Talk:Herobrine/Archive 6

what happened
whoa what happened i,ve come to disscussion page to find nothing here is their some sort of glitch occouring. 92.18.238.227 13:13, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I archived it all and created a new page, after dealing with each issue on the previous talk page. --Kizzycocoa 13:14, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

can i be told the responses of herobrines existence confirmed by me because apparently its true. 92.18.238.227 17:30, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * he is not real. end of story. --Kizzycocoa 21:44, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Character information
HEROBRINE is notch's dead brother.
 * Reality makes this impossible. Therefore, I won't add this to the box. --Kizzycocoa 17:51, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

"Creepypasta"
May I suggest the first line read: " is the subject of a community-made creepypasta . "? That page gives a pretty straight-forward definition of creepypasta, as well as a link to the word it spun off from, copypasta. 22:52, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I am still unsure. should the wiki redirect to another site to explain a creepy pasta? I do not know if it'd be better to just explain it quickly here. --Kizzycocoa 21:44, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

NO PLEASE NO 99.123.62.136 00:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)Kabobawsome
 * I can understand the thought process of overdoing a simple definition with an external link. Also on that thought, was it intentional to have the and  tags link to wikipedia? Interesting observation as well, the more info tag doesn't even have a wikipedia page.   12:46, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Notch tweet
"Time for this again: herobrine isn't real, no idea when the update is, we can't change usernames, and my favorite pony is rainbow dash." --007a83 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 22:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't believe notch wrote that –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.218.173.110 (Talk) 03:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * Not believing it doesn't make it any less true. That is Notch's own status from his own verified Twitter account.  12:46, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Updates
On the second most recent update of minecraft at the end it says -Removed Herobrine. I think this should be in trivia or the bits about notch. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.43.105.210 (Talk) 16:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC). Please sign your posts with


 * Nah. It gave me a chuckle, but joke changes to updates should just stay on the version pages. No need to document them any further.  12:46, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm confused...
So wait, if 'He' isn't real, then why does 'He' have a page? Trigger hurt 21:52, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * He is a major community icon.
 * also, there's the spam. From the moment this page was approved, Herospam on the wiki and forums dropped dramatically (it was very dramatic. It all just, stopped).
 * People needed a place that's reliable for this information. This page was created for the community, and as a counter-spam offering. One that's been working for a long, long time now. --Kizzycocoa 22:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand it now, So the community did not want a site that was spammed with false info about herobrine but still info nonetheless. Well thank you for helping me figure that out. Ever since i knew there was a wiki for minecraft iv'e been going there for all my answers. Although it wasn't until somewhere around 1.2.5 nearing the update that i knew there was (fail on my part, i could have learned so much more in such little time). And since my dad took my pc away, i can't even PLAY minecraft because of chromebooks not having java, and even when using programs such as RNDR it still crashes saying 'Bad Pixel Format' and it really sucks because minecraft is my second favorite game, only beaten by the game "Half Life" and other counterparts of it. Trigger hurt 01:41, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

south park herobrine?
i had recently found out herobrine made a guest apperance on the comedy show south park not only did i see him all the way at the back of a poster with all the charecters on it i also found out there was a mc episode. the poster was legite. it was a circle blue t shirt dark skined guy with white glowing eyes this should be added to the trivia. 92.18.253.72 15:46, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no episode of South Park with Minecraft in it. What you saw was a 14 second fan-made short where Kenny is killed by a Creeper. As for this poster you found, go ahead and provide a screenshot or some other form of proof. Otherwise, no, it won't be added to the trivia.  17:18, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

i found the image on google images but i dont know how to get it pasted here also for some reason theres 2 slight changes to the poster the herobrine dude has yellow glowing eyes and the background is white not red but its definetly the right poster. note if i cant get the image up go to google images and type south park all charecters poster look behind the santa guy you should see a blue t shirt guy with yellow eyes. 92.18.252.112 10:14, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * a link shall suffice. I will take over from there, adding it to the page. --Kizzycocoa 10:15, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Uh, I searched for an image but the only thing I found was a devianart drawing. I guess it's just fan fiction.--Gil2455526 13:33, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought so. You should always research these things. it's best to be completely sceptical when hunting for sources relating to this subject. --Kizzycocoa 16:19, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

