Talk:Flower Pot

Where from?
Where is this information from? whizzer0 14:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't know. Spencer10APSC 15:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Reddit and twitter. --M0rphzone(talk) (*How to remove sidebar*) 23:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Functionality questions
I'm guessing that potted saplings don't grow (that could be awkward), but that looks suspiciously like a two-block cactus in the pic. Do cactus and sugar cane grow in pots? (Can sugar cane be potted? Clearly sand isn't an issue, but water might be.)  Also, would the cactus damage players or mobs that brush against it? --Mental Mouse 13:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Sugar cane cannot be planted on flower pots. Cactus could grow but it won't damage any mobs near it. Noobnathan 21:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Nothing grows. --Spy227X 21:36, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Crafting Recipe
The crafting recipe is three bricks arranged in a V. I don't know how to add that to the page, someone might want to add it. --Minecraftdino 16:18, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Naturally Generated Flower Pot
The wiki page of Swamp Hut shows a flower pot with a red mushroom. Should it be added in this page?115.193.129.250 11:24, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Renewable
Doesnt the fact that it generats in swamp huts make it renewable 74.98.182.183 23:55, 27 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No, because it only generates once per swamp hut, and there are a limited number of huts. -- Orthotope 09:05, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Data Storage
As flower pots are not a tile entity, they store their current plant or lack thereof in their damage value. 0 for empty, 1 for red flower, 2 for yellow, etc... I feel this is worth adding to the article. Sokkerking12345 (talk) 13:08, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Damage Values
When did Acacia and Dark Oak exist in flower pots with damage values? When Damage Values were used instead of title entities, they both did not exist. --KnightMiner (talk 02:13, 22 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Data values are still supported in 1.7, probably to avoid breaking old worlds. For example,  will produce a flower pot with a Dark Oak sapling in it. This also creates the corresponding tile entity. Pre-existing flower pots aren't automatically converted to use tile entities until something is placed in them. -- Orthotopetalk 06:52, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Rules and Style Guide conflict
Ok, so I've found an issue with the current Style Guide, which specifies that "[t]he video section contains the video produced on the Minecraft Community Spotlight YouTube Channel by Curse". According to recent rollbacks here, it is implied that the video section may only contain that. However, the Flower Pot video in particular conflicts with a rule seen at least three times in the rules followed by the Minecraft Wiki: number 5 of the Wiki Rules, "Harassment, insults, ad hominem is [sic] not allowed on the wiki"; sentence 1, paragraph 2, heading "Content" of the Minecraft EULA, "... it must not be offensive to people ..."; and bullet 2 of the Essential Requirements in the Mojang Brand Guidelines, "[must] NOT be ... offensive"; in addition to YouTube's bullet 6 of the Don't Cross The Line list in its Community Guidelines, "... we do not permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status and [sic] sexual orientation/gender identity".

I don't have permission to change the actual video linked through /Flower Pot/video, and apparently editing the Video section of /Flower Pot is forbidden as well. This means that, through mcspotlight's monopoly of the wiki videos (which generally would not be bad), the wiki breaks its own rules, and that rule-breaking loop can't be broken without breaking more rules. I attempted to swap out the video for a non-bigoted video of the same nature, but that was rolled back – which is technically correct to do, according to the Style Guide, though it specifies that the article layout (under which the videos rule is specified) can have exceptions.

I, for one, would assume that the Rules take precedence over the Style Guide concerning what is appropriate for use on the wiki. The Style Guide states that its rules can have exceptions, but doesn't explicitly mention the application of the Rules to it. Three further sets of rules, however – two of which are followed by this wiki, per the Rules – support that the video should not be used.

Given all this, what should happen concerning our Rules, the Style Guide, and this page, especially with respect to the video?

Emeryradio (talk) 00:06, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Can you explain what exactly is so offensive about this video? None of the comments on Youtube have mentioned anything problematic about it. -- Orthotopetalk 02:43, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Only the curse video is allowed on the video section for consistency among pages, to avoid the sections being clogged up with videos and to ensure a high standard of videos. As far as I can see, the Curse videos are not at all biased and do not insult or harass any group of people. The actual linked page is protected to prevent it from being changed. –Goandgoo ᐸ Talk Contribs Edits 03:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I would assume he is referring to the opening joke about teenagers. --KnightMiner  (t 16:15, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's the root of the problem. Emeryradio (talk) 03:35, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I personally do not find the opening joke vary offensive. If you find it so offensive that the video must be removed, please do not replace it with one that is outside of the style guide, just remove it completely for that reason. The main reason the videos are all made by one channel is to prevent people from just adding their own videos because it is "better" then the previous one, and making an exception for a single video on a single page will lead to a lot of trouble. --KnightMiner  (t 17:31, 16 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, I did that. Thank you.

I'd like to clarify something here, because I've recently been told about my being an "incessant (derogatory word for a homosexual man) prick" about this situation. (Not naming names). Replace the word "teenagers" with almost any other descriptor of a people – say, African-Americans. OH MY GOD, THIS VIDEO IS NOW SO FREAKING RACIST. But as soon as teenagers' lives are called into question, it's all cool – "yes", the average adult would say, "let's continue institutionalising bias against teenagers! We did it to homosexuals and prostitutes, and we can do it again to these powerless little brats as usual." Someone has to realise that this is not okay, and that it's time to stop treating us like an inferior species. Now hop off your chauvinistic bandwagon and learn how to respect. Emeryradio (talk) 23:24, 18 August 2014 (UTC)