Minecraft Wiki:Community portal

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Mob Grinder Page?
I've noticed many people need help with building different forms of mob grinders and the mechanics behind them. Maybe it's time to create a page for them? I would be happy to add any instructional images or text as i have quite an experience with them. Tobz1122 14:38, 6th November 2010 (GMT)
 * Tutorials go in username/pagename. You can make as many grinder tutorials as you want under your user. Jaeil 22:08, 11 November 2010 (CST)

Isometric Renders
What do you guys think of the new isometric renders I did for all the normal sized block pages using Template:Block? I'm aware that they're a bit bright, but it was my first try at blender and I just wanted to see how they fit in. I also couldn't decide if isometric or perspective rendering looked better, here's a comparison. --ultradude25 21:44, 19 October 2010 (CDT)
 * I like isometric much better than the old versions. Yes, some of them are a bit eyeburning, but thats nothing a quick image edit shouldnt be able to fix.Toadbert
 * Isometric would look a lot better imo. --DigiKep 04:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you going to get the rest of the pictures sometime?Toadbert:
 * As soon as I mange to model and UV map the other block sizes. It's surprisingly hard to get it to line up to Minecraft size. --ultradude25 05:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally I think having a slight perspective on the render looks better. Not as much as the original images though, they just looked distorted! DannyF1966 05:15, 21 October 2010 (CDT)
 * Alright I've redone them all with better lighting, plus I've done the field block which is the first different sized block. --ultradude25 11:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

"Environment" category?
This idea occurred to me after I put a lot of pages into the "Mechanics" category and in doing so, took Light out of that category (because it's not mechanical). That particular change was undone as it left the Light page uncategorised, so I suggested on the talk page for Light that we create a new category called Environment for things like Day/night, light, blocks, sun, moon, fluids, plants and so on. The suggestion wasn't picked up on over there, so I thought I'd suggest it here as well. DannyF1966 15:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I dont see why not.Toadbert


 * That sounds better. Samka 21:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I've created the Enviroment category page and linked some things to it, I don't want to go overboard by linking all the individual plants and blocks etc, I think just linking the relevant category pages should suffice. DannyF1966 21:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * We could add the blocks that occur naturally, actually. Toadbert
 * Phew! Done, I think! DannyF1966 21:47, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I see this being potentially being used for Biomes, as well.--GrokMonkey 17:42, 21 October 2010 (CDT)

Image for deletion
I think we need to delete. There is. Zaqq 13:07, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Separating some articles
Some articles like Apples, Mushrooms, and Mobs ought to be separated. They are all separate things. Apples and Mushrooms, i could understand if they dont get separated, but Mobs? Theyre all their own different thing, and it just makes sense (to me anyway) for them to all be their own article.Toadbert I agree, especially if we can expand the articles. "MyrDestruction 01:29, 25 October 2010 (UTC)"


 * I don't think the apple or mushroom pages need to be separated. If we split them, then the pages would be stubs anyway. But I think each mob should have its own page. The mobs page should just list the mobs and give a summary of each one (and talk about the future mobs). PurpleKiwi! 16:59, 27 October 2010 (CDT)

new monster
i when playing the game i found even on peacefull a monster. i gues its the new monster the said there is gonna be. its a blob like thing .if you kill a big one it seperates into smaller easier to kill ones.very annoying!!!
 * That would be a Slime. Notch accidentally made them spawn on peaceful.  That will later be corrected :D -Phoenyx 22:04, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

"subject to change" template?
should this be made? case and point, bookshelves may have writeable books in future. boats may be towed together. apples may be cooked in future etc. etc. thoughts? --Kizzycocoa 22:32, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the problem is that there's too much that's "subject to change", since the game is still in alpha. Even torches (if you ask me, the most essential item in the game) are likely to change in the future, so we'd be slapping this tag on every other article. I vote we don't introduce such a template. Noroom 12:52, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I'd say this can apply to about 80% of the articles here. --Izacque 19:42, 28 October 2010 (CDT)

