User talk:Smirkenbowls

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Translation problem
Hi Quatroking, I'm a minecraft player from hungary, and I would like to take part in the hungarian translation project. Only problem, that it's not possible because the website software says that I don't have the right to create new pages. Is there a solution by any chance? I would like to create Items/hu and pages like that, not whole new wiki pages. Thanks, Kenkesey8 ''Also, this is my third attempt to get an answer for my question. Just saying. Seems like this is a dead page.'' --Kenkesey8
 * In order to create pages and upload files you need at least 10 edits, having your email confirmed and be registered for 3 days.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  19:49, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying this quickly. How can I achieve 10 edits? Shall I go and correct some misspellings? Does this small letter count as an edit? Thanks. --Kenkesey8 14:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think, in fact, that your 2 messages on this page might already count as edits :) --Gemberkoekje 14:20, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * AFAIK edits on userpages/talkpages do not count. You can easily achieve 10 edits by correcting existing articles; rewording, correcting grammar, adding extra info, stuff like that.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  14:26, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, than I guess I have to go and find myself some flaws in the database! Thanks for the advices! --Kenkesey8 16:06, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Why was the Sandbox deleted?
It's specifically to try out your editing skills, so why did UltraDude25 delete it?

--Booyahhayoob 17:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * 12:17, 3 April 2011 Ultradude25 deleted "Minecraft Wiki:Sandbox" ‎ (This page is useless. If you want to screw around with templates do it in your userspace.) - Special:Log/delete -- Oliver Scholz -  de.Wiki Admin  17:55, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Considering this is about an action performed by Ultradude25, please ask him instead.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  18:12, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I deleted it because It has no point. The only possible reason to have it is if it's ignored by the recent changes list, so using it doesn't spam it up; but it IS included, so you may as well play with templates and wikicode in your userspace. Having a single page for it is just going to lead to people fighting over the space and putting useless spam in. – ultradude25 ( T at 06:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Just saying
Your icon is cute. *scurries away* I was going to ask you something, but then figured out the answer to it. Bwahaha. And then I didn't know what else to say here. --Artsy 13:48, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I am the king of cute!!!--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  13:56, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Wool
The Wool page still appears to have the vandalized image. I don't know if this is just my computer, so can you check it and modify if necessary? Thanks. JesusChrist666 01:25, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's just you. Refresh your cache.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  08:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Typo on "Minecraft Wiki:Directors"
Hey, I noticed a typo on Minecraft Wiki: Directors but couldn't fix it because the page is protected. In the introduction part of the page, the line, "This page and it's talk page is to facilitate communication between them and allow all of the various language sites to work in sync with each other." should read "This page and its talk page is to facilitate communication between them and allow all of the various language sites to work in sync with each other.". The typo I fixed was changing "it's" to "its". Could you please make this correction for me? Thanks, O x g u y 3  t c 21:10, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

User:Wiki master and the Notch page
I noticed you've been closely watching the page Notch; I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that the “He has a lot of friends ... and Megabuilder” sentence was added by Wiki master whose later edits were also reverted as being more obviously off. Perhaps that part should also be checked? —KPReid 13:59, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, this Megabuilder person is the guy Notch sat with at a cafe, and the person who suggested dogs/wolves. However I still haven't been able to find any sources on this so I'm leaning towards removing the entire line altogether.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  16:44, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Reverting move changes
I tried to revert one of the (many) page rewrites by Olitted Form, but the page which had been overwritten is now blank. How can this information be recovered? The pages in question were Cooked Porkchop and Monster Spawner, the latter of which is now blank. Darkid 01:17, 23 April 2011 (UTC) And it fixed itself. Huh. Darkid 01:18, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Working on it.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  01:18, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone got Bedrock too. JesusChrist666 01:22, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Same guy, all changes have since been reverted, however some page links seem to be malfunctional. Darkid 01:24, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed all redirects as of now. Darkid 01:33, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, we're most probably going to throw move rights into confirmed-only seeing how much of a pain in the ass this is.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  01:35, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's usually a good idea to make important pages (like templates and high pageview articles) move=autoconfirmed. Otherwise you get a lot of trolling, especially when a wiki starts to get popular. Gopher65talk 23:58, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Minimap Page
Notch mentioned adding minimaps. You can read it on http://notch.tumblr.com/. Should this get a page? JesusChrist666 00:26, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Personally I wouldn't, because the information he gave is very minimum and there are no examples at all. The article would mainly consist out of speculation and hardly anything legit.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  07:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Tutorial: Shelter_Types
This morning I tried to get into the article 'Tutorials/Shelter_Types' and my computer blocked me from it. I'm using my school computer, but it allows me to display all of the MCWiki pages except Tutorials/Shelter_Types. I'm not concerned that I'm blocked, because I can use another computer; however, I believe there might be something malicious on that page. My school blocker only blocks maclicious content. If there's nothing there, don't be worried. Thanks! --R ocĸetor talk  11:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly what warning does it give? I can't find anything on the page that might be causing a block.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  12:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

move files
Hi, can you move the files to "Achievement" please? :( I've called it wrong.

