Minecraft Wiki talk:Community portal/Archive 3

Translating the Minecraft Wiki
Can you add the french language on the wiki ? And others like italian(requested on this page too), etc... I can translate in french.


 * I second that. I was actually looking for a way to translate pages directly here since minecraft.fr isn't really... well, it has many translations and orthographic flaws. Plus, I'd prefer to improve Minepedia directly, and not a somewhat French copy. --18:06, January 04 2010 (UTC)
 * I could translate in french too ! +1! --13:08, January 23 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I just found the Translation topic, and it seems we'll have to wait till there's enough Dutch pages for any other languages, am I right ? -- 05:49, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I would like to translate the entire Wiki into Esperanto; through what process would I need to go through to obtain a .eo directory? 1:11, 13 January 2011 (EST)

So...what is the current policy on translation directories? I have a Spanish one in the works (see my User Page) and I daresay it and a French directory have a better shot at not falling into obscurity like the Dutch wiki. -- 08:38, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The major problem with these requests is that there has to be enough people willing to translate the wiki, which is rarely the case. The Dutch wiki for example, never took off due to lack of contributors, while the German wiki was made by an other community - we acquired them and they continued contributing. If there already is a wiki in a foreign language, we certainly look into getting them to join us. We're currently in the process of getting a Russian wiki to join us, but so far we aren't getting any response to our emails. To summarize it up; We can't just add new languages because a few people ask us to, we can only take it in consideration if there's already a well-developed community working on one.-- -  MCWiki Administrator  13:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What I would suggest is that if you are interested in translating the wiki into another language, start by creating a "Project" page. The proper place to do so in this case would be . Find other users who are willing to commit to the project and develop a plan of how to get all pages translated within a reasonable period of time. Have each user sign the project page as a show of their commitment, and then track your progress by adding a link to each translated page as it is completed. This allows the community to see and monitor the progress of the project. Once the project has reached say.... 80% completion, we can revisit the addition of a French subdomain. If the project fails to progress after say 6 months, the pages that have been translated can be removed. Translated pages should be created as subpages of the English page, and added to the category . --   16:03, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan! I agree with this approach.-- -  MCWiki Administrator  16:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I can translate it in Serbian, French, Italian and German! But I'm new and I don't know where to find a project page? Can anybody help?

Thanks,

MeYouAndTheRadio

Girls play Minecraft too!

One thing that gets on my nerves is the articles with \es or \fr or \whatever. If we want to translate the wiki to other languages, isn't there another, more practical way of doing this? It is really annoying as you can't really read the list of wanted articles any more and when clicking random page you get to articles in languages you don't speak. I don't have much experience with wikis, but I'm sure there must be a way to enable multiple language support, so you can select the language you want to read the article in on the left side menu. The whole translation project, in my opinion is getting in the way of more important things (improving the wiki articles) as the page of wanted articles, as I said, became absolutely unusable. I like to contribute to the language project as well, but only when it's properly integrated (I'm a native german speaker). Thanks 17:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read above for why this convention is being used. Minepedia already uses the MediaWiki interwiki language feature by having two other wiki's setup on the same server. The problem is that they've become stagnant and a waste of resources. So it's been decided instead that any new languages to be added to Minepedia must prove themselves first by running a project on the English Minepedia. THEN, if the project proves to be very successful, all the suffix pages will get moved to a new wiki. I admit it's quite annoying to see but it's the best solution so far for the stagnant-wiki problem. -- 17:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Dutch Wiki
The Dutch Wiki is in an extremely poor state at the moment; until I started editing yesterday it had 25 articles. It seems like there are no active admins or anything on there and the main page is protected and has rubbish translations. Whether we should keep it, or remove it? I don't feel like building up a whole wiki on my own =/ - 13:37, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I just added an edit-copy to the mainpage, where you can edit the main page however you wish. Simply give an admin a call to review your changes, and they will be parsed through.-- -  MCWiki Administrator  18:47, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks - 16:27, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Could I maybe translate the pages of this Wiki into [Pagename]/nl? I would really enjoy and it's a project I could probably do (mostly) on my own. 15:37, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Why? There's a reason why we have a subdomain.-- -  MCWiki Administrator  15:39, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, maybe I missed out on that one. :D Could you link me to that subdomain? 16:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Here --   19:07, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Started the tedious work of translating the templates -  18:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

References to old versions
Can we remove references to old versions of the game that aren't in history sections?

In a lot of the articles there are sentences like, "In Survival Test, Indev, Infdev, Alpha, and Beta..." I can understand references to old versions of the game in history sections or in other situations, but there are way too many of these in inappropriate situations.

Just look at the "Fire" article

"Fire is a block that was first seen in Indev." This reference makes sense, and should remain in the article.

"Fire is only available for use in Indev, Infdev, Alpha, and Beta." I feel this sentence should be removed.

I am probably wrong though. I would just like to know why.
 * I'm with you on this one. Every block,item etc should have a history section that explains when the item was introduced in the game and how it behaved differently in the previous versions. The main article text should always be about the item as it is in the current version of the game. -- 03:52, 22 December 2010 (CST)
 * I agree. I would consider making an additional field in the infobox template providing the link to the history page where all historical data should be listed. This is one of the great things about building a wiki from the very start of the game, you are able to compile a lot of historical data as the game progresses. --   01:32, 23 December 2010 (CST)
 * I was going to suggest something very similar. It was something that caught my eye on first sight when reading some articles, and this is a definite yes. It isn't really obvious because it is in a form of words but what we are currently doing is as though we are saying, "in versions 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4 and 1.5, this feature works like this". It doesn't work.


 * I have stressed before many times. All these Infdev, Alpha, etc are merely version milestones in Minecraft. What was introduced are likely to be in the final version of the game, so we should put, for example, "From Alpha onwards...". If it only happened during a certain phase, we could write, "During the Indev to Alpha phases..." or something equivalent to the history section.