Alot of recent additions gone missing?
I noticed alot of discussions and such have gone missing, and alot of things, such as the big giant page this Wiki had detailing every block has been split up into individual pages for each block. A good example is when you Google "minecraft wiki Talk:TNT". Here's the first result:


 * Talk:TNT - Minepedia - The Minecraft Wiki!
 * 12 Aug 2010 ... I just noticed the part of this page where it claims that the blast radius of TNT is 5x5x5 when put at the center. ...
 * www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Talk:TNT -

[http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:g1jtqTfBvd4J:www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Talk:TNT+minecraft+wiki+Talk:TNT&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca Here's the cached version of the page. Note the IP address. When you check it's contribs...]

Nothing at all....

Did I miss something? 24.226.58.7 17:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * A lot of spamming and trolling happened on the wiki recently, and SOMETHING happened that reverted a good chunk of the wiki back to what it was on July 30/August 1. Most of the changes that have happened to pages since then are gone, although some things have been fixed. --Coolpilot 17:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Is there any chance that admins will be able to get these changes and additions back? I'd like to point out the Redstone circuits page, where a lot of work has been lost. --Toi333 18:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Just Google search the page, look at the cached version, copy and paste, done. Here's the cached version. Alot more stuff seems to be on the cached version from Google, than on the current page. It'd take alot of copy/paste work to fix the current page and make it look like that cached version. 24.226.58.7 18:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not as simple as that. There were lots of diagrams for the designs of every gate. The cached page doesn't contain these diagrams, and they are the things that matter the most. --Toi333 20:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Notch Time
someone NEEDS to make this page. is it ok to do so?--Kizzycocoa 03:33, 20 August 2010 (PDT)


 * What is notch time? Toadbert


 * http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time
 * but, for notch.
 * for example, SMP was promised to have been released months ago. there are some more, but idk most of them.
 * it would mainly be a joke, pointing out errors in his releases as with VALVe, while being informative. if you get what I mean.--Kizzycocoa 05:34, 26 August 2010 (PDT)


 * I say go for it, itd worth some lols. Toadbert
 * If its mainly going to be a joke, then I don't see a reason to make a page like it. It wouldn't be related enough. However, I think you could add it to the Notch article just fine in a new paragraph.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 16:13, 26 August 2010 (PDT)
 * well, that page is a joke there. and it's in a "SERIOUS BUISINESS" forum. trust me, some of those guys are pure nazi's of the internet. not all, but some of the "professionals" who have done maps for source since they were 2.
 * still, another paragraph is fine I guess. :) --Kizzycocoa 16:28, 26 August 2010 (PDT)

Game Mode Work
Im going to move the current "Survival" article to "Survival Mode Test" and leave Survival as an article referring to Alpha for the time being and talking about Indev, Infdev and SMT. Anyone have suggestions/complaints? Toadbert
 * 2 words.
 * "Disambiguation page" :3--Kizzycocoa 13:54, 26 August 2010 (PDT)


 * Wouldnt it be easier to just separate SMT and use the title notch gave it in old version updates though? Toadbert
 * yes, but, would it be the right thing to do?--Kizzycocoa 16:26, 26 August 2010 (PDT)
 * Why not? Toadbert
 * because survival is the name for the old one. SMP is a misnomer, as Survival Test was meant to have multiplayer, but it's been delayed all the way until infdev, so both have HUGE differences. I personally think it couldn't hurt to add a disambiguation page.--Kizzycocoa 16:32, 26 August 2010 (PDT)
 * Where was survival made the name for the old one?Toadbert
 * when notch decided to call SP tests of survival "survival mode test", and made it free.--Kizzycocoa 16:36, 26 August 2010 (PDT)
 * Ok Toadbert
 * Woah, what happened there?
 * I mean, "when he decided to call the first SP survival mode (with mobs in)".--Kizzycocoa 16:55, 26 August 2010 (PDT)


 * Just checked Minecraft.net's stats page. "Survival mode test" is one of the sections.Toadbert

ALL THE IMAGES ARE BROKEN
They show thumbnails, but you can't view the original image which is a HUGE ASS PROBLEM considering this website contains many guides in the form of images ( for any reason at all??? this is a frickin wiki after all, why would you need to put your text in an image? :/ ) and the text is unreadable in pretty much all of these cases.

