Minecraft Wiki talk:Directors

Introductions
Hi all! Welcome to the Directors' page. Feel free to introduce yourselves. If you would like your signatures to point to your user/talk pages on your own wikis, you need to add the language interwiki link to your signature in preferences here. example Wynthyst talk

For those of you who don't know, I'm the Curse.com wiki manager overseeing Minecraft Wiki International. If you have any technical problems, or needs that Curse can assist you with, I'm the one to talk to! -- Wynthyst  talk  20:15, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

icons for notice templates
Hey guys, what you think about icons for some of the notice templates. Like we have it in the german wiki http://de.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Vorlage:Future Greets --The Miner -  Wiki Admin  19:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * We already have Template:Msgbox which can use any image at any size, and the use the Template:Comment icon sheet. – ultradude25 ( T at 21:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The better. The yellow boxes (Stub, Future, Outdate,...) are pretty ugly :). Greets --The Miner -  Wiki Admin  21:51, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I actually like the German one better :P -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  21:50, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The yellow boxes are only the default value. The english version is adjustable with CSS and the "mini" version. (and personally I don't like the two cells german version ^_^")  – Scaler (t) 22:10, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't really like the default color that much, but that's what was used originally before the template was created and before I was even here, so I've just stuck with it. It actually functions similar to your version in that is uses two cells, but personally I don't like having a visible divider so the border is hidden to make it look like one cell. There's also the plenty of customization that scaler mentioned. – ultradude25 ( T at 22:55, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Just because they are the default ones i want it to respond to change :). Greets --The Miner -  Wiki Admin  19:13, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Animated Grid/Crafting Table
''This is a copy from User_talk:Wynthyst. I think this is a better place for it...''

On the Dutch wiki I made a template (link) that might be useful here too. It produces a slide-show of crafting grids (or other grids). For now this is done with animated gifs, but it would be far more easy to make and to edit them if you are able to use the Template:Grid/Crafting Table.

Documentation for the template is in Dutch, but it says almost the same I did. You can take a look at the sample code and decide if you like it or not. If is, this is the JavaScript you need to get it working: jQuery(function{jQuery(".GridSlide").each(function{jQuery("div.GridSlideChild:first",this).addClass("active").show});setInterval(function{jQuery(".GridSlide").each(function{var b=jQuery("div.active",this),a=b.next;a.length<1&&(a=jQuery("div.GridSlideChild:first",this));b.removeClass("active").hide;a.addClass("active").show})},2E3)}); And the CSS: .GridSlideChild{display: none;} --STS(t 09:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The original purpose of the grid is to be completely modular (One image can be used for any input/output/etc. on any grid template, with any number next to it), and being able to animate the images without having to make special ones would complete it.
 * However, I would much prefer it to be a function actually in the template. (animate=1?) – ultradude25 ( T at 09:55, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Get it working on the Dutch wiki. Then propose it to all the languages.... I would really like to see all the subdomains using the same stuff.. I know.. difficult but.. we have to start really communicating with the other communities. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  16:51, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Its not a easy task to implement this into the Template:Grid/Crafting Table, the grid template is realy complicated, but I'll give it a try. I'll keep you all posted... --STS(t 17:20, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Work with ultradude25 if you have problems, he is the creator of the crafting table template. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  17:21, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I've been thinking about how to do this, but for now on the answer is: imposible. I got no acces to any loop function. I found some here and here that should work, but don't. So I think they aren't installed. Is it posible to see if they are installed and if they aren't may install them?--STS(t 17:48, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Which of the two would you prefer. You can see what extensions are installed by going to Special:Version. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:14, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I would prefer this one.--STS(t 19:22, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, it's getting installed on the Dutch wiki. Should be available shortly. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll place the new template on nl:Sjabloon:Grid/Crafting_Table_New.