 * I wanted to change these but I've said to myself that I wouldn't be too involved in this Wiki any more. Seeing that I'm particularly free today, I will attempt to improve these articles, and, however. :P -- 04:02, 26 December 2010 (CST)


 * Why not just state something like, "as of the ..." instead of putting a specific figure in there? That way, each update wouldn't necessitate a massive amount of minor edits to swap all the Alphas/Betas/whatevers on each page throughout the wiki. An alternate solution is to create a template containing the current version, and then implement that into each page (eg. as of ..."). -   (/) 04:14, 26 December 2010 (CST)


 * That would be even better. If only someone could spend the time to dig out all of these in the changelog... But we need to put what development phase too. Like Alpha 1.2.0 or beta 1.0 onwards. -- 05:01, 26 December 2010 (CST)

Maybe we should split the wiki into different sections (based on version). so if you want to look up stuff on classic, you can look at only classic and not indev, survival test, infdev, beta and alpha. just a thought. 13:47, 26 December 2010 (CST)
 * Given that Survival Test, Indev, Infdev, and Alpha are no longer publicly accessible (at least officially), we should probably either minimize that info somehow (perhaps in a collapsed section?) or even remove some of the information that is specifically about them. (If anyone is curious, they can always access the page-history).
 * Also, classic will be phased out eventually (Notch plans to create a better "demo" option (http://twitter.com/notch/status/18801312527294465)), so even that info will soon be irrelevant for current players (albeit, interesting as an historical datapoint).
 * So, presuming that this Wiki is primarily intended to support current players of the game, and restrict (but not forbid) information about the previous parts of the game's development process, how should we structure the no-longer-pertinent info, such as all the pre-beta info in ? -- 21:22, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I would recommend moving the historic data to subpages, and then have a "Historic data" section at the bottom of the page, linking to them for those people interested in reading about how the game has changed. Relying on the page histories is inefficient and will become problematic as time goes by. I will see that subpages get enabled on all namespaces tomorrow. --   04:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm glad someone brought this up. I would like it if it were more like the MagmaWiki (dwarf fortress wiki) where the versions are displayed at the bottom of the page, and you can switch between them. I do think, however, that all pages should be rewritten on the realease update.

I'm pretty sure nobody plays Indev or Infdev because they are the old versions. What we should write is "As of Alpha, Sheep drop wool." (Random example I just made up on the spot) or write "In Beta....." -- 03:57, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Almost at the cake!
The 26th is the one to watch, but almost there...

http://www.indiedb.com/events/2010-indie-of-the-year-awards/winners

Congratulations on the editor's choice, Notch! -- 08:20, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I KNOW HOW TO MAKE SUGAR NOW!!!!!! Just take the reed and put it in de 2x2 box. Just one of it. Then you get one sugar ;)             BUT WHATS THE CAKE CRAFTING RECIEPE?? =(

[How do you make paper now?]-- 09:25, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Paper is made the same way, this discussion seems a little trivial on the main page however. -St. Fenix (•) 16:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Minecraft Rulesets
Can we have a page on Rulesets? What I mean by 'ruleset' is a set of goals and/or rules for the game that a player adheres to within the Minecraft sandbox. An example of a ruleset is Spleef. Someone on the Minecraft forums recently posted a ruleset that they thought of, called 'Totemquest'. I spent about 3 hours making a page on Minepedia for it, and it was almost immediately deleted after creation. (Lucky for me I had it backed up, huh?) I think rulesets are very interesting, especially considering Minecraft doesn't really have any goals for the player currently, and players have to come up with their own goals. Being able to easily share good rulesets with other players makes the game more interesting to people, as it opens up new ways of playing that some people have not thought of. My Totemquest article is on my, if you'd like a preview. Is there anywhere that it would be permissible to add it to Minepedia? Is anyone else interested in a Rulesets page? -- 06:50, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * An intriguing idea, but I'm not sure that "ruleset" is the best name for the general concept. Too close to the nethack "conduct" restrictions. If we can come up with a clearer title, then I'd support making it a tutorial subpage, with a collection of these "user-made goals". -- 19:10, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * We could always just pick a term and then later change the term to something else that we like better. I just don't know of a better term than 'ruleset' at this time. The term 'ruleset' is used from time to time in this way. When I search for gameplay "ruleset" in Google, I get 314,000 results. However, dictionary.com does not know the word. Wikipedia sort of recognizes it. The term 'sub-game' might also be good. I don't really care what term is used. I'd just like pages that detail these 'sub-games/conducts/rulesets'. I'd love to see a huge collection of these (quality ones). I also don't think it fits under Tutorials because it doesn't teach anything. A tutorial is something which tutors. I would just put it under Gameplay, but again, I'd just be happy to see it on Minepedia, period. -- 03:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the idea of a ruleset is perfect for those seeking a game to play with minecraft that is shorter or has a clear ending. Something like totemquest defines a set of rules that clearly describe winning or losing conditions.  If the term "ruleset" is the reason this can't be done, let it be known as "minecraft rules" or something like that.  Define the category as "games that can be played within minecraft to make it more interesting" and let people's imaginations run wild... after all, letting people use their imagination is the purpose of Minecraft.. isn't it? 07:03, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The big problem with these rulesets is that anyone can make them, and at the end of the day you have a crapload of them, all a tiny bit different. Its pretty much the same reason why we don't allow pages on in-games either; they're too spam-sensitive. I guess its similar to Wikipedia's "Wikipedia is not for things made up one day" rule.-- -  MCWiki Administrator  16:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have to be all or nothing. You could allow a Rulesets page (or whatever you want to call it) that only includes some rulesets -- the best rulesets. How would you determine what the best ones are? Well, it would be done mostly democratically -- the way things are done on Wikipedia. If someone took ruleset X, and just slightly changed it to create ruleset Y, then ruleset Y could be discarded. If that variation happened to be very popular, then maybe X would get modified, or that variation would be listed on X's page. Thank you for responding and explaining why this rule exists. I can see its usefulness but I think it's heavy-handed. I think the administration on this wiki is very . -- 17:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Minecraft Conduct
In Nethack, there are various "conduct" achievements that one can voluntarily follow (and which can be combined). See http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Conduct for details

