Talk:Enchanting/Archive 1

Unbreaking levels
Does anyone know what are the chances that an item with the unbreaking enchantment will use up a use or not? Does the highest level make the tool unbreakable?

- I tested a wooden pick and got 60 uses (standard). I then tested an Unbreaking III wooden pick and got 260 uses. (4.33 times as many)

- I tested a golden pick and got 33 uses (standard). I then tested an Unbreaking III golden pick and got 97 uses. (2.9 times as many)

Fortune Enchantment Numbers
Some quick 5 minute numbers, using diamond pickaxes with fortune level 1-6, I mined 10 diamond blocks with each pickaxe, here are the results

EDIT : I (Zonta) Tested the same thing but with Fortune 1-10, Imined also 10 Diamond Ore with each pickaxe

Screenshot of the chest --Zonta 14:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll do some more experimenting tomorrow with different quality pickaxes and different ores and a much bigger sample size but one thing is obvious, there's a random chance you'll get >1 ore and the amount of ores you get is dependant on the level. Niall 02:25, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Couldn't resist, I ran a quick test on iron and coal ore, fortune didn't have any affect on iron ore(bug? since it gives ore instead of coal/diamonds directly) and the numbers for coal were almost identical to the numbers for diamond, I imagine it will be heavily nerfed in the final release. Niall 02:35, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem with using Fortune on a ore that drops blocks (Iron, Gold) is that you could place it back down and mine it again to try to multiply the amount of ores you have.198.30.247.92 19:50, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

The numbers I added to the fortune enchantment level are based upon a sample of 1024 blocks of coal mined each. Everything was within ~0,2% of the values I posted, so I guess they are correct (Azzu 15:14, 14 October 2011 (UTC))

To "fix" the iron/gold problems, there should be a way to determine if a block was player-placed or generated, or make iron/gold drop lumps instead... Quite sad it doesn't work on iron :( Also, I hope it does not get nerfed - it and other new 1.9 content is underpowered enough already. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 20:17, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

What about clay? Does clayballs multiply as well? 116.49.172.139
 * Nope, tested it just now (was hoping for infinite Clay). Well, made 4 runs (all with diamond-Shovel with Effi 4). First was normal shovel, than with Silktouch (who knows), Fortune 2 and Fortune 3. With Silktouch i got 100 blocks (thats what i placed). With Fortune 2 and 3 i got 400 Clayballs -> 100 Blocks. With normal Shovel 400 balls too. Casurin 21:15, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Effects?
I'm not sure that any of the enchantments actually do anything yet, and I also think that the names just use random words. what do you think? Quarg 20:27, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I believe the words are not tool specific either. Any spell that would affect a hoe, for example, can be found for swords as well, which may otherwise support the Random Names hypothesis. Alorty 21:53, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I would like to point out that I attempted to enchant a diamond sword earlier, and whatever I did nerfed the weapon dramatically. Ederek Cole 00:29, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah same for me, I enchanted a diamond sword and then it couldn't one-shot a pig, which given a pig has 5 hearts of health and a diamond sword normal attack deals 5, it should. So some sort of effects are in, they just need to be found. -TheWyo 01:31, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Pigs have more health in 1.9. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 20:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Pigs have 10 health in 1.9. Diamond swords do only 3.5 hearts damage. Talk:Weapons --HexZyle 02:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * what does this have to do with enchanting? 203.104.11.2 00:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Ederek said that enchanting a diamond sword nerfed it, which is wrong, he had the original values wrong in the first place. TheWyo said that he couldn't one-shot a pig with an enchanted diamond sword, which is also wrong because pigs have 5 health and diamond swords deal 3.5 damage, not 5. Calinou said that pigs have increased health, which is wrong. Pigs are one of the few mobs that haven't had their health changed in 1.9 pre-release 3. Then I posted a link that contained all the correct values, to prevent further confusion. The first post by Ederek was about enchanting, and the posts afterwards failed to explain the reason correctly. --HexZyle 04:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Data
I had a look at the internal data of enchantments using NBTEdit and it appears that enchantments simply have and ID and a level, anyone experimenting with enchantments ought to use this in my oppinion. Quarg 20:46, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Not only that, but there doesn't seem to be any correlation between the contents of these fields and the enchantment chosen in the enchanting window. Editing these values in an editor doesn't have any apparent in-game changes. I propose that the enchantment system in 1.9pre3 is simply a placeholder and that the various levels of enchantment are simply there for debugging purposes.
 * In addition I was able to generate a ton of random strings and level costs simply by picking up the exact same tool and putting it into the enchantment slot over and over again. Combined with the fact that each enchantment serializes to the same data tells me that generating a list of these various combinations is likely pointless. I'll update the article and mention that. RestfulMonad 03:58, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that the kind of enchantments are based on the level requirement, every level requirement has 1 enchantment, but the names may vary every time. IJoshFTW 05:22, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's definitely not true; I tested many combinations of level 20 enchantments on diamond pickaxes and got a variety of effects. &#123;&#123;Nihiltres&#124;talk&#124;edits&#125;&#125; 21:32, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Bookshelves
Apparently surrounding the enchanting table with bookshelves decodes them for you?

