Talk:Health

Uhh, we already have a health page. – ultradude25 ( T 07:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Well that was really short and seemed to be more for the UI hearts, should we merge the two? I just don't feel like damage statistics should be in the UI category. New to this wiki btw. --Bdonski

I have found that falling from a fatal height will, no matter if you're on fire, kill you. I think this should be mentioned. - Tapakah121

New article for suffocation?
Maybe we should make a new article for suffocation. On this page it already has its own history, patches, and glitches sections. --SwiftShade 20:47, 23 December 2010 (CST)

Avoid Drowning
I found an interesting exploit on Minecraft. If you are carrying an empty bucket and take water from the block infront of you and you go through it, it will replenish your air count. This can be easily done over and over if you drop the water obtained on the bottom floor of the ocean/sea.

Article naming
"Health/damage" is a pretty poor name for this article, not to mention the wiki is treating it like a subpage. Surely this page should be moved to Health and damage/hazard information should be merged from Hazards into Damage? --Gnu32 22:58, 16 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. This is not a good title because Damage? I think hazard is a better word... -LeopardStar the Leader –The preceding unsigned comment was added by LeopardStar (Talk . Please sign your posts with !


 * I disagree. I think it should stay this way. Health and Damage are related, and this is easier to find out, as damage relates to the taking away of health. I don't think hazard is a better word as hazard is referring to something that could hurt you. Please sign your posts with 4 tilde's (~) Stinkbug22 22:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagree with Stinkbug22's and Gnu32's now because the / makes it look weird. Health/Damage? Health and Damage? Health and Hazards? I mean putting the / in there makes it look like we're lazy. LeopardStar The Leader 22:42, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

20 HP... Not 10...
"Hearts make up the health meter for the player and mobs in the Survival modes. Each heart represents one hit point, for a total of 10 hit points. Hit points are lost in multiples of 0.5."

it seems to me that players actually have 20 HP, not 10 as this suggests. Each half heart being equal to 1 hitpoint.


 * Those are both valid ways of considering the situation, but it seems likely that Notch wanted 10 HP with the minimum damage being .5 . Also, sign your posts with "~". Darkid 14:31, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I see what you mean but it says after that that it goes down in multiples of 0.5 LeopardStar The Leader 22:35, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

In the statistics, my damage taken went up by 2 when I lost 1 heart, so it seems to be that a half heart is 1 HP. Daedalus733 21:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Dog/Wolf
For the new 1.4 update, I think we may need to include numbers for damage regarding the wolves/dogs. Just putting it out there. (Unsigned)

- Done, as well as the health. I put question marks at the damage dealt by hostile wolves, since I don't know their strength on any difficulty. The page about wolves says that they deal 1/2 to 1 damage, but how that relates to difficulty is unknown to me. As in: I didn't put that to the test. Metonymia 13:30, 9 April 2011 (UTC) Metonymia

Someone update creepers damage
When I play on normal, without any armor and full 10 hearts, a creeper will kill me in one hit. It says creepers do 8 damage. I'd update it, but I don't know how to test if the creepers do more than 10 hearts, so I wont touch it.

Taking "no damage" from falling
It is possible, when falling 3.5 to 4 meters, to take "no damage" from falling. That is to say, your armor, which must be reasonably high, will degrade marginally but your health will not. Your health will flash, and the "oof" noise will play, but it will act much akin to taking 1/2 a heart on peaceful, that is it will not appear to move. Can anyone shed light on to (apart from the 3.5/4) when this happens, i.e. how much armor you need/health you need? Hell, can anyone else even confirm having noticed this? (Not that I condone throwing oneself off a cliff and attempting to take no damage.) Darkid
 * This effect can be mimicked by partial suffocation after getting out of a minecart in a 2-high ceiling. Darkid 23:26, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Fall damage formula, longest possible fall
The armor article says that max armor will reduce damage by 80%, meaning to ⅕.

The fall damage formula is said to be FD = (number of blocks - 3) ÷ 2.

If we want to calculate how deep a fully armored miner can fall while taking 9.5 hearts damage, we get this: 9.5 = ⅕ (x-3) ÷ 2

It is solved to 2 · 9.5 · 5 + 3 = 98. Can somebody confirm this? It seems quite deep! –Flying sheep 23:52, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Tested and confirmed. Full armor + 98 block fall = 9.5 hearts lost. It seems very weird (yet very cool) that it actually works! - Ickykid94 18:08, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Falling in Minecart
The article claims falling minecarts will not hurt you, which was true for me, until i updated to 1.6.4. now i take the damage just as a would falling normally. can someone else confirm this?

Minecarts landing on solid ground will cause you to have full fall damage. I have tested it out and having the minecart land on a track and stopping while on the track or exiting the cart while in motion will still prevent fall damage. However, if the minecart rolls off the track after a fall but before it comes to a complete stop (or before you exit), you will still get full fall damage when the minecart rolls off. --BioHaZZarD99 02:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Fire Damage
Fire damage (Half a heart per second for 15 seconds) is now under Lava, shouldn't it get it's own section?