Translated into Minecraft, these might become something like this:
 * Pacifist - no attacking any mobs. Only running away from mobs, and trapping or barricading mobs, is allowed.
 * Corrupted Pacifist - allowed to build dark-room mobspawning harvester. allowed to lure animals into cactus/lava/water
 * Vegetarian - no harvesting of pigs, zombiepigmen, or fish. Only bread, apples, and soup may be eaten.
 * Vegan - if eggs or milk become edible or craftable, then eating these items is also not allowed
 * Breatharian - no eating of any kind. Avoid all damage!
 * Single life - after death, delete the world. No resurrection.
 * Hydrophobe - no crossing or collecting or altering of water. Blocks must be placed at least 1 space away from any visible water.[Do boats count? -- 09:28, 14 January 2011 (UTC)}

I think a page (or section) collecting these, would be interesting. -- 19:10, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Those are cool rules or conducts to follow (Pacifist would be funny to try), but none of them provide goals. When I say 'ruleset', I'm talking about things which either contain new rules, goals, or both. Also, with Totemquest and Spleef, the game guidelines are much more sophisticated than a simple "don't eat meat". Think of rulesets as card games. Each card game is a ruleset. You've got cards (Minecraft) that you can play with in a variety of ways. A card game details out a way to play with the cards (Minecraft) that gives a goal and a set of rules. A Minecraft ruleset details out a way to play Minecraft that involves a goal and guidelines you must follow in achieving the goal. It's not just an Achievement (not that there's anything wrong with simple rules), but an entire [sub]game. An Achievement in the card game Solitaire would be a small change to the game that gives some level of added challenge, but does not change the core of the game. It's just a harder goal. A ruleset is the game. An Achievement is a small change to the game -- to the ruleset. -- 03:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I guess admins don't read this talk page... -- 13:10, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes we do. Just because we don't reply to everything (for which this page isn't even meant for) doesn't mean we don't read it.-- -  MCWiki Administrator  16:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Version Observations

 * All of these have been proven on the, , and pages. -St. Fenix (•) 16:48, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * there you go.-- 11:24, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

WHATS HAPPENED TO THE RAIL?!!!
In order for me to explore the beauty of the World... of Minecraft, I have built one of the longest railroads across many rivers and through many mountains. At the same time building monuments to show off what is possible to achieve, such as a 15 block wide and 184 block long suspension bridge holding 3 spaced... well i could go on but the railway will have to go on hold because of a glitch!!! Placement of track is now impossible! Something to do with the placement of corners with new pieces are not connecting. Please i beg you Notch, the cake wasn't a lie, neither is this!

Thanks.

Oh and if you guys are interested i can show you some pics of my designs. :) –The preceding unsigned comment was added by ( 10:33, 14 January 2011. Please sign your posts with   !
 * It was a bug and should have been fixed in 1.2_01 -- 15:49, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Block template

 * moved from 

Why did you edit all the images out of Template: Blocks? 02:21, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * there is a summary for a reason............... -- 08:29, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. I'm wondering if you could point me (us) towards the discussion, if it is online, and if it is offline, could you summarize what you're allowed to pass on, or start a discussion about it at the community portal? I'm sure many editors are, like myself, curious as to what exactly you meant by "Curse have asked for this to happen. We are seeking alternatives right now." (Where was this requested? Why? Which alternatives? Can we participate? etc.) An open community is a happy community :) Much thanks! -- 11:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ah, no problem. It was on IRC, but, let me sum it up. It used 70 images. It was stressing the server. I fear the others will do so shortly. There has been a solution put forward, but it would be hard to implement. something to do with CSS stuff, I don't know. but the CSS thing can only be edited by admins.-- 13:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's called CSS sprites, right? The client would load only one "big" image and then display parts of this one image, like Minecraft does. If you want, I can help you with that, I've some experiences with HTML and CSS. -- 14:02, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am asking right now.....................
 * He says you can in your userspace, but I am unsure if you can, like, permission wise. I'm just confirming.........


 * ok, he says you can do user CSS. so, go for it! I'll make the sheet for you ^^-- 14:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Good, so now I can create a new user style sheet like, for example, and you can include it in all pages? -- 14:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * create it, and we'll check if it's suitable with Curse, then somehow(?) integrate it into the template? By the way, the sheet:
 * -- 15:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I can use this image, but it requires a few edits to make sure that block additions won't mess up existing block sprites. -- 15:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * such as? they're aware updating it will take a day or two, and for the wiki's sake, I've accepted that, so, if it's that, it's been discussed ^^-- 15:10, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's not that ^^ It's just that you put images in rows that are directly related to the blocks template, but these sprites could be used everywhere else where 16x16 icons are used, like in or  or, for example. Maybe it's better to use the original sprite images such as terrain.png and items.png and create a special image for icons that don't exist in the official sprites. This will ease updates a lot and makes sure that the sprite coordinates won't change after updates. -- 15:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * idk, I mean, look at grass and leaves. Grey. it could also happen with wool and the like. in either case, we have some options at this point.
 * idk, I mean, look at grass and leaves. Grey. it could also happen with wool and the like. in either case, we have some options at this point.


 * I'd suggest I resize the image to a full square, and that leaves space. lets face it, we cannot rely on Notch to keep terrain.png as it is, but with this, we can add to it knowing we aren't messing it up.


 * I think, for now, it should stay as that image. If needs call for it, we can simply go back to the pngs, but I'm just thinking update-wise.