False. Do not spread "Urban Legends of Zelda" (Google it).

Some sort of passworded sentence?
Hey, Ive been enchanting things with the enchanter and it doesnt increase the durability of shovels. Does anyone else suspect you need 3 specific words in a row as the enchantment to get a specific bonus on the item? Just a thought. --68.104.151.228 06:28, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Decoding the Font?
Alright, I know it says to replace the alternate.png with default.png, but how do you do that? Edit the image? Or delete alternate.png?

-Tedious- (or _Ion_, ingame) 23:51, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * So are talking about a way to decode everything so its just english and not this other language? My .jar has the alternate and default in there at the same time. --Throex 00:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, mine does too. Like the page says, we have to replace the alternate with the default, but I'm not sure what it means by that.

76.121.160.174 01:21, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * "Replace" is short for "delete original, copy and paste new."--76.24.11.2 05:14, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Just to clarify, in order to do this: -Delete "alternate.png" -Copy "default.png" and re-paste it into its own folder, it should automatically rename to something like "default (2).png" - Rename "default (2).png" to "alternate.png" so they're now both the same file. Srsguy 06:48, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * This would be a lot more helpful if the location that you're referring to was more obvious.  Wikipage says "minecraft.jar", what program are you using to open the jar for editing?  Notepad won't work.


 * You do know that you can use WinRAR to edit a jar file right? Yandols 08:52, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I thought I'd share this since it's not entirely intuitive and had me hung up for a bit. If you use a texture pack, you should edit the fonts in the texture pack instead of minecraft.jar. --96.29.117.215 06:11, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Tweet by Jeb
This tweet is releaving effects of enchanting: - Knockback 1 - Smite II http://twitter.com/#!/jeb_/status/123648239873433600 He is referring to this: http://imgur.com/VUVCi Unset 20:05, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Known Enchantments
A list of known enchantments and effects here:

Smite: Causes more damage to undead mobs (Skeletons and Zombies)

Knockback: unknown effect, posibly throws mobs backwards like a sprint-hit - Yes it does knock back mobs like sprinting, but with different velocity

Efficiency: Faster digging

Sharpness: More damage?

-El_Barto_227, The Half-Creeper! 02:40, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Have also seen Sharpness I (Sword, 3 xp level enchantment), Efficiency II, Unbreakable II (both from a 3 xp level enchantment on a diamond pick axe), Projectile Protection II (Diamond breastplate, 5 xp level enchantment) -User:Saitir 13 Oct 2011 18:00 BST

Enchantments listed in en_US.lang file:

enchantment.damage.all=Sharpness

enchantment.damage.undead=Smite

enchantment.damage.arthropods=Bane of Arthropods

enchantment.knockback=Knockback

enchantment.fire=Fire Aspect

enchantment.protect.all=Protection

enchantment.protect.fire=Fire Protection

enchantment.protect.fall=Feather Falling

enchantment.protect.explosion=Blast Protection

enchantment.protect.projectile=Projectile Protection

enchantment.oxygen=Respiration

enchantment.waterWorker=Aqua Affinity

enchantment.digging=Efficiency

enchantment.untouching=Silk Touch

enchantment.durability=Unbreaking

enchantment.lootBonus=Looting

enchantment.lootBonusDigger=Fortune

enchantment.level.1=I

enchantment.level.2=II

enchantment.level.3=III

enchantment.level.4=IV

enchantment.level.5=V

enchantment.level.6=VI

enchantment.level.7=VII

enchantment.level.8=VIII

enchantment.level.9=IX

enchantment.level.10=X

Table with Enchanting effects
When I was browsing 1.9pre4 NBTEdit, I saw that an enchantments existst of two fields: id and lvl Could you help by composing a table? with valid id's, effectnames ingame, description of the effect, and valid LVL options.