creator
in all respect i know you guys have a tuff time handling the page and all but out of wonder how much effort is being put in to find the creator and owner of herobrine you know the guy who first reported herobrine or a person like that even the owner of the herobrine account how much effort is being used to find the creator/creaters of herobrine. 92.18.238.80 13:58, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The wiki is still half-and-half on keeping this page. it's only due to the community it's up.
 * We do not know who owns the Herobrine account, and have no means of being able to do so. they must come forward.
 * The original image, we do not know an origin. but we do know Brocast hoaxed it big-time shortly afterwards, so they likely made it. --Kizzycocoa 17:22, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

the user herobrine hacks...
the player herobrine HACKS in multiplayer he used hacks to be in my skin it was so annoying
 * This is likely a admin, messing around with you. --Kizzycocoa 20:17, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If a such player joins your server, and it is bukkit, install the plugin command book and preform /whois herobrine and /whois herobrine 2. This should get you some information about the account, and you can compare the ip with any other admin. Pokechu22 18:09, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

LEGO Herobrine
So, I ordered my lego minecraft set, and it came in. But instead of having a Steve and a creeper, it had a Steve and another Steve... each of Wichita had completely white eyes!!!
 * Pictures please. --Kizzycocoa 23:07, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

How do i upload os to the site?btw it did come with a creeper, but it was the steve and normal extra part steve, the eyes were white.sorry bout the error.
 * in the left menu, under "toolbox", you may upload files. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 23:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Arrgh! Hey, my kid spilled iced tea on my laptop. I'm using the kindle. The picture was on there, and I never uploaded it anywhere. I guess you'll have to take my word, which you probably wont.Kuptrion says: Herobrine does NOT EXIST!!! 11:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * we can't, no. But keep a hold of the Lego pieces, and you can take a picture of them later on. Good luck with getting a new machine! --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 11:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * My set had 2 Steves as well, I think that there is a spare for back up reasons. I haven't yet checked if it is a Herobrine. Pokechu22 03:42, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Why the heck is there an isometric render of a character that isn't in minecraft?
Isometric blender3d renders are meant for Render* and Block* and such classes, not for a non-existing character which there is no render class for. --83.117.208.193 17:08, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * what are you talking about? Isometric renders are to render things we want to show. And on a page about Herobrine, we'd want to show what Herobrine looks like. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 19:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok I get your point, but I think an ingame sighting is more fitting. --83.117.208.193 13:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That would make the Herobrine spam much easier to believe, as it makes him look like he's in-game. Besides, even as a normal mob, it'd look horrible. If it looked better, we'd have already done it with creepers, pigs, and all other mobs that have 3D renders.
 * We at the wiki do not want any Herospam. Even I do not, yet argued for this page purely as the community wanted it immensely. As the saying goes, I don't agree with what you have to say, but will defend your right to say it.
 * unless its spam. Then you can take some time-out from the wiki :P --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 13:56, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Herobrine removed AGAIN
1.4.2, just came out, blah blah, Herobrine removed is at the bottom of the changelog, yeah, etc etc. Essentially DITTO LAST TIME. whizzer0 10:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, just to add, one of the images on the page shows the Minecraft Facebook cover page; I'd like to mention that the image was user made and isn't surprising that it contains Herobrine. This doesn't seem very clear on the page. whizzer0 10:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I think every time they deal with unexplainable bugs, ghost mobs, etc they put "herobrine removed" as a joke because they know the community thinks he is the cause of most of the stuff they fix.

1.4 Update
Herobrine has been removed from Version 1.4.2 again. Need to update the Changelog section. http://mcupdate.tumblr.com/post/34289020110/minecraft-1-4-2

184.170.90.111 18:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I wonder including Xbox update, how many times was Herobrine "Removed?" Jorgeturc 20:39, 25 October 2012 (UTC) Joregturc


