Talk:Herobrine/Archive 3

IMPORTANT
I want to keep this page tidy and clean. Thus, I took the liberty to move any nonsense comments about herobrine existing to Talk:Herobrine/removed|Removed comments. Herobrine's existence IS NOT open for discussion, he does not exist. Period. Please respect the facts and stop posting fake sightings. -- | TheKax |   Talk   16:16, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've just removed them altogether. that is spam, ans should never have been left there. --Kizzycocoa 16:44, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks, that's good. I didn't just want to remove them completely, I didn't want to be too harsh for being just a normal member. The admin hath spoken! :P -- | TheKax |   Talk   16:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Herobrine started as a rumor, there was a white-eyed version of Steve (the Minecraft standard skin) walking around on the edge of the fog, staring at the player, and then walking away.

It was never known if Notch actually implemented this feature.

However, with update 1.6.6 on May 31st 2011 the changelog mentioned removing the illusive feature altogether.
 * facepalm* can't people get a joke? there is no such thing as Herobrine! notch said that he removed him as a joke!!! and sig you'r posts pls... --Yurisho 15:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

In most wikis, anything that is "notable" gets a page. Why not add this page, with a clear header indicating it is a joke, and with factual information such as:

Herobrine was the subject of a persistent urban legend centered around Minecraft. The persistent stories held that Minecraft hid a human NPC by the name Herobrine. The NPC was alleged to build its own mines and homes, and to haunt, taunt, or observe the player in SSP. Although Notch frequently stated Herobrine was a false rumor, he often played along, fanning the flames with tongue-in-cheek twitter posts. In version 1.6.6, he attempted once again to lay the rumor to rest in a tongue-in-cheek manner, by officially declaring that Herobrine had been removed from the game. It is currently unknown whether Herobrine was always a joke, or whether such an ultra-rare NPC did, at one time, exist in the game.

I'm not trying to jump into a delete war here, but Notch is obviously in on the joke, and the topic definitely has notability. And, Herobrine has of course now made it into the changelog, lending further weight to a purpose for this page. TheNthDoctor 17:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree, herobrine is a good part of the game because of it being a sort of minecraft mystery and deserves a page,i mean no matter what people will still hear about it, and by deleting wiki pages and forum posts your just making the myth seem even more true because of the bit about posts being deleted on the forum.--Higbey 18:14, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI, I am still in full favour of this page (that's not a thing that stopped happening), despite being demoted twice for it. and I really hope you guys can come up with a way to make the page eligable, which I believe means showing admins, specifically quatro, that the page is noteworthy and needed.


 * (like the fact many do not know who he is until they see it, and the fact that we have a page for lanterns which were only mentioned, as herobrine once was. in fact, it's the same situation, if you think about it. only it has more history. and the fact the polish wiki has one but has a disclaimer etc. etc. etc.) --Kizzycocoa 18:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I looked into the Herobrine story again and noticed a few things: 1) The screenshot contains a chicken. Chickens weren't added to multiplayer until      v1.0.17. But the player was on v1.0.16_02.     2) The version v1.0.16_02 never existed. The version history goes from v1.0.16_01 to      v1.0.17. Could someone please clarify for me. --Halo Guru 05:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It is possible that it was a test version. Also, it is stated that he was in SP, not MP. --SN777 Divinus 22:05, 09 July 2011 (MT)

Please, add the interwiki to the Russian page - Хиробрин --Teksel 13:39, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit Copy
Since only admins can edit this page, can we have an edit copy just like for the main page? We could have rules for this page like these:
 * No sightings
 * No fan-sites

Drenay 22:26, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm just happy the way the page is right now. DarkBlade 02:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, this isn't too important, but if some admin wishes, he could make the rest two mentions of notch in those chats links. Not important, but useful. -- | TheKax |   Talk   07:36, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree with DarkBlade. I feel glad that the page exists because it has major significance amongst the minecraft community. HOWEVER, it should remain locked because it has all the information it needs. If it was unlocked or had any sort of copy, it would instantly become flooded with "sightings" about how herobrine jumped out of their computer and started spawning perfectly square pieces of sand in their room or some other ridiculous tall tale, they would crop up so often and in such numbers that it would be almost impossible to completely suppress them. It details the original picture, notch's statements on it, and that it does not exist. When I first read this article (I was not on minecraft long enough to hear of Herobrine), I was perfectly satisfied, and felt that it wasn't missing anything. As far as I've heard, Herobrine was not in the source code, and the only development of npcs that perform such lifelike tasks (let alone place and destroy blocks) are for the NPC villages in 1.8. EDIT: With the "Endermen" screenshot recently released, I think this mob may fullfill the purpose of Herobrine, as they seem to be able to place/destroy blocks, while also appearing very sinister. If there is anything even vaguely Herobrine-like in minecraft, it's this mob. Another reason to wait for 1.8! :3 Mybabypetghast 04:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