File:Archievement-Getting Wood.png

File:Archievement-Benchmarking.png

File:Archievement-Time to Farm.png

File:Archievement-Bake Bread.png

File:Archievement-The Lie.png

File:Archievement-Time to Strike.png

File:Archievement-Monster Hunter.png

File:Archievement-Cow Tipper.png

File:Archievement-When Pigs Fly.png

File:Archievement-Time to Mine.png

File:Archievement-Getting an Upgrade.png

File:Archievement-Hot Topic.png

File:Archievement-Delicious Fish.png

File:Archievement-Acquire Hardware.png

File:Archievement-On A Rail.png

thx -- 20:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You'll have to delete them all and re-upload them again, I can't move them because of conflicting filenames.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  21:36, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, they exist in german-wiki already, please delete them in a few minutes -- 21:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

New page/upload file
How do I do either of these?!

Thanks.

-stripminer123


 * Join the Autoconfirmed users group. – ultradude25 ( T at 10:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

New cloak
Can you please add this: to the Skin article? The cloak was given to dannyBstyle. http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/60980770084364288 Somebody500 (有人500) 15:50, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm the Minecraft Wiki head administrator!
¡Soy el administrador principal de Minecraft Wiki! (in spanish). Milogullon 16:26, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Multicraft changes reverted
May I know why you reverted the addition of hosting providers that use Multicraft bundled from the page? Jamesf
 * We're not an advertising service.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  19:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The section was created to inform users of services available with the software bundled should they not want to set it up themselves, just like on the page with the mcmyadmin panel http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/McMyAdmin#Services_using_McMyAdmin What's the difference here? Jamesf
 * Oh. Well, nevermind then, sorry for reverting. Feel free to re-add it. (and please, sign your comments)--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  18:24, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Unlocking the Minecraft Skins link section?
I've learned my lesson from our link war. Can you please unlock the skins page? It's been over a month now, I promise to play nicely.

MCSaver.net
Hi there. I run MCSaver.net, a map/world recovery service. A lot of people are still losing maps, especially with 1.6 out now. I was wondering how I would go about getting representation on Minecraftwiki, since its a resource people often go to for help?
 * (please sign your comments next time!) If its an application, you can probably throw it in that section.Just don't make it too advertise-y.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  13:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Peaceful to Hard to Peaceful Mode
I was just wondering if you were on Peaceful mode on Minecraft Beta 1.6.6, and it was day. Then you got in your little hideout at night, all safe and protected, and turned the mode on Hard. Then, you waited till sunrise, when all the skeletons and zombies catch on fire, and you turned it on Peaceful. Would the stuff that the skeletons and zombies drop still be there for you to collect? yes. changing difficulty will not affect the item entitys--Higbey 00:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Herobrine
In most wikis, anything that is "notable" gets a page. Why not add this page, with a clear header indicating it is a joke, and with factual information such as:

Herobrine was the subject of a persistent urban legend centered around Minecraft. The persistent stories held that Minecraft hid a human NPC by the name Herobrine. The NPC was alleged to build its own mines and homes, and to haunt, taunt, or observe the player in SSP. Although Notch frequently stated Herobrine was a false rumor, he often played along, fanning the flames with tongue-in-cheek twitter posts. In version 1.6.6, he attempted once again to lay the rumor to rest in a tongue-in-cheek manner, by officially declaring that Herobrine had been removed from the game. It is currently unknown whether Herobrine was always a joke, or whether such an ultra-rare NPC did, at one time, exist in the game.

I'm not trying to jump into a delete war here, but Notch is obviously in on the joke, and the topic definitely has notability. And, Herobrine has of course now made it into the changelog, lending further weight to a purpose for this page. TheNthDoctor 17:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree, herobrine is a good part of the game because of it being a sort of minecraft mystery and deserves a page,i mean no matter what people will still hear about it, and by deleting wiki pages and forum posts your just making the myth seem even more true because of the bit about posts being deleted on the forum.--Higbey 18:14, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI, I am still in full favour of this page (that's not a thing that stopped happening), despite being demoted twice for it. and I really hope you guys can come up with a way to make the page eligable, which I believe means showing admins, specifically quatro, that the page is noteworthy and needed.