 * You can't remove what is not there. The "Herobrine removed" line in several changelogs for Minecraft is Mojang's running joke.  20:41, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Notch's brother
Notch seems to actually have a brother. Here is proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lzQkfHLzTs&feature=plcp (I was watching videos on 0x10c and I found this.  I am not saying Herobrine is real, but this may be worth mentioning in the article. Pokechu22 17:50, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Proof of what? A blank gray room? If you're talking about the username, anyone can make a username.  18:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It is somewhat random. It just felt like it might be important, but it probably is not.  There are some other videos on the channel that may be valid, but I'm not sure if it is important or not.  Pokechu22 19:04, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Fake. not adding. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 15:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Somewhat unrelated, but what about this? I cannot tell if it is just a fan base or what.Pokechu22 00:41, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I see the pronunciation link is broken. I suggest either someone fixes it or adds "pronounced /'heɾobɾɪn/ or /hiɾobɾaɪ̯n/", the [IPA] pronunciations for the name. Gondor2222 00:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Herobrine in Multiplayer
Herobrine exists in multiplayer? Wrong. There are three possibilities.

• The owner installed the herobrine mod. Probably he is joking. • If its a cracked server, users can login as server admin, add "Herobrine" to the OP-List and login as Herobrine. Thats normally the case if someone called notch comes and destructs your server. • Or the Herobrine-user is online. I havent seen him ever online, but I heard that he enters random servers. He just bought minecraft with username herobrine. In all cases, herobrine looks like herobrine. Probably a mod wants to add this to the page.

Sorry for not signing my post - NaNdummy

Another one i used to play around with my friends with is Mob Disguise, since you can disguise as a player, i just disguise as Herobrine and scare the s*** out of everyone on the server (and once my friend gets an account i will scare the s*** outta them too >:D). Mob Disguise is a Popular CraftBukkit server plugin, although currently out of date, it works for 1.2.5 as well as 1.2.4 as it says. Trigger hurt 11:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC) herobrine is real make sure to tell notch that

I think that 80% of herobrine sightings in multiplayer are bored admins using mob discuise, world edit, and other programs to troll people. I guess it's ok if they dont destroy anything. There are many videos on youtube of people doing that. It's halarious. 74.65.15.40 21:20, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Spelling/Grammar
Origins and popularity 'specialised' should be specialized (second to last paragraph).

Pronunciation 'swedish' should be Swedish (last word in that section).

What Herobrine is 'explaination' should be explanation (in Community).

Movement There are two 'brocast's that should be Brocast. The sentence 'This is likely due to him being seen moreso as a virus/creepy entity in Minecraft, rather than a ghost' should read 'This is likely due to him being viewed as a virus/creepy entity in Minecraft rather than just a ghost'.

Interaction within Minecraft Another brocast (Canonical, second paragraph).

Variations 'interpritation' should be interpretation (first line).

Future update 'fuelling' should be fueling (after second Twitter response).

Cameos 'facebook' should be Facebook (summer picnic photo caption). 'mematic' should be memetic (in Changelogs).

Also, all the Twitter links aren't using the IW links, and on the subject of links, the only YouTube link can be cleaned up by taking the gl=BE& out of it and the forum link at the end can be cleaned up to http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/27362-. Those last two can be ignored, since clean links is just an OCD thing for me. I'm honestly on the edge of either searching the whole wiki for messy links or researching how to make a wikibot and the guidelines involved with operating one here.

Oh, and one more thing (just to make this talk section longer), also related to links, could I get an answer to this? 22:50, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: Specialised is British word, so no mistake's in here. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by 120.88.239.146 (Talk) 09:24, 4 November 2012 (UTC). Please sign your posts with
 * Note: This wiki uses American English, so that is a mistake.  15:36, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


 * There also is the section on changelogs, where the 1.4 update data is missing a period between "the community" and "Only", as well as the data for the updates until 1.8 being inaccurate/inconsistent with this page. Pokechu22 00:59, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Spelling mistake? Xbox Changelogs

In the July Xbox update, Herobrine was removed from the Xbox version of Minecraft for the first time. It is very likely that developers behind the Xbox version will continue this ling-running inside joke.