 * lets face it, we're going to be updating a file and editing this "CSS" either way. why not do so with an image we have absolute full control of?-- 15:54, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah right, I forgot the procedural colored/generated blocks... Well then, I'll create a 256x256 image based on the terrain.png and make some changes, same for items.png (compass and clock). -- 16:02, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've created a sprite test page here: . It uses and my user stylesheet . Therefore, it currently works for me only, but will work for everyone else if you copy the content of my stylesheet into  or by creating a link into the page header. -- 18:43, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ok, it works perfectly!!!!!! I'm going to pass this to an admin to implement ^^-- 12:32, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ok, it will be implemented, but I fear that is for only one image (blockCSS.png). is there a way to specify the file in the – 's?-- 12:34, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It can be used for more images, of course. I was just waiting for your opinion before implementing more :)
 * I've done a sheet for the item icons and maybe I can create one for the isometric block renderings, too, but they need a larger size than 16x16, maybe 24x24. Should be possible, though. -- 14:01, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Have a look at. I've done it without using background images, so no stylesheet addition is required. Shall we merge it into ? -- 14:27, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Good work! I tried that method, too, but the div elements didn't behave like images do, so I tried other methods. When I discovered the inline-block display property, I forgot to test it with that method again. Seems to work like a charm, so your solution is preferable, of course. -- 15:31, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Merged! Now I just need someone to fill out the name -> id mapping in ... -- 16:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * uh, we do need it for a few more things, such as mobs, enviroment etc.
 * if it's possible, can't you specify it for a fixed image-size, and let us choose the file in the – 's? -- 16:49, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's possible in now. The templates  and  are necessary, because of the name -> id mapping. -- 05:11, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Unaware of this discussion, I edited the templates that use Navbox, cleaning up the CSS and wiki markup. I believe I didn’t do anything impeding the Sprite progress (great idea, by the way!). Finishing my edits, to merge into  the styles from, which define a standard Navbox layout (similar to that of Wikipedia, just with gray colors).
 * Ok, so, we got blocks and items, but we still need and  to be updated. can someone do that?-- 13:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Done! -- 16:00, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

favicon
Minepedia is missing a favicon. I made this one :

Could some admin put it in place (if you agree to it)? –  11:17, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I just made the same suggestion. somehow i missed your topic here (too early in the morning for me) 20:09, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I would like to propose a wiki favicon be added and have uploaded a suggested on which (both in and in  format) which is a scaled down version of the wiki logo. Although their appears to be an existing one in place ( & ) in place, this wiki software version either doesn't show them or my browsers (chrome/firefox) refuse to show them for some reason.

Reasons for including one include ease of visual viewers locating this wiki in both their browsing tabs as well as in their bookmarks. In addition a favicon would add a bit more character to this fine wiki. 20:05, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I have added a favicon, it simply takes a while for it to show up. --   23:57, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * thanks Wynthyst =) 00:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Admin list
I think there should be a page that lists the admins and bcrats (and ideally their level of activity) so that users don't have to blindly strike out to find who can do bans or other tasks. -- 22:34, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Special:ListUsers&group=sysop – ( at 09:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe Jon is talking about a dedicated page, not just a Special page reference. --   11:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * that could be seen as a vanity page, and as such, against the rules :S -- 12:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Publicising the fact you're an admin is an act of vanity now? -- 13:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's the kind of thing that the Minecraft Wiki namespace is for. I'm not talking about something in the mainspace. --   13:57, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * In addition, the establishment of an Admin noticeboard, where members of the community could post items that specifically require administrative attention (other than deletions) might be a good idea as well. --   14:14, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not. Watching a category doesn't seem to make it show up on my watchlist when something is added like I expected, so the pages for deletion category and the like seems rather useless to me. – ( at 15:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * An administrator's noticeboard doesn't sound bad to me. Gives us a better overview of the readers and editors' needs, too.-- -  MCWiki Administrator  15:33, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Done --    16:45, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Search Improvements
In order to fix the problems encountered with various typos or cap issues with the search (to avoid having to make redirect pages) I'm now proposing to get this installed for the wiki (which'd provide search suggestions for common typos and capping problems): http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenSearchXml 04:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I actually think MWSearch with Lucene-search would be more useful than something that only seems to generate XML... Lucene mentions the "did you mean" on the page. 04:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If that'd work better then I'm all for it. 20:10, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Polish translation
Hi there! Polish center of Minecraft would like to conduct translation of the whole Minepedia to polish language. We are already trying to do this on our own, but it's hard to make it look as good as the original. Is it possible to receive exact copy of the original site, so we can just translate the text? Please let me know at gobelek@badi.pl Thanks!
 * I'd love to join if you start something, if you want my help, give me a shout on my talk page. 21:42, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Standard article layout for easy reading
Hi,

I have left a comment about the article, which went unvoiced. Let me cite that first: How come this article is labelled Creative in the title, and Flower redirects here? I wanted to find information about whether flowers could be spread (grown en masse) so that we could massively produce dye combinations. And what I find here is an article labelled with a game mode (not what I'm playing), and more surprising, the article first talks about Creative, then Survival Test, then Infdev, Indev, Alpha, Beta, and FINALLY, in the last paragraph of the article, information about the latest version. I mean, really, shouldn't information about the latest version go first? Also, why is the article labelled Decoration? Flowers may be decoration, usage of flowers to create dyes may still be decoration, coloring dyes may be decoration, but in this case, why does this article mention Saplings?

I have looked through several Block articles and found out that often none of them share the same presentation layout. Therefore, I'd like to invoice that:

I have created two pages to explain my point of view.

When you get to read an article on this Wiki, you are often faced with statements that are about an older version of Minecraft. This is confusing. It's especially confusing when these information come before information about newer versions.

When you read an article about an item in the game, you want to know "What's this currently" and "What have changed", and "What it used to be".

"What's this" is more about the actual facts about the item in order of importance. The function, the craft, and the behaviour come first. Then come details about the textures for example.