 * (like the fact many do not know who he is until they see it, and the fact that we have a page for lanterns which were only mentioned, as herobrine once was. in fact, it's the same situation, if you think about it. only it has more history. and the fact the polish wiki has one but has a disclaimer etc. etc. etc.) --Kizzycocoa 18:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * In most wikis, mods and tutorials aren't even allowed. In most wikis, even considering fancontent would get you shunned. - We're not "most wiki's" and we do not allow fancontent.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  12:23, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, if that is your opinion, prove it. Answer this, then: How is herobrine different from spleef, so that spleef fanfic is acceptable and herobrine fanfic not? Notch has tweeted about both of them, told jokes and so on. Both are well known and have shrines etc. on many online servers. Both are made up by fans. So, where's the big difference? Can you tell? | TheKax |   Talk   18:18, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Spleef is pretty much the only official minigame in Minecraft, while Herobrine is a forced meme. It's like comparing Football to the Flying Dutchman. If anything Herobrine should be mentioned somewhere, something I've been looking at lately. (this is only because Notch keeps forcing the meme) Just because Notch mentions it every once in a while does not make it fanfic. Spleef eventually got played on pretty much every servers, had servers dedicated to the game, got played by everyone of Mojang, etc etc it grew out of fanfiction. Also, how can you possibly "prove" an opinion? It's my opinion.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  19:21, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Meant to prove that it doesn't deserve an article. Now, if we want this article made, how about copying the one in kizzycocoas userspace, Have an big bold text in the beginning to just make sure everyone understands it was a hoax, and then protect it (I know what happened to the old one. The current page prety much tells just the facts and is thus OK IMO, and should be kept like that). PS. seems the arguing has no point anymore, but I'd still want to say there are lots of herobrine shrines and people who really do search for him (poor guys...) online (and offline ofc). And then there's the mods (no, they aren't the reason to give herobrine an article!) and skins, popularity. One really good point brought up by... Erm... Someone, was that the "myth" of herobrine told that forum posts and articles regarding herobrine were immediately removed (well this pretty much DID happen on the wiki articles...). If we just laid down the facts, it would be useful for newbies (I can imagine how dumbfounded they can be of this kind of ghost story) and veterans alike. Just to add "completeness" to the wiki. Then, rule 3A. has an exception (spleef), and rule 6 is pretty much enforced using common sense ("...if the user in question has a certain role in the community." There's no way to measure roles.), and I do think herobrine falls under the category of allowed articles, even taking rules into concern. | TheKax |   Talk   11:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It does not deserve an article on its own, at most being mentioned somewhere. This is because its a (forced) meme and was brought up by trolling in the first place. Spleef on the other hand was not forced, was brought up by some guys making an arena on a server and just thinking up some rules, and eventually a lot more other people started playing it. Having that said, we've been over this full-of-shit character who knows how much times. It will not get its own article, end of story.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  11:36, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say herobrine is forced. And how is it forced? No-one forced people to hunt for herobrine. No one forced who-was-it to make the adventure game series "Escapecraft", where you escape herobrine. They didn't force Notch to tell those jokes. The concept of meme is, that it spreads freely from people to people. That's what happened to herobrine. A meme cannot be forced. "Forced" and "meme" rule each other out. How was herobrine "forced"? I think you are viewing this subject from a very narrow scope, and I can't see how it is right to dictate this decision over a democratic vote of 28 vs 3 (as on kizzycoca's userspace), just because there is an admin among those 3. That is NOT democracy. You cannot say democracy on a wiki wouldn't work, since most of us are not trolls or vandals. The idea of freely editable wiki is powered by democracy. (I'd say there was that guideline somewhere, can't tell where though. I'll look it up.) BTW, About football and Flying Dutchman, both have an article on wikipedia. Oh, well, if I may ask then, what would perhaps be the "being mentioned somewhere"'s somewhere place? | TheKax |   Talk   15:43, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This wiki isn't a democracy, and Wikipedia has both Soccer and The Flying Dutchman because they're an encyclopedia about just about everything. I was saying that comparing spleef to herobrine is about the same as comparing soccer to flying dutchman. That wikipedia has articles on both these topics has nothing to do with this.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  15:59, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm quoting that. And Re-ask: "Oh, well, if I may ask then, what would perhaps be the "being mentioned somewhere"'s somewhere place?" | TheKax |   Talk   16:03, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh whatever, fuck it. Here you guys have your stupid page and I don't want to hear a single further. And the word you are looking for is "Oligarchy".--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  17:36, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok. Sorry if it caused too much hassle, but just, thanks. | TheKax |   Talk   07:34, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Language Pack
Hey, I've updated the Language Pack section and corrected some things. I added my Language Pack instead of replacing the other one!

