Talk:Java Edition upcoming features

No longer upcoming
Features have already been release. Should I move the info to version history? Tulaash 22:36, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

lanterns
At minecon notch said that due to negative feedback he is no longer happy with the idea of lanterns, though there may be some new light emitting blocks in the future, there was a video on IGN, but it's moved, if I find it again I will link to it, but I think it would be safe to at least put a note in the lantern section that it's unlikely. Cultist O 02:43, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

For that matter, shouldn't Lanterns be removed entirely?

Eventual Features, etc.
The things in the Eventual Features section have been mentioned or considered, but many of them aren't likely to be added, or have no concrete proof that they will be added for certain. I propose that we either change the name of the section, or separate it into two sections depending on likelihood of a particular thing being added. --Pizza2004 02:32, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I would suggest anything that doesn't have a citation and anything that they have said they are considering, but didn't say for certain should be moved into a 'Possible Features, etc.' section, so that it is easier to see what we know is coming at some later point and what we may possibly get. --Pizza2004 02:37, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll try and separate these into two sections : planned features and eventual features. Give me a feedback. ^.^ --SwissTHX11384EB 14:18, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

This Talk Page
The talk page is filled with old or junk topics, which makes it a mess and needlessly long. I propose that someone goes through to see which topics still have relevance and clean up the others. --Pizza2004 02:41, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll archive some of the posts. --Saphireking65 18:47, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Zipline
Notch said he would like to add parts of the Zipline mod into Minecraft. Even though he said parts, he must be adding rope. He MUST be. You can't have any zipline-related stuff without rope. Anyone agree? --ChasmicActivity 21:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * While this is true, the information that we have suits what is said just fine for now. --Fishrock123.png (Talk)(c) 21:57, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree what is a Zipline with out rope you can't use string.--Spyman00 14:51, 15 February 2012 (UTC) –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Spyman00 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 23:41, 4 February 2012. Please sign your posts with
 * Just type four tildes ( ~ ) -- Orthotope 00:01, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

They have added string being put on the ground. -oplopy1234

Sims_doc: String isn't the same we need actual rope that can be used for lines and bridges and expand the game. Change is good in most cases.

Easier Server Setup
Swedish tweets between jeb_ and krojbxilef:

K: @jeb_ Kommer ni på Mojang att fixa till servrar så att de blir lättare att starta en egen, jag och många andra tycker att det är för svårt.

J: @krojbxilef Japp, det är planen för 2012

Trans: "Is Mojang going to fix servers so that it's easier to start an own one, me and many others think it's too difficult.

Yeah, that's the plan for 2012."

So, easier server setup for 2012!

Source: https://twitter.com/#!/jeb_/status/139712255938920448


 * What is hard about setting up a server? You just need to doubleclick the file!? Please clarify ~Anonymous
 * It is indeed NOT easy to setup a server. You not only have to start the server program, but also port forward, as well as make sure your server can support others. And don't get me started on fixing issues that arise. --Saphireking65 18:46, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

i agree with ^. i can't seem to get it to port forward, easy setup would be great

Well, the problem with making easy port forwarding setup is that port forwarding involves changing system settings that are protected, in most cases, from access from third-party programs. NighttimeDriver50000 21:29, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

-1- I was thinking... 3 buttons. -A- Open to LAN -B- Open to whitelist -C- Open to public. ~diamondload

C418
C418 has mentioned making music specifically for creative mode in his blog. Should this be included? Link: http://c418.org/blog/post/48 He also included more details in the comments.

Next Version Release Section
With the release of two pre-releases that clearly show upcoming features, can someone who knows the wiki formatting stuff better than I do renable that section (apparently it is hidden) and add the contents that appear here and here for Version 1.0.1? --Sandman 06:34, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

1.5?
Someone reverted the page to 1.5 for some reason, so I undid this so it is now back to 1.1.0. --Mini Munch 17th December 2011 16:40

Mod API Removed?
It appears as though someone removed the mod API listing from the page. The only rationale I can see behind having that done is that it isn't something that is being implemented into gameplay, but it is an upcoming feature to Minecraft regardless. If there are no objections to this statement within a week, I will re-add it to the page. --Sandman 19:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

smelt gravel?
troagador has used the last 5 edits to repeatedly add + remove gravel smelting paragraph. why?√Onion=Shallot 09:56, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

a theory would be to grief a part of the page and then hide the edit from direct sight. user:lordcat33 14:44 8 February 2012

I dont know about you, but i think that this smelted gravel is going to be the new villager path block.

world height
it was the first thing i tested when i got 12w06a and the world height has not been increased.
 * It's not out yet. and sign ur name! From Moi, Ajc_1254 21:11, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Snow golem bug
Under 12w06a, snow golems are harmed by both rain and snowfall, as opposed to just rain.Firebastard 08:28, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

lol,that is weird snow should heal them or make them grow,yeah that would be cool if snow made snow golems grow.(hint hint)--Spyman00 15:00, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

"redstone operated lamps" could be the "lantern" item planned for halloween update?
on oct 31st 2010, the "halloween update" was supposed to have lanterns that would be infinite light sources when torches burn out. perhaps this is similar. maybe torches won't burn out, but maybe lanterns are going to be implemented as redstone-powered lights instead?