Might want to fix the huge gaping hole in your website...


 * Whats been going on with these problems on the wiki letely? Toadbert
 * We had a few server transfers (yes, we're that good) and it looks like some files didn't make it. I've been yelling at our sysadmins for a day now, lets hope they respond real soon.--Quatroking - Garble Garble! 02:30, 6 September 2010 (CDT)

Removing the square bg on item pictures
I just did it to the bread picture without realizing pretty much all item pictures had this. Is there any reason to keep them or should i go ahead and remove the backgrounds? (imo the bg makes the pictures look odd) Toadbert
 * we cannot. the animated ones mean they have to be one image, or else the crafting grid/output gets out of sync. so, might at well make them all the same for consistency.--Kizzycocoa 03:14, 11 September 2010 (CDT)


 * So I should remove it then?Toadbert
 * uh, no, as the animations will get out of sync if they're split up :S --Kizzycocoa 15:56, 11 September 2010 (CDT)


 * But all the animations are now in one image with the crafting recipe and output. As far as i can tell, none of these pictures with the backgrounds are on any pages with animations.
 * check crafting. more specifically, the door recipe. there are animated images.--Kizzycocoa 16:04, 11 September 2010 (CDT)


 * I know, but none of those use the "separate image for input and output" anymore. None of these single items are needed for any animations anymore or even are animated. Toadbert
 * link?--Kizzycocoa 16:17, 11 September 2010 (CDT)


 * is the only other place the food pictures are used, no animations needed there. There arent any pictures for tool items that i know of, except for flint and steel which is needed for no animations. Theres no animations for weapons. And on and on. I dont see what i should be linking to as these animations arent anywhere i can find.Toadbert
 * wait, what are we even talking about anymore? we've moved from a border removal to apple icons. what's the exact image and problem? x.x--Kizzycocoa 16:40, 11 September 2010 (CDT)
 * actually, I think those are good. like inventory boxes. try to ask quatro or someone to confirm, but I think they're styled that way.....--Kizzycocoa 16:41, 11 September 2010 (CDT)


 * lol ok Toadbert

Items
To further continue my rants on this talk page, we need to get some kind of consistency for the articles pertaining to items. I see that Shovels, axes etc redirected to another page (one with hardly any info on them too). Now, since tools have their own page and each tool redirects to the respective section under it, why does each food item have its own page? Why are bow and arrow condensed to one page while Sword apparantly has no mention anywhere? What im getting at is, we just need to determine whether to have each item as its own article, or condense each to a broad category article and have each item redirect to the category article.Toadbert
 * personally, we just flow with it. if someone has enough trivia or information about something, we allow the article to be created. it's simply the way that's worked best, a community-driven wikia.--Kizzycocoa 03:20, 11 September 2010 (CDT)

Classic/Creative and Full/Alpha?
The Minecraft info on this page only explains Classic - it needs to explain Alpha and also tell readers that they are essentially different games. ConMan8 19:03, 15 September 2010 (CDT)


 * How many articles have you looked at? Ive edited lots of articles to include Alpha info.Toadbert

Thumbnails Missing!
Most of the image thumbnails are missing, making it impossible to read some articles. Any idea why? And when will this be fixed? --Techjar 15:04, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * its probably some server issues again considering the wiki was down for a while about 2 days ago Toadbert

Should block names be capitalized?
Do we craft with Stone, or with stone? I guess the best solution is to capitalize links and leave everything else lowercase, but I wanted to at  least have a guideline about this... Right now it seems to be split  50/50 and it looks kind of bad in some places. Magnanimous 07:55, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I think we should capitalize everything. I know im guilty for that 50/50 stuff, I dont really notice my inconsistencies when Im writing that stuff.Toadbert


