Talk:Spider Jockey/Archive 1

Necessity of this page
Can someone confirm the necessity of this page? I've read elsewhere that spiders riding skeletons do not spawn, but are instead created when skeletons and spiders spawn separately and meet up. Some players claim to have seen it. Is there any confirmation that they spawn as a single entity, and is there any basis at all to the one in one hundred claim?JohnnyMadhouse 03:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * it can be necessary, but it is definately crossing the border. I am still tempted to remove it. I'll wait until Quatroking is online. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Kizzycocoa (Talk&#124;Contribs) 09:02, 10 November 2010. Please sign your posts with
 * Someone analysed the mob spawning code and seen that when a spider spawns the program will generate another random number. If the number is above a certain value then a skeleton will be placed on top of the spider. So they don't spawn separately and then meet up. I think the page needs to stay, because lots of people make "wow, a skeleton riding a spider, has anyone else seen this?" posts to forums. Oh, and I saw a skeleton on a spider the other night in my game :-) DannyF1966 08:33, 10 November 2010 (CST)
 * Ohh that makes sense. This page should stay :D --Scykei 14:58, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

What happens to this mob when the sun comes up? Skeletons burn, but Spiders don't. I've only seen one of these, and when the sun was beginning to rise the Spider just vanished, leaving the skeleton to wander around on his own. JaffaCakeLover 16:33, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * the skeleton is set on fire/can die. the spider is unharmed and roams as per usual after the skeleton's death.--Kizzycocoa 16:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

This mob does not appear to climb walls. I was standing on the edge of my house, shooting arrows at one of these guys, and he just kept running into the wall. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr FJ (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:14, 14 January 2011. Please sign your posts with

Title
Guys, I'm almost certain that the title should be "Spider Mounted Skeleton". We have mounted police, not police mounted. Mounted is an adjective in this case, and should come before the noun it modifies: in this case it's skeleton. If we say Skeleton Mounted on a Spider, then mounted is a verb and modifies the noun it's after (unless we're pulling a Yoda). The hyphen looks pretty and all, but that just reinforces the fact that "skeleton-mounted" is a compound modifier and more strongly says that this is a spider riding a skeleton. I believe this so strongly that I am now going to change the title. Fight me if you want, but hopefully grammar will prevail (and not that dirty skeleton-riding spider)(yes, skeleton-riding spider means that it's a spider riding a skeleton). --DaMavster 08:28, 11 November 2010 (CST)
 * Yeah. I can't figure out how to rename the article. And I don't want to correct all of the text on the page if the title's staying wrong too. Kizzycocoa? You seem like a decent fellow (and wiki-savvy). Would you mind fixing this?


 * Also, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound_modifier and check out such examples as "man-eating shark". A man eating shark might mean a man literally chewing on a shark, but the hyphen removes doubt and says no, this is a shark that eats men. Likewise, we need a Spider-mounted Skeleton. A skeleton-mounted spider is a spider riding a skeleton, and that's just against the laws of nature. =P --DaMavster 14:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm leaving this page until we have a definitive answer


 * it's simply too annoying to move it every half hour.--Kizzycocoa 08:37, 11 November 2010 (CST)


 * WTF? You're getting it wrong, DaMavster. Just using your example, "man-eating shark". We know that we are talking about a shark who is being man-eating. Likewise, A "skeleton-mounted spider" means a spider who is being mounted by a skeleton, so the current title is correct.
 * So look, a "mounted spider" makes sense and a "mounted skeleton" doesn't, right? I dunno? --Scykei 14:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * "Mounted police" or "mounted horse"? The Royal Canadian Mounted Police agree with me. Mounted in this case is used as an adjective. Besides, what if there were multiple spiders/skeletons? Would we say skeleton-mounted spiders? Or spider-mounted skeletons? "Man-eating sharks"? Or "Shark-eating men"? To clarify, I'm arguing that spider-mounted skeletons and man-eating sharks are correct (unless we really are talking about spiders riding skeletons and people that eat sharks)--DaMavster 09:21, 11 November 2010 (CST)


