Talk:Cave Spider/Archive 2

Duration of venom
The introduction states that poison last for 5 seconds where as the side bar says 10 seconds. TheCoshMan.

Confirmation of Blue Spiders
He said blue spiders are smaller than normal spiders, which means blue spiders do exist. ( 06:41, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * ''Moved rest of this portion to Archive, please only discuss this on the Evidence Archive to avoid another huge war that blocks out any actual discussion on Blue Spiders. The only reason I left this part up is so people can see it and not instantly argue back about not having enough evidence.

'' 02:43, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

n/a
I didn't remove the link, I moved it to a reference. ( 04:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know. I said that later. Thanks for helping me get this page running. Know how to get it onto the mobs reference bar? –The preceding unsigned comment was added by (&#124;)  Please sign your posts with
 * Spoke too late :P Please sign your posts with ~ ( 04:06, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Merge?
Shouldn't this thread be merged with Spider, kinda like the electrocreeper? At least, when it comes out.


 * no, because unlike the charged creepers the blue spider isnt a form of the spider, they are different mobs, spiders dont turn into blue spiders.-- 14:33, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Blue Spider Jockeys?
Question: Does anyone think that there will be a Blue Spider Jockey? If so, then please tell me. (PS Just for fun, Blue Spider Endermen Jockeys? ULTIMATE FAIL/WIN.) -- 00:25, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, this talk page is big enough even without the speculation. If you would like to discuss things like this, use the forums -- 02:52, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: If you have ideas for the game, take it to the forums. Speculation is useless here -- 04:17, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * A hybrid of a monster that when it hurts you will suffer damage whilst being shot in the face with arrows/teleported rapidly towards? ...I'm sorry, but that is just HARDCORE written all over it. 01:18, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, the Cave Spiders are much smaller than normal ones, so they probably won't have Skeletons riding them. Also, think of the cramped environment they live in. - 21:19, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, tiny skeletons doing half damage and dropping 0-2 Bone Meals on death is a nice idea... infact, Notch should add Venom Sacks. I would add these suggestions to the Forums/Twitter, but I have neither accounts for each. 23:37, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

it is actually possible but only whit a mod use spawnstack cavespider skeleton and it should spawn


 * ok, im new to this, but it has been confirmed that there are already cave spider jockeys, there was a picture taken of one, not sure what we need to do about it, i will upload the picture later but what should i upload it to? cave spider or spider jockey? both --1:18pm feburary 1 2012

Delete/Archive War?
Now that Jeb has confirmed blue spiders (well there is still a little skepticism) should we delete/archive the whole "war" part of the page so that we can have actual discussions about the blue spider? Also, since the page is giving the size warning. 01:11, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ( 01:43, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In that case, Archived I only kept the "Confirmed" portion on so that people can see Jeb's post before starting another argument. 02:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: I added a note at the top of the page to make sure people don't flood this page with arguments just like last time. 02:33, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * After 1.8 comes out, I'll move that section to the Evidence page. ( 02:40, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

david/x's idea
Just a random question but didnt youtuber 'x' suggest these when people asked why he stopped playing minecraft in case people are being fooled by lighting anyone that read his post would remember he suggested blue posion spiders appearing in abandoned mineshafts underground might think they are blue when they really arent? –The preceding unsigned comment was added by ( . Please sign your posts with
 * 1. I have no idea what you are trying to say, type this again using better grammar.
 * 2. Sign your posts. 17:47, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

A letsplayer on youtube known as x or david once made a large blog post on what he wanted to see in minecraft in that post he mentions he wanted blue venomous spiders that spawned underground in mineshafts to be added to the game assuming they arent real someone could be using this as a hoax,if they are real people might be remembering this and along with the lighting in the supposed video people might be mistaking the spider for blue I. would suggest changing the name to something more to what it does like venomous spider I am not saying I think Notch stole his idea I'm just saying the name should be changed. 18:36, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


 * @Jeb_ replied "Yes" to if blue spiders were smaller. (http://twitter.com/jeb_/status/109093046452367360) I would assume he would've said they weren't blue spiders if they were anything else. -- {  }  19:46, 3 September 2011 (UTC)Th

Oh i hadn't noticed that post as i mainly check Notch's posts when something intresting comes out 07:39, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

"I have no idea what you are trying to say, type this again using better grammar." what he is saying is that X thought of the cave spider

Merge into s
I am proposing a merge into the page spiders. remember to use: , or. as well as.