 * My personal opinion is that block names should be capitalized when talking about the actual block, whereas not capitalized when talking about a generic sort of object. For an example: "Many players build stairs using combinations of Stairs and other blocks." As an addendum to this, water and lava should only be capitalized when talking about the actual cube of water or lava in question (or when talking about Water Source/Spring blocks). So, "You can use a Boat to travel quickly on water rather than swimming." JC 06:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * That makes sense, since blocks would be proper nouns and the generic objects are common nouns. Deal. Magnanimous 06:42, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that capitalizing the first letter is a good idea. It makes it look more professional. ChrisTheMiner November 24, 2010

Translation
Since the community is wide and the game is getting famous i'd like to include, in this wiki, the translation plugin in order to localize the wiki for new users. I can make Italian translation.

American or European?
This is an issue I've come across several times. When it comes to words like colour armour ambience ect... I do not know whether or not to do the American or European spelling. I know the American spelling is only used in one country but if most of this site's traffic comes from there then it makes sense to use the Americanized spelling. When this is done could an Admin make a note somewhere so it is clear what spelling the site will use so there are no arguments in the future? --Moxxy 01:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * UPDATE:After doing some research I have found that the United States makes up 46.5% of this sites traffic. United Kingdom comes in second with 8.7% It's looking like the Americanized spelling might be the one to go with looking at the massive gap. --Moxxy 01:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you forgetting about all the other countries that use UK spelling? ConMan8 01:41, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The total amount of the next top 10 is less than 40%. The rest of the % accounts for negligible info and errors. I'm not trying to be biased either way. Just trying to sort this out. --Moxxy 20:46, 17 October 2010 (CDT)


 * If its american or not, I dont care really. I say we just pick whatever has more country traffic from. If we cant just use Sweden's or something idk Toadbert


 * I think that European spelling looks a lot better - most words have more letters in them..


 * Wikipedia doesn't care as long as the entire page is either American or European. PurpleKiwi 17:39, 18 October 2010 (CDT)

I vote for english.

And if not that, then I vote for lolspeak. with AT LEAST one cat per-page--Kizzycocoa 12:37, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Favicon
I noticed this site doesn't have that little 16x16px icon that goes in your tab. I made the Minepedia logo the right size and coverted it to ICO format. Whoever knows where to put it, you can get it here. JaffaCakeLover 13:59, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * According to these official W3C site icon instructions since the minepedia wiki already has a  in the head if each page all that's needed it to save it as favicon.ico in the / directory of the website  Jasen1 06:14, 28 October 2010 (CDT)
 * Actually that doesn't make any difference. It will always look for the favicon in the root directory, you only tell it where to find one if you want it somewhere else. It's actually useless being there, it's more just a backup in-case anyone uses en.minecraftwiki.net or the other language variations. --ultradude25 22:20, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Wherever it goes, I don't have the permissions to upload ICO files anywhere, never mind the site root - one of the big-time admins will have to do it. I'll try a PNG first. JaffaCakeLover 17:33, 29 October 2010 (CDT)
 * Ack, I don't know. PNG version on wiki here now. JaffaCakeLover 17:46, 29 October 2010 (CDT)
 * I will not rest so easily JaffaCake! I designed this Favicon a few weeks ago, I wish to contribute my design! I just request a chance for it to be reviewed also for consideration, for this means a great deal to me! I apologise I cannot provide an ICO format though, the PNG is utilising Alpha Transparency though so it should convert across nicely if anyone has conversion software. Arigato Gozaimashita! (/Battlemode off) Edit: Never mind, JaffaCake's looks better, I have lost the war. I place my sword down. I submit. Izzy 22:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that was a quick battle *phew*. Anyway, I still don't know where/how to put the icon so the site uses it, and the PNG one I uploaded here seems to have vanished/been deleted. Still got the remotely-hosted ICO. JaffaCakeLover 13:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I want a favicon! I think something Minecraft-related would look so much better than my browser's default icon.  Anyone else who feels the same, sign here:


 * -Jaeil 12:13, 14 November 2010 (CST)


