revert the health section to the old one. Can somebody help me? PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 10:40, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Here is the list of mobs that 116.88.2.69 has made changes on health since the 12th of this month:




 * Yea again seems questionable considering the time it would take to have to look at all those mobs and go into the files for each one and try to look at the health of them for each difficulty. I hardly believe that an IP user would be able to do such research in just a couple of weeks. James Haydon (talk) 17:17, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yea, I doubt he can even read the health code. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 17:54, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The only people i believe that can truly access the in game files for minecraft dungeons are and  along with some other Chinese users (i cant communicate with them). So i might put a request in he dungeons wiki channel. James Haydon (talk) 17:57, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I need help. We need to block 116.88.2.69 if he continues. He is reverting my edits (Ravager) and he is putting false health again and even sometimes removing the health (armored pillager). PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 17:07, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes there is already a discussion about this on the admin noticeboard but no progress has been made on there and they still make disruptive edits. They remove health tables claiming that they are false but how do they know that, they never told us where they got that info from and how they managed to figure out its wrong. Some of their edits are useful, but most are disruptive, poorly written, speculatory/nonsensical edits with no proof, and their lack of discussion is not helping them. James Haydon (talk) 19:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I think he doesn't know that there are talk pages and another to communicate, he even sometimes tries to communicate through editions on the mobs pages. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 20:13, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Well that's shocking if they don't know about talk pages. I mean, we tried contacting them through talk pages but they didn't answer after months of waiting. They don't even read other people's edit summaries and just keep adding it, so they must be really ignorant or they just cant bother with simple reading. James Haydon (talk) 20:29, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 116.88.2.69 continues changing and eliminate the health of mobs, lately he has been making changes especially in Ravager. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 13:42, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay you can always put their ip address in the Block reports section on the admin noticeboard. James Haydon (talk) 19:31, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 22:01, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

The Mage Again
After months of research about it, I FINALLY found what the mage is and I reach some conclusions: a guy named zozozrob loves to upgrade minecraft dungeons mobs (we even have his Wind Caller upgrade version on this Wiki instead of the official one) and he made a tweet called: "I reworked the texture of a deleted mob from Minecraft dungeons, the mage" the mage is an illager resembling a purple iceologer with golden edges and zozozrob claims that: "it appeared at the same time as iceolager" "it was removed completely" "I opened the files in one of the updates an I found it". It remains to be seen if he is lying, or if he is telling the truth and then we have to put it on the wiki.

Links to information about the mage:

Zozozrob Twitter: https://twitter.com/zozozrob1?lang=en

The Mage Tweets: https://twitter.com/zozozrob1/status/1311046387782627329/photo/1 https://twitter.com/zozozrob1/status/1316105932443652104/photo/1

Disscussion between me and zozozrob: https://twitter.com/zozozrob1/status/1342850541190311936

PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 17:53, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That's very cool, didn't know how you managed to find it but that's some nice effort. Ill go tell the others. James Haydon (talk) 17:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thaks. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 17:56, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * New information: he said the mage must be in the September 26th game files. We need to look there or even asks to Mojang if necessary. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 18:05, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Minecraft Dungeons has an official twitter account (@dungeonsgame), so you should ask there or reach out to the head developer of minecraft dungeons. September 26 was right before 1.4.6.0 was released. James Haydon (talk) 18:27, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Good news, went into the files and found out t was in the game files as early as 1.1.1.0 with it having .uasset files and .uexp files there. I'm currently waiting for him to unpack them. James Haydon (talk) 18:46, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There's no need to wait! Go on my conversation with Zozozrob he already available the Mage's files to me! MAGE EXISTS!! YEAA!PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 18:52, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay but i do have the image texture files now, so this is very real. James Haydon (talk) 18:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm already working on his face! PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 18:55, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Based on the face texture, this was most likely going to be in the Iceologer's place, before it got replaced of course. Also the uasset and uexp file just made a bunch of useless .pskx files. But at least we found a texture for it. James Haydon (talk) 19:45, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Interestingly at that time the illusioner was blue like in the base game and the mage was purple, now the illusioner is purple and the iceologer is blue. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 20:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Wait, how did you know the illusioner was once blue? Can you give me proof? James Haydon (talk) 20:55, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That's not what I meant. The illusioner in the base game is blue and it was from it that the dungeons illusioner was created and possibly changed its color because of the mage is pruple. For Dlc dont have 2 purple illagers they removed the mage and created the iceologer. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 21:15, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay that would make sense why they removed the mage, because they didn't want 2 illagers of the same color. James Haydon (talk) 21:22, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Exactly. But it is only a possibility, it is not confirmed that the mage was removed because they prefer the illusioner, it is just strange that they have the same color and one of them has been removed. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 21:26, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay i guess it could have also been that the mage wasn't really winter themed, like the iceologer has ice related powers and wears blue clothes, which is associated with cold stuff. James Haydon (talk) 21:30, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * One more question. Does he have sound files, like other unused mobs? PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 21:35, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * So far there are none, but there are animation files. James Haydon (talk) 21:40, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It is sad to think that is possible that exists more mobs like this and that they will never be discovered, remaining only in the files without anyone noticing. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 22:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Well there will be a chance we'll find it given that you can search through the files and that developers will sometime mention them in tweets, like with Zozozrob. James Haydon (talk) 22:57, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's true and we should be happy because we revealed one more. Any way: there are problems with the health again (Description in the discussion above). PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 18:13, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

