Talk:Xbox 360 Edition/Archive 2

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Current status
The game was released on May 9th, 2012 and costs 1600 MS points.

Keep the talkpage tidy, people, I'd rather not wipe it again. Don't forget to cite your sources!--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  09:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Also, sign your comments (with ~ ). I don't want to have to keep cleaning up after you guys and signing them for you. - Asterick6 (talk) 06:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Also, format your post properly. (There is NO need for all the spaces.)I DO NOT like having to go through and re-format talk pages. --Ichi (Talk) 05:01, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

DO NOT post what you think should or should not be in the game next update. It takes up space on the server and is USELESS and will be REMOVED. Updates and what the updates will hold is up to 4J untill the Xbox edition is on par with the PC. --Ichi (Talk) 14:55, 1 August 2012 (UTC) Viperjacob1337--Well you pc users have minecraft and think its better then xbox cause xbox doesnt have creative mode but guess what I was just on my xbox hopped on some Minecraft and BAM we had an update so now we are PC equvilent but have maybe a few things differant but it doesnt matter I still love it and now that it is basicly PC equal you guys should really try it POSTED:OCTOBER 16,2012---

New Information
PAX was today and Mojang released some footage of the Xbox 360 Edition being played, showed the leaderboards, achievements and crafting tables. He disproved a lot of information that is already on the page, needs to have a lot added to it and a lot removed from it.


 * Add achievements for 360 version.
 * No modding will be possible although the page says it will be.
 * You can join friends worlds and save them to play later by yourself.

That is just some of the things I noticed were different than the page and PAX information. 99.194.166.124 –The preceding undated comment was added on 02:00, 7 April 2012 (UTC). Please sign your posts with

Vandalized!
Some spammer changed the cover art into a trollface! Fix this please or Mojang is not happy!

Also I'm pleased the vandalized was blocked! Here's his contbutions: MIncraftOffical's spam contributions

This should be reverted ASAP! (Also he looks like he's sockpuppeting because of the I.) 99.130.169.136 10:37, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Unnecessary Linking
For what cases should Xbox 360 not be linked to an external link? -- HMarrowIV {Talk} 03:09, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't really know why the link was removed. I'll re-add it for you.--Moxxy 03:33, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


 * There's really no need to externally link Xbox 360 anyways. - Asterick6 (talk) 06:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Can someone link to the Tutorial world page?
Since this is locked, I can't add it. I edited the page to include a better description of what it includes, and since this is a unique world that everyone gets with the game, it should be listed and linked under game features. www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Xbox_360_Tutorial_Mode 71.169.0.52 02:58, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Pistons when
I have been waiting so long I have so many things I can do with them when are they coming -R3DN3CK SANTA
 * Sometime in July. Please use the proper format for posting. --Ichi (Talk) 04:56, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Earlier this morning. johnreinker 7:04 AM 7/13/2012

Next update?
Any Ideas on whats its going to include?
 * Read Xbox_360_Edition_upcoming_features --80.134.10.30 07:15, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

the update
it says *July 2012 but is the update out or is testing please tell my
 * The next update will be around August 15 or September 15, so in 1 0r 2 months there will be another update and it will possibly be the 1.8 up which will have creative mode and flying. :)
 * On twitter they said today sat sept 1st 2012, but sadly nothing has come out yet, i wish they would stop pushing the release for creative mode back and back, every one that i know that plays this game is loosing interest due to the fact of this happening. so please, just release this.

~Chris~
 * There is no need for all the spaces Chris. --Ichi (Talk) 03:32, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Skin packs
I am not sure, but in twitter messages  between myself and @Tart I think the skin packs are being sold in sets of 5 for 160 MSP. There will be a total of 40 skins available in the first batch of dlc.

Kris Selden @selden007

Nope, they already said one pack of 40 skins will be available for 160MS. There just happens to be five skins in each sample picture. 5 skins for 2 dollars (160MS) would be a major ripoff!

They should really add some final fantasy skins,really cool if they did :D! there r going to be coming out with 15 new skin packs for only 160 ms


 * Edit - 4JStudios tweeted the second Skin Pack Release Date might be released by Microsoft later today. The current price stays at 160 MSP, and will include, yet again, of 45+ skins.