Skincraft page?
Hey, why was the Skincraft page deleted? I'm quite new to the Minecraft Wiki and I thought I would add my 2 cents with something I found, it's quite discouraging to then find out it has been deleted with no explanation or attempt to work it out. I may not have put the page in the right place, or something like that, and if that's the case I apologise.. --Toby1066 17:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if you find this discouraging, (I marked it for deletition), but please, read through the wiki rules at the side bar. To keep the wiki lagless and reliable we do not keep articles that are related to fan made content (those things should be posted to appropriate articles like texture pack or programs and editors). | TheKax |   Talk   17:37, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * To keep the wiki lagless &mdash; adding a row to a few tables won't lag the wiki in any way. — μchip08 17:32, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Adding a single row does not, however, if this rule isn't enforced, it will result in adding 1000 rows more, since rules must be the same for everyone. That would lag. -- | TheKax |   Talk   16:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Experience orbs are based.
Experience orbs are based and have solid evidence - the 1.7 change list, and that evidence was the first time we heard of Huge Mushrooms, which were later confirmed, so I think it is legit to say that experience orbs worth a page--Yurisho 14:54, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There is no solid confirmation and the article (and "evidence") was based on a half circle that wasn't even more than 50 pixels. Until Mojang will release solid confirmation there won't be an article.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  15:02, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Though I understand that the Experience Orb article was pure speculation, now there is no mention of the odd item present in the screenshot. Should there be?  Though no one really knows what it is, the circle is an object in development just like the Ruins and the Huge Mushrooms. There may be no official confirmation, but there was none for Crying Obsidian and there was an article for that (though was confirmed later).  Verhalthur (talk)(edits) 16:50, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * --Yurisho 17:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Just a question
I have a question. Do chickens die if not able to wander around? Iv'e found that sheep do. I have a pet chicken ( I think they're cute ) and so you see my dilemma. --Miner4Life 16:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)Miner4Life
 * No idea.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  16:36, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, do chickens climb ladders? --Miner4Life 16:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Miner4Life
 * No idea.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  16:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh well. Thanks! --Miner4Life 16:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Miner4Life
 * Try the forums and/or IRC channel ;)--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  17:16, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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Crashing
Everytime I open Minecraft, it crashes about a minute later. I know its going to crash when the blocks I had just mined look the same, but other blocks and objects (including my charecter) can go through them. Also, when I look at the ground I can see tunnels. And then the game crashes. My brother also has the same problem (on a different computer) except on his, there are dark spots with the mining problem and all blocks placed there are invisible, and you can see the network of tunnels through them (he was delighted to discover he has been through more than half of them). '''


 * Please sign your messages, and refer to the forums and IRC channel for Minecraft support. --Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  18:46, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Please block Abama
all of Abama "contributes" are advertises for his server, please ban him.--Yurisho 13:34, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Please use the Minecraft Wiki:Admin noticeboard for these types of requests. That way ALL the admins can see it rather than simply directing it at Quatro. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  15:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Why Deleted My Translation Pages, You Noob!
Why Did You Deleted Them, Tell Me. --Pikachu4170