 * @Wyn, well I'm not the creator, it's just rather modified from the original version made by User:H3llkn0wz. (I think) – ultradude25 ( T at 03:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, you know best about how it works :P -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:12, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Kinda, I'm not sure I understand the animated bit yet... >.< – ultradude25 ( T at 03:16, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, work with STS and see if the new script can be incorporated... I was hoping that the new extension would get installed today but it doesn't seem to have happened. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  03:24, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll try, but javascript it rather beyond me. – ultradude25 ( T at 07:31, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I made some edits that should work, but (like you see here) I still can't reach the for loop. Also it's not added to the Dutch version page. Do you know for sure it's installed?
 * For now I only edited the A1 crafting square and it acts exactly like I hoped, so I've good hope it will work.--STS(t 12:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I got it working!! Its noet perfect jet, for example numbers will fail if you try to animate them, but it's a start. Take a look at nl:Sjabloon:Grid/Crafting_Table_New to see the current prosses.--STS(t 14:40, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Is it possible to control the speed of the animation? [[Image:User_Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]elix Omni 15:36, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Speed is controled inside the JavaScript. At the and of de javascript you see "2E3", witch means he switches the image every 2*103 (=2000) miliseconds. If you want a higher or lower speed you can just change that number. Please make a test page yourself and try some dirrent number of secconds. Whe nnyou got the speed you want you can post it here so I can eddit the JavaScript
 * Or better yet, you can post it on the template's talk page so I don't have to see it :P -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  17:47, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry for spamming your talk page again :P. I got the template fully working now. I can upload the wikisource to the English wiki, but some admin here has to upload the JavaScript and CSS...


 * JavaScript source:

jQuery(function{jQuery("div.grid-input-slide").each(function{jQuery("span.grid-input:first",this).addClass("active").show});jQuery("div.grid-output-slide").each(function{jQuery("span.grid-output:first",this).addClass("active").show;jQuery("span.grid-output-numbers:first",this).addClass("active").show});setInterval(function{jQuery("div.grid-input-slide").each(function{var b=jQuery("span.active",this),a=b.next;a.length<1&&(a=jQuery("span.grid-input:first",this));b.removeClass("active").hide; a.addClass("active").show});jQuery("div.grid-output-slide").each(function{var b=jQuery("span.grid-output.active",this),a=b.next;if(a.length<1||!a.hasClass("grid-output"))a=jQuery("span.grid-output:first",this);b.removeClass("active").hide;a.addClass("active").show;b=jQuery("span.grid-output-numbers.active",this);a=b.next;a.length<1&&(a=jQuery("span.grid-output-numbers:first",this));b.removeClass("active").hide;a.addClass("active").show})},2E3)});


 * CSS source:

div.grid-input-slide > span.grid-input,div.grid-output-slide > span.grid-output,div.grid-output-slide > span.grid-output-numbers { display:none }
 * STS(t 18:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Uploaded all the sources, but it's not working until the JavaScript and CSS are uploaded too...--STS(t 20:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

same pictures?
Is it possible to use at all wikis the same pictures? Because I think it's very useless to have everything six times. In wikipedia that works too. -- Oliver Scholz -  German Wiki Admin  07:30, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The English, German, and Dutch wikis share databases. The French, Polish and Russian are separate wikis. This can not be changed. There are issues however in regards to sharing the databases, as we experienced when the English wiki revised the Crafting table template and all the old images were deleted. The deletion was based on the fact those images appeared on the English wiki as Unused files after the template was changed. There is no way for admins on the English wiki to know if images are being used on the German or Dutch wiki. That is one reason this page was created, so that changes that potentially affect multiple wikis are taking place can be discussed. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  08:11, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * But this I don't understand: I have to upload two files (in german and english), but it can delete it with one click? Is it possible to embed english images in the German/Dutch wiki without a second upload? -- Oliver Scholz -  German Wiki Admin  12:19, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as I know if you use the English name of an image that's already here it will appear on the German wiki. This was how it was configured when Curse acquired it, because that's how it was set up by aera and WedTM when the German wiki was added. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  17:25, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No, unfortunately not. You have to upload all the pictures again. That's why I was wondering a few days ago. (your flame was also unavailable.) -- Oliver Scholz -  German Wiki Admin  17:49, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I know that when the Dutch and German wikis were set up, they shared images. To be quite honest, I am not sure how it all works. Again, that whole config was done before Curse acquired the wikis. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:20, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Categorization
Hey, whats the reason that you have done almost all notice-templates in different categories? Like Outdatet is child of main and Future is child of minecraft. Greets --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  19:17, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * We haven't gotten that far on the Minecraft Wiki:Projects/Categorization. They will all be put into the Category:Notice templates by the time it's all done. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  21:19, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. Greets --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  21:34, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Minecraft 1.4 is out
Minecraft Beta 1.4