 * I've been thinking about this title all day and sometimes I think it should be one way and sometimes I think it should be the other! H'mm... "Spider-riding Skeleton" makes sense because the hyphen makes it clear that the Skeleton is spider-riding. Following that logic, the article should be called "Spider-mounted Skeleton". I do feel strongly that the article title should have a hyphen in it, to make it clear which mob is mounted. Changing it to "Spider-riding Skeleton" would probably make it clear what the mob actually is. --DannyF1966 15:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm with Danny in that we need to rethink using the word "mounted". It has too many connotations. "Spider-riding Skeleton" also is more clear, but I worry that we might run into the same issue with 'mounted'. Could we make it, "Skeleton Riding a Spider"? --DaMavster 09:33, 11 November 2010 (CST)


 * And then hope that no-one comes along and says it should be "Spider carrying a Skeleton" instead! --DannyF1966 15:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Let's just call it a "Skider" and be done with it! =P  --DaMavster 09:39, 11 November 2010 (CST)


 * The issue here is that thw word "mounted" is both a transitive verb (it takes a direct object) and a passive participle (an adjective). It can be "Horse-mounted", meaning mounted on top of a horse, i.e. riding it, or it can be "Man-mounted", meaning that the subject is in a state of having been mounted by a man.  Seeing as "Horse-mounted" is used much more than "Man-mounted", my opinion is that the same logic should be extended to "Spider-mounted Skeleton".  Hope you understood this complicated grammar explanation :) Jaeil 15:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * So both are valid? Then I think we should just move away from this particular construction and call it something else, something  that's less ambiguous. LordAndrew 16:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ♪Spider-Rider♫ and the dead sherriffs (shoot, shoot) =D Jokes aside, i also feel we should move away from using "mounted". Skider doesnt sound too bad. BlueLegion 17:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Jaeil for articulating it much better than I was. Although, I thought the hyphen in this case indicated that 'mounted' was being used as a passive participle. Can it also be used with the transitive verb 'mounted'? --DaMavster 16:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I just tried to think this out and I've gone and confuzzled myself... A "horse-mounted man" could be read as a man who was mounted by a horse.  It could also be read as a man who is mounted upon a horse.  We would tend to think the latter way first, since the former is absurd.  It makes a difference which way you do it; the man in the example is the subject while the horse is an afterthought.  Either way, the man is the thing we are talking about.  I suppose ambiguities like this are just what makes English such a difficult and interesting language to use.  Either way, the new title is more concise.  That's good enough for me. Jaeil 03:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

We could just set it to Mounted Skeleton. That's clear enough. Bushmango 18:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I saw one of these Spider Jockeys, I shot it in the face with the AK47, but then a creeper blew me up. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by TheRealFake19 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 16:52, 4 May 2011. Please sign your posts with

Skeletons Can Sit On Air?
This is not lag, but when a Spider Jockey spawned next to a Skeleton when the Spider moved the Skeleton would look like it was off the Spider as if it was sitting on air.

JPeGamesEn 18:41, 2 April 2013 (UTC) JPeGamesEn

This was probably caused by the Spider spawning with an Invisibily status effect. --68.14.131.9 22:20, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

New title - Spider Jockeys
I think you nailed it with this title, Kizzy. ;) This page would also now work for other mobs riding spiders (I don't think each would need its own page). --XipXoom 12:53, 11 November 2010 (CST)
 * Seconded completely. --BlueLegion 20:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As the other mobs are listed as singulars, shouldn't it be Spider Jockey? Yes, I disappoint myself in pointing this out. Nevertheless, it's a clever solution to the above naming palaver. JaffaCakeLover 15:27, 13 November 2010 (CST)

Spider jockeys shooting through glass
Is it true that the skeleton on the spider can shoot through glass? It sounds like a myth. LTK 70 18:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I actually think this is a myth, I once saw one, ran to my mob trap, it climbed on top and tried shooting at me. The arrows did not get past the glass...Stinkbug22-Putting STINK in STINKBUG 01:07, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Inconsistencies
It seems that a lot of the articles concering spiders and skeletons are in disagreement with each other. The skeleton article claims that a skeleton has a 1% chance of spawning as a jockey, whereas I thought this only applied to spiders, as denoted here. Also, the spider article claims that spiders cannot climb soul sand, whereas this one suggests they can climb every block. However, I'm aware that last one is still under some dispute. Actually, having viewed the justification on this discussion page, I'll go and edit that first one out myself. Feel free to correct me if that's a misconception. Troagador 00:26, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