Increasing Spell Efficiency
I can confirm that surrounding an enchantment table with bookshelves radically enhances the levels of the available enchantments. This screenshot shows the highest level of enchantment I managed to reach thus far:

Between the bookshelves and the enchantment table there must be an empty space on all sides. Bookshelves placed directly against the enchantment table do NOT contribute to the enchantment table and leaves the enchantments unaltered.

It's also interesting to note that bookshelves which are LOWER than the animated book on the enchantment table do NOT make magical letters float from the bookshelves to the enchantment table. It is possible that only bookshelves on the same level as the enchantment table and a level above the enchantment table contribute to upgrading the enchantment level, but I have not tested this.

Technical: a 5x5x5 space of bookshelves, within that space a 3x3x3 space of no-blocks/air-blocks and within that space a 1x1x1 block occupied by an enchantment table. Saratje


 * NEW INFO - Tested the bookshelf theory, it is true. Only bookshelves at the same level as the enchantment table and one level above it contribute to raising enchantment levels. Additionally I saw a level 50 enchantment which might be the upper cap for enchantments, it'd be a nice round number for the stages of enchantment: I to X, five per roman numeral. I will screenshot the level 50 enchantment later when I have experience to show a before - during - after. Saratje

Effect IDs
Are effect IDs article relevant information, and if so, where should they be put? Regardless, complete* list:

Armour

0 is protection.

1 is fire protection.

2 is feather fall.

3 is blast protection.

4 is projectile protection.

5 is respiration.

6 is Aqua Affinity (eh?).

Sword

16 is sharpness.

17 is smite.

18 is bane of arthropods.

19 is knockback.

20 is fire aspect.

21 is looting.

Mining equipment

32 is efficiency.

33 is silk touch.

34 is unbreaking.

35 is "fortune".


 * Made table, added this.--Yurisho 20:55, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

ID Number
What ID Number are you using? And why are you sorting by ID number when it should be by alpha? --Ecksearoh 21:22, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The enchantment ID number was used, you can look that up for yourself by opening the file where the player's inventory is saved with a NBT editor. (Azzu 15:16, 14 October 2011 (UTC))

Silk Touch
First, Silk Touch 1 has a 100% chance to drop the original item. Secondly, the pickaxe works on literally everything as of now, even melons, and the enchantment itself seems to be quite rare. --Multisensory 00:18, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

"Looting" Enchantment
I think it may use the same numbers as the "Fortune" enchantment, but obviously I'm not sure. (Azzu 15:20, 14 October 2011 (UTC))

Describing How Enchantments Work
I haven't experimented with them too much, and I have found that the page doesn't really tell how they work. I've seen screenshots of items with multiple enchantments, but do these all have to be put on at the same time, or can you enchant the same item multiple times? Similarly, if you spend a large amount of skill points (30, for example) does it apply just one high level enchantment, or do the points spill over into some other enchantment, which you gain levels of? I'm not sure if some of this information is even known, but if it is, it should be added to the article. SuperC1997 01:07, 15 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I just blew 14 experience levels on an enchant picked at random for my Iron Sword - got "Sharpness I".

This indicates one of two things:
 * There is a minimum level of experience levels that must be invested in one enchanting attempt to reach Level II of an enchantment spell in one attempt (from unenchanted),

or


 * There is no point in spending high amounts of experience on single enchants because Levels are only gained by stacking (multiple attempts)

Sorry I couldn't be more help.


 * You cannot enchant an already enchanted item again, there is no stacking. Testing shows that if you spend more points on enchanting, the level of the enchantment will be higher. It is possible the enchantment level has a minimum and maximum value for the tier of bonus added to the item. Your Sharpness I at level 14 may have been tough luck.


