User talk:Hower64

Capitalization
I wrote a reply on my talk page. —kpreid 13:01, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Btw, one of the reasons why many of the common nouns are capitalized (e.g., the Player and Wooden Planks) is because the article titles are capitalized. It's easier and faster to directly link to the article name instead of involving a bunch of redirects. And I'd rather not do a bunch of unnecessary piping, and just leave it as is. I sort of consider them to be proper nouns because they are in-game things with specific names (tooltips), and aren't really like real-world counterparts. Edit: I'm going to go check the tooltips to see if they really are capitalized; if they aren't then there's going to be a lot of page renaming. - Asterick6 (talk) 01:02, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Update: Er yea, the reason why the article names are capitalized is because the tooltips are caps as well. Maybe we could tell Mojang to lowercase them, but I don't really care much about this. - Asterick6 (talk) 01:04, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


 * What's wrong with the player and wooden planks? Doesn't that redirecting occur in every redirect on Wikipedia anyway?
 * If you're are talking about the tooltips that come up when you mouse over an item they are obviously capitalized because they aren't part of a sentence and they're on their own. However, in the patch notes that come up in the launcher and everywhere else, item names aren't capitalized. Hower64 01:13, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Hower, since you are updating and saving the pages anyways, just pipe the links to point directly to the article instead of making them all redirect. It takes little effort to do. - Asterick6 (talk) 04:46, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you say so. Hower64 04:56, 11 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Well if you want to fix them go ahead, but try to use piped links instead of redirects. I just think it's better to arrive directly at the target page instead of being redirected unnecessarily. - Asterick6 (talk) 01:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The wiki automatically capitalizes the first letter of page names; wood and Wood are equivalent, so you never need to have . However, wooden plank needs a redirect or piped link to reach Wooden Plank. A compromise might be to put only links in title case (and preferably only link terms the first time they're used in an article), but that has the same old problem of appearing inconsistent. I don't see any ideal solution to this; having redirects for multiple-word pages is the least effort for editors, as many of them already exist. I'm not sure about how much they affect performance/server load, but Wyntyst or one of the other admins should know. -- Orthotope 01:46, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


 * (Yes I already knew about wikilinking since I started editing Wikipedia more than a year ago). I've heard that redirecting may cause servers to be slightly slower, but Ultradude says there's pretty much no difference. Editing the article to fix existing links causes more server load than using the redirect/original link. Having consistent and proper style/capitalization is more important anyways. - Asterick6 (talk) 02:53, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Off-topic content
Hey Hower, when you remove off-topic content, make sure to move/merge it into the intended article. In the case of emerald, the content would be moved/merged to the Emerald Ore article. - Asterick6 (talk) 00:51, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, thanks for reminding me! Hower64 00:58, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

History
Hey, also make sure not to leave out the details when you're converting to the template as well. For example, you removed the part about the Zombie Pigman never forgiving the player when they were initially added in 1.2.0. This causes the reader to lose context about the changes. - Asterick6 (talk) 01:13, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Another example: you didn't include the content about cow horns being added to the texture. Make sure not to leave stuff out when converting! Thanks for starting the conversion process though. - Asterick6 (talk) 03:38, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I fixed the cow page, thanks! Hower64 06:01, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice one! You found a screenshot for it. - Asterick6 (talk) 06:04, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Upcoming section
Hey Hower, make sure you get the versions in the correct section because you're putting already-released snapshot versions into the upcoming section. Check Version history/Development versions whenever you aren't sure if the snapshot was officially released yet. Thanks - Asterick6 (talk) 23:18, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: Article style
I have been working with wikis for several years, learning standard wiki format and rules from administrators strict in such policies. Since I came to this wiki, I would correct names in this fashion on most pages I edit. Having talked to administrators about edits whilst making such edits, they did not give notice. Considering how such naming complicates multi-word article hyperlinks, it would be more efficient to keep correct capitalization. Furthermore, these are names. I was not badly reverting your edits - More so, undoing specific parts of your edit since they directly conflicted the way I had articles previously. I could change this over the entire wiki, but this would of course take an excessive amount of time and difficulty considering the amount of activity here.

On the subject of Gallery placement, standard wiki policy dictates that Galleries go below above Trivia sections. I have discussed this directly with administrators, and although no preference was given, they were fine with moving Galleries in this fashion. Although I have not been able to do this correction on all articles as of yet, I will correct this on any article I come to edit. This error is very widespread on this wiki, but it can not be simply searched to find all instances, which is why it is still so prevalent. MegaScience 05:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * By 'below' you mean after right? As in gallery after trivia - which is the opposite of what you did. On the subject of capitalization however I wouldn't say that it's 'correct capitalization' to capitalize every in-game item because Mojang never does that. The inconvenience of piping every multi-worded link isn't that big in my opinion; it's not even entirely important. It would actually be more efficient to de-capitalize everything because most of the wiki currently treats in-game items as common nouns. Hower64 06:09, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Most of the Gallery sections I moved were originally put there by you. Therefore, by your argument, they should stay the way I put them until agreement can be made. Do you accept this? I will only revert the ones you had originally placed. MegaScience 07:32, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? How is anyone going to reach an agreement if you haven't told anyone about your views on the style guide talk page. Besides, as you said yourself, "standard wiki policy dictates that Galleries go below Trivia sections". I'm just following standard procedure, you are the one who is changing stuff around without telling anyone else. Hower64 08:24, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry. Thanks for pointing out that error. Anyway, I spoke with Ultradude25 on the IRC:


 *  It seems to make sense for the gallery to be above trivia
 *  Since trivia is sort of a after thought section: "and by the way, here's some other interesting stuff"


 * I understand this is not consensus. MegaScience 08:43, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with either one I suppose, consistency is all that really matters. Hower64 09:42, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

About Snow Golem trivia
The trivia was not stating "They are snowmen," it was saying "In the code, despite being named Snow Golems by the game, they are named 'SnowMan' in the code."

a(sb.class, "MushroomCow", 96, 10489616, 12040119); a(z.class, "SnowMan", 97); a(zr.class, "Ozelot", 98, 15720061, 5653556);

I wasn't sure about adding it back, but that trivia has been there since around the time the players had access to them, and I don't see why we need to remove it. But I won't undo you - I already undid that IP. Do you get what I mean though? MegaScience 12:14, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You do realize that it was duplicated trivia right? The exact same thing is said at the beginning of the trivia section. Whether or it is good enough trivia is debatable I guess though after seeing so much bad trivia on this wiki I've come to follow the Team Fortress wiki's trivia guidelines as we have none. Specifically one of the examples they use of poor trivia:

Hower64 12:31, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't notice it was a duplicate. MegaScience 12:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)