 * There is no way for you to put the favicon in the root directory without having FTP access. I honestly don't care if the site gets a favicon, as I have a greasemonkey script that allows me to give any site any favicon, even if it doesn't already have one. at 19:51, 14 November 2010 (CST)


 * Ah, the old "I don't care about your problems because they don't affect me" attitude that's promoted love, peace and harmony the world over for thousands of years.... look, if FTP access is required to upload a favicon then surely someone, somewhere, associated with the wiki, or with the host, would have those rights? --DannyF1966 14:34, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

FINAL IMAGE WARNING-PLEASE READ
I will remind you all one last time. at halloween, I will be removing all images that are unused. this may or may not include newly uploaded images. please find homes for any usable images before tomorrow morning, likely 9AM-12AM GMT. thanks for your co-operation.--Kizzycocoa 17:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * this has now been done--Kizzycocoa 20:14, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Error: Nether Zombie Pigmen
They are NOT peaceful!! I can't tell you how many times i was mauled by a hoard of them. --Ryushi 23:59, 30 October 2010 (CDT)
 * They are because of the fact that they appear on Peaceful mode. They will only attack you if you attack them first. The only exception is small slimes, I think. --Scykei 22:33, 31 October 2010 (CDT)


 * They often attack me for no reason. I never do anything to harm them, but i think they may just not like the player getting close.Toadbert
 * Wrong, you must've accidentally hit one at some stage and now they're hostile to you. I've personally spent about half an hour pushing one into a lit up area to take a screenshot of it for the mobs page. --ultradude25 (T 04:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


 * You may think so, but no. I remember, i was tunneling around and hit a little cave with a bunch of pigmen around my first time in nexus or whatever its called now. They were idling around, so i start digging my way to the floor and they suddenly come at me. It seems im the only one who they go for for no reason.Toadbert


 * I've found that they do sometimes attack if I bump into them while holding the sword. That only happened a few times, though, so it might be something else. In any case, I'll go up to one with no tool and it's fine. Maybe there's something else that is setting them off? AlphaCentaurus 18:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Clarification:
You should clarify that you can't make anything out of "Brittle Gold" other than blocks of it. I thought you could make torches out of it.--Ryushi 05:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Game Sounds
Can we/should we be making the game sounds available on the wiki? So for example we link to the zombie sounds on the relevant section of the mobs page. Or are there copyright issues involved? DannyF1966 14:15, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

$wgAllowUserCss
The default skin (Vector) is kind of plain and boring, so I wanted to start working on something better (you know, more minecrafty, with some blocks and stuff). However, I need someone with root access to enable $wgAllowUserCss so that I can see what i'm doing. And while you're at it, $wgAllowUserJs would be nice too. Ose 15:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Client Mods Page Current Version
How does one go about updating the current version for the client mods page? It still says that the current version is 1.2.1_01 while it is actually 1.2.2. Layman's terms in case that I was unclear: So how does one make all the green backs go red for the versions? Arrorn 22:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just make a new template with the version number, copy the style from the previous one then change the previous one to red. I'm sure there is a much better way to do this, but that's the way it is right now.  03:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Arrorn 15:48, 11 November 2010 (CST)

Notch(mob) page?
I recall in the indev/infdev versions there was a Notch mob... I was even killed by him once. Seeing as other past mobs(Rana, Steve, Beast boy) are in the Mobs category, shouldn't the Notch mob also be added? TehButter 04:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC) What did they look like, could you get a picture for us? Golbolco 06:53 AM, 13 November 2010 (EST) They did not exist in any version according to the forums. Golby 10:29 AM, 15 November 2010 (EST)

Downloadable?
I was wondering if there is a way to download the information on this wiki for offline viewing / backups for when the site is down? I know that is possible for Wikipedia, and whated to know if there was a way to do that for Minecraft Wiki. Rafiki2085 12:32PM November 16th 2010 (CST)
 * Ctrl-S :\/--Kizzycocoa 18:44, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Go to Special:Export, enter the titles of the pages you want exported. Or use the API. Minepedia is small enough that those methods should work reasonably well. Doing complete dumps regularly probably wouldn't be worth the resources necessary to do so. LordAndrew 17:55, 16 November 2010 (CST)

Mystery Rock
I recently came across this rock, and cannot tell what it is. it is not an ore, I cannot mine it and it cannot be the edge of the world because it would be even right? Any suggestions?