"What have changed" is about minor changes. For example, you want to know that Log now come in three different kinds. Because it's fresh new and it doesn't involves great behaviour change. It comes in a list of changes.

"What it used to be" is more about historical data, in the and all. You put that in the end since you'd read it when you want to know more about it. When you're in Minecraft, you often open the Wiki to find out critical information, and you don't want to be bothered by what it used to be in the main subject of the article (which is currently the case for many articles). The only information would be the birth of the item, which is quite notable.

Well that's my sole point of view. You could just go and compare:

Since it would be a community decision, I've just put a voice in. I obviously can't go and change everything, it has to be a community impulse if the community thinks it's right.

Thanks for reading.-- 20:29, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This is where you (the MCW Community) might want to start developing some formatting guidelines. They don't have to be strict rules, but something that will provide for basically uniform article layouts. Users would benefit by uniformity. --   23:56, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Considering that Minecraft is still a work in progress, problems like this seem entirely natural. Hopefully others might care enough to agree and take notice. Regardless, definitely feel free to update the ones you feel would value the most from it, granted no one has limitless hours in which to dedicate their individual time to such things. The nature of new wikis, from my experience, often include style issues. Personally I believe "style nazis" can deter new editors unlike any other (although grammar nazis are most welcome in my opinion seeing as not everyone has the best of grammar).


 * From what i have seen, setting a good example seems more likely to inspire other editors than simply noting issues. The gaming wiki that I have contributed the most to has over 16,000 articles and a very large editor base. As such keeping consistent style can be daunting at best and is oft lost with the influxes of ambitious new editors. As they say actions speak louder than words.  00:00, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well that's why I'm talking about basic guidelines, not necessarily set-in-stone rules. If there is a group of users interested in it, I would suggest developing a guideline proposal at . Decide what main types of articles have been developed (those that have the same type of sections) and then decide standard section headers, image placements, etc. While I don't expect anyone to become "style nazis" having a basic article layout available that a new user can simply copy/paste and fill in with information can sometimes make it easier for them, than just having them randomly type information on a page. It would at least provide a basic structure for them to start with. --   00:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, this wiki still have about 300 articles, should we wait until Mojang release an update which will include a hundred new items at once? Any "Let's get started!" cheer move to get an infancy of layout drafts for proposal? I'm not a regular editor on this wiki, not even a beginner, so it there could be a decent number of people who could manifest over this? (however the layout will be very biased over a few thoughts)-- 13:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * getting started sooner is always better, and i agree with. I think a logical round up of articles are those with navigation templates, such as, , , and possibly . Should we perhaps move this discussion over to ?  This is rather new and refreshing to me to be part of such a newer wiki =)  16:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's best to keep the discussion here I think. I agree that we need a set of style guidelines though, quite surprised there wern't any. I linked a user to but I think we can work together to come up with our own manual of style. For instance, in some article cleanups I've been doing I've reformatted "Behavior" sections so they're sub-sectioned per version (Classic, Alpha, Beta, etc) and other little things. -- 16:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Combining block pages
I'd like to propose several mergers of pages that I feel are redundant. For example:

Seems really necessary, to me, to have to have three pages for what is essentially a single material in different forms. All three articles are essentially stubs, and with some clever re-working, I feel there could, and should, easily just be one page for "Iron" that talks about all its incarnations.

I'm willing, but I don't want to do something this time-consuming and find that people don't like it, so please speak up. This will apply to, I think, all minable ores.

04:39, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The only thing I see is that 2 of them are categorized as blocks, while one of them is categorized as an item. I'm not sure exactly what the differences are between the two that are blocks and could possibly agree that those two pages could be merged, however when you are talking about differently categorized stuff, it's generally best to keep them separated to avoid confusion. --   05:13, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The difference between and  are still substantial enough to warrant their own pages I believe (one functions as a mineable resource and another is purely for decoration + storage purposes). Although playing devils advocate, considering both the  and Iron block pages don't really have much to write about, combining them would make them fill out more and in the meantime the  and  templates can still link to these individually via anchor tags. Myself, I vote for keeping them separate. -- 07:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, okay. If you guys say so! 21:26, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * No way I don't like that idea, it generalizes to much. 01:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Mod: namespace / Third party content
I think there should be a Mod: namespace created to support articles for, as this will allow a clear division between official and unofficial content. It would be useful in that there are some client mods which are popular and do provide some very good content which could do with documenting. One example is, which I marked for deletion because I don't feel it warrants its own article (although in retrospect, I probably should undo that and wait for consensus on this idea). Under the Mod: namespace, it could probably go under or even  and they'll have their own templates like  but for third party content. Good idea?

Also, I'm curious what the general stance is on third party content. We could probably do more to support it and the rules seem to show a stance against it, but understandably there are two issues with third party content in general:
 * A lot of it is mediocre, bordering on useless
 * Mojang and the Minecraft sites can't and won't (and shouldn't) provide support on third-party content

Another little idea I had was to create a navbox like but for third party content, linking all articles related like. Should I do this? -- 10:08, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * MCWiki's stance towards third-party content is pretty much a grey zone; We don't really like it, but due to the community stance we still allow it, we just don't provide any support at all. I'm going to take your Mod subspace in serious consideration as it seems to be an easy solution to a fairly large problem. A navbox for mods seems unnecessary to me; I prefer to have the wiki as "core" as possible.-- -  MCWiki Administrator  16:03, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair does. I can understand topics on modded content can become unwieldy. I figure if we can get some editors to commit themselves to maintaining third party content content to wiki-standards, we can win your confidence :P I'd be happy to do this. I can also make a sample navbox in my user space if you'd like. -- 16:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * While we are open to considering adding new namespaces, the role of those namespaces has to be seriously considered. Currently there are only 3 pages concerning Mods. I don't believe this is enough to warrant a namespace. I also don't want to see a namespace being used to separate data that could more easily be done in other ways. We fixed the subpage issue today, so all namespaces now have subpaging enabled, so I think that between that and use of categorization should be enough to handle this specific issue. As for the question should these be documented on the wiki or not? I think that needs to be considered on a basis of general community acceptance. If it's a mod that's been accepted by the overall community and is widely used in the game, it probably deserves it's own article (a subpage of ). If it's a mod that just has a niche use in the community, then having it mentioned on the Mods page is probably enough without it's own article. --   00:20, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe we should just move all mod pages to a subdirectory of mods, like how we have with tutorials. There is no need for a separate namespace. – ( at 18:40, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

