Minecraft Wiki talk:Projects/BGR

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Beginner's Guide Cleanup Clump 1
I began cleanup on the Beginner's Guide by cleaning up the introduction and the overview. I also added a prereading list (with the Menu, Controls, and Monsters pages.) I abolished the controls section.

- Exhelah  &middot;   &middot; 04:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Is this still a thing?
Couldn't help notice that even though plenty of work is going on within the separate tutorials quite a few editors have been absent a bit or a little in-active. Even though, figured I'd say hi, add myself, and ask about this page still being on hiatus? To me new player documentation is one of the most important yet at the same time ``highly`` underestimated pieces of documentation. So I hope I can become a useful part of this project, even though it seems a bit dated right now. ShelLuser (talk) 17:37, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a big amorphous project, so people tend to work on it as they find time or happen to notice something. Also, adding facts or hints is easy, but reorganizing and smoothing out a page can take a lot more effort.  Most obviously, the "First Day" page started by splicing together at least two of the prior guides -- the result is a little awkward-looking, but it does serve its purpose, and cleaning up the transition will require considerable subtlety in editing and tweaking. --MentalMouse42 (talk) 03:50, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Rewriting the "Beginner's Guide"
This project may be important, but a little on the unnoticed side. I'd like to propose that instead of editing the Beginner's Guide "First Day" page to accommodate both tutorials onto the same page, the page should be rewritten to combine both guides into one. The end result would be what the "BGR Project" lists as the end result: "This project is aimed toward ... creating a general guide to leading you through the game, not step-by-step, but by giving you a list of choices to choose from, expanding on your ability to be creative in your approach." To avoid having to completely write a new guide in one step, I suggest this plan of actions in order:

This list will start with changes to the step-by-step guide, as it's closer to the end product than the overview section
 * 1) Move the topics within the step-by-step guide into a better order for players
 * 2) Rewrite each topic in the step-by-step guide to be concise and remove non-essential information to articles better suited to it (such as "Tips and Tricks" or "Things not to do")
 * 3) Fix wiki style issues in the step-by-step guide
 * 4) Meld the overview section into the step-by-step guide
 * 5) Delete the overview section and rename the step-by-step guide to be the only guide
 * 6) Switch out all headers to remove the section name and use the correct headers throughout the guide

The topics order I suggest is as such: Movement, Biomes, Wood, Crafting, Inventory, Tools, Stone, Combat, Smelting, Food, Light, Chest, and Night. There's two more topics (Bed and Shelter) but I don't know whether they should start the guide (as one of these should be the main goal of the player for the day), end the guide (as the player needs to know the rest of the information for both sections), or be in the middle (just after the information most needed to complete both tasks, which would be about after combat).

I also suggest that these different topics need to utilize links to better avoid informing too far. For example, the current topic about biomes tries to list information about the majority of major biomes while most beginners only need to know that biomes exist and affect terrain generation, mobs, and available resources (trees and such). Players curious about extra information could instead look at the main pages for the information, which provides detail and pictures, while not wasting other beginners' time.

I will begin with this editing soon (hopefully), but please suggest any opinions about this plan or changes which you feel are important to this plan here (including the dislike of the entire idea). Thanks,
 * -SuperDyl19 (talk) 01:16, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I've been slowly working on implementing this. First off, progress is slow with me still rewriting each topic. I'm currently at about combat. A quick addition to the list needs to be made: making the tutorial useful across different versions of Minecraft. I'll definitely need help with that step when the tutorial gets to that point.
 * -SuperDyl19 (talk) 21:33, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

There's more to do, but not much more can be done for the First Day until the Second Day has an organization plan. Any suggestions for improving the Second Day?
 * -SuperDyl19 (talk) 04:55, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

BGR Hiatus
The project's page has been on hiatus for two and a half years now. In that time, I believe that the criteria listed with the hiatus has been completed. Does this mean the project should no longer count as on hiatus? -SuperDyl19 (talk) 04:26, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Beginner tutorials reorganization
When I jumped into Minecraft, this monstrosity nearly turned me off of Minecraft wiki tutorials. It contains an abundance of helpful information, but it is overwhelming and difficult to navigate. I believe that the first day/second day/third day tutorials should be separated out, pared down to a minimum, and organized in a step-by-step manner. The rest should be consolidated into a "Beginner's Reference Guide" that is organized as a repository of concise reference material. As others have mentioned, this guide should be slimmed down and contain more links to other wiki pages to minimize information duplication.

I would like to help tame this beast, but I do not wish to step on toes. SuperDyl19, you seem to be currently the most active member of this project; does my proposed reorganization seem reasonable? Would it interfere with the edits you are working on?

Adjanti (talk) 17:27, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Your proposal sounds amazing! I'm glad you want to help fix up these tutorials. Having a reference guide for all the key beginner concepts would definitely help new players understand the game. I don't think such a change would harm the work on BGR pages and would be extremely useful. How do think such a reference should be organized? -SuperDyl19 (talk) 06:28, 24 March 2018 (UTC)