Versions
This page refers to versions as their PC equivalents. Don't you think it should be changed to the name of the Xbox version?74.102.3.209 19:26, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

co-op
a lot of people are not happy about this hd mode just make it you dont need a HDMI cable no one cares if its a bit blurry

^^ PLEASE make it so it dont need a hdmi cable. i am unhappy about it :(

4J Studios probably don't read this page. This is an encyclopedic entry for a videogame, not a developer webpage. Regardless, it probably won't change. Using a letterbox splitscreen is painful enough with a huge tv for this game. Using standard definition would probably give you an astigmatism looking at the tiny interface. 70.193.65.199 23:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

1.8 Update
I'm really anxious about not knowing when the 1.8 update I honestly cant wait for it to come out and I'm pretty sure a'lot of people cant wait either. Any ideas when the 1.8 update will be?

Nobody knows, but considering that 1.8 has much more changes than 1.7, and 1.7 took around 2 months, I'm guessing it will come out in 3-4 months. endermen will be added hungerbar will be added brewing stands and enchantment tables will be added all music discs will be added jungles MIGHT be added baby animals MIGHT be added spawner eggs MIGHT be added. Flying will also be addded on this update!

The 1.8, or the Adventure update, will come out sometime during September. 184.1.103.140 05:31, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

maps
when will maps be comeing in the game?--76.167.59.79 23:03, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * They've been here as long as i can remember...174.126.178.94 22:44, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * When you start a new world or join a world you have never been in it gives you a map. If you mean the little mini map you see in PC Let's Plays then you will have to wait some time as they are from a mod (plug-in). --Ichi (Talk) 22:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Ghost Command04 on Xbox LIVE here. I think they are adding on Creative mode and I can ALMOST comfirm the "baby animal" system will be added to this game so I just love machines like automatic sugarcane farms and doorbells so send me a message if you want to teach me one! N.I.C Leader out. P.S- Someone PLEASE tell me how to create your own map seed.

Pumpkin seeds
Should be able to grow pumpkins from seeds collect from pumpkins already found
 * This will be added in future updates. RESEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND!!! --Ichi (Talk) 13:53, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Herobrine
Will there ever be a herobrine in the Xbox?? I'd love to have it!! Thanks! 71.7.106.155 18:35, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This is the last straw for me on this herobrine bs. He NEVER existed and NEVER will. Next time i see one of these post it will be removed. They do NOTHING other than take up room on the wiki server! --Ichi (Talk) 20:02, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Takes up space on the wiki server? Do you have any comprehension of how many thousands of ways that statement matches up with descriptive terms such as "ridiculous", "just plain wrong" and "oh god what is he talking about"?

Furthermore, Herobrine is an accepted piece of ingame lore, one that is in fact encouraged by Mojang, Notch and 4J Studios. The autosave screens directly mention Herobrine several times. There is also a Herobrine skin included in the first skin pack for the 360 edition, not to mention the update posted on THE OFFICIAL MOJANG WEBSITE on July 13, 2012 lists, under "fixes", the following update - "- Removed Herobrine." http://www.mojang.com/2012/07/minecraft-xbox-360-edition-update-is-out/

So no, questions about a subject that Mojang encourage their users to discuss are not a waste of space. Hennifer Lopeth 15:45, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I personally AGREE with Ichi on this ... well... BS!174.126.178.94 11:06, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * He does exist u just don't want to admit it
 * One more post about Herobrine and I purge this page. If you want to waste time and space on the server then go to the Herobrine talk page and not here! --Ichi (Talk) 08:35, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad to see you're willing to destroy an entire page over a hapless lurker's curiosity. Looking over your post history, I have to ask; do you have any clue how little space ~70 characters takes up on a hard disc? The argument you started over the matter has taken up considerably more than that. So for one so enraged over 'space constraints,' I really hope you're not the one responsible for footing the hosting bills. 70.193.65.199 23:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm supposed to be scared of you PURGING a page, Ichi? Well I'll defend, and answer, this askers question. I have seen, and no people who've seen Herobrine on the Xbox. I was out chopping down trees, and I look down, it was foggy, and there was a Steve staring at me. I knew EXACTLY what it was, and I wrote the seed down and never played it again. (I shall not give it out, as I don't wish others to be haunted) One of my friends have seen, and has been attacked, multiple times, by Herobrine. And I was playing online with some friends, we were going to our mine, it was a little far away because we came across a cave, and we heard an explosion, we ran back and found our house half destroyed, and our items gone. It was only four of us, it was invite only, and we were all in the mine. I know I don't have solid evidence but I would not make this up. And furthermore. HE APPEARS IN PROMOTIONAL STUFF BY MOJANG!!!

Well People do want Herobrine,so it will take more time but what if you made him like a normal mob.We can have a vote.

Conflicts on this wiki are resolved by administrative mandate, not votes. Holloway 19:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Map is not 1024 by 1024
I don't know who reverted my edit but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to load up a new game with map and see that it goes -431 to +431 on each axis.