Frog
At minecon notch said he would add frogs to sprucen up swamps and he said they would spawn on lilypads


 * Proof? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:46, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Lump read?
It's best if we removed the snapshot references and jibber-jabber and just combined it into one giant lump. ajmax8 23:24, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

The hieroglyph sandstone block(s)
Why is it assumed that the hieroglyph textures in the terrain.png will be the textures of two blocks? Couldn't they be the sides of a single one? MicroBlogganism 21:15, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * IDK. I will change it to 2 new textures, then.From Moi, Ajc_1254 23:56, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

What is LWJGL?
What is it? I know it's coding, but hat does it do?From Moi, Ajc_1254 23:59, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

LWJGL stands for LightWeight Java Game Library, which is used since July 2009 by Minecraft. It's a required dependancy that manages audio using OpenAL and graphics using OpenGL. By default, Minecraft downloads an outdated version of LWJGL which may be updated (fixes stuck keys bug, may improve performance). C ali nou - talk × contribs » 00:15, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Reference video removed.. Should we remove the Ref Link?
Reference video removed.. Should we remove the Ref Link? Ref[11] (Minecraft Documentary 2)

Yea you should

dinnerbones bug fix list, Jeb stating 1.2.4 will be out thursday
I'm using a tablet and so the page refreshed on me while I was grabbing links, so I only have dinnerbones link  just scour Jens Twitter for 1.2.4 confirmation

Internal changes
What means "important internal changes"?

Question
Isn't Citations, references and sources‎ supposed to be used in conjunction with this page in some way? --74.105.185.97 09:14, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Why aren't there any shields, fried chick, roast beef, bacon....You should be able to cook eggs, make a elevator, lift whatever you want to call it...and why can't the color of the wool also change the color of the bed sheets....I have to end here I have too many ideas to add to this game. I bet i could make it ten times better wit simple stuff....find me more at antonjohnson2012@gmail.com07:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)TotalMiner

Because minecraft is a SURVIVAL game. The only two good ideas you had are the bedsheets and shields. The rest are just variations of items already in the game.

Ghost Entities under the command of Lord Herobrine?
W. T. F. ?!!! What is he REALLY fixing when he says that?

please sign your posts with 4 ~

Same goes to you, person above me! 50.125.28.182 22:47, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Paintings
Can't you already change those via texture packs? heck, I think there is a little space for additional images in the paintings texture file. So what does it mean by custom paintings? 141.225.226.108 00:15, 5 April 2012 (UTC) EliteCreature


 * It means additional ones made in-game independent of the texture pack. -- Fishrock123  (Talk)(c) 00:34, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

New Music: In 1.3?
I've watched the minecraft news video, and yes, it says there will be more music in the future, but that this will be in the very next version, I must have overheard if it is said. Mikosch 11:04, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If I heard right, he wants to release it when he has 40 minutes of music. This release could be before, at the release of, or after the 1.3 update. Funky3000 16:01, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly this is what I mean. If you look at the list, it appears as it would be confirmed for 1.3. I wonder whether it should be changed. Mikosch 16:51, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT: I changed it now.. I really can't find a note that it will be in the next version. Mikosch 13:37, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Excellent source that needs to be watched
found an excellent thread where a Minecraft dev does Q&A with some users. We can sort through some of this and figure out what's definite enough to add to this page. http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/s2oqp/i_am_erik_broes_aka_grum_developer_of_minecraft/ --Moxxy 22:36, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

API name will be "Plugins"?
This page makes the claim that the official API's name will be "Plugins" -- yet the source cited only indicates that extensions to Minecraft using the API will be called plugins (like extensions using the "Bukkit" API are called plugins). Should this be corrected? 97.125.121.36 16:54, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Nice catch. --timrem 17:01, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Features contained in snapshots
Should features already contained in released snapshots be listed here or not? Worldofminecraft 20:07, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, because features in snapshots will very likely be in the next version of Minecraft. Funky3000 20:43, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Edits, edits everywhere
I'm sorry for being a bit pissy here, but... I subscribed to an RSS feed of this page's history, so I'd always be aware of what kinda stuff's going to be included in the game next. But... Good. Lord. There are so many pointless edits that completely clutter my time. Stuff like minor edits just to reword sentences (that were perfectly fine in the first place), and all for naught, seeing as a few weeks after that "fixing" edit, the article'll be cleaned to contain info for the next release. And then there are those edits that add completely obvious speculation. Then there are those that don't add references, those that add references but do it wrong, then the reference is fixed, then there are those that don't have a reference, later add a, and are later removed, then there are the edit wars... Man, only 10% of the edits are actually informational.