so, I'll start. . I think this page should be merged into spiders. aside from poisoning ability, size and colour, it is identical. do we need a whole second page for what is a slightly modified spider that can poison? -- 18:21, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all, discussion doesn't include voting, so please don't encourage voting. I disagree with the merge, it's way too early to say this should be merged because there isn't enough information to have it's own page. You can't say this is "identical" and then list 3 ways that it's different. Let's let 1.8 get released and see exactly what this mob is before we start discussing merging the page. --   19:36, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * All you have to do is add around that "disagree" and you would be voting as well :P -- 02:10, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * . There may be more info released on how much different it is to a regular spider. Just how electrocreepers are barely different from normal creepers so they are on the same page, but giants and spider jockeys are vastly different from their regular counterparts. -- 20:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * And skeletons are identical to zombies aside from their appearance and ability to shoot arrows. :P  They're a seperate mob, they really deserve a seperate page.  I mean, heck, Spider Jockeys are literally a Skeleton riding a Spider - no difference from the normal mobs (to the point that it fights itself if the skeleton hits the spider) aside from being a "combo" mob - and that has its own page.  Besides, 1.8 isn't out yet, the art used at PAX could have been temporary or something.  They may end up looking completely different from normal Spiders at release, who knows... -- 20:16, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There's no reason at all to merge this page. Like Wynthyst said, you can't say it's identical and then list 3 ways they are the same. The electrocreeper, tame/hostile wolves and neutral/hostile spiders are on the same pages because they're different states of the same mob, which this doesn't seem to be. The BS has its own spawner, spawns in its own area, has a unique size, abilities, texture, and probably health, damage and a unique reward(such as venom sacs) will probably be added. The BS will never transform into a regular spider, nor vice-versa. It'll most likely be a more powerful spider that drops something unique, the aforementioned poison sacs seem accurate here, for a reward. It's like why the Spider Jockey isn't merged with the skeleton. The skeleton doesn't just climb onto the spider(but if it did, that would be very cool).
 * The blue spider is a different mob to the brown spider, the only real similarity is the model is the same. It doesn't change from one to the other so shouldn't be on the same page.
 * Different mob than the normal ones, keep as is. - 21:20, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The in-game data regards them as two different entities.

Cure for poison?
i think there should be some kind of cure for the blue spider venom 12:45, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone suggested milk on Jeb's twitter, and Jeb said it was a good idea. 14:47, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Temporary face pics?
I was wondering, since there is no official pics for the blue spider yet, if we could use these pics? 23:21, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Speculation, but I guess it will work for 3 days. ( 23:27, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll work on this. EDIT: Done. 23:57, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I may have a better picture, mostly because I used the 3D form of the Blue spider as a template (Not the current one, the one before) 23:32, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I recolored it to have a more blueish green look, like the current one. 21:38, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, but it does look good, doesn't it? 21:47, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What I mean is that I decided to make a new version myself, but recolor it so it looks like the current version, your's is fine though. 21:53, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The cave spider's in-game texture from the 1.8 pre-release can be found here, if anyone wants to upload the actual version. 「」· 04:39, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Name
Jeb called the blue spider the "Cave spider" http://twitter.com/jeb_/status/110991839804399616 Official name? 19:02, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I've (and, doubtless, a million other people) asked him; maybe he'll confirm it for us. 「」· 20:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * This is the first available naming by a Mojang employee, so the article needs to be renamed. - 22:41, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * With the update possibly only 24 hours away, we can check it ourselves when it comes out and save needless renames -- 01:11, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Regardless if it is a useless rename or not, this is a wiki and needs to be updated with the most recent and official names. Jeb called it a "cave spider", and although he aknowledges people call it a "blue spider" he has never said the name himself. "Blue spider" was only a placeholder until we got the correct name, which we have now. - 01:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I have the default texture pack and NEVER see cave spiders. I also have no mods cuz I cant install them the proper way.... So maybe it's just a perk of the texture pack you're using.

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New Thumbnail
I think we should probably try to get a better thumbnail of the cave spider for the mob template. The angle makes it's head block out it's body and the quality isn't as good as other ones. 19:01, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: I uploaded a new version with better quality, but it's at the wrong angle. It would be best to have an isometric version. 21:24, 10 September 2011 (

Rare?
I wouldn't classify them as rare, as every abandoned shaft has four or five spawners of them at least

Nerfed in 1.8-pre-2?
I updated to the latest jar file today, and found that I was no longer poisoned for a whole 15 seconds from a single bite. It's more like five seconds now, but I haven't measured exactly.
 * I'll take a look, EDIT: You are right. In-fact, it looks like there have been more changes as well, I will try to update as fast as I can. 04:05, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Nerfed more in 1.4?
Playing in 1.4 (on a server I set up, so I know it is just the latest vanilla server), I managed to fall into a swarm of 5 or 6 cave spiders, which failed to poison me even once. Has anyone else had this happen? 06:21, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * What difficulty is your server set to? They don't poison players on Easy. -- 06:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Erk..
Can someone revert my changes? I derped. - 03:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure. EDIT: reverted. 03:49, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Similarity to Poison Headcrabs from HL2
Kind of a reach, but I couldn't help but notice that Cave Spiders' poison works similarly to that of the Poison Headcrabs from Half-Life 2, which instantly but temporarily brings the player to the lowest unit of health without killing him. Since Notch seems to be familiar with internet pop culture, is it possible Cave Spiders were inspired at least in part by Poison Headcrabs, or is the relation too tenuous to consider? 01:52, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