<!-- == Sighting == Hello, I just spotted Herobrine on our server (running 1.6.6) when nobody else was on. He appeared in our town with the Herobrine name tag above him and stood there for about an hour, then walked off into the desert just outside our town wall and dug a hole. I followed him down the hole which went redstone torch-ladder-redstone torch-ladder, etc. When I got close he was watching me and said "I have something for you." then when I reached the bottom I saw some diamond ore and he disappeared filling the cave in (I had invinsibility on, otherwise it would have suffocated and killed me). There was no trace of him or his hole afterwards.

I Googled around and what I saw seems pretty consistent of Herobrine sightings. There is a division between people who have had the experience and those who haven't and claim Herobrine is a hoax and that we're all liars.

I can understand the viewpoint that Herobrine doesn't exist and that all the sightings are fake because that was my view a couple of hours ago. I also understand that there's no way for me to convince you that Herobrine exists unless you experience it for yourself.

This article is biased towards a skeptic's point of view and most of the article is on if he exists or not, but not on Herobrine himself. With enough stories on the Internet of him being spotted I think merits some seriousness to using the article to show conditions that he's likely to appear in and his behaviour.

I can't convince you he exists but we could at least put something along the lines of "Herobrine is widely believed to be a hoax except by those who claim to see him" which opens the article to talking about Herobrine himself and not just if he is real or not. --MessiahAndrw 03:35, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * He doesn't exist. End. Of. Story. There's absolutely no code in Minecraft to spawn him, plus Minecraft would require much better AI for a mob to be capable of doing what you've described. It's simply a player who is trolling you. – ultradude25 ( T at 05:42, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't the only player on my server who has encountered Herobrine (he only appears when you're alone on the server) but I am suspecting it is the [ http://forums.canarymod.net/showthread.php?tid=345 iloveyou] bukkit plugin and not part of vanilla Minecraft. I had another random encounter today while I was alone, but this time he told me "come here" and when I followed him he disappeared and told me "Only god can help you now." as the tunnel started to fill in. (I also took plenty of screenshots of this).

The AI logic doesn't seem that complex. I never actually saw him 'walk' so on my second encounter I paid more attention. He only moved when I wasn't looking at him, so I suspect he just jumps to another spot at random. All he does is say a line, dig down and wait for you, say another line, disappear and then undo what he just dug out.

Also as a programmer myself, I've seen some truly amazing things done with obfuscated code that looks otherwise innocent, so even if we had access to the source it doesn't mean it's not there (I'm just saying, even though now I'm sure it's the above mentioned plugin). --MessiahAndrw 12:33, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

MessiahAndrw we have acces to all the coding skins and everything that makes minecraft work. I have serched through all the files in minecraft including all the ones that have no effect on minecraft like the 11 unused music files. In this search i have found nothing related to Herobrine in all the files.

I have a theory its a pretty wierd one but its about Herobrine and its origin. It goes like this. As that Herobrine was Noch's brother yet has unfortanitly died before he died he could of accesed the minecraft files allowing him to change anything about the game.

Herobrine might have inserted the files of a intellegent AI mob that has the skin of a normal character with white eyes insted and only stays around fog lines and creates loads of stuctures that are in reality.(I think the first story of Herobrine is the only real sighting of Herobrine, becouse all other sightings he only has white eyes yet in the first one it had golden eyes.)

A few of the vidios on youtube about him have him luring you into a long corridor made of a unkown material that cannot be broken and when you look away from the entrance and you look back it sealed untill your in one room and you look up then you see Herobrine falling and kills you. This is more than likely to be an online hoax becouse no normal npc/mob/AI can perform something like this exept it might not be becouse the area in unbreakable and back to my theory he could have added anything creating a new unknown material to do this.