 * Added tameable wolves
 * Added cookies
 * Sleeping in a bed now resets your spawn position
 * New Minecraft logo
 * Holding shift while climbing will hang on to the ladder
 * Spiders will no longer trample crops
 * Lots and lots of infrastructure for Statistics lists and Achievements

While most of the code is written, statistics and achievements won’t show up until the next update. We didn’t quite have time to finish them this week, and didn’t want to delay the update longer.

changelog -- Oliver Scholz -  German Wiki Admin  16:22, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

unconfirmed new item
Hey, someone knows something more about the new "secret" item? http://de.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Hauptseite. Greets --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  12:05, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Completely fake. Delete it. – ultradude25 ( T at 12:56, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice date... :) -- Oliver Scholz -  German Wiki Admin  13:04, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thats crap. Wanna fight with Crepper :( Cheers --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  16:23, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's April Fool's Day guys... -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  18:27, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, we know (it is from The Miner and me), but Ultradude25 has bought it. :D -- Oliver Scholz -  German Wiki Admin  10:51, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Skin
We've got a lovely editwar going on in the page about http://www.minecraftskinner.com being a rip-off site. I have no information about this site, does anyone know? – ultradude25 ( T at 23:05, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No sry. I test some skins and the result was exactly the same. Same Title, same author, same descrpition. WhoIs said "Creation Date: 23-mar-2011", so its possible that this is only a rip off site. Cheers --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  02:04, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. – ultradude25 ( T at 03:16, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Question
Hi admins and other readers. We (The Miner and myself) have noticed that we are the only active admins and bureaucrats in the german Wiki. Our German "father" Cba is never on and he don't answer any questions. Is it possible that we are bureaucrats, too? What we need to do to achieve it? Greetings -- Oliver Scholz -  de.Wiki Admin  15:09, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * guys? --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  19:48, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Use of Minepedia
The owners of http://www.minepedia.net have filed a complaint over our use of the term Minepedia. Yes, we used it first, but they bought the domain. For this reason, the logo and sidebar has been changed to reflect the rebranding of this site as the Minecraft Wiki. Please discuss with me any changes before implementing them. Thanks! -- Wynthyst  talk  17:01, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This is totally stupid of minepedia.net, but ok. -- Oliver Scholz -  de.Wiki Admin  17:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, what I said... "Minepedia Polska", it's cool name :P Now, we (unfortunately) must rebranding to "Minecraft Wiki", it's small shock [= What minepedia.net owners have to say? They stole the name! I don't know the English/American law, but we have won in court, right? Well... I going to change lot of page...  Lewandowski PL ( T / D #  C / W )  17:59, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * How stupid. Did they say why they do not wanna cooperate with this wiki? --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  18:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's all about numbers. We are beating them and they don't like it. They don't want to cooperate, because they are our competition. That's kind of how it works on the internet. We will continue to beat them regardless of the name because we have the higher quality site. We need to just focus on keeping it that way. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:16, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm glad this was resolved, the inconsistency was getting to me. – ultradude25 ( T at 00:21, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Well. Already clear. However, it would be clever if they did not make such a riot, because there wiki is quite poor of content. Cheers --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  02:00, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Questions
I would like to know, when the UsabilityInitiative extension will be installed in the Russian section? We are the only section where it is not installed. Also I would like to know why the script for animated crafting grid which based on the jquery library is not working in the Russian section. Thanks. HEKP0H -  ru.Wiki Admin  19:33, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I will see about getting the extension installed for you. As for the crafting grid js, there appears to be issues with it on the non English wikis. We are looking into that as well, and hope to have it resolved soon. For now, just use the animated gifs. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  19:36, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The js animated crafting grid works fine on fr: (fr:Artisanat). If you need help you can contact me on my talk page. – Scaler (t) 20:34, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I been thinking about this, but I don't see any problem. It should just all work fine. I made an optimized version of the template (not uploaded to the English wiki jet, because it will no more support animated gif's). Maybe that will work? Templates can be found at: nl:Sjabloon:Grid/Crafting Table, nl:Sjabloon:Grid/Crafting Square Slide and nl:Sjabloon:Grid/Crafting Square Numbers.--STS(t 19:59, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comparison of the scripts with French, Dutch and English sections showed that the problem with jquery connect with absence of the UsabilityInitiative extension. Thank you for your willingness to help. HEKP0H -  ru.Wiki Admin  23:30, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

