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SPIDERS
please note, we allready decided that neutral spiders do not deserve seperate space. spiders are hostile and we understand they turn neutral in sunlight but adding them twice would be like listing burning zombies or hostile zombie pigmen. please stop readding them, its cleaner anyway. thank you.

And yet, there are two separate listings for wolves depending on whether or not you've tamed them. Either give spiders the same courtesy or remove wolves from the Neutral section. By the way, the Passive section has a typo that cannot be corrected with the page locked like this. The plural of "squid" is "squid", not "squids". BurningDogFace 23:19, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Currently there are multiple references to "squids" one in the spawning behavior of passive mobs and another in the list of mobs. Timberdoodle 12:07, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Tamed wolves protect you, and follow you around. Non-aggro spiders just ignore you. The behavior is drastically different. Kas 06:11, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

FEESHIES
While browsing the mob files i came across fish, it had all the needed coding, but was missing a model. I think a fish mob page should be made and added to the unused catagory until notch finishes them. Golby, 3:41 PM, 20 november, 2010 (EST)
 * I personally don't think it should. it has no model, and so, cannot be spawned. once the unused code is tied with a model, then we should add it. IMO at least. feel free to mention it in the mobs page though.--Kizzycocoa 14:46, 20 November 2010 (CST)

Dragon livestream?
On the dragon part it states that notch did a livestream with a dragon in the nether, could someone give a link to this video? Golby, 10:53 AM, monday november 22 2010 (EST)
 * Correction; ghast. What do you think of the new mob images?

There can be way more than 14 freindly mobs at once.
Just take a look at this ridiculous chicken rave.



I think there is WAY more than 14 chickens in there, don't you?--Ikalpo 14:08, 20 December 2010 (CST)


 * Spawners (like you have in this picture) behave differently than global mob spawns. --80HD 17:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

That may be so, but I don't think the limit is 15 for normal spawning, I think it's been upped to 20, if I'm reading the code right Nosrepa 21:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Maybe 32, on a SMP server with a plugin (not killing squids, no monsters, no tamed wolves), I did /butcher many times. 1st time : Killed 29 mobs. 2nd time : Killed 27 mobs. 3rd time : Killed 26 mobs. There can definitely be more than 15 peaceful mobs on the map at one time. For a long time I was at war with the pigs cause they stormed my greenhouse complex. I counted 54 porkchops which means there were 27 pigs at least. This was in Beta 1.2. Timberdoodle 12:51, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

History Page?
I think that there should be a history page, rather that keeping all of the past drops in each seperate article, we could make one HISTORY article.

NEW MOB!!
recently I found octopuses. aquatic mob, dunno peacefull/difficulty, but I kiled 1 and they drop ink bags. they are 1 tall 1 wide 2 long, and I think they spawn if theres a 3 deep water hole. thats my 50 cents.
 * Please don't spam THIS website with the fact that you just found something that people have certainly already found. Thats what the forums are for. MoonBeans 13:23, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Ghosts
I'm pretty sure Notch was just talking about the weird phasing of Mobs that happened when you had your difficulty set to Peaceful and not a new mob. --Spolin 02:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Seconded. SteveZombie 12:15, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * He was doing so for sure, I believe he mentions it in his blog. -St. Fenix (User•Talk) 14:07, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Neutral vs Assertive
I was wondering if calling Zombie Pigmen neutral is completely accurate, or possibly misleading. I think that changing the terminology to assertive makes more sense. Afaik assertive usually means that something will stand up for itself when attacked... which seems to fit the Zombie Pigmen quite well. If an admin thinks this is a good idea then I would appreciate them changing it for me, as I'd rather not make such a big change on my own.


 * Not necessarily. Assertive means it stands up for itself, not just when attacked. Neutral at in between hostile and peaceful, I say leave it at that. -F1racer101 13:26, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Again, Simply a variable(or whatever you want to call it with that meaning) category would solve all these problems. It is entirely accurate and would make the page much less cumbersome.Theesexiestman 09:11, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

npc villages.
There has been much talk of notch adding goblin npcs into the game, but there is evidence of npcs already being in the game. For now I have added this into the article.

Reference:the bluexephos minecraft multiplayer survival series, mainly the last five episodes. I'm sure others have corroborating evidence.
 * You mean Terrorvale? That was staged. There are no NPCs in the game without modding it. Old_Peculier was played by Hannah or someone else, but he was DEFINITELY not an NPC. Simon and Lewis probably didn't know it but their crew built all that role play. Otherwise it would have required insane amounts of acting skill to sound unknowingly. --Flippeh 12:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Never, ever take events occurring in a video recorded on a multiplayer server as genuine. Were it real, the internet would know about it already. SteveZombie 13:53, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Bears
I've seen pictures and believe that there are bears in Minecraft. Brown bears...