new mode: zombies!!
i got this idea about a new mode called "zombies!!". its kinda like the survival mode, but with a lot more zombies. when you start the game, you get ten days to find a place to build a base, and build it. when the tenth night come, zombies will spawn and attack you. they can break simple bricks as sand and dirt, and maybe use long time on destroying wood or planks. also that players have an oppertunity to repair stuff, as long as they have the required material. when day comes you will have less time to gather items you need to survive, but enought to get some. this will keep on for how many waves you can make it to (with a counter) and maybe add some upgrades or extra items for special wave, kinda like every tenth you get one item. fifth, tenth, fifteenth, and so on might have some bosses. you get the point. so what do you guys think? just pop in with suggestions if you like! :) –The preceding unsigned comment was added by ( 16:44, 28 January 2011. Please sign your posts with !


 * Haha, welcome to the Wiki, Morgan. Unfortunately this isn't the place to suggest new features and game modes for Minecraft, as this is a discussion page for the wiki community for wiki-related matters. Your best option would be to make your suggestion over at the Minecraft forums. Most likely your idea or some variant of it has already been suggested, so make sure you search for a similar topic. Otherwise, do not hesitate to use it as an outlet for discussion as long as you follow the rules. Cheers, -- 16:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

thanks :) and okay i didnt notice it was just discussion :) ill check trough the forums now :)

Wait so this is only for wiki-related things like tips on logic gates or something? I'm new.

~MeYouAndTheRadio

Girls play Minecraft too!

Sports subpages
Instead of altogether banning all sports pages from the wiki, couldn't we make Sports/Sportname instead of Sportname? This would be similar to tutorials. 23:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sports? That doesn't sound very relevant or useful to core Minecraft :s -- 11:40, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure it is relevant! I mean all the game is for fun. So is ingame sports. It has the same relevance as constructional tutorials like e.g. -- 12:43, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Suggestions??
Well, I've been thinking, How can we make Minecraft Wiki a better place and increase its visitors? Well, A way we could do it is by expanding stubs, or by putting download links to the Editors and programs. And each member should be able to make their own profile (Unless I'm just stupid and couldn't find out how because I'm new). In the case of the Italic writing, the next person who suggests something can put a strike through it. Another thing that the MCW should have is a way to get rid of these annoying PlaySushi ads! THEY DRIVE ME CRAZY! I'm just minding my business, reading, and then it opens and I cant read what it says! Enough of that, what are your suggestions? –The preceding unsigned comment was added by ( 15:11, 3 February 2011. Please sign your posts with  !
 * You can make your own profile in your user space, and just use adblock, every sane person does. If you don't mind normal ads, you should be able to set it to just block the ones that get in the way. – ( at 05:06, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * There are now and only ever will be the two banner ads one at the top, and one at the bottom of each page. As long as you are logged in, you should not see anything else in the way of advertising on these pages. If you are, you might want to run some anti malware scans on your computer to make sure you are not carrying around nasties. To create your "profile" simply click on the red link at the top of any page that is your username. That is your userspace and you can put virtually anything there that does not grossly violate the (no porn, etc). As for increasing it's visitors, it's actually doing quite well, I don't think we have to push too hard in that direction. Focus on fixing/adding usable content... "Build it and they will come."  --    11:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha, yeah, we don't really have to focus on increasing visitors at the moment. After all, we recently did jump to a stable 200K visitors a day, didn't we? Not to mention we're in the process of acquiring a big Russian wiki, and probably adding a French one this very month. As Wynthyst said, "Build it and they will come".-- -  MCWiki Administrator  13:45, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay! Thanks for all the advice. :) -- 00:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Minepedia Poland - The biggest Polish Minecraft Wiki
Hi! I'm an administrator of Minepedia Polska. From day to day, we have more and more articles, users and visitors. Writing an article, we little translation. More and more we write their own content. Our mission is to create the largest Polish center of Minecraft.

You can put the Polish wiki "Minepedia Poland" in menu section "In other languages"? I will be grateful. I'll do the same for you, and put Minecraft Wiki in my Partner section. If any suggestions, contact, etc. please write in my or [mailto:lewandowski.pol@gmail.com lewandowski.pol@gmail.com]. We are open to all. 09:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Images and watermarks
There seems to be a tricky issue arisen surrounding image watermarks, particularly on where the image's original creator would prefer to leave his URL on the image itself. In my opinion I think all images contributed to the wiki should not have a watermark of any kind as it detracts from the whole encyclopedic nature. Instead, URL's and credits should be kept on the image's description page and people submitting images must only submit them if they intended to be on this wiki.

What's the official stance on this? There probably should be some clarification on the rules (or maybe a write up of posting guidelines?). Especially in the case of where the image was not uploaded by the creator. -- 19:17, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The official stance is that all submissions to this wiki (images included) are pursuant to the Curse.com Terms of Service. Original contributors maintain personal copyright and their attribution is done through revision history in Media Wiki. Advertising in the form of watermarks is not appropriate. If they have something they wish to advertise, they have their entire userspace in which to do so. --   19:24, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Add math tags please!
$$a + b \over c + d \over e$$

As you can see, this is not working!

Math tags would be useful on the page about Item durability, where an equation is given.

Thanks, 20:58, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I second that. Math tags are helpful in many articles, as not all Minecrafters are afraid of Math :D


 * 17:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I found that error too. Why having it when it isn't even working? Suggestion is adding it or remove it completely.


