Talk:Wet Sponge

Merge with Sponge
I think this should be merged with Sponge. Yetanotherguy 16:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * . They are two different blocks, with different properties. The wet sponge cannot be used for sucking up water, and the dry sponge cannot be smelted. —F‌enhl 16:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree. If all these Dirt variations and Stone Brick variations and such are grouped in the same Dirt and Stone Brick article, this should definitely be with its dry sponge counterpart. It doesn't seem like a separate material, so much as a separate state of the same material with a different block name. – Sealbudsman (Aaron) (talk) – 16:41, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Merging these related articles into one creates a lot of problems, for example with the readability of the obtaining and usage sections. If you lump the two together, you have a block that can be smelted into itself. This is already a problem on pages like Stone Brick, please don't introduce more of the same. —F‌enhl 16:45, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah. I wasn't aware it caused a lot of problems. I see that in the case of Cracked Stone Brick, it just links to a redirect. Is that the problem you mean? – Sealbudsman (Aaron) (talk) – 16:51, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * That is one problem, yes. It also makes these sections either less readable, because things are listed twice, or less usable from a template perspective (for example the crafting usage template that automatically generates an article's as a crafting ingredient section from other articles' crafting sections). —F‌enhl 17:20, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * because I think Fenhl makes a good point (above) about templates. Though I'm not familiar with the templates he references, I defer to his experience with them.  I'm also generally sympathetic to architecting things that support good template use.  And I actually have been historically skeptical of they way Dirts and Stone Bricks etc are grouped onto the same page. – Sealbudsman (Aaron) (talk) – 17:54, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I understand at which point you would have us stop splitting pages then, does white wool deserve a page separate from other kinds of wool because otherwise wool can be crafted into itself? What about the many kinds of sign? Flower and Door types seem much more distinct from each-other than the two kinds of sponges. In the case of sponges I see it much more like On-State redstone lamps, except that both states are obtainable. Cultist O (talk) 05:22, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The different types of wool can be crafted into each other, but all in the same manner. As with other items that can be dyed, they follow a clear pattern. This is simply not the case for sponge and wet sponge. I agree that the doors and flowers should be split into separate pages, since they are obtained differently and behave differently, but things like signs don't need separate articles because the block isn't obtainable anyway, and there's only one kind of sign item. —F‌enhl 05:33, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Alright, it's clear that this is a broader discussion than just these few pages, I think we need to tackle it from a wiki-wide perspective, we need to decide where we draw the line, and stick to it, splitting or merging pages which fall on the wrong side of said line. Where would we take such a discussion? Cultist O (talk) 20:05, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The only use of wet sponge is to be smelted into sponge, and the current only way to obtain sponge is to smelt wet sponge. Also, they share the same data value/name ID. --KnightMiner  (t 21:33, 30 June 2014 (UTC)