 * Mo' Creatures has bears and a lot of other creatures. IChrisI 05:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Special/Daytime?
Maybe a subtopic as to which mobs die during the daytime/rules governing that?

Spawn Distance
Is it true that mobs spawn no further than 24 blocks from the player? --EnderA 07:07, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm quite certain that this is true. I made a pasture and filled it with light, but nothing spawned in it until I moved a distance away, at which point things started spawning almost instantly. Psycho Robot 06:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Mobs spawn no CLOSER than 24 blocks. This is not true with mob spawners, however... and in SMP you can see mobs spawn closer, perhaps due to lag.  --80HD 17:09, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Passive mob despawning
Does anyone know what the rules regarding the despawning of passive mobs are? I fenced in a pen and flooded it with light, and that night dozen or so sheeps cows and chickens spawned there. Then, in the morning, all of them disappeared but one sheep. The next night, another dozen or so animals spawned, and in the following morning, all but one pig remained. Does anyone know why this happens? Its annoying because I'd like to keep some sheep in there for a permanent source of wool! Psycho Robot 06:55, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Mobs will despawn from unloaded chunks. The one sheep you saw was most likely a re-spawn.  You can test this by either dying the sheep, or shearing it and checking back later. --80HD 17:13, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Giants
Giants REALLY need their own page. Pretty interesting if you ask me. (In unused, of course.) I mean, PIGMEN have their own page, and all we have is THEIR skin. Not even any information. We need a Giants page. We have their code, (temporary) skin, health, and working mob to be spawned. It's a mob that is in the code but UNUSED. (Hence the name UNUSED mobs), so why is it in FUTURE mobs?

We also need more info on it (can it suffocate? How tall are they?) There will be more info on it then there are on PIGMEN. I can guarantee it. Pseudorealism 01:02, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Pigmen is a current working mob, gigants isn't.

No, pigmen AREN'T a working mob. Zombie pigmen are. Look on the page, all we have is the skin. Go ahead and try to spawn one. You won't find a working "pigman" model to spawn, just the skin. Now try to spawn giants. Look, they're in the code. I've seen spawned Giants before when playing on my server, when we were spawning mobs. Never did we spawn a pigman. BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK. Pseudorealism 21:26, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Giants can be killed pretty easily because they don't punch you. But they have a lot of life and I think i remember that I got hurt when the giant walked into me. I didn' know why it appeared but probably someone spawned it. (happend only one time to me so I can't really remember everything =D) Los Bastardos 16:42, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Biome Specific Mobs
Just my idea: I think it would be really cool if we had Biome specific mobs and npcs. Even if they were just the same mobs with different skins I think it would add some variety. Maybe cave specific mobs as well. We could do it in a similar fashion to pigmen and ghasts in the Nether just limit their spawns to rainforest, desert, etc. instead of the Nether vs. Earth. Comment if you think of specific mobs or like the idea


 * Put this in Minecraft Forums, not in the wiki. user:tygor97

Mob spawning range
I noticed that it doesn't say how close you have to be for mobs to spawn. Does anyone know? --El Nazgir 19:09, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the theory was that they spawned from 24-72 blocks away from you. --JonTheMon 19:13, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No less than 24 blocks away Mobs. --Jazzer008 19:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I know they don't spawn within 24 blocks, but there's also a maximum, and that's what I was asking, Jazzer. Not that I don't trust Jon, but can anyone confirm that 72 range (and put it in mainspace)? --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 16:03, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Zombies cant attack?
I have noticed zombies and zombie pigmen are having a hard time attacking. Has anyone else seen this?
 * Yes, this is a bug introduced in 1.3. It's documented on the version history. Doozer 05:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Spider Mob Classification
Some people think Spiders should be listed twice whenever and wherever mobs are listed; once under Hostile Mobs and again under Neutral Mobs.

This is redundant and looks stupid. Spiders are almost always hostile and therefore should be classified as such. Arguing 'they are hostile during the day!' is ridiculous because Spiders only spawn in dark places. It also looks stupid and cluttering to have the (Sunlight) tag next to the Spider.