The Quest Giver
Sorry if I am wrong, but I remember hearing something about a villager called Quest Giver. Can somebody check his existence in the gamefiles please? PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 12:54, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay ill ask someone who can on discord. James Haydon (talk) 19:14, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Welp, looks like whoever told you was correct, there is a texture file and a lightmap for this quest giver. James Haydon (talk) 19:56, 30 December 2020(UTC)
 * Another one that is revealed! It is already the third. In fact, my source is just a personal mistake. I have a folder with minecraft dungeons textures that I get from many ways. And today I noticed that in the Merchants section there is one more texture called Quest Giver. I only created this discussion because the texture looks official and it is official. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 20:35, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay someone is making a render. Ill make the page then. James Haydon (talk) 20:40, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I've already have an image of him (which still doesn't have good renders). But I'll put it on the wiki as a beta image.He also seems to have a crown but I'm not sure how it looks. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 20:44, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I realized that it wasn't even necessary. So quickly! PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 20:51, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That's why i was on discord, so someone could make a render quickly. James Haydon (talk) 20:53, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I've already put the crown on his face. It's possible to say that the page is finished. PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 21:33, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes because it is finished and has been for a while. James Haydon (talk) 19:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Obsidian Monstorsity
Who added this mob to the list? Statues are not mobs even if they look like ones 177.68.136.196 16:07, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It's removed, this is not a statues page. James Haydon (talk) 19:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Web Spider
In the files of 1.7.3.0, a friend found a file about the Web Spider. There's over a dozens instances for level-specific mobs. Maybe the Web Spider is a unused variant of the spider. Or maybe the web shot by the spider (like the ice cube attack of the iceologer), can also be considered a mob. What do you think? MBK Legend (talk) 18:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There's a high chance that it could be a texture or an animation for the spider but ill ask. James Haydon (talk) 18:52, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have new information about the Web Spider. The Web Spider is a unused variant of the spider, not a texture or animation. Maybe that could be a mob for the Howling Peaks DLC? MBK Legend (talk) 16:51, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm, ill ask the folks on the discord for any in game files info about it. James Haydon (talk) 19:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you found the some type of texture or sound, or any trace of this mob? PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 20:28, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I am waiting for a response. James Haydon (talk) 20:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Also how do you know its a mob and not the spiders web MBK? James Haydon (talk) 20:34, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There's 26 tga (image) files on the version 1.7.3.0 of the game, with this mob. There's a model with the texture, it's very green in the head, looks like moss. I can show the model, if you create a page of the Web Spider. MBK Legend (talk) 18:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay ill create the page then. James Haydon (talk) 21:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I made it, just scroll to the scrapped mobs section. James Haydon (talk) 21:17, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The model is finally on the page. Now, what we need to the page is a face texture. MBK Legend (talk) 19:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Based on that texture, it doesn't seem to have eyes at all. Could there be an issue, or was it not properly finished? James Haydon (talk) 22:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. I'll create the face image tomorrow (if nobody creates it before). And another reveled mob!PedroDungeons1776 (talk) 23:18, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yea, but this is great, me manage to find more unused mobs just by snooping in the files. The fact that it was added recently leads me to believe this might be planned for an upcoming DLC or event. James Haydon (talk) 23:26, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Armor materials should use on Armored Pillager, Armored Vindicator and Armored Mountaineer?