I propose a couple of things. Either add a huge warning on the top of the page saying that one should only add stuff if s/he knows exactly that it's going to be added, and knows exactly what s/he's doing, as well as a few instructions on how the guidelines work.

Alternately, you could limit the page to only be edited by a select few. All addition/deletion suggestions should be posted on the talk page.

...Or if no one's interested in making this a clutter-free wiki with correct, efficient and fast-flowing GOOD information... can someone tell me another way to keep track of what new content is really going to be added to the game? Espyo 00:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * By this post you are disagreeing with the very system and purpose of wikis. Personally, I make lots of adjustments on this page because they are needed. Do not think that so much of all the modifications people make on it are useless. Just check the page from time to time. Anyway, is it really a vital problem ? At your place I'd be very happy of this wiki that is edited a lot ; it proves people care about it a lot and want it to be as precise as possible ^.^ SwissTHX11384EB 15:33, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Creative mode movement
I saw that flying in water or lava doesn't affect your speed anymore, according to the recent edit. Anyone tested webs yet? Funky3000 19:18, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Cocoa Beans drop from pods or leaves?
The page says both, and I'm unsure which to belive. From Moi, Ajc_1254 23:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Pods in 12w19a are confirmed. Rare cocoa bean drops from jungle tree leaves was the behavior in 12w18a. Does anyone know whether the drops-from-leaves behavior has been removed in 12w19a? McKathlin 04:05, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they are. I thought I had mentioned in my edit to add that back, that from a podless tree, I got a cocoa bean from the leaves after setting up a TNT on the leaves. It was one of the large trees, and I haven't seen pods on any of those, just the small ones. So, confirmation for drops from both sources. Funky3000 19:23, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

i think the drops-from-leaves behavior has been removed in 12w19a, cause i never get cocoa beans from large jungle tree leaves since then. I have a large Jungle-Tree-Farm and cutover more than 100 Trees and never get one cocoa bean from the leaves(tested it in all snapshots from 12w19 to 12w24) 172.17.2.184 09:40, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Seeing Apples/Cocoa beans on trees
What if we could see apples and cocoa beans on the tree?

Better dungeons, Waterfalls, bigger rivers, Shipwrecks,Useful zombie drops(Ideas)
What if there were all those things?-Imthebest10

First thing, there are already waterfalls. Second thing, I consider iron a useful mob drop.

Sims_doc Bigger and deeper rivers would be decent. Shipwrecks aren't really a first choice since there isn't access to larger ships but its welcome.
 * Well guys, there ARE waterfalls. Going down the side of a mountain, there are usually some water streams. Also, I have encountered a terrain generation error, where when I finally generated the chunk, there was a waterfall.It&#39;s ahme,  AJC! 14:01, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

SSP
do SSP still will be in 1.3 or it is gone

First, sign your name with four ~. SSP will become a local-based multiplayer server, which means as long as nobody on your internet wants to be on your world, it will be SSP. SSP as we know it will be gone, but not completly.From Moi, Ajc_1254 18:22, 16 May 2012 (UTC) There is a magical thing called a WHITELISTItalic text. Use it.
 * Not any whitelist on SP. Learn before you post.It&#39;s ahme, AJC! 14:01, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I was using the current snapshot when i wrote that, and there was a whitelist. They removed it the next snapshot. Sorry, 68.231.126.31 16:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Spawn sheep
in one of the snapshots, when you spawn a villager from a egg, it will not be farmer, but it will be different. Shouldn't when you spawn a sheep, it will be white,grey,brown,black,and pink.XXminerXx 23:47, 20 May 2012 (UTC)xXminerXx Tell Jeb that, noone here really cares or finds that useful. …Because you obviously can't just dye the sheep, right?--99.25.90.235 17:39, 30 May 2012 (UTC) P.S. Why is this in a weird box thing?