An Agressive Mob?
I think Spider Jockey's should have their own page but I don't think they should call it an "Agressive Mob" because it's actually two Agressive Mobs put together. You know how Wolf (tamed) has it's own spot at the bottom of the page (Friendly)? I think Spider Jockey should have it's own spot too called "Morph" or something like that. Even though they act as one it's still two different mobs put together because if you kill the spider the skeleton will start walking itself. If you kill the Spider it just won't have the same Long Ranged attack. If Notch decides to make more mobs put together this would be great! LeopardStar The Leader 23:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Nah, it's a mob altogether. Perhaps inbetween spider and skeleton, but tha'ts aboput it. R ocĸetor talk  09:41, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

This is 2 mobs put together, doesn't matter how it happens, what a player sees is a skeleton on top of a spider. Does not need to be listed as another aggressive mob because we already have it's components as separate mobs. Should however be listed on the pages of the skeleton and spider. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Theesexiestman (Talk&#124;Contribs) 09:42, 6 May 2011. Please sign your posts with

Correction: Spiders are both a passive AND aggressive mob. In the light spiders are passive. In the dark they are hostile. I'd say they're on a borderline between passive and aggressive (epiphany: PASSIVE-AGRESSIVE! :3) so in fact it is not two hostile mobs, but one hostile and one passive-aggressive mob. Mybabypetghast 00:55, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * No. In a spider jockey, the skeleton is not a mob until the spider dies. Father  Toast  23:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Picture
I lost the picture when I was trying to revert some noob's vandalism. Can someone fix this? My computer is lagging at dial up speed, even tho we're supposed to get 4.6mbps R ocĸetor talk  09:41, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * 4.6 mbps is very slow. – ultradude25 ( T at 10:54, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I caute a screenshot of a spider jockey and i dont know how to add it to the Spider Jockey page. Can anyone help me with that? –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Kenkaku123 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 07:16, 31 March 2011. Please sign your posts with

A very noticable typo!
In the first paragraph it reads: "Seecret Friday"

Fix it! –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Araimos (Talk&#124;Contribs) 00:30, 18 May 2011. Please sign your posts with


 * Why don't YOU fix it instead of waiting for others to fix the problems? Always be bold, (but not too bold). - Asterick6 05:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Its supposed to say that. That's the name of the updates: Seecret Friday Updates. And please sign your posts --Deanm 00:35, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

A couple of edits
I made some edits about how spider jockeys fit into new updates, like wether and wolves, and some stuff about the spider and skeleton not basing their attack target on each other. –Preceding unsigned comment was added by Tsar Bomba (Talk&#124;Contribs) 21:30, 26 May 2011. Please sign your posts with

Skeletons have a 1% chance of being a Spider Jockey!
I'm pretty sure Spiders don't, unless someone has proof of a spider jockey spawning in a dungeon spawner, I've only seen a Spider Jockey about 3 times, this latest time I took a picture, seen at the bottom right. Notice the other Skeletons around the spider jockey? That's a group spawn of skeletons, about 3 to 4. You may also notice that the Skeletons are attacking me too, So yeah I think it spawned within the group of Skeletons becuase that is where I found it,

I also realized that if a Skeleton accidently shoots a spider jockey that only the Skeleton will attack by shooting arrows at the Skeleon that attacked it, but the Spider proceeds to attack the player, You may have added that to the wiki, but opps TL;DR

P.S if someone does have proof that spider jockeys spawn in Spider dungeon spawners, please link it to me on meh talk page. :) Please respond soon.

Araimos 00:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)Araimos


 * Hi! Im pretty sure that only spiders can spawn with skeletons on them. I dont have any screenshot-proof, but i had world where i tested this because i wanted to know more about them. So I created 2 rooms one with Spider spawner and second with Skeleton spawner. I monitored theese rooms pretty long, and i saw around 8 Spider Jockeys in the Spider room, but I never saw Spider Jockey in skeleton room.             So the thing you found may be coincidence that spider spawned near skeleton with skeleton on it. Maybe presence of skeletons on place where spider spawns may increase the chance of Spider Jockey.