 * As Quatroking is offline at the moment (at least, he is on IRC), let me say that you're calling the lead admin of the wiki a noob.
 * Furthermore, only one language page was deleted here in the past few days, and that was not made by you, nor deleted by Quatro.
 * Also, please refrain from insulting someone without knowing the entire story. records show you were part of a translation project. try to see if you have been granted your own domain, which would make all translated pages on the english wiki deleted. --Kizzycocoa 16:05, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * All of the Spanish pages have been moved to the Spanish Wiki. You'll be able to find your pages there, although you will have to register there again. And as Kizzycocoa said, please refrain from insulting users.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  17:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Spikes Page
Hi, I just wanted to tell you that the page about the forthcoming Spike blocks hs vanished. Did you delete it ? If you did, for what reasons ? --THX 1138 4EB 09:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I did delete it, because the stub was based on a single, vague, tweet. I'm look at ways to get rid of these kind of vague article so that we won't have a dozen of stub articles like these.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  11:39, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * OK no problem :D THX 1138 4EB 15:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Reticle
My bad, i thought that was the name of the new mob Notch was adding (and yes, apparently it's Enderman.) Sorry for the trouble! Deathgleaner 17:26, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Editing question
I am a new user to the wiki and have an editing question. I recently created the page Tutorials/Texture packs. It has been suggested I either change the name, or merge with Tutorials/Texture Packs. I would prefer to change the name. Is there anyway I can do this? --fireglo450 5 Aug, 2011, 9:41 p.m.
 * Just select "Move" in the taskbar. For more information on moving articles with Mediawiki, check this article: Wikipedia:Moving a page--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  19:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

'Scuse me sir, you're a sysop right? Could you please tell me how to change my skin to Monobook?
 * Monobook is no longer installed on the Wiki.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  12:06, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I iz hazzing mental probs!
I just got on this wiki, and I do not know how to get myself a logo-Or whatever its called! Don't say I am stupid, I am just a noob on this wiki! EDIT: Its the pic u put on above the real name, occupation, nationality, and known for thingy! Eviscerator11 21:31, 8 August 2011 (UTC)Eviscerator11
 * Just upload a file and use the template.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  21:36, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Another Question, (Sorry)
When Notch adds torches being put out, will he add a setting to where they don't burn out, since that's my only light source, and I am too lazy to put them back.(If he is going to implement the setting, can someone give me the link to it, please?) Eviscerator11 04:43, 9 August 2011 (UTC)Eviscerator11
 * No idea, we have nothing to do with the development of Minecraft, we only document it.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  12:12, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Archives?
Do you know how to do archives of talk pages? I wanted to archive some of Talk:Known bugs because it has 145 topics, some of them from 1.0. Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 16:09, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Just make a new page here: Talk:Known bugs/Archive_1, then go edit Talk:Known bugs, cut the text and past it to the archive page. And then you could add a link to the archive from the main page, just add this text to the top:


 * And that should do it. [[Image:TK.gif]]  | TheKax |   Talk   16:16, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * PS. if you happen to do it, don't just cut everything, leave, like, 10/20 newest topics, so people won't get lost. [[Image:TK.gif]]  | TheKax |   Talk   16:18, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.  Frankly, I'm shocked that the talk page was so damn long in the first place.  Verhalthur (talk)(contribs) 16:27, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Release date is the 18th.
Please see: Template_talk:Releasedate.