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1766/43387225.png


 * Bedrock :| at 16:03, 17 November 2010 (CST)

Rofl... awesome. --Ryushi 19:23, 23 November 2010 (CST)

What hosts this site?
My friends have started asking me to move our current wiki on Wikia somewhere else because of the new skin, and I was wondering what this site was hosted on and if it costed to do so. Does anyone know? I've declared Wikispaces a last resort as I prefer this skin to others... --Kris159 14:46, 18 November 2010 (CST)
 * This site runs on mediawiki. --DannyF1966 14:52, 18 November 2010 (CST)
 * If you're looking for preconfigured and pre-hosted wiki software to be used for free like Wikia, I'd suggest http://www.wikkii.com, as it is like wikia but without the crap ads and has the same default mediawiki skin in use by Minepedia. 17:32, 18 November 2010 (CST)

A Small Mistake
Or might it be big? I dunno. We, or at least I, thought that Survival Test has its own place in the Development Cycle. The truth is, it doesn't. It's only Classic -> Indev -> Infdev -> Alpha. Survival Test is under Classic. I found out about this when I was going through the Version History. So that means that Classic has two game modes, Creative and Survival, although that survival is known as Survival Test.

The Survival Test page should remain but a part of it must be moved to Classic and a lot of articles will have to be corrected because it is under classic. What do you guys think? D: --Scykei 03:42, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm still pretty slow with this stuff since I only play alpha, but may this have been brought up at ?? 00:52, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No that's another discussion entirely :D --Scykei 01:26, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ugh... Well, as a punishment for my laziness I went through and read up to understand what you meant. I guess you could do what you've suggested, personally I have nothing against just specifying that while it's officially "classic" we list it as its own because of its different attributes, but I guess what you've suggested is what should be done. What pages will need heavy modification? 20:02, 20 November 2010 (CST)
 * I dunno. Most pages that mention Survival Test might need a slightly different wording change. Namely http://www.minecraftwiki.net/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Survival_Test. I'll try doing it now :D --Scykei 20:30, 20 November 2010 (CST)

The spare page for the mod page goes to a "Confirmed attack site."
don't tell me it doesn't, because i'm not playing around with settings just to be fooled with.--Ryushi 19:23, 23 November 2010 (CST)

THIS has been confirmed if you have AVG and/or AVG toolbar installed. IT will block the site automatically. PLEASE REMOVE THAT LINK! After farther investigation I've come to the conclusion that this website must have been hacked. --denthanus.dot 23:10 (Nov. 23, 2010)
 * What are you guys even talking about? Links? 06:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If you go to this page while logged out, it appears to have been hacked. See its talk page for more info. -- Toshu (talk) 00:35, 24 November 2010 (CST)
 * I just checked it with 2 different browsers. It seems fixed now. --JonTheMon 07:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Forced preview on save
Is there any way to disable the forced preview before saving a page? As an experienced admin on Wikipedia, I've edited templates that affected thousands of pages without needing preview—being forced to use it here when fixing a typo makes editing feel sluggish. &#123;&#123;Nihiltres&#124;talk&#124;edits&#125;&#125; 17:22, 26 November 2010 (CST)
 * By the looks of it, the only people who can bypass it are those given sysop privileges (1). I have made a point of bringing the same sentiments to Kizzycocoa, and later to Quatroking (as he is apparently the one in control of the wiki). Unfortunately, Quatroking has so far ignored my request for discussion, let alone any actual action. According to Kizzy, the best we can do at the moment is pester Quatro en masse- something I urge all users reading this to do if they agree with my comments on his talk page. 07:09, 27 November 2010 (UTC)