Unless I hear a well established counter-argument within 24 hours after posting this I am going to change it back and that will be that. –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daedalus (Talk 11:04, 16 March 2011 SC2. Please sign your posts with !
 * You're hardly in a position to say "I am going to change it back and that will be that", you don't appear to even know how a talk page works, what gives you the right to be handing out orders? Besides, that's not how a wiki works.
 * You keep saying they are hostile most of the time; well... no, they aren't. Level 15 sunlight is present for half of the day/night cycle, therefore they are able to be neutral for half the time. – ultradude25 ( T at 01:22, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That is completely ignoring the fact that Spiders ONLY SPAWN IN DARKNESS of 10 or less and are therefore hardly ever exposed to Sunlight 15 - especially given how they despawn. That IS NOT being neutral 50% of the time. If you insist that it is, you fail at logic and math forever. –The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daedalus (Talk 12:32, 17 March 2011. Please sign your posts with !
 * And spiders are usually out in the open, because they're so big. Which means they're usually in the light once it's day. – ultradude25 ( T at 01:45, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Unless there are none around in the morning. Or they are under a tree or similar object. Or you find them underground in caves. Or one or more have been chasing you in the night and they are still chasing you when the sun comes up. And if you do not kill the morning spiders, they will despawn when you leave them be for a while. It therefore follows that spiders are almost always hostile and there is no need to list them under both Neutral and Hostile lists. The article for Spiders can make the clarification as I have been saying all along. SC2Daedalus at 10:00 pm, 16 March 2011 (EST)
 * Err, not to fan this too much, but doesn't everything (friendly/neutral/hostile) de-spawn if you leave them for long enough? By your logic, we shouldn't even have pigmen or a neutral category at all, since while pigmen are normally friendly, they're hostile the moment they get injured near you (since Ghast fireballs can cause them to target you in vengeance), and there's always Ghasts present in the Nether.  BTW, I didn't realize that you were a Minepedia Sysop, SC2D.  I must have missed the vote.  Ah well, we'll have to update the admin page then. -Wulfenbach (not on fire for once) 03:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * He's not a sysop, he barely knows how to work a wiki. – ultradude25 ( T at 04:28, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Come on Ultra, rule #5. Let's try to keep it all civil enough.  his suggestion does reduce the size of the page, simplifying it a bit.  I don't agree with that the reduction in information clarity is worth the smaller size, but we can all keep it at least to mild sarcasm, can't we? -Wulfenbach (not on fire for once) 06:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think they should only be listed as hostile. Yes, they can become neutral, but they never spawn as neutral. And I don't like them being listed twice, and the small (sunlight) tag just doesn't look as good. --JonTheMon 13:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * So, back to this. Single entry for spiders or double? --JonTheMon 14:51, 26 March 2011 (UTC)\
 * Sorry to 'post and ghost' - I have been busy for awhile. Anyway, JohnTheMon hit the nail on the head. There is no sense in listing a Mob twice - it creates clutter. More mobs are going to be added to the game and it will become increasingly tedious to look through categories. I see someone listed wolves twice as well. Completely unnecessary. –Daedalus (Talk 11:07, 26 March 2011.
 * Ok, if there is no further objection, I would like to remove the redundancies soon. --JonTheMon 13:38, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * JonTheMon, remove redundancies by creating a classification such as variable, inconsistent, irregular, or fluctuating. I personally like irregular because it seems to be the most accurate. Also, it would make it completely clear that there simply is more to these mobs than attacking or being passive.Theesexiestman 09:27, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Whales-article gone?
There was an article about whales, but it seems it's deleted. It's now also just mentioned whales one place, there it says it's planned. Why is the page deleted, and are whales confirmed or not? Tawg 09:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

The page was deleted because there was no proof. JesusChrist666 12:07, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

(Possibly) Wrong or misleading Note
In the Notes section we can read: "If a hostile mob doesn't see you, and you hit it with a projectile, the mob will head in your direction, usually finding you. " From gameplay experience I know this is not true. Perhaps it works if the distance between player and mob is limited, but I can confirm that at about 25 meters the mob will just jump and look around. Bromazepam 16:41, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I can confirm this too. I have a narrow pit trap where I attack through door windows. At that short distance, the mobs act like they see you and keep walking into the doors. They don't actually see you through the doors though, because creepers don't explode when they are less than 1 block away. Similar behavior with skeletons, they never try to shoot you, but walk closer. I also noticed that mobs do not walk torwards you if you are about 20 blocks way. They jump, and sometimes look at you, but usually do not walk closer. If they do, they sometimes simply stop, not being able to find you. --Zkyo 17:12, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Mob Movement
Please review this thread regarding mob movement: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1020&t=275209  --SalinaWyldcat 04:40, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Horse?
Read this. http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/mounts You my need to cut and paste.