Currency speculation
I think the speculation about the new villager currency should be removed. The article says that the currency may be rubies, but the only thing the currency and the gemstone seem to have in common is that they're red. If there must be speculation in the article about the currency name, then call them coins. Now I'm going to speculate (don't add this to the article). Since the image showing the currency also shows that Jeb's inventory has a lot of redstone dust, maybe the coins are made from the dust. I don't think the currency being red like redstone is a coincidence. I think this is more likely than the currency being rubies.76.181.65.128 19:15, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that it's a coin and not rubies. I doubt Jeb having all that redstone is a coincidence, especially considering it's the exact color as the currency and a common complaint has been excess build up of redstone for people who don't use it. --Moxxy 19:20, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Foofoofoo. There's either a new redstone texture or a new ore, it's on the right hand side of the new trading picture. It looks like a Ruby Ore kinda block, and it is the same shade(or about, since the inv. darkens the rest of the world) as the new 'coins', and they certainly look like rubies. Maybe the ore drops a ruby, and you craft the currency with redstone and the 'ruby'.From Moi, Ajc_1254 20:36, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It's probably just a new texture for redstone ore. - Asterick6 (talk) 06:52, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Just more evidence against this ruby argument. Rubys are one of the most valuable gemstones, in fact, more valuable than diamond, so, 4 rubys for a leather tunic is completely illogical. maybe it will be a pigmented quartz.
 * Well, that's true for Minecraft. In fact is ruby more valuable than diamond since rubies cannot be found in Minecraft yet. IRL that's completly nonsense. --Kumasasa 06:33, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

No! a perfect ruby is worth MUCH more.-Boulder119

Since it shows that 4 'coins' equals 1 piece of leather armor and 20 raw chicken equals 1 'coin' (or maybe it's 1 raw chicken for one 'coin'), the Trading system will be another complicated feature, like the potions. But, I think it's pretty worth it :) JonL21 01:16, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * "Rubys are one of the most valuable gemstones, in fact, more valuable than diamond, so, 4 rubys for a leather tunic is completely illogical. Maybe it will be a pigmented quartz."-Boulder119


 * Here's the thing about Minecraft. IT'S COMPLETELY UNLOGICAL. Seriously, you need DIAMONDS to break Obsidian? And Obsidian is blast proof? Obsidian can be broken with a small rock, and it shatters into a million pieces when exposed to an explosion. Also, there's no undead, no Hell(Nether), or Endermen, Creepers, Strongholds, Testies, or a lot of the stuff in Minecraft. So, why not have rubies as currency? Would you rather Gold, and not have a new ore? Also, rubies are a common basis for currency, most all games use the ruby or some form of it(I'm looking at you, Zelda games!), along with it LOOKS like a ruby, and just because rubies are valuable doesn't mean they can't be used for low-classified items like chicken.Enough proof?From Moi, Ajc_1254 20:12, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

For the path block, its probably smelted gravel. One of themojang employees (dinnerbone, i think) was tweeting about it. I know that minecraft is illogical, but I think that they wont make four ruby sell for a leather tunic. (sorry, i dont have curse acount, so ill put my mc username) -Boulder119
 * OK, let's put it in Zelda terms. Would you pay 4 rupies for 20 arrows? When you could pay 1 more and get 30? It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense. It's Minecraft for goodness sake, and it's set currency. Would you pay $2 for a pack of TicTacs? No. You need to stop thinking about making MC make sense to people in the real world like that, all the goos ideas involve defying logic.How else would we have all this technology today to have a debate with eachother without outside-the-box thinkers?(Even though Jens isn't thinking out-of-the-box, he's making sense with ruby currency.)From Moi, Ajc_1254 12:05, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, this debate is over, 12w21a is out, and they are emeralds, so I was kinda right.From Moi, Ajc_1254 15:37, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

How about we accept that both of us are wrong. Do you know how rare emerald ore is? (is it common)-Boulder119

Remove Things saying notch is working on
Can we make a not somewhere that notch is no longer working on minecraft and so all things not was working on will probably not happen

Notch is still working on minecraft, he's just not the head developer. 96.18.184.210 20:30, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

He actually doesn't work directly on it anymore but these will be kept here as long as they were not expressly cancelled by Mojang employees. Otherwise there would be too much uncertainty. SwissTHX11384EB 15:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

They certainly should no longer be under the title of "planned" but moved to a new section along the lines of unlikely/speculation etc. They were planned when Notch had creative control over minecraft, but that is no longer the case, what happened with the Sky Dimension is a good example of this. There is no longer any evidence that any of the Notch additions are still planned. 220.244.39.225 01:52, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

For many things in that list we don't know whether they are still "planned" by mojang. But I don't think there can be made a clear cut between things that are coming for sure (are there any?) and things that are not. So I'd keep the list as it is but maybe change the title to express this fact. Sky dimension is different, because it's confirmed not being planned anymore. Worldofminecraft 14:39, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Reasons for going to specific biomes already here?
"Jeb stated during his Dreamhack presentation that they were planning on adding more reasons for going to specific biomes." Desert pyramids? Cocoa beans from jungle trees/cocoa saplings? Jungle temples? Emerald ore in hills only? 212.180.179.34 14:44, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

1.3 Release Date
nstead of being this summer, (for those who live in Australia, like me) It should be this season. Because its Winter over here, I think it gets a little confusing thinking that its two seasons away.