File:Wiki.png
Is it true that the file is not protected and everyone can upload a new version? That would be pretty stupid. -- Oliver Scholz -  de.Wiki Admin  20:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL! woops! I was in a hurry :P so shoot me. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  20:30, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, please give me a gun. You are my boss. ;) -- Oliver Scholz -  de.Wiki Admin  20:35, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL! Not your boss, your advisor :P -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  22:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Admins and Bureaucrats on PL
Hi! I think it would be better if I'm in the administrators section, not bureaucrats. That same for xblockmove.  Lewandowski PL ( T / D #  C / W )  22:06, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Then I can make you and admin and not a bcrat, that's fine. Otherwise, these lists need to properly and correctly reflect the status of users based on the publicly available usergroups. Bureaucrats technically are above Admins since Bcrats have the one vital ability to change a user's status. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  22:55, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * :/ I don't read all user rights, ok, no change. Now is fine :]  Lewandowski PL ( T / D #  C / W )  00:37, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

template:item
I'm a little bit angry, Ultradude25. -.- I thought this page is for talking about big page changes. I spent today two hours to restore all german item pages, because Ultradude25 has changed the template item and someone has deleted the pictures! Includet the german pictures. Thats a big, but known bug. Thank you for that. Next time say something before you chance everything please. -- Oliver Scholz -  de.Wiki Admin  17:58, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Wyn, you said that the only solution is to "restart" the german wiki. Whats the exactly problem if you do this? Can you not backup the articles and import them to the new one? Maybe we must reupload all images but thats not the biggest problem, because in this state we must reupload all images once a mounth. Greets --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  19:52, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry! I actually moved the images to more appropriate file names, and then half way through remembered, oh bugger this will probably affect the German wiki, so I went over there and tried changing the file names to the new one, but it didn't work. And I didn't really have time to start uploading the files, nor have I got AWB set up for other languages yet.


 * From now on, all image moves and deletions will be done separately from everything else (instead of as a side job while I was changing the templates) so that I actually have time to fix the images on the other languages. – ultradude25 ( T at 23:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Rebranding
Old Minepedia Polska have big problems. First - site name (simple edit localsettings file :). Must be changed. Second - namespace. Anyone can auto change this? Example with a bot? Or how I can change this alone with AutoWikiBrowser? Namespace "Minepedia Polska" should be renamed to "Minecraft Wiki" or "Minecraft Wiki Polska". And possibly from "Minepedia" to "Minecraft Wiki Polska". Thank you in advance :)  Lewandowski PL ( T / D #  C / W )  19:17, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png ]] talk  23:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks :D Lewandowski  pl.Wiki Admin   talk  06:33, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

german unused files
In the German Wiki, we also have many unused files. Many are deleted in the English wiki and now broken. Can I delete the pictures without problems?. -- Oliver Scholz -  de.Wiki Admin  17:00, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