 * That's only a suggestion from a random fan of Minecraft. Only if Mojang staff accouncing it, we will include it into this wiki. --R ocĸetor talk  23:32, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


 * But he says its "Coming for sure".

Forgetting hostile wolf?
shouldn't we add the hostile wolf in the aggressive category?--"_"oyster"_" 21:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The hostile wolf is the neutral wolf after it's been provoked. It would be like differentiating between neutral and hostile Zombie Pigman. Bromazepam 12:14, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If we go with what you say, then spiders shouldn't have daylight, night time division ether! --Yurisho 13:23, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Why? No. Neutral = harmless until attacked. Aggressive = attacks on sight. Spiders have two separate behaviours, depending on the light conditions. It's appropriate that they're referenced twice. Bromazepam 13:43, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Very true, My bad. --"_"oyster"_" 13:46, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it is inappropriate that they be mentioned twice. It's the same animal and we don't have separate pages for the tamed vs. aggressive wolf because it would be annoying and repetitive. There should just be a category called irregular(or something to that effect) which would comprise of all mobs that have special conditions dictating whether they are aggressive or passive.Theesexiestman 09:06, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Mobs' health and damage displayed as hearts instead of numbers
I tried to find a mob template page but couldn't, so I'll post this here:

currently the details for the mobs in the individual pages display the health and damage they deal as hearts. This is not a good idea because it makes it extremely hard to read. If I write "OOOOOOOOOOO" you can't instantly tell those are 11 Os, while if I write 11 it's automatic.

I really feel that should be changed. Bromazepam 12:13, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * That's how it originally was, then someone decided to change it to hearts and it's stayed like that ever since. – ultradude25 ( T at 13:20, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Charged Creepers
Should there be a seperate page for Charged "Creepers"? IhazCake 19:58, 23 April 2011 (UTC)IhazCake

No because Thats like adding 2 pages for A wild wolf and tamed 1.--"_"oyster"_" 20:01, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Spiders 2
« Spiders in sunlight is a condition of its AI, it doesn't change the mob like a wolf. » Moxxy (in diff summary)


 * That's the same, wolves aggressiveness, neutrality or friendliness are also IA conditions… Spiders can be aggressive or neutral, neither case is more accurate than the other: why not put spiders with neutral and say aggressiveness is an AI condition? That's why I think Spiders should be in neutral and aggressive sections. – Scaler (t) 22:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * But spiders don't spawn neutral. As above, they always spawn hostile and might become neutral in sunlight. --JonTheMon 00:17, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Wolves don't spawn aggressive or friendly neither… I'm not against your solution (even if I prefer the other one), but all mobs should be treated the same way. – Scaler (t) 07:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Wolves spawn neutral and only become aggressive when you hit them. And also, they become an entirely different entity when they are tamed. Not only do they have a collar now, they are now perpetual, which is a very significant difference. --JonTheMon 13:32, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, should be put in a category called irregular(or something to that effect). Also, if at night you have an aggressive spider follow you onto a floor of glowstone then the spider will become neutral again. As for wolves they also attack if you hurt another wolf(in my experience) as well as if you hit yourself with an arrow. Point being these are all special conditions that fit accurately under the irregular category. Theesexiestman 09:26, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

meta pigs
just because notch made a joke about it, does not mean its confirmed. please stop simply undoing it every time someone undoes your work.
 * You forgot ~ there. -- ClapNZ 23:46, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

French article
I know this page is locked at the moment, so can any admin please add Créatures (the french version of this article)? Thanks --YSelf 10:57, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * No. It goes to the french wiki only. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 11:51, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * He means adding an interwiki link. – Scaler (t) 13:26, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Hostiles In Minecarts
When I Was Trying To Make A Trap With Minecarts and a zombie, the zombie killed me when it was in the minecart; can someone add this to Trivia? --Amigopen The Gemini! 10:57, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

All mobs can mount in minecarts, Try placing more torches, and place glass or single slabs directly above the minecart tracks. C ali nou - talk × contribs » 21:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I Meant That Hostiles Can Attack you when they're in the minecart and i lured the zombie into the minecart.

Punctuation
This isn't about the mobs themselves, but in the bit about charged creepers there should be a coma after the 1.5. I'd do it myself, but this page is locked. Timberdoodle 13:02, 10 May 2011 (UTC)