 * But it takes someone who owns the game. 862 is a very strange number, so it seemed doubtful without a source. –ultradude25 (T&#124;C) at 08:00, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Mine seems to go from -432 to 432 72.177.47.230 02:35, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

can you get minecraft xbox 360 edition on a disc?
If you know please tell me –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.199.70.196 (Talk) 21:31, 31 July 2012 (UTC). Please sign your posts with
 * No, it's only available through the Marketplace. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:26, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a way but you must download the game onto your 360 then put it on a flash drive. But unless you are rather good at coding and have a jailbroke 360 it's not really all that pratical. --Ichi (Talk) 17:26, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

yes you can. i saw it this summer over at gamestop. for a price of about 30$

The version at gamestop which you are referring to is not a disc. It is a game case with a minecraft picture to promote and offer the game via code on a receipt in which you bought the game. 69.247.7.19 00:16, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Custom skins
i was woundering if anyone knew if custom skins will be added because the skins already out there are getting old already i would realy love it if we could if u know a way i can get my own skins please tell me
 * Mojang and 4j Studios said that they wanted and were working on custom skins for Xbox 360, but the only problem is that people can make skins of people from video games and cause copyright infringement, e.g., someone makes a skin of Ghost from MW2, Activision or IW could sue Mojang and/or 4j Studios for copyright infringement. -Random guy who can't sign his posts because he doesn't have a profile and doesn't have the key to sign posts with on his laptop.
 * There isn't a "key" to sign post. You just type --~ or use the button near the middle in the editing window (at the top of the window). --Ichi (Talk) 17:24, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

"There isn't a 'key' to sign post." *Immediately uses tilda key to sign his post* :psyduck: His laptop obviously doesn't have a tilda key. 70.193.65.199 23:22, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Minecraft mods
As we all know Minecraft PC had a ton of mods but; from what I am hearing the xbox version can't contain mods I'm woundering; if anyone tell me if we will get mods in the future or if we will have 2 pay for them plz help.
 * If you have a J-Tag Xbox you can already use "mods" (aka plug-ins) on the 360 edition of the game. So it is possable to have plug-ins. However; something like bringing plug-ins to the 360 edition will have to be left up to the plug-in devs. Hopfully they can make it so you don't need to have a J-Tagged Xbox. I for one would love to have the Tekkit mod/plug-in pack. --Ichi (Talk) 22:18, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Skins
Hello I Would like it if you could try to make it so you can customize your own skins please.
 * Please post this on 4J Studios web-site. --Ichi (Talk) 21:09, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Will Updates Be Like On The PC/Computer Version
I have noticed that the last update was pretty much like the second update for the PC/Computer. Will it be like that?
 * In short yes. There may be more Xbox only updates here and there like the first update the 360 edition got. But for the most part it should be just like the PC edition of the game untill the 360 and PC editions are on par. At which point we may start to see more separation between the two editions. --Ichi (Talk) 16:51, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

creative mode on xbox
i was wondering when creative mode comes out on xbox will we be able to use it on the seeds we already have ?
 * This is yet to be seen as the PC and Xbox 360 editions of the game are coded differently. In the PC edition when a major update like 1.7.3 or 1.8.0 came out you had to make a new map or convert your old maps. However from what I have seen thus far from the updates; it seems that the maps are converted for you during the update. But do to the way that creative works on the PC it may be impossible to use your premade map wit creative. However as i said it is yet to be seen how it will work. I hope this helps you in some way. --Ichi (Talk) 16:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Next update174.126.178.94 11:09, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

One quesion will we have to use Microsoft points to get 1.8.2 update or is it free to public?