The release date is the 18th, as it will coincide with MineCon according to: http://minecon.mojang.com/. -- { Fishrock123 } (Talk) 02:24, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Could the Releasedate template please be updated accordingly? -- { Fishrock123 } (Talk) 20:34, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Regarding latest changes on the Dutch wiki
I see you've updated nl:MediaWiki:Sidebar with Minecon 2011, but it's missing a "|" between the URL and description, so the link doesn't show up. And you've renamed "Buskruid" to "Buskruit", that's a good one I haven't noticed myself when I updated that page, thanks! -- Archomeda (talk) 15:00, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit: You've edited some dates on the main page as well, but in Dutch we use lower case letters in the months ;) -- Archomeda (talk) 15:10, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Goed gezien. En gebruiken we in NL echt kleine letters bij maanden? Kuttaal ook. T'is belachelijk dat m'n Engels tegenwoordig beter is dan m'n moedertaal.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  17:27, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Haha :) als je veel dingen in het Engels doet, dan kan dat gebeuren ja. En yep, data in NL is met kleine letter, zie bijv. Wikipedia. En nu weet ik ook meteen hoe dat andere heet waarin Engelse woorden vertaald in het Nederlands alsnog los worden geschreven: Engelse ziekte. Heel toepasselijk :P maar het moet wel vermeld worden in de wiki, heel veel pagina's hebben dit probleem...
 * Trouwens, nu ik toch je aandacht heb, de NL wiki is erg langzaam zodra de job queue een beetje vol staat (na het updaten van sjablonen e.d.). Misschien is er een serverinstelling fout of -probleem? De Engelse wiki heeft hier minder last van zo te zien (daarentegen zakt het aantal in de job queue nou ook niet echt hier...) -- Archomeda (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Grote sjablonen nemen meer tijd in beslag naar mate ze op meer pagina's gebruikt worden. Ik zit er over te denken om het vertaalsjabloon helemaal weg te krijgen door de woorden vast in de artikelen te zetten, iets wat de laadtijden behoorlijk moet versnellen.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  18:19, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Ik had dat ook al voorgesteld aan STS voor bijvoorbeeld het objectsjabloon die bijna op elke pagina voorkomt, maar ik heb nog geen reactie. Bovendien zit het vertaalsjabloon ook behoorlijk in de weg op dit soort sjablonen omdat deze direct vanaf de Engelse wiki zijn overgenomen (sjablonen worden ingewikkelder om te updaten e.d.). Ik zou wel kunnen kijken of ik een duidelijke vertaaltabel kan maken die overzichtelijk en makkelijk toegankelijk is. Als je het wil verwijderen (of eerder langzaam afbouwen), laat het me weten zodat ik de pagina's kan veranderen die ik heb geüpdatet (begint bij "been" en eindigt nu bij "slijmbal"). -- Archomeda (talk) 18:45, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Het beste is om te gaan afbouwen van het vertaalsjabloon en onafhankelijk hiervan te worden. Dit scheelt tijd bij het corrigeren van woorden en het verlaagt de druk op de server.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  18:58, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Oké, dan ga ik dat doen. Ik heb een tabel gemaakt die afgeleid is van het vertaalsjabloon die ik ergens ga plaatsen (kan naderhand weg als alles erop staat), maar voordat ik dat ga doen, mag ik de gebruikersportaal leeghalen en een overzicht plaatsen van projecten (in dit geval nog maar één: opschonen en vertalen)? Op dit moment is de portaal een zooitje van losstaande berichten. -- Archomeda (talk) 19:41, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Ga je gang.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  19:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Whew... het gebruikersportaal is weer overzichtelijk met projecten. Ik heb ook een aantal sjablonen aangepast zodat ze het vertaalsjabloon niet meer gebruiken. Ook al is de job queue op het moment niet leeg, de wiki zelf is nu al merkbaar sneller :). Ben benieuwd wat je ervan vindt. -- Archomeda (talk) 23:30, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nu ik een aantal sjablonen heb veranderd, loop ik een beetje vast op Grid/Crafting Table en Grid/Furnace. Het is niet zo moeilijk om de afhankelijkheid eruit te gooien, maar zodra dat gebeurd is, verwijzen alle afbeeldingen daarin naar de Engelse pagina's die niet bestaan. Nu zijn er 3 dingen mogelijk:
 * Engelse pagina's aanmaken en door laten verwijzen naar de Nederlandse (net zoals de Duitse wiki)
 * Aparte vertalingslijst aanmaken die de links verwerkt (nadeel: opnieuw afhankelijk van zo'n lijst)
 * Alle termen omzetten naar het Nederlands (net zoals de Franse wiki, nadeel: alle huidige afbeeldingen moeten óf verplaatst óf opnieuw geüpload worden)
 * Mijn voorkeur ligt bij de eerste, omdat deze op dit moment het makkelijkst door te voeren is. Wat vindt jij? -- Archomeda (talk) 13:04, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Redirects van Engels naar Nederlands is hier de beste oplossing en het is ook nog eens handig wanneer mensen zoeken op Engelse termen.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  13:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh... ik heb een paar dagen niets kunnen doen omdat ik met wat andere dingen druk bezig was. Kom ik nu weer kijken omdat ik wat verder wilde gaan, schijnt de Nederlandse wiki eruit te liggen :p. Ik weet niet wat er aan de hand is aangezien ik nu pas weer kijk, maar ik krijg een foutpagina van Curse dat de pagina niet gevonden kan worden. Is soms de wiki verwijderd of is er iets anders aan de hand? -- Archomeda (talk) 21:36, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ik weet op het moment ook niet echt wat er mis is, DE ligt er ook uit. Ik denk dat het iets met de toevoeging van Korea en China te maken kan hebben, maar op het moment is het enigste wat we kunnen doen wachten. (je kan mij trouwens ook vrijwel altijd bereiken op EsperNet, zie de IRC)--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  22:22, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for helping my refs.I didn't even think of that! Welp, Thanks! Yours truly, Ajc_1254 15:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Minecraft Job Posting
Hello,

I work for WonderHowTo.com, and we're currently looking to hire a Minecraft community admin/writer. You can view the ad here: http://blog.wonderhowto.com/blog/were-hiring-wonderhowto-seeks-minecraft-community-admin-0129391/

Is it kosher to post this on Minecraft Wiki? And if so, where is the best place to do so?

