Talk:Apple/Archive 1

"Notch drops red apples when he dies in SMP." there's a citation missing, where is the proof for this statement? --Gachl 14:59, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It was taken directly from the source code. Maybe someone needs to go take a screenshot of that portion of it. – ultradude25 ( T at 22:08, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Here is a snippet of code that proves it: Pastebin, pay attention to lines 7 to 10. If this is a violation of the rules, feel free to remove the link. Since it isn't likely that we would link to actual code in the actual article, nor a screenshot of it (basically the same thing!), I say we should simply cite the source code. I have done so. Feel free to review my change and remove it if it makes little sense.TJF 09:29, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually in 1.7.3 does not drop apple. EntityHuman.die(Entity) is not executed for EntityPlayer, since there is not super.die(entity) call. Ishinay 01:24, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I tried killing Notch in SMP. Didn't drop an apple....

Unnecessary Plugin Mention
Is it really helpful to mention how some mods affect how red apples are acquired? It seems like unnecessary junk text. Izzalion 05:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Third-party content shouldn't be on main material pages. Thanks for the catch! --Gnu32 13:27, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Red Apple, Move it to removed/unobtainable?
Upon viewing the Minecraft source code I found that there are no apples found in dungeons. Perhaps this may should be moved to removed section? However, this might confuse some people because leafdropper (and perhaps other [server] plugins/mods) drop apples from leaves occasionally.

(I think apples dropping from leaves is a good idea. Chappens 03:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC) )

Really... I remember finding a red apple once, but i could be wrong. I don't think it would count as either of those. It's in the game, and it seems to be only obtainable from notch dying. I suggest marking it as unobtainable in SSP only. --Zkyo 16:56, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps he removed red apples from dungeons? I haven't ever seen one and I've been playing since Nov. 1st -- bobtheblueberry 17:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

It's possible, but i kind of doubt it. Are you sure there wasn't anything extra in the source where the golden apples are selected? Maybe it's more like if a red apple is selected, there's a 1/1000 chance it is a golden apple instead. --Zkyo 17:25, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I've looked, it's just not there.. quite intriguing. Here is the dungeon generator on pastebin if you wanna check it out yourself: http://pastebin.com/KXkcGNSa -- bobtheblueberry 17:55, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

While that dungeon generation code was probably correct at some point, I don't currently see cocoa beans in there, so I'd be a bit skeptical about it. Theothersteve7 04:48, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I came across this myself while looking at the dungeon generation code the other day. I agree, upon grepping through the code, the only way to obtain red apples currently is through the Notch easter egg. I've updated the intro text accordingly. Technically they are still available in-game (only through playing SMP with Notch) so I'm ambivalent as to whether to move it to removed items. As for the cocoa beans, they are listed in the current code as the 11th possibility (i == 10) as (dyePowder, 1, 3). (Sorry, I'm not at the machine that has the source, so just typing that from memory.)Ben

I strongly agree this should be moved to unobtainable because it is unobtainable to get. YoshiRider9000 04:12, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It's only unobtainable in singleplayer, and that may very well be a bug. – ultradude25 ( T at 04:30, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Well killing notch isn't normal and if it is a bug and notch accidentally removed it then are you saying the removed locked chests may be a bug too?
 * sorry forgot to sign it YoshiRider9000 04:35, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * No, but it's still not unobtainable, just very very rare. Locked chests were removed on purpose, what has that got to do with this? He could've quite easily overwritten the code when updating by accident, and not realised he did. Best thing to do is simply spam his twitter about it and see what he says. – ultradude25 ( T at 04:51, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Red Apples are obtainable
I remember getting them from breaking leaves, but that might have been a plugin. not sure. RXDimA 10:03, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Certainly a mod, that's not standard for minecraft. Darkid 11:59, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I found red apples in SSP on Beta 1.7.3. They appeared from breaking leaves. I didnt have mods. Kirbo 2:23, 9 July 2011 (EST)

Leaves drop red apples rarely. This is confirmed. I am not running any mods and I have two so far, from leaves decaying. Kaedenn 4:02 9 July 2011 (PST)


 * Assuming you guys are telling the truth about finding apples (because there are lots of bukkit plugins/mods that let you get apples from leaves), has this only started in 1.7.3? Is this a secret update? Maybe someone familiar with java can look at the jar or something? Jtlcr777 23:52, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Leaves drop a red apple VERY RARELY it is about a 2 out of 100 chance therefore the article should be changed Editoroftheweek

I just collected 10 stacks of leaves (640) using shears in the 1.7.3 update, and according to the above speculations, I would have found more or less 12 apples. If anything, I should have at least found one apple from it unless I'm an extremely unlucky person. Are you sure you guys were playing vanilla Minecraft? 1484Kenji 23:10, 13 July 2011 (CEST)

LeafDropper/AppleDrops/zombe's "item" mod. /thread. I say. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 21:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * He possibly means by breaking leaf blocks, not by harvesting them with your shears. Try that. --HexZyle 10:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * In my run for saplings i acquired more than 5 stacks of them by breaking leaves. No apples.MiiNiPaa 10:10, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I tried this on this(sc12.servercraft.co:2385) multiplayer server and it worked --A Big Mojang Lover 22:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The key word here is MULTIPLAYER. Multiplayer is enhanced with all sorts of plugins and whatnot. You cannot ensure that the server is completely vanilla, especially if its a bukkit server. This must be tested on SSP with NO MODS. Jtlcr777 23:09, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Every time I die I seem to get a Red Apple when I collect my stuff, and I don't have any mods. I did some more testing, and I still got red apples with nothing in my inventory. Phycoz
 * Assuming your statement is completely true, you are either notch, or you are on a multiplayer server with plugins. I'm almost definite its the latter, and also i have never witnessed this happening to me or anyone I have seen, and I'm pretty sure everyone here will agree. Since everyone has a different story on how to obtain apples, its fairly obvious they are unobtainable since no-one can even agree on how to get them. --HexZyle 19:22, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Naming
Why is this named "Red apples"????? Ingame it is clearly described as simply "Apple" and since there aren't other coloured apples i dont see why we dont rename this page to "Apple" Taurentius 22:27, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No other colours? What about Golden Apples? --HexZyle 06:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Golden apples are named so because of the metal, not the color. Red apples are only red in the default texture, no where are they actually referred to as being called "red". --Wizjany 06:43, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Despite where the name comes from, they are both still named that for their colour, to prevent confusion. (just like Melon Seeds and wheat seeds. Wheat Seeds aren't called wheat seeds ingame, just plain Seeds) --HexZyle 06:54, 2 October 2011 (UTC)