 * Assuming you already paid for the game, the update will be free. Microsoft cannot charge you for the same item twice (legally, anyway). Secondary content such as themes and skinpacks will likely be the only additional content you have to pay for. Holloway 19:45, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Texture packs/Mods
I was wondering if the xbox 360 edition would allow people to change their Texture Packs anytime soon? I'm getting bored of the default one. 174.126.179.127 00:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey will mods be in xbox 360 minecraft? If so I think DLC is a good way to get some.
 * I have lumped these two together so that I may answer them both at the same time... This is yet to be seen as "mods" (also know as plug-ins) and texture packs modifiy the games core programing (in some cases at least). On the Xbox 360 Edition of the game changing/modifing the games code in ANY WAY is a breach of the terms of service agreement (You know that thing that you just click through when you get a new 360... Yeah that thing.). Thus making it so the people that make/code the plug-ins can't re-write the coding of the game to make these plug-ins work for the 360. However this may be changed just for Minecraft (and ONLY for Minecraft). But as I have said it is yet to be seen what the future of "modding" on the 360 will hold. I hope this has helped you atleast a little bit. --Ichi (Talk) 03:01, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm tired of the default texture pack myself too. I would like a more of a variety of texture packs in Minecraft like in the pc version. -Swiffles
 * I just had the idea of a Minecraft Xbox 360 edition create-your-own-texture pack from the DLC. By using this, you could bypass the code circuit that keeps you from making texture packs. I also have the idea of making existing textures available through the DLC, and only a minor rewrite through an update would be re quired to make these usable...174.126.178.94 22:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I was reading on the next update for Xbox 360 Minecraft, and I found the "Anvil" was coming out allowing both mods and texture packs! Absolute HOORAH!174.126.178.94 18:21, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Hunger bar
The hunger bar is said to have been put into the new creative mode in 1.8 i am not sure if mojang will add it! and uvcan have allimited stuff i think will be great because it makes survival more realistic so therefore it is better
 * I believe your right, although I want it for a different reason. I'm tired of food taking up most of my inventory! 174.126.178.94 04:01, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Not to mention, as there is no hunger bar yet, you don't have to actually do anything besides build a house, make some torches, and hole up and bee a hermit. ~Signed by a person who has no account - yes plus the fact that you basically only have one goal and that IS to build a house and that's that no more fun but with the added ability to starve it will make the game much more complex and Fun

villagers and villages xbox 360 version
I think that there should be villages added soon. Also, villagers that actually do stuff, like if the villager is a farmer then you should be able to put cows in a pen and he will farm them. Then talk to the farmer and tell him how many cows should be in the pen, type in the maximum number of cows and then he will breed them. Any cows after that maximum number will be slaughtered, so if you say you want 10 maximum in the pen and the cows have another calf,  the calf will be slaughtered. Also, farm animals should stay in a pen. That would be so nice if you could make that happen. Thank you.

Who is "you?" This is a wikipedia article, not a game developer webpage. Also, that would be a whole lot of coding for a task that can be done easier with redstone. 70.193.65.199 23:47, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Spawn point
So I was playing my Xbox edition of minecraft when I exit and sav the game. Then a minute later I loaded the same world and it brought me back to the spawn and I did not die. I am wondering why this keeps happening to me?

I actually found out that it was a bug but hopefully it doesn't keep screwing me up

Updates
When will the next update or creative mode be released, because I have been hearing rumors that it will be released sometime early September.
 * I believe you're right. 174.126.178.94 17:19, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

will we have to start new maps for the 1.8 They say in Semptember 15 ~craZman817~ they said it was in aug then sep15-30 then Oct. when will the net one bee next five years update already 02:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC)67.197.88.69 02:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

1.8.2 Update
The Minecraft: Xbox 360 Edition will be released Mid-Late September/Early October, due to the fact is is not in Cert Testing with Microsoft yet. I predict something like the 23rd of September - 4th of October.

~Ciarán~

Crafting
Users should be able to switch from the simplified crafting system the standard crafting system on the PC version. I personally like the standard crafting system better and feel you should be able to switch crafting systems in the options menu. Just a suggestion. 72.200.127.38 19:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC)Ely

I agree, Auto-crafting takes a certain skill out of the game. The Auto-crafting is fine for new players, but once you know the recipes, you may want more of a challenge. 184.1.103.140 01:06, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Whens The Update?
Iv Been Waiting For The Xbox 360 Update Since The 15th And Im Beggining To Wonder When The Update Actually Is

Regards... Nick

Lol, I've been waiting for at least 4 months, it sucks! 184.1.103.140 02:20, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

It's already October 12... Still no update. I heard it was going through certification though and that it should be out soon. I still check every day. Does anyone know if its going to cost anything? Or how much it'll be? 69.247.7.19 23:04, 12 October 2012 (UTC)Tish713


 * Assuming you bought the game already, the update would be free. Microsoft does not charge for updates, only for secondary downloaded content. Holloway 19:51, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

things that would be cool to have in the game.
if you could put elivators that rilly work and more mushings


 * 1. Unlikely 2. What is a mushing? yoshidude56 16:01, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

sex...................use redstone to make elevator and i think minecraft is gay now because everytime i save and leave a game it spawns me at the spawn with just a map!!! fix this PLZZ

Was that in a language of some sort? First off, I doubt a poorly coded videogame has a sexual preference and why you immediately assume it to be homosexual. Second, you can make redstone elevators already. Third, are you saving and loading from the same device? Holloway 19:30, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Seeds for worlds
If anyone got Seeds of their world and found lots of stuff and wants to share it here please do