Thank you,

Rachel

(you can email me at rmansur@wonderhowto.com if you prefer)


 * Hello RMansur, it may be better to ask User:Wynthyst about this, as she works for Curse, and such advertising would have to be approved by them first. Cheers, and good luck with the search! 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:21, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * As Dinoguy said, might want to contact Wyn about this. You can also ask around on the Minecraft irc channels on EsperNet although I'm not sure if all channels are okay with advertising job offers. I'm pretty sure the average age of the IRC'ers compared to the forumers is higher, however, if that's any use for you.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  08:22, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

thanks for your help! :) Rachel
 * Hi Guys, and Rachel, I just wanted to let you know, it's against Curse.com policy to allow job postings on either their forums, or wikis. IRC would be fine, since that's not a Curse property. Good luck! -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Dutch wiki
Hee Quatroking, ik ben sinds gister begonnen met het uitbreiden van de Nederlandse minecraftwiki en het uitvinden van de juiste codes voor plaatjes, doorverwijzingen etc. Zijn er nog meer mensen die dit doen? Is er een centrale plek waar je kan overleggen? Wie leidt deze mensen? Zijn er regels? Kortom, wat moet ik weten om zo snel en goed mogelijk te helpen de Nederlandse wiki een goede informatiebron te maken. Herkio 17:30, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Op het moment worden de meeste dingen besproken op de Gebruikersportaal, hier kan je alle informatie vinden die je nodig hebt.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  19:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Link target discussion on Directors page
Hey Quatroking, since I can't comment there myself, I figured I'd leave this with one of the involved people and have them repost it there for me. Wikipedia has a Javascript-only solution which causes all external links to open in new tabs by default. I'm not sure it could be copied straight here, or if it would require a bit of tweaking to work properly, but it's an angle to consider that wouldn't require Curse to install another extension. Cheers! 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

deleted page...
Hi there!

A day or two ago, we had one of our translated pages deleted by you. It was The Second Day, under Tutorials. We wish to know why it has been deleted, and/or how can we go on in translating this page. ^^

Tutorials/ptbr/the second day/ptbr

Also, the main page Tutorials/ptbr was deleted..

Same questions, how can we keep translating? Is it because we allocate the page in a wrong way?

Thanks a lot,

TheArvie

TheArvie 15:48, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * This is why ;)--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  20:02, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Stronghold Coordinates
Why did you totally delete them? They have been confirmed by several people, including myself, as a real and adequate example of a stronghold. Is it againt the rules to add coordinates? Cleverlynamed1 17:30, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Because the location of Strongholds depends on what seed is used. Any such list of coordinates is useless unless the list covers every possible seed, and then it's useless because of the sheer insane size of the thing. If you want to try listing Stronghold coordinates, you need to do so on your own website or find someone else willing to let you do so on theirs. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:34, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * However, if the seed is given, as it was in this case, are the coordinates not always valid? You seem to imply that this wiki is not the place for coordinates, even valid ones. If I am inferring correctly, can you give me reason for this? Cleverlynamed1 17:38, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Because the list is useless if you only list the coordinates for a single seed. How many people are going to create a new map with a given seed just to find a stronghold, instead of looking for one in their main world? Sure, some will do it if they've never found a stronghold before, just to see firsthand what they're like, but most people will want to know where they can find one on their map, which means that to be useful to even the tiniest fraction of such people, the list would have to contain millions of different seeds; this is neither desirable nor practical for a wiki. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:45, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In addition, every time the terrain/feature generation code is changed, the location of every single stronghold on every single listed seed would change. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:46, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. You have explained your position well. But I am seeing an inherent philosophy which you are attributing to the wiki which may or may not be true. It seems that you are saying something like the premise, "If and only if something is useful to a great number of people, then that thing is suitable to the wiki." I must ask then, how great a number of people must a piece of information serve before that piece is worthy of the wiki? Furthermore, how do you know that a possibility of exploring a stronghold in game, even if it is only inside of a new map, would not be something desirous to a great number of people? Even a number which fits your description for that which is worthy of the wiki. Cleverlynamed1 17:54, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It's not about numbers, it's about immediate usability of the information. The fact that pistons cannot push obsidian is completely useless to the vast majority of players, but for those that do benefit from it, it is immediately applicable in any relevant situation, on any map, with any seed, in any version of Minecraft after the introduction of pistons. Stronghold coordinates, on the other hand, are only applicable to people who are looking for a stronghold, only on maps with one of a select few seeds out of the trillions possible, and then only on one or two versions of Minecraft. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:01, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Pretty much how Dino explained it.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  18:07, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Again, fair, and again, well stated. I would ask two more questions then, so as to flush out the inherent concept or value which all information should have to be added on this wiki. Obviously this is an important concept, and one worthy of discussion! So, I appreciate your wisdom on the subject.