Since the Armored Mountaineer released, there's been a problem. If Armored Illagers need to define the material the armor is made of, like gold and diamond, what about Armored Mountaineers? In the game files, the Armored mobs aren't labelled as gold or diamond, but instead are called Variants 1 and 2. The same two variants exist for Armored Mountaineers, but we can't exactly call them gold or diamond. I think we should start calling the types of Armored mobs variants instead of naming the material type. Or calling the material type instead of Armored mobs variants. (Thanks for Oreli help me wrote this! ) MrAlanWong (talk) 06:02, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Based on the renders, their armor appears to be made out of leather or something similar to that. James Haydon (talk) 15:25, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * But their armor also have diamond-like and gold-like buttons as Armored Vindicator, Also their weapon, mountaineer pick also look like made by diamond and gold material. It made me confused. MrAlanWong (talk) 02:53, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay so you want me to rename their image files to Gold Armored Mountaineer and Diamond Armored Mountaineer respectively? Ill take a closer look at them but i don't recall seeing a lot of fancy gems on their outfits. James Haydon (talk) 03:40, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I did see what you are talking about but ill have to do a little discussion with other dungeons wiki editors before this change happens. James Haydon (talk) 14:28, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I mean we can label if its black as gold and red as diamond Witherbeam (talk) 17:28, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, but there are buttons on their clothes that indicate the material type. James Haydon (talk) 19:06, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep and the pink Armored Mountaineer (unused) Uses the same texture as the red armored mountaineer.--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 16:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * But obviously pink colored instead. Still not getting any response, will post again soon. James Haydon (talk) 16:25, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * OK--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 17:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Minecarts are mobs?
I did not check game files but are minecarts are mobs right? THENOMNOM (talk) 00:31, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I will contanct to check the game files. TheGreatSpring (talk | contribs) (Tagalog translation) 00:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Technically there unattackable mobs--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 22:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * They're not though, they're something called "level prefabs". James Haydon (talk) 22:25, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh ok--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 22:28, 25 January 2021 (UTC)--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 22:28, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you're wondering why, one of Oreli edits sates this. James Haydon (talk) 22:32, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thx--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 22:39, 25 January 2021 (UTC)--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 22:39, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Planned Mobs?
There are planned mobs in each upcoming DLC but there not in the DLC mob category so how do we know about them.--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 17:46, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Because they are still unconfirmed. You have to wait until mojang releases more info and adds more game files to put that on the page. James Haydon (talk) 18:29, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * How Do we know about the mobs though?--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 21:51, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Because the mobs already listed on this page were seen in the early alpha gameplay and stuff datamined from the game files. All the other stuff is just complete fanon. James Haydon (talk) 21:55, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ya a fandom said that the ocean DLC will come out in a week, fanons always lie.--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 22:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That's because fanon is just fan theories, not actual truth. That's why it has "fan" in the name. James Haydon (talk) 22:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * exactly and around what time we have guessed does the next DLC come out, i know we don't actualy know when but what geussed time--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 22:17, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Idk either, but looks like mojang is working on it considering its been over a month since Minecraft Dungeons got its last update. James Haydon (talk) 22:19, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep--JudahPlayzGamingYT (talk) 22:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

About the Geomancer Wall and Bomb
I don't know if I have to start this discussion in the Geomancer page or in the Geomancer Wall and Geomancer Bomb, so I decided to put here. If the Evoker Fangs are merged in the Evoker page, the Abomination Vine are merged in the Jungle Abomination page, and recently, the Ice Chunk page are merged in the Iceologer page, any particular reason so that the Geomancer Wall and the Geomancer Bomb don't have your pages merged in the Geomancer page? MBK Legend (talk) 16:58, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Because they are two separate entities instead of one separate entity like the abomination vine or the ice chunk. They also have their own individual sounds. I think that that's a lot of content to merge on a single page. James Haydon (talk) 17:00, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that they should be merged into one page. They don't have that much information and their descriptions merged would make a page a little bit bigger than others, but it will still be easily readable. Thejoaqui777 (talk) 17:11, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay I made both of them into redirects and put some info from the on the Geomancer page. James Haydon (talk) 17:25, 26 January 2021 (UTC)