Is it supposed to be long-running? Not ling-running. 115.42.204.254 03:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I shall go through this list later today. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 08:17, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion
I can't edit the page, but there is one thing missing. In the Xbox skindex, there is a Zombie version of Herobrine. That should be added to the wiki. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Doctorseaweed (Talk&#124;Contribs) 17:45, 4 November 2012 (UTC). Please sign your posts with Sorry. But can you add Zombie Herobrine?174.52.101.63 02:41, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

It's part of a skin pack. Oh big deal.Noobnathan 18:52, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * You do realize that the skin packs are made by Mojang, and not by anyone, right? Pokechu22 00:50, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

All you guys have to say is there is a Herobrine skin and Zombie Herobrine skin. No big deal. Doctorseaweed 05:41, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Zombie HIM looks nothing like the regular HIM, just like how some "Steves" in xbox mc. 00:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

"Near inspired by Slenderman?"
That phrase does not sound true, actually. Herobrine led to the Enderman, then it provoked another creepy italian food of some kind known as the "Slenderman." 173.206.36.175 03:02, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

That is incorrect. Slenderman has been around long before minecraft and became popular after notch added the enderman which was inspired by slenderman -Zevit

Italian wiki
Please add the link to the Italian Wiki (The name is the same)

herobrine on server
i met him on a server he was a nice guy he was dutch and probbaly a child he had a herobrine skin and if someone typed ahh herobrine he told he wasnt really herobrine

So..... Why'd do you need to tell us this exactly? Cause' that dude is DEFINITELY not Herobrine XD. Jorgeturc 22:33, 14 November 2012 (UTC)Jorgeturc

>>Herobrine documentation video<<
As I have put, we need a Documentation video on Herobrine. Ideally, as close to the Curse versions of guides as possible. It cannot be trolling, visually or through voiceover. It must emphasise, particularly at the start and end, that Herobrine is not, and will not be, in Minecraft. Not all content on the page needs to be elaborated on. I shall allow a short excerpt at the end or start to advertise your channel, be it linking to other videos, or a short animation you use universally for your videos. I cannot allow advertising of fan communities or servers, as the rules forbid this. The creator should be clear in his description of Herobrine. Any takers? --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 12:18, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I would, but i do not have a youtube account unfortunately. #trigger_hurt(I 12:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

i have an account ill make 1
 * while this would be good, I feel unnerved by the lack of grammar/spelling displayed, which could be an indicator of the final version not being to par with the current quality of Curse guides. :S --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 10:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, I could make one, I just could not upload it to Youtube. I could use a file hosting site, such as Free File Hosting(usually I would use MediaFire, but I would need an account and I quite honestly do not want to pay to use it) and give you a link to the video, although I feel I would need some sort of guidelines to follow; Like a small list of things that need to be covered. I can use Bandicam to directly record my desktop, and Windows Movie Maker. My PC's monitor is a 1600x900 High-Definition Hewlett Packard 2010, if that matters. I do have something called 'Source FilmMaker', it is some software by VALVE which lets you create scenes and animations on a preloaded map. I can use Minecraft model packs and change the skins around to use the Herobrine skin along with the default skin. #trigger_hurt(I 12:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I was talking to the other poster, but with regards to your proposal, using Source is somewhat unnecessary. the max we would need would be some Minecraft usage, images from this page, and other various sources. But, if you are able to do so, feel free to take a crack at it. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 14:09, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I am aware that you were talking to the other poster, that is why I gave the suggestion. You are correct, using the Source FilmMaker is not necessary. As far as a reply goes, I'm terrible with Source FilmMaker anyway. I just got it last weekend, thinking it would be fun to mess around with. What I didn't realize is that it is so much more complicated than using Garry's Mod. I'll see what I can do, if I don't get to it over the weekend I'll have plenty of time over Thanksgiving break. Once I manage to finish it I'll post the download link for the video here and see what you think, since I will probably need to improve upon it. <font color= "Red">#trigger_hurt (I 14:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure thing! though, while not wishing to sound condescending, I want to reiterate that the quality wanted is on the medium-high side. I am completely unaware of your video editing skills, but on an off chance that you make something, and it is horrific, I'd rather not have wasted your time with a project that has a fairly high level of quality wanted.


 * Again, to reiterate, I am only saying this so, if you are unsure of your skills, you can use the time on more productive endeavors. I am in no way am trying to make out you're terrible at video editing, as I do not know this. I just feel it's better to be more forthright from the start, so a potential awkward situation later on, in which someone spent lots of time on something low quality, and you need to tell them it was all a waste, does not happen.