 * 22:24, 17 February 2011 (GMT+1)

Use of Forced Preview?
How useful is the forced use of preview, anyway? If it's to cut down on the number of edits that contain errors, how effective is it really being? I mean, myself included, I think it's more of an annoyance to most users that they have to push the button one more time to get their changes through, instead of them actually checking for errors. Is it really needed, or is it just an annoyance? &mdash;
 * It was decided that it was to be used. So I would suggest you use it to check for errors as intended. --   00:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The main problem I had with it (while I was still affected) was it re-disabling the save page button if you used show changes even if you had already used show preview before. Personally I'd think show changes would be better at allowing you to check errors (in most cases) and that it and the show preview button should both enable the save page button. – ( at 01:05, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Either way, I find it to be a bit of a nuisance after checking my edit in the edit window to have to load the page again, and risk my (poor) connection timing out and losing the edit. &mdash;


 * Personally I find this feature annoying but at the same time really necessary. It's helped me catch out a few mistakes. Perhaps MediaWiki can be configured so preview-first can be disabled per-user in their preferences? -- 11:27, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * But then everyone would just disable it. – ( at 03:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


 * After trying to deal with the most recent wiki-attack in the quickest way possible, I have to agree that preview-first is not a good idea at all. -- 23:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * On the other hand, the vandal had to use preview-first too… An option only available to "old" users (X days or X contributions) to disable preview-first would be great. –  23:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I think we need a "Trusted editors" group. They should have special privileges like no preview, multiple upload (if normal members can't already), perhaps deletion ability, rollback, view unwatched pages. Just a few things that will making editing easier for them, while not actually making them admins. These members should be hand picked by bureaucrats and admins. – ( at 14:29, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Categories
One thing I'm quite passionate about is organization, so to help gather volunteers to categorize the wiki properly and discuss how we should do it. If anyone's interested or got any ideas, please visit the project! -- 15:50, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * This is a good idea. Keep in mind that simplicity have a major role in this. If you make it too complicated it will be an another soup. -- 22:28, 17 February 2011 (GMT+1)

Mod integration
I'm thinking pages with mods should link to mods. Basically, it would add a balloon, or a box, saying "the subject of this article has been modded by the community. For more information, please see ".

I'm thinking something like: The subject of this article has been modded by the community. For more information, please see ''' squashed it, so to make the talk page smaller. thoughts? also, please, excuse my colour selection. but blue is the best colour ever :\/ -- 16:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, because then we'd have to put templates on almost every single page. That, plus I don't like linking to third-party content on a page that covers first-party content.-- -  MCWiki Administrator  16:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * , modded content should stay off mainspace pages. However, for general pages like and  it wouldn't hurt to link to the Modspace equivilent ( and  respectively). But this should be done more discreetly than with a messagebox, perhaps a box on the side like the  one. -- 16:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * good idea! changing the thing now...
 * better?-- 16:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I dislike boxes. The end up cluttering pages and taking emphasis away from the content of the article. While we are allowing some limited documentation of third party mods, if anything these kinds of tie-ins should be nothing more than a section at the bottom of the article linking to the individual mods pages, like a "See also" section. The only Mods that have their own article (8 currently) are those that have gained wide acceptance and use in the general community, yet those mods could potentially affect the entire game, so what do you want Kizzy? to put a box (or boxes) on every single page? It's unnecessary and counter to our purpose. --   22:28, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I am openly accepting of a see-also section. however, it would only be on affected items. if it's a mod for all sounds, only on the sound page. for new mobs, on the mobs page etc. etc. not on every page.
 * then again, if it were on every page as a see-also option, would that really be counter-productive? it would allow more people to have fun with new game elements. sure, it does nothing to the wiki, but it allows the user to have a much more in-depth experience with the game. -- 12:55, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think there should be more mention of mods, notch keeps adding mods to the game, he seems to fully approve of them. 19:38, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Herobrine
I am asking this, purely as the portal has been new since the controversy has happened.

is still very much a personal part of Minecraft Lore. Many people use him every day on the internet, and he even has profiles on places, such as Know Your Meme, the Creepypasta Wiki, the TV tropes for herobrine and on hundreds of forums.

We are a community, dedicated to teaching others about Minecraft, no? Well, this is a very big part of the community, that has spread as virally as Minecraft itself has spread.

To not let this article go through into the mainspace would not only be a detriment to the wiki, but also to it's users and fanbase.

As said before, this has been a past issues. which was "voted on". Now, you can say it was unofficial, but it was a majority vote from the community, and I hate to be frank, but the only reason it did not pass was because of an admins disapproval of the subject involved. And I'm sorry, but that is not how communities should be run.

So, a revote. I of course vote -- 17:24, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree because even though Herobrine is fictional, it wouldn't hurt to have a page on him/it. -- 22:12, 11 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree because there should be a page explaining how it started, theories on what it was, connections to Notch, and stating that it is a hoax. 15:58, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


 * "Herobrine" is nothing more than a forced meme made up by a bunch of trolls, backed up by trolls, spread by trolls. Hell, your page even mentions that its made up by a troll. We might as well allow a crapload of other random pages of whatever you could think of if a page like this would be allowed on its own. There's nothing of it in Minecraft, and if you want it so much then just add it to that mod that adds a mob that looks a bit like that herobrine thing. Make the herobrine page a redirect to that mod for all I care. This wiki should only provide information that is legit, not a bunch of stories made up by a bunch of trolls.-- -  MCWiki Administrator  17:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Personally, I think Herobrine doesn't need its own article, much less a full, lengthy article. The most I would be supportive of would be a general Hoax/Hoaxes page with Herobrine redirecting to the relevant section on it. That section should be small and mostly just a reference to the appropriate forum threads. -- 18:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * @JonTheMon I would be supportive of that. But I feel the backstory needs preserving, so to keep a record of the information. Perhaps by using a new hide-able table as a spoiler?