 * At this moment, I am understanding your definition for what I will call "valuable" in the wiki to be "Something is valuable in the wiki if and only if it has immediate applicability in "minecraft-ing in all versions, in all cases." Now, I must know if this is what you are saying before we can explore the important subject of "value" here, so I must ask the question, "What is your definition for what is valuable, that is to say, worthy of indoctrination, into the wiki?


 * Now, specifically to coordinate/seeds. I must disagree that a coordinate/seed is not immediately useful. I say that it is useful, in the same way that a picture or a link is useful. A picture, which does seem to be valuable in the wiki, is nothing more than a visual, two dimensional example of a particular occurrence or object in the game. A coordinate/seed is an in-game, three dimensional example of a particular object/area in the game. Now, while this serves to establish similar qualities, it does not allow us to attribute value to a coordinate/seed yet. However, we can probably glean from that which we know of a picture what is valuable about it. I would say, from my own experience, that the value in a picture comes from the mass of knowledge that can be amassed by looking at something. It serves to show visual appearance, potential uses and the way it interacts with its environment, among many other things depending on the content of the picture and the complexity of the subject. As it is said, "A picture is worth a thousand words." I feel that it is the information contained in these "thousand words" that makes the picture useful. Now, we can see that this same mass of information is present in a seed/coordinate. One can wander in through the object, see it from all angles, inspect it and learn a mass of information much more quickly that one can read it. Assuming the information one would gather could even be expressed in wiki form. Now, one could argue, although I would not think it prudent, that the necessity to start a new game diminishes the value of the information. To be honest, I see no reason for this whatsoever. All of the information is there, and I see no cause for ease of access being in any way related to value. Even this wiki is not in game, and one must exit to come here. This is where my previous analogy of a link comes in. It is direction to somewhere one may receive more information on the game. These qualities are what is valuable in a link, and, are qualities present in a coordinate/seed as well.


 * As to your argument that it is not valuable because it differs with the terrain generation code. I agree that this does offer a case in which the vast information in a coordinate seed loses its usefulness. However, this could be easily remedied by changing it to a version/coordinate/seed layout, rather than eliminating it altogether. Cleverlynamed1


 * It's not immediately useful because we're striving to document how the game works independent of any customizations a user can apply to the game. A specific seed is a customization. It's akin to documenting how mods affect things; we don't. They have their own pages, but they don't affect the main articles. --JonTheMon 18:51, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * As Jon said. I could've worded my above reply better; a better way to phrase it would have been "non-volatile" versus "volatile" information. Any information that could be added to the wiki and that is specific to individual seeds is inherently volatile, both because it is different for every seed, and because it is different for most versions of Minecraft. This, combined with the sheer number of possible seeds, means it is beyond impractical to document here. On the other hand, a mob whose behavior changed with every version and patch would still be worth documenting, including noting how its behavior has been changed over time, because that information is non-volatile in the sense that it can be applied regardless of what map seed a player might be using. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:52, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * (Thanks for fixing my indent) Really it seems that your definition has been reduced to, "That which is not relevant to the wiki, is that which is relevant only to a single seed." While this is a good and workable definition for this particular case, it doesn't serve to answer the question of what is valuable to the wiki, and what is not. This is not the particular forum for that discussion though perhaps, and we should continue that another place. I believe that having universal standards for what is necessary for and valuable to this wiki would be invaluable. That way, any time there is a dispute, we could merely point to the definition and thereby solve the dispute. Where do you think this conversation should be started so as to get the most helpful input, especially of the admins? Cleverlynamed1 22:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The main gist of this wiki is: document vanilla minecraft. Providing a specific seed is a bit beyond that. Also, you've been discussing with one admin (dino) and the other admin (this page), also agreed with dino. --JonTheMon 22:20, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * But that begs the question, "What is "Vanilla Minecraft?" It is imperative to have a very detailed philosophy of what can be integrated into the wiki that even our respected Admins are subject to. This is to promote unity in the different Admins, as well as more easily display the will of the Admins for the direction of this wiki. Cleverlynamed1 22:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Would like your opinion on this...
... if you have the time. It's the one on talk pages grounds for deletion. I think it could really help the wiki.