Sky Dimension
Jeb has said that they are not planning on adding a Sky Dimension. https://twitter.com/jeb_/status/219758430276173824

--LonelyGalaxy 14:30, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Sims_doc: I was very unhappy about that, Alot of the community was looking forward to that dimension. I personally feel that @Jeb mite be trying to remove as much of @notch ideas as possible but that's all speculation and not fact..

Maybe horses.
http://twitter.com/jeb_/status/220133852692217856

A modding mod
i think the easiest thing to do is that minecraft will make an officical mod for adding or changing or removing non-gui and non-redstone blocks,recepies to blocks and items,potions,edit the enchanting,edit block drop,texture,adding achivements and etc. building this mod won't be so hard because you can only make buttons that add or change subs after clicking and writing. so please do this!!! this can help you!!!! and who know,maybe one of the mods of the modders wil be added to the officical game

Death Counter
Dinnerbone made a modded client for a recent livestream, said client containing a death counter. Dinnerbone has stated that he will add the Death Counter in a future update, however I have no references to that. If you find one, please add it to the page. Thanks :)

Elf03413 22:14, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

"Possibly changing the surface block type of Superflat worlds."
This is entirely speculation based on one screenshot and is completely unconfirmed. For all we know, Dinnerbone could have just set up a flatworld with stone instead of grass to test something or simply make the screenshot look different. Imo, this line doesn't belong with the confirmed upcoming features. E-102 Gamma 05:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * the link at [38] is the same as the one at [15], talking about baby villagers. someone should fix this. 58.7.129.18 10:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, get your own topic. >:U E-102 Gamma 02:24, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

1.4
When is 1.4 coming out I can't wait. Will someone plz tell me. It's not on the page and I really want to know.


 * If we knew, it'd be on the page... –ultradude25 (T&#124;C) at 15:00, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Where do they put snapshots (other than the Version history/Development versions page?108.202.228.226 15:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Multithreading and Pigmen
Multithreading and Pigmen are already added features, so why are they still on the upcoming features list? They should be removed. 50.98.196.31 21:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * well to be honest I don't know what multithreading is, but pigmen are not implemented, Zombie pigmen are. There is a skin included in the game files for non-zombified pigmen, and it has been discussed that they might enter the game at some point in that form. Cultist O 04:11, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Placing adventure blocks
I have noticed that there is no citation for "Only OPs can place it in multiplayer." It is possable that a non op may be able to place the block using single player commands, an op or someone else that has cheats can use the /give command for someone other than themselves, and that one may be able to obtain it by running over the item (some one who already has the block can press q to throw it.108.202.228.226 15:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

A new hidden item in "items.png" in 12w34a/b
In 12w34a and 12w34b, there is a new unused sprite in the file "items.png". It's next to the Emerald and it looks like a cross or a shuriken. Does someone know what this could be ? Missingno 26 14:05, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

your right... i will add it to the page -mivanit

Emerald Tools and armor
Anyone else agree with me ...now there is really no point with tools and armor there will be a point:) Deblob167 02:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)Deblob167

The talk page is NOT a place for Minecraft suggestions!
This talk page is NOT a forum, it is where you discuss changes to the upcoming features page on the wiki, NOT where you talk about Minecraft in general! learn the difference! Also, help me categorize the different new features into sections. I started doing so, but so far it is rather disorganized..

Halloween 2012
New updates are coming out at Halloween. Halloween Update II. This will be great! Deblob167 04:17, 29 August 2012 (UTC)Deblob167
 * "Are" implies certainty. Even Jeb doesn't know. Either way, the Halloween update was one of my favorite times in Minecraft, I don't think anything could top it anyways. --Moxxy 04:22, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, that wraith boss would seem apropos... perhaps a new "undead world"?  (I'm a little surprised they haven't adopted one of the mod worlds yet, such as the Aether or Waste, but whatever.) --Mental Mouse 19:14, 29 August 2012 (UTC)