Lethal Fall Damage
The page says a drop of 23 blocks or more will kill you, but it takes a drop of 23&frac12; blocks to deal the full ten hearts. Father Toast  22:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Food changes all this
As of the pre-release. If you have a full bar of Food points it's pretty much impossible to die, the lowest you health will drop to is half a heart. --Ecksearoh 12:02, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a false fact, that is sadly widely spread on discussion boards.--Deity Link 21:28, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Changes to damage in 1.8
The damage table that lists the amount of damage done by various tools needs updating. 1.8 reduced the base damage dealt by all weapons by half a point as far as I'm aware; this means that Stone Swords, for example, only deal 3 damage now instead of 3.5; I cannot provide proof in the form of a video, but just try it for yourself - killing a hostile mob with a Stone Sword without critical hits or anything else that'd adjust damage takes four hits. If it'd still deal 3.5 damage per hit, it'd only be three. Arrows, in particular, no longer deal 2 damage. I'll leave the actual editing and the exact numbers to someone else, though. 84.156.2.234 17:33, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Damage Nerf (Mass information change)
See Talk:Weapons. Sorted out most of the data, and figured out most of the damage and health and stuff there. There's no way I'll be able to transfer it all to this page and fix it all up by myself. Help please? --HexZyle 08:12, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Health
Perhaps its a glitch but in my newly updated version 1.8.1 I cannot eat anything to regain health in any game setting. I can't play in anything but peaceful because I die of starvation and can't prevent that. Anyone else having this problem?

~*~


 * You have to hold down the right mouse key button to eat. --HexZyle 05:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Page Rearrangement
I'm sorry but as more and more information is added and compiled, having a single page for health and Damage is no longer a feasible/efficient idea. As I previously stated on Critical hit (which itself needs to be merged into the Damage article, I think the Health and Damage page is becoming a bit messy and too large/broad. I suggest that we make 2 separate articles: One on damage specifically, the other on health. All types of damage and and the number of hits to kill, the amount of damage each mob deals, the amount of damage each weapon from every mob (skeleton, ghast, blaze, creeper explosion, etc)deals, and the amount of damage every type of block deals to the player (cactus, piston damage, etc). All entity health including exp orbs, ghast/blaze fireballs, skeleton arrows, dropped items, primed tnt, paintings, etc should go on the Health page. This will be a more efficient way of organizing all the information presented in more than 5 pages. (Health and damage, Weapons chart, Weapons, Entity, Mobs, assorted articles and Trivia sections). The original information on every article can stay, but this should be the main article where all other articles take information from. This way, if we create a central page for the information, we won't have any confusion. - Asterick6 07:22, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I with the merge, but  with the split - seperating the Health and Damage page just because it is big sounds rediculous. We need them both in the same page because Damage directly affects Health. Health and Damage IS a large topic, and naturally, will have a large page. There really isn't any way to seperate it (and the method of seperation now is showing that it is quite tedious). You aren't really proposing a solution to the problem, just a rearranging of the pages. Keeping Health, and Damage on two seperate pages would be difficult to maintain because if a person wanted to know how many strikes of said weapon it takes to kill a certain enemy, to cross reference the data they would need to switch between the pages. (remember that not everyone knows how to use tabs) I propose we merge all the indiscriminite pages that detail health and damage, and then see what we can do from there. --HexZyle 10:43, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Also, the mob page should remain seperate, as it covers the newly coming mobs and the offensive nature of mobs. It doesn't really share any info with the Health and Damage page. Same goes for the Entity page, their is only small mentions of the health of entities, and even that is not very useful (and it is obvious) to the average player. --HexZyle 10:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT2: Alternativly, to keep all the values updated, we could use a table template, one with the health values of all mobs on it, one with the damage values of all mobs, one with the damage values of all tools, and then one with the critical damage on it. This way all the info could be updated together and effectively. --HexZyle 10:50, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT3: And as a reply to your reason for split, if it's too unorganised, at least make an attempt to organise it, or put up a "Requires Organisation" message box before reverting to shifting large amounts of information around the place. --HexZyle 10:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What I meant by the Mobs, entity pages is that the information from those pages can be added into here as well. I don't mean to move them from their respective pages, but rather recompile the information and put the data/number values into charts. I was thinking that all the health values can be compiled together into 1 article, and the damage values can be compiled into another one. Like the pages are a chartlist of data or something. Do you understand what I'm getting at here? - Asterick6 04:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Partially, although I think the data could be seperated in a more effective way. Let me get my drawing board :D --HexZyle 07:42, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

ok well I need people other than HexZyle which we have already discussed together before. - Asterick6 04:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. We're pretty much the only two interested in this fix. --HexZyle 07:42, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I too agree with Critical hit article merge, but disagree with split. It is really large topic and we need all info here. For those, who want read about specific info, there is Contents menu at the top. — MiiNiPaaT 09:29, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm somewhat torn on the topic. On one hand, damage is separate from health, and if you wanted to see both for a mob, they're on the mob page. On the other hand, keeping the information in one location (since it's related) is convenient. So, i'd say no to split. On the topic of critical hit, i think that needs to be its own article. On that article you explain how to achieve it and its other affects; here you just mention how it affects damage. --JonTheMon 15:14, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Why can't we include conditions to achieve critical hit? I mean, drowning section have more info than critical hit page (excluding the table), so why don't create a subsection in Health and Damage and update the table with critical damage values? — MiiNiPaaT 16:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, now that I've taken a second look at the article, I'm switching my vote to split. In fact, it might be best to split the damage types into their own articles (e.g. Types of damage are drowning (x damage), suffocating (y damage), cactus (z damage), etc.) and just summarize the damage on the damage page. --JonTheMon 17:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)