 * I should have put this in the original comment, thinking about it. but as it's a reply, I'll leave it here for others to also notice. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 15:22, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to worry my friend, I have made several videos before, and they didn't look half bad when you take it into consideration that I was about 10 and my PC was an old Dell laptop at the time. From what I can remember, my PC has, like I said, a 1600x900 High-Definition Hewlett Packard 2010 Monitor; a Ge-Force Video card (I can't remember what type it is, but I can say Far Cry 2 at full graphics doesn't lag one bit); MSI Motherboard; 2 2GB RAM sticks; approximately 380-400 GB total storage, but only about about 50GB readily available; Quad-Core Processor; NVidia Video card drivers; Black Alienware Case with blue LED lights, for decoration of course; 5-Channel speaker system, with capability to support 7-channel. The only really bothersome issue with it is that the front microphone and headphone jacks do not work, while the Universal Serial Bus ports in the front run very smoothly. By the way, the video should be in AVI format, right? <font color= "Red">#trigger_hurt (I 16:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent! that will do perfectly. as for getting it on the wiki, I will ofc need it submitted to Youtube. I shall see if Wyn can upload it, otherwise, I can do so myself. I shall ensure you will have full credit for the video's creation.
 * File format isn't really an issue. the only issue I have is quality, and a neutral viewpoint, stating cold hard fact, but no speculation. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 15:13, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I can assure you I don't believe Herobrine exists, and I don't speculate over something I already know. I'll see what I can do tonight. Should it not be finished by the end of Thanksgiving break, I'll let you know why. Most likely, it would probably be taking road trips or going to work on the various rental houses we own. Hopefully it's not too big for Free File Hosting to handle. No matter what it takes I'll figure out some way to get it to you. Should I post a link on your talk page for it when it's finished? Anyway, Glad to help out. <font color= "Red">#trigger_hurt (I 12:43, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * don't rush it! Try to take as much time as needed for the best quality possible!
 * Feel free to get it to me any which way. Dropbox, email, ModDB or even a torrent. Whichever works for you, can work for me. Thanks again for helping us here!! --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 00:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah piss, someone got me sick. Well until this passes over I'm afraid I won't be able to keep working on the video, and not because of needing to lay in bed or something, but my voice and the constant cough. Can anyone else do the video at least until this passes? I didn't get really far anyways since I keep having too many things to do, and with the constant need to go over to our properties to make them homes instead of foreclosures, I really don't get much time to do anything. It's too bad really. <font color= "Red">#trigger_hurt (I 12:45, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that every single video i try to take of in game footage goes corrupt. It's kind of a weird thing; the video is fine but the audio slows down quite a bit. This hasn't been an issue before recently... <font color= "Red">#trigger_hurt (I 12:50, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Stupid iPad made me roll this back! I don't suppose you can share the voice at least, so I can see just what it'll be like? I'm looking for a good quality audio for it, so I'd like to see if its good to stick to you after sick, or elsewhere. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 13:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * So you want me to give you a bit of the audio I recorded to see about how the voice sounded? I'll see what I can do. <font color= "Red">#trigger_hurt (I 13:53, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Purchaced
The user herobrine DID purchase Minecraft. This link shows so. Pokechu22 03:48, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a pretty unique site you found. At the least I know it's not a hoax, since it showed that I registered. But unfortunately that only means that Herobrine could actually join a multiplayer server, but it leads to no proof that he has any powers at all. Might i suggest changing the title of this section to "Purchased"? Just a minor misspelling. <font color= "Red">#trigger_hurt (I 12:29, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * We too have investigated and know this. Herobrine's skin is present, and as skin changing is for registered users only, it only stands to reason that he had bought the game.
 * The trivia states this already. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 15:15, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Herobrine or Lag?
OMG! I was just playing a single player game but something hit me but I thought it was a lag, the thing is i saw a player arm and then i crashed lag?
 * I do not understand. You have lag, so it OBVIOUSLY must be a myth that has NEVER existed in-game? --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 14:09, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

The accounts skin?
Has anybody ever checked the Herobrine accounts skin using one of the developer URLs? --Nathan2055 19:26, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Only for the main skin. tried now, and gained no new info. --<font color="blue" style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 8px #00FF00;"><font color="Black">Kizzycocoa 19:34, 25 November 2012 (UTC)