Patko0770 16:33, 16 August 2011 (UTC)Patko0770

Simplifying above, a skeleton doesnt have a chance to be riding a spider, it's the chance that a Spider has a skeleton rider. Emeraldisthetwilightgod 23:52, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

CrafterMan101 5:32 30 January 2012 (UTC) CrafterMan101

Having a spider jockey spawning near a group of skeletons dosn't prove a spider jockey is a morph of the skeleton mob and not the spider mob. Often times spiders spawn right next to skeletons. And that the skeletons attacked along with the speder jockey only means you got close enough to both of them.

Actually only spiders can spawn with skeletons on top--76.174.177.59 22:48, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Spawning Rate
Are we sure the spawn rate is 1%? My friends and I were camping in the desert, and we saw 3 Jockeys in 5 minutes. 152.157.78.145 19:24, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

You were probably just lucky. 114.42.228.134 04:32, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Fall damage?
How does fall damage affect Spider Jockeys? I suspect the skeleton is immune to fall damage, and the spider takes all the damage. 98.239.103.193 21:35, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Download single player commands and do /ride on a spider then use /tp with current coords just with higher height then see... or /spawnstack 84.1.103.10 22:40, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Yup, the spider takes all fall damage. :D

Spider Jockey
This rare mob is real, but hardly dangerous. I've seen a few of them before and killed it easily. Unless your on the easy difficulty I would not suggest hand to hand. Instead go for ranged attacks. First kill the skeleton rider, then quickly finish the spider with a sword. Based on where I have seen them, and other people have seen them they spawn mainly, but not always in desert biomes.

Spider jockey(cave)
Sometimes a skeleton can ride a cave spider. This can be rather annoying as the cave spiders venom and the bow(skeleton)make a dangerous mob(A rare one indeed). If the cave spider poisons you first the skeleton will quickly fire arrows at you(survival and hardcore).In creative the two separate mobs can be spawned but the skeleton WONT be riding the jockey. Tip:If you have around 10-20 wolves this still wont be easy(Puppies could help).


 * Can anyone confirm seeing one of these? From the code, it looks like spider jockeys only form when spiders spawn naturally, and not when they are created by mob spawners or spawn eggs. Since cave spiders don't spawn naturally, I don't think cave spider jockeys are possible without mods. -- Orthotope 09:19, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Considering the lack of evidence, I presume my reading of the 1.2.5 code is correct, and will update the page accordingly. -- Orthotope 03:07, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Wow
This wiki overstresses. I killed with my HAND! 69.249.8.247 15:13, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * you are a legitimate badass 50.200.55.158 13:04, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * :-), but yeah, they're annoying, but little worse than just meeting the two monsters together. The first time I ran into one, I was in a river while it was on the bank right next to me, and I managed to kill it quickly enough anyway.  That was a while ago, at the time I was a beginning player, and I'm not sure I even had proper armor.  --Mental Mouse 16:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

OMG you're BADASS! :D

Yo, Pengmunk, Moxxy, lay off the edit war.
If you want to argue about it, do it in this talk page, not the history page. For the record, "Wither Jockey" is terse and gives the right idea. As far as "technical correctness" goes, this is a game where we break eggs to hatch them, apples come from oak leaves, and farm animals are hermaphroditic. --Mental Mouse 18:18, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's not a bug...
Not COMPLETELY sure about this, but the Minecraft Explorer app has "Wither Jockeys" listed as a mob. It states that the Wither Jockey is the Nether equivalent of the Spider Jockey, and that the mob is still under development. It's seems like a reliable source, and the app is officially endorsed by Mojang. I think we should at least think about changing it. --{{User:GMario3826|GMario3826]]
 * Dude, I strongly suspect that the Explorer app is based partly on somewhat outdated Wiki content. Let's not get into a citation vortex here...  Unfortunately, I can't check because the new version requires iOS 4.3, which my old iPhone doesn't support. --Mental Mouse 00:04, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Many of the reference programs copy from the wiki, and not all of them give proper attribution. Unless they provide sources for information, I don't think any of them can be considered authoritative. Although Minecraft Explorer was endorsed by Mojang, they were not involved in developing it, so it's no more reliable or citable than any other app. -- Orthotope 11:45, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Xbox?
Are there Spider Jockeys in the Xbox 360 Edition? --97.84.149.235 22:40, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes there are but very rare!--76.174.177.59 22:49, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Chicken jockey
How about covering zombie or zombie pigman riding chicken in this article and renaming the article to just "Jockey"? Xeoxer (talk) 10:46, 27 December 2013 (UTC)