 * @Quatroking well, I can't say I didn't expect such a response. However, the mod idea would merely burden users, as they want to know ABOUT herobrine, not a mod.
 * And trolls? No. They created a story for fun, Much like Slenderman's origins. Then, they decided to make it meta, again, much like Slenderman. There were no trolls involved really. It was a small play, and people are still clapping them off, asking for an encore.
 * Herobrine is a special case, different to the silly steve the slime, shawn the sheep etc. etc, as it wasn't a forced meme. not at all. that is like saying the simpsons are forced into our culture for being on TV. The reason I am so much in favour of it is due to the public acceptance. not the minor issues with it's virility.-- 19:04, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Shitty memes. Will this be a proper vote so we don't have to support the obviously right side? 20:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Herobrine has never existed and is just a bullshit page. The wiki should have it noted somewhere that Herobrine is fake, for people who don't know about him, but it shouldn't have an entire article about him. -- 15:44, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


 * First of all, voting on a wiki is just bad. Secondly, I think this issue has had all the air it deserves. Kizzy, you are welcome to keep the page in your userspace where it is now, however continuing to raise it as an "issue" after it's been discussed and decided on is bad form. Please do not do it again. --    20:01, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * woah woah woah, hold on a second. you said this was the RIGHT way to do it! to suddenly turn back and say it isn't, despite blatant "voting" going on on this entire page, it boggles the mind o_o
 * I only did this so to properly sort this out. I only did this because you guys said this pages intention was for others to share feedback.-- 21:40, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


 * All this talk about Herobrine is just overused. Talking about him more wont bring anything good but more annoying idiots everywhere. How about this, I vote disagree for now but if Notch EVER adds Herobrine into Minecraft, will this become and agreement. Until then, it is a stupid idea. Meme's should stay down and not come back up unless for a joke. If it is spread EVERYWHERE then every god damned newbie will know about it and ruin the fun for all the people that DO know about him. It is honestly fun to scare the crap out of the kiddies and displaying EVERYWHERE that Herobrine is false will only make the scaring shitty and not worth a continuous effort. I still agree to disagree. -- 22:49, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Issue With Spawning Items In Server???
I am having an issue spawning things with IDs. I don't know if I'm typing things in wrong or not. What I type is the following: /give IFreak 278 116 64 This being an example for spawning 64 Diamond Picks, is this the correct way of spawning something? I have my self listed as an op and it is a survival server. Can anyone give me a solution??

Thanks, IFreak.
 * Greetings, IFreak, welcome to the wiki! You're not exactly in the right place for asking for help about Minecraft, as this is the community page for the wiki itself. In answer to your problem however, it seems you're putting in both the decimal and hexadecimal ID of the item you want to spawn. You only need the decimal ID, which in this case is 278. So to spawn a diamond pickaxe, you'll need to type . I'm not sure if defining a quantity works for tools (ie. 64 for 64 picks) but it's worth a shot. Hope this helps! -- 01:14, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I'm new
what does this (UTC) mean? -- 12:46, 18 February 2011

PS: to make shure i don't do anything wrong i left it out -- 12:46, 18 February 2011
 * It is just the timezone (UTC = Coordinated Universal Time) so the time behind your signature becomes meaningful, because not everyone has the same time at any given moment. The time behind your signature does not necessarily match your local time (It's 13:57 here, my signature says 12:57). I'm in the UTC+1 timezone so if you add 1 hour on my "12:57" the time matches my local time "13:57". This is so every timestamp in the wiki is normalized and not dependent on how your own system clock is set. -- 12:57, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

ok thanks -- 12:46, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Idea about the tool line of the block's summary
Hello, I'm new to the Minecraft wiki. After browsing a couple of pages I have noticed that under a block's "summary" the tools line is occupied by a white icon of the most ideal tool to use. However I think it would be better to insert the icon of the least rare tool to use to break the block (i.e. hand for dirt, wooden pickaxe for smooth stone, iron pickaxe for diamond ore etc.) because I think it would be more useful. If this topic has already been considered, please forgive me. 15:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Idea about gamemodes
I have recently read the wiki rules (I am new so I thought to read the rules before doing something wrong), and I thought that although I support the rule of not making pages about "gamemodes" I would really appreciate to centralize the ideas in one page (e.g. Community Developed Gamemodes). And just have a table like the following (I used spleef and minejones (I gamemode I made up at the moment) for demonstration purposes).

I think it would be useful for the wiki for information about the community (e.g. getting informed at what gamemode a server is using) and at the same time it wouldn't be that invasive. It might be a good idea to put a (Is that right?) at the top of the page to avoid confusion. I would like to hear the opinion from others about this. 10:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Frankly I feel the rule about metagaming is rather silly, spleef is only an exception because it seems that Notch may have mentioned it once. I'd rather see a whole section all about metagaming and let the community prune the useless pages.  I have a slow work in progress on my userspace here:  .  Feel free to start editing pages there if you like, but no promises it would ever make it to the larger wiki.    -- 14:13, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I have just made the page I wanted to make . Jonnay, should I put a link in the metagaming page? 20:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * just add some of the content right into the meta-gaming page. Maybe not so much the table.  Like I said, go nuts, edit away.  -- 05:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

An Ode to the Minecraft wiki, Duck Sauce style
Just click here! 19:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Weird stuff going on (Beta 1.3)
Some weird things are happening in beta 1.3, some none-luminicent blocks suddenly make daylight in deep mines. Who seen this too, fill out the table below!

''To see which block it is, try removing all lit blocks. The light is smashed out as the 'glowing' block is destroyed.''  16:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

annoying greifer...need a solution
my server is having some issues wit ha sign bandit. we have someone that will come along and steal signs and/or replace them with his own, normally foul, signs. is there a mod, or plugin for bukkit that can track who puts what signs down? please this has been going on for months now and its starting to piss people off.