link exchange partners
Hi, I received this message on my mail (administracja@minepedia.pl):
 * ''Hallo,
 * mein Name ist Jane Halford und ich bin die Administratorin von www [d|ot] cn-seafood [do|t] com
 * Momentan bin ich auf der Suche nach Partnern für Linktauschpartnern. Dabei kam ich auf Ihre Seite pl.minecraftwiki.net. pl.minecraftwiki.net scheint mir für einen Linktausch geeignet. Ein Linktausch kann Ihrer Seite nützen. Vielleicht haben Sie daran Interesse. Neben www [d|ot] cn-seafood [do|t] com habe ich noch weitere gute Seiten, von denen ich Ihre Seite verlinken könnte.
 * Mit Vorfreude erwarte ich Ihre Antwort.
 * Jane Halford jane [a|t] cn-seafood [do|t] com  www [d|ot] cn-seafood [do|t] com''
 * Mit Vorfreude erwarte ich Ihre Antwort.
 * Jane Halford jane [a|t] cn-seafood [do|t] com  www [d|ot] cn-seafood [do|t] com''
 * Jane Halford jane [a|t] cn-seafood [do|t] com  www [d|ot] cn-seafood [do|t] com''
 * Jane Halford jane [a|t] cn-seafood [do|t] com  www [d|ot] cn-seafood [do|t] com''

(I changed links above) What do you think about it? IMO - no way [= Lewandowski  pl.Wiki Admin   talk  13:14, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Is she for real? Lol no. Seafood has nothing to do with Minecraft.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  12:45, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I also think so Quatroking. The german is perfect, but it's sounds like a spam message. Should I write to them? -- Oliver Scholz -  de.Wiki Admin  13:08, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

multidelete unused files
Hi, it is possible to delete a couple of unsued file in one process like upload multiple files? Cheers --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  12:11, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No one? --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  20:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Seecret Friday or Secret Friday
Hey guys. Why is it called seecret and not secret Update? What is the meaning of the word? --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  20:17, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It's just Notch's way of writing secret… ^^" – Scaler (t) 22:06, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thx. --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin  21:49, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki links
I think we should work on the interwiki links.

For this I want to use my pywikipedia bot to add or fix interwiki links (initially for -wiki, but I can do it for all wikis if respective directors agreed to it) but there is issues with -wiki keeping the bot to operate on other wikis and -wiki keeping the bot to edit a page on ru-wiki : Unknown Error. API Error code:missingtitle Information:The article you tried to edit doesn't exist
 * the error with the pl-wiki comes from a special character (BOM and Chacter Issues on mediawiki.org) on the api.php or an other edited config file. It is an useless character added by crappy text editors like windows notepad when the file is save in utf8 encoding. You can see it on the api of the pl:-wiki by changing encoding to iso: it shows the "ï»¿" BOM characters at the beginning of the file. The only way to fix it, is to open the file with a good text editor (notepadd++ for example) and without editing the file to save it in utf8-without-bom encoding.
 * the error with the ru-wiki is:
 * but the cause is unidentified.

It would be nice if the Curse staff could do something about this. – Scaler (t) 11:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki images
I'm wondering if it's possible to get an extension that lists image links from other languages in the "what links here" section (for the languages that are sharing a database)? So that I'm able to move and delete images without breaking everything... – ultradude25 ( T at 12:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

CraftingGrid Slide Problem
Hey guys. There is an problem if i want to use the GridSlide. When i use two "empty" stacks it wont works. Problem can see here User:The_Miner/GridSlide. How can i fix this, or it is possible to change the template? cheers -- The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin ( Disk ) 14:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You're not supposed to put in "empty", you just have to leave the field blank.--Quatroking -  MCWiki Administrator  15:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * We have already found a way. The ,, must written at beginning. -- 15:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This option wont work. And always write double spaces at beginning its not the best way in my oppinion. --The Miner -  de.Wiki Admin ( Disk ) 15:57, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with the first example (without "empty"), it's working fine… – Scaler (t) 16:41, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Watch the Hoe and after that the Pickaxe :). -  de.Wiki Admin ( Disk ) 19:38, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks fine... – ultradude25 ( T at 03:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The Miner is right, this is desynchronized after a cycle. – Scaler (t) 07:42, 29 April 2011 (UTC)