 * Use a forum for that, not a wiki article. Holloway 19:52, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

should they add element creepers i think so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPK0c7MzW7g&feature=g-vrec watch this this should be added to xbox and pc but xbox first this iss really cool well look and seems

1st no chance 2nd not the place to say this2.221.9.250 23:53, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Minecraft has added foreign content before, but this was because it was /brought to their attention./ Try twitter or Reddit. But honestly, I highly doubt this would ever be added. Then again, someone at Mojang decided Mooshrooms were a good idea so it's not a lost hope... Holloway 19:41, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Multiplayer Problem!!!!
okay so i cannot get my guest to sign in at all. online offline no difference. it will not let me. am i doing something wrong? also if this is in the wrong spot sorry, im new to this

If you are trying to play on the same box then you need to use a hdmi cable to split-screen. 69.247.7.19 23:07, 12 October 2012 (UTC)Tish713

NEW WORLD CREATE
WHEN THE UPDATE COMES AND HAVE TO MAKE A NEW WORLD IS THERE A SEED TO START WITH SAME WORLD YOU HAD OR SIMILAR AS MINE HAD OVER 7 MONSTER SPAWNS JUST BELOW SURFACE AND ONE CAVE THAT HAD 75 DIAMONDS ?

1st wrong place to post 2nd there isn't any way to remake a world 3rd you don't have to make a new world its just to get the new world generation you need to but other then that you can still get every thing else 4th turn off caps 5th sign your post2.221.9.250 23:52, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

If you want the same world when the update comes, then just type in your seed code and it'll be the same as when u first entered that world, just at a different spawn and without your specific modifications, but the same block types and world set-up. But the new update offers new blocks and items, so starting a completely new seed will probably be best anyway. 69.247.7.19 23:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

1.8.2 Structures addition.
I am just wandering and cant find it anywhere online, and havn't gotten a response from 4j on twitter. but how exactly are the new structes getting added into the game? do i have to start a new world? -- MrGudgeon

Yes, none of the new features are supposed to apply to your already made worlds. It states on the wiki that it'll only apply to the new worlds and when you play your previously made worlds that it'll act as if you are on the older version 69.247.7.19 00:01, 13 October 2012 (UTC) Tish713

mineshafts?
i sometimes look at the pictures made by 4j for the xbox and theres an abandened mineshaft there and they havent been added yet. look at the gallery after the leaderboards section on the browse menu before you play the game they were made before the news about the 1.8.2 update. i know its very unlikely but what if there already ingame and are the hardest thing to find. 92.18.225.108 09:39, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

They're not. The image you're describing, 7|14, isn't an abandoned mineshaft. It's just where someone has built a brace into a tunnel (and is stupidly rushing a creeper with a pickaxe, but I digress...). However, you can expect the real deal very soon. =] Holloway 19:07, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

vilagers
the update came out and i got excited but then found out there was no npcs, does anyone know when they will add them?


 * To be blunt, no; a better place to ask would be 4j studio's Twitter or Mojang's staff Twitter (Kappische, I believe?). However, NPC villages are in the game now. Are you sure they don't have villagers? Haven't checked myself. Holloway 19:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Map mechanics as of new update
Just a note, the map is still limited to a square area with clear borders. However, you CAN continue playing your old maps. If you elect to load it in Creative Mode, achievements and leaderboard updates will be PERMANENTLY DISABLED for that map, even if you reload it in Survival (they can be toggled on loading). That being said, if you have an older map that was not fully explored, exploring it will generate updated content (biome colors, mineshafts etc). This can cause pretty severe chunk errors, though. I can take a photo later, if requested. (I am unsure if any of this is article-worthy, but am listing it here just in case). Holloway 19:16, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh for @#$!'s sake
The mobile version of wiki isn't letting me italicize "Minecraft" in the sentence 'As with all updates....' Could someone get that? Holloway 19:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

New Minecraft Xbox 360 1.2 Update (1.8.2 Beta)
Just a reminder there is a new update to include features from the 1.8.2 Beta version from the PC. Make any fixes to keep the page updated. Thanks!-- HMarrowIV {Talk} 22:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Xbox freezing bug
Hi, I was wondering if anyone else was having a bug when they loaded up their already saved world it freezes. I built this map in creative,peaceful and when I go to play it on survival,hard or now on any setting it plays good for a couple seconds and then my whole xbox freezes. I've tried deleting maps, re-downloading minecraft, waiting for my xbox to unfreeze, cooling down my xbox, and just turning it off for awhile and none of these things have worked. I'm getting desperate now because me and my friends spent a long time making this minecraft hunger games map and now we can't have anyone play it! Please respond cause I'm out of ideas.

From, Haranara 01:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)