--destinaxe 20:43, 10 July 2011 (GMT) -->

I'm not used to adding things like this and I must also admit I haven't really looked for someone else to mention it, but in the Herobrine page at the bottom, it says: He was also stated to have been removed in 1.7, as well as 1.7_01, this time with no reason apparent. The reason is obvious, look at the bottom line of the image. It says: removed Herobrine. http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:1.7_changelist.png Herkio 08:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I wrote a paper on Herobrine, I must say you saying he doesn't exist is your opion, anyways I wrote a paper on the two most know case of Herobrine the removal and the two for one special this weekend could you add it. TheProofIsOnPaper

Tagging.
Personally I think this page should keep the "S for Skeleton" tag on it, as it's really just a joke. Timberdoodle 19:48, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

A new twitter
this twitter might be worth putting in the article somewhere.--Yurisho 08:13, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Already known, no need to add. -- | TheKax |   Talk   09:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

"Endermen"
The "Enderman" mob seen in a screenshot released by Notch seems an awful lot like Herobrine. They are humanoid, sinister and seem to be able to place/destroy blocks. Does anyone think they should get some mention on this page? Mybabypetghast 22:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No. until confirmed, they are not any relation to Herobrine. --Kizzycocoa 22:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with Kizzy, no mention should be added. Though, I must admit, the blank white eyes immediately reminded me of Herobrine :P | TheKax |   Talk   14:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Understood. Just a question, didn't notch express some desire to add something herobrine-ish? I remember hearing something about it but I can't remember if it's true or not. But even if this is it, there's no proof so I guess you couldn't put that in there. Mybabypetghast 21:16, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Wow
so who died to finally let this be made on minepedia?  A NNOYING  11:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha. | TheKax |   Talk   14:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Me partially, but Quatro had his share of hurt over this issue, what with spam. --Kizzycocoa 14:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Name change
I think the name of this page should be changed to "The Herobrine Hoax", it's catchier, and it immediately clarifies that Herobrine, is, in fact, not real. --AlixeTiir 06:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The usual convention is to name things by their actual name, and possibly as short as possible, and letting the article to explain it in depth. I think we should keep it like that, but a redirect from that title could be possible, but probably useless, since people looking for info on herobrine will just probably type in "Herobrine". [[Image:TK.gif]]  | TheKax |   Talk   14:35, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * "The Herobrine Hoax" would be a nice title for a report, but not for a wiki page. When you search for herobrine, you don't type in "The Herobrine Hoax", you type in "Herobrine". Mybabypetghast 21:24, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Possible proof?
In some official Minecraft logos (Such as Wedding Weekend Logo and the mojang.minecon.com logo), behind Notches character, you can actually see HIM. Is this proof that he is real?


 * Why are people even still discussing if he's real or not? There is no proof to look for, he doesn't exist, end of story. Vanilla Minecraft doesn't even have the capability to create a mob like Herobrine. – ultradude25 ( T at 07:11, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Look, if he wasn't in the games source coding, he could not exist. And if you'd look at the top of this discussion page, you would see that HEROBRINE'S EXISTENCE IS NOT OPEN FOR DISCUSSION! Mybabypetghast 21:19, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

NonVannila Server Clients
If you search around youtube for a little bit, you'll soon find SMP server clients that provide ways to "summon" Herobrine. In vanilla Minecraft, you'll NEVER find him as of now, but in SMP clients, there are gags that make herobrine appear when you summon him (he then lights you on fire) or when there's no one on at nighttime (ingame) Would it be possible to include these in the article with a disclaimer saying, "This is not supported by Mojang or it's affiliates, as it is third-party software," or something? Btw, I'm typing this on my Nook Color, so it's tough to do paragraphs.


 * There are several Herobrine mods, including some fairly well-made ones using the Bukkit API. I personally think that those mods should be featured in this article and it be given the modding category.  Given this article's history, though, I'm not going to push it. --Theothersteve7 19:32, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Humans not removed
When Notch joked that he removed Herobrine, the Human mob wasn't removed - its behaviour (being spawnable with mods and agressive) and existence within the game's code (having no class or skin) never changed. This was discussed a lot on the Human's talk page, but I think it should be raised here. -- Carralpha 16:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)