A lot of games have that kind of poison. I wouldn't draw to conclusions. -- 21:32, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Stuck in cobwebs
The wiki currently says they aren't affected by webs, and my friend said he's seen this to be true... but I've personally witnessed giant masses of cobwebs with Cave Spiders tangled up in them right next to their spawners. Is there something else causing them to get stuck or is the wiki wrong? 20:31, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

That could be either a glitch or the spiders climbing up the webs or adjacent walls of their own volition. 01:52, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * They seem to frequently get stuck in small areas, make sure the area is well lit and remove all obstacles from the spawner besides cobwebs, then see what happens. Make sure that they are not actually getting stuck on their own spawner as that can happen as well.  ☁ ☂  ☁ 02:03, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

How best to fight them?
I'm kinda surprised that the wiki page doesn't have any tips on how to take down the spawners. I have a really hard time eliminating the spawners (honestly, the Cave Spiders are the only mobs I really fear fighting), any suggestions? 15:52, 15 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The simplest and safest way to get to a cave spider spawner to destroy it is to use the tactical advantage provided to you by the mineshaft its self. Never forget that the name of this game is MineCraft.  While any enemy can be defeated by getting a really big sword and strong armor, they can also be defeated far more easily - and safely - by crafting your environment to work for you and against them. In the case of the cave spider, while it is very small and capable of wiggling through any gap you can, and some you can't, it is still possible to arrange blocks such that you can attack it, but it can't attack you.  To do so, place any solid block in in front of the opening to one of the wooden archways in the mineshaft containing the spawner to form a blockade, like so:
 * Top View, Side View, and Front View:


 * (Note: I use torches instead of fences to represent a view of the fence posts unattached to any other blocks.)
 * Notice that the blockade blocks are not in line with the arch. This is important, if it was in line with the arch the fence posts would attach to the block and form a solid barrier that you can't attack through. Having the block offset by one creates a small diagonal gap through which you can still hit the cave spider, but the spider - If You Stand Far Back Enough - can not bite you.  Do Not Use Fence Posts, as this will create a diagonal gap wide enough for one cave spider to shove another cave spider through.
 * You can now attack the cave spiders without them being able to return the favor, allowing you to kill them faster than the spawner can breed them.Once you've finished off all the cave spiders on the other side of the blockade, move up to it and place two more blocks on the far side of the archway in mirror fashion to the current set up. You can now remove the first set of blocks as the second set will keep the spiders from you.  Dart back and kill the few that will have spawned while you did this, then move forward again and block off the next archway leading to the spawner.  Progress in this manner until you are able to reach the spawner and destroy it.-- 23:46, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Progression Down Mineshaft (Top View):


 * (Note: Each previous blockade would be destroyed after the next one is built.)


 * Block off every passages to the spawner and dig around it.
 * For destroying it? Dig up to directly above the spawner, poke a hole in the ceiling, pour lava into it while destroying the spawner.-- 13:53, 16 October 2011 (UTC) This will not work, lava doesn't destroy spawners. -- 23:46, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Build a wall 1 block in front of the spawner. Light up your side of the wall, then dig the block of the wall that the spawner is leaning up against. Destroy the spawner through that gap. No spiders should spawn on your side of the wall because it is bright (note i haven't tried this myself, just came up with it then.


 * -- 00:07, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Cave spider farm
Due to the fact that cave spiders cannot pass trough two open doors (like shown in the screenshot), it is possible to make secure entrances to spawners and to drown efficiently. This is very useful if one plans to make a farm with 3 cave spider spawners, that share one point within a radius of 16 blocks, whitch might occour.

2 text speak against each other
at the text it says that the venom lasts 5 sec, but at the right (the information about the cave spider) the say that the venom lasts 10 sec. whats right and what not?

Sorry for the grammer errors. 16:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

The real-world counterpart
In the article, Poecilotheria metallica is mentioned but there are some other blue species as well, such as Haplopelma lividum 22:51, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Evidence? At this point?
Why is there still a section for discussing evidence of these guys when they've been around for about three updates already? 23:52, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

xp farming efficiency
Hello, fellow minecrafters. How about some numbers, what's the xp dropped by one cave spider? Will their xp farm produce more mobs than regular spider spawner one, given the same area and height? (regular ones require 2x2x2, which is more likely to collide with walls and ceiling if crossing the spawn parallelepiped) What's their preferred height - do they need the same 2 high clear spots?

I'm just thinking if I'd better build a normal spider farm of search for some abandoned mine shaft ;) –Preceding unsigned comment was added by  16:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC). Please sign your posts with

EXP Farms with these are an utter waste of time. The dont drop any more EXP than normal spiders. 04:56, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

The 'History' Section
I dont really think we should have that there. it dosnt have any information that directly relates to cave spiders 05:06, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I fail to see how the version they were added in is "irrelevant". -- 07:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

This is the destination for "Poison"?
The redirect for Poison leads to, which header I had removed. I've put it back, but really, that needs a better place. Perhaps, since we don't have anchors in the table there? -- 22:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)