 * It also seems higher level enchantments come more often with a double, triple or quadriple bonus. Having more bonuses on one item is a matter of luck, not stacked enchantmens. -Saratje

Spending a few days to reach level 50 and gave it some trys with a diamond pickaxe resulted in the following enchantments:

spendet level / enchantment results
 * 45 / Efficency III


 * 46 / Efficency IV


 * 46 / Efficency IV + Unbreakable III + Fortune III + Silky Touch I


 * 47 / Efficency V


 * 50 / Efficency IV

So a higher level does not give a better enchantment automatically. --Pigeggs 22:32, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I spend a few days of enchanting and i made a php/mysql table of all my result

Zonta Enchant Result --Zonta 14:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

silk touch
When you have the silk touch enhanchment on an axe. Red and birch wood drop normal wood, and you can cut leaves with it.

Silk Touch Rarity
I did some testing on a creative world where I NBT Edited the character to have 50,000 levels.

I found that Silk Touch was Extremely rare, and it seems that it will only show up on enchants that have a level requirement of 31 or higher. I ran through a double chest full of pickaxes on 20-30 level enchants, and didn't get silk touch until I tried 31+

I Believe I got silk touch on a lvl 31, 35, and 42 enchant. Which ended up being 3 times out of 2 double chests woth of Diamond pickaxes.

Has anybody else done similar testing? What have you found?


 * oooh, NBT edit, didn't know it could do that. I will do some testing :) --HexZyle 00:16, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I also got Silk Touch on a lvl 31 Enchantment. Buzzfly 21:23, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Just received Silk Touch on a lvl 24 Enchantment on a Diamond Pick. Mawty 13:02, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

I think I can top that. I just got silk touch on a lvl 15 enchantment. (Along with Unbreaking III and Efficiency II)... I guess I was lucky. --Gitterrost4 21:25, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Enchantments and durability
I was reading this page and noticed it said in the introduction that items last longer when enchanted. Now I know that there is a specific enchantment for increasing tool durability (Unbreaking), but is it true that adding an enchantment generally increases the enchanted item's durability? It is what the wiki text is saying now. --Thatar 19:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noting that, indeed you need the unbreaking enchantment to increase tool durability, the misleading info will be taken down ASAP.--Yurisho 20:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Cobweb
Does silk touch affect cobweb? I would test it myself but the enchantment is too rare for me to find.--Lirtsi 10:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Nope. It also doesn't affect stairs, snow cover, or beds/doors. Father  Toast  13:44, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, should that be added to the page or is it shown by omission?--Lirtsi 14:42, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it should be added, but I don't want to make the table really crazy, so I don't know where to put it. Maybe in a notes section. Father  Toast  20:58, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

What about snow blocks, clay or bookshelves?--Lirtsi 18:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Enchanting Table text is arbitrary, even when decoded, right?
While trying to figure out exactly how enchanting works so that I might be able to help make this wiki entry a bit more useful, I replaced my "alternative" png with the default, so that the characters would be viewable in English. I was surprised to see that the Enchanting Table text still seems completely arbitrary (instead of one of the three rows reading "Sharpness," for example, it just reads as a seemingly random phrase). Is this the case? Also, will the enchant names always be different in the Enchanting Table, or can you eventually learn which phrase leads to which enchant? WaxPaper 23:43, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I think the answer to both of these questions should be included in the wiki, which I'd be happy to write up if anyone knows the answer...


 * The words are completely random. Father  Toast  23:29, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for the info. I included a note about this in the wiki under the "decoding" section. What about the second question, though? Anyone know the answer? (Will the enchanting "phrases" always be different for the same enchant, or can I tell my friend that "XXX XXXX XXXXX" means "Sharpness I," which will work for him if he sees that phrase, for example? WaxPaper 23:43, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * There are 55 words in the dictionary, leading to about 966,000 combinations (give or take a few). The only way it could be deterministic is if each phrase is hashed together and used to seed the spell generator.  What we need are to find a few collisions (spells with the same name) and see if they yield the same effects.  We'll have to wait for the next MCP to be sure, but I'm guessing that the names are just random, and that it's a placeholder for a future, readable format (or possibly a system that lets you pick custom spells). Ghost2 03:56, 28 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the order is just random. In the future, Notch said he wanted to have a random loot element; I assume that would be how you sway enchantments to be what you want (like combining armor with an arrow when enchanting to have a higher chance of projectile protection). Father  Toast  04:11, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Torches, ladders etc.
I just realized that torches, ladders and other non-solid objects block of bookshelves from the Enchantment Table, thus preventing the levels to rise. Anyone else made the same experience? I also think that the description of the potential levels is wrong. 6bookshelves on each side allow enchantments up to level 35 at least, not 14. ~ Felcis 09:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I made the same discovery with torches. A torch directly beside the Enchantment table blocks the bookshelf level with the table and the one above that. I think this could be used to regulate enchantments. If you only want a low-level enchantment, simply place a torch between the table and the shelves. --Gitterrost4 17:28, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also the torches won't block the letters from flowing towards the table. The enchantments will still be low-level. --Gitterrost4 17:30, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Translation: I'm going to need an unorthodox back-door method of reaching my Table if I intend to keep it surrounded by the max number of Bookshelves? Cobalt32 17:34, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You can build it, so that you come up from below with a ladder. --Gitterrost4 17:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You only need one ladder to get out, which you can break and replace with your hands if you need level 50. Likewise, you can use sticky pistons to move the bookshelves out of the way and just have to break/replace a button for horizontal access. Father  Toast  18:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Perhaps this might provide some inspiration. —KPReid 19:40, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I go with:

SIDE VIEW

TOP-DOWN VIEW

--Saratje 19:25, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

It actually turns out, Mojang thought the table through, and all this arbitary balancing bookshelves and enchantment table nonsense is not required, because the enchantment table only requires 30 bookshelves to reach level 50 enchantments. This means we can have a nice doorway into our enchantment room. --HexZyle 12:42, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Enchantment Guide
Has anyone seen this video?

It provides a pretty comprehensive breakdown of the process. There are also links to complete probabilities for obtaining each enchantment, including assessments of ideal level to minimise EXP and/or item wastage.

124.148.128.46 08:56, 24 October 2011 (UTC) Random without a wiki account


 * So basically Gold-items are best for getting good enchantments? Neat, that's what I kinda hoped for. Very interesting guide, thanks. ~ Felcis 14:18, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Missing Information
Someone deleted "smite" and other important information from the "tool enchantments" grid. Could someone please fill them in?

Efficiency
Article states that it's will increase mining speed by 10% per level. Does it really increase mining speed or decrease time to mine a block? Let me explain:

50% increase in mining speed means that block will be mined for 10/15 of usual time. Obsidian block (takes normally to mine 15 seconds) will be mined for 10 seconds.

50% decrease time to mine a block means that block will be mined for 5/10 of usual time. Obsidian block (takes normally to mine 15 seconds) will be mined for 7.5 seconds.

Sadly, there is a bug with obsidian and efficiency enchant. I might run some tests on redstone ore later, but before that I want to know if somebody already knows, how it's really behaves. — MiiNiPaaT 17:02, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sadly, Efficiency won't work on redstone either. On smooth stone it mines so fast that I think it isn't really 10% per level. Looks more like 15 per level. If I find time, I'll check source code for this. — MiiNiPaaT 17:54, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's "You break blocks 10% faster per level," if that makes any difference. --Saphireking65 18:02, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * @Saphire, that's hardly descriptive. He means - is the mining speed increased to 110%, or the time taken to mine the block reduced to 90%? Because there is a difference. --HexZyle 03:30, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there even a "Mining Speed"? Each block breaks after X amount of time, so I assume it means the time it takes to break them will drop by 10% each level.  --Saphireking65 03:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's just what the article states. However it doesn't really specify how the 10% works. Could be:

Reducing the mine time by 10% (the logical method): Block mine time = 1 - 0.1x Or Increasing the mining speed by 10% (what the article states): Block mine time = 1 / (1 + 0.1x) secs With x being the level of enchantment. --HexZyle 08:35, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Blast Protection
Something I just realized... Creepers currently deal just enough (9.8) damage to one-shot you through full iron armor... Unless you have Blast Protection (or possibly normal Protection, too?) on at least one piece. Same for charged creepers and diamond armor (9.7). Maybe this could be utilized to test by how much Protection and Blast Protection reduce damage per level by testing it on both normal and charged creepers at point-blank range? 84.156.0.23 12:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Protection protects against explosions, too. Each level increases the damage reduced by a good lot, considering it makes you nearly invincible with protection X on any piece of armor (or even on a pumpkin). Father  Toast  12:48, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think you can enchant pumpkins - the pumpkin would never be used up and then it would be an OP enchantment --HexZyle 20:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You need to hack to get the tenth tier of an enchantment, and you can hack any enchantment onto anything in your inventory. Father  Toast  22:43, 3 November 2011 (UTC)