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Achievement Images
Heyo, I recently decided to start working on changing the images for the achievements to what they look like now, rather than what they used to look like on PC Edition. I now have all the images required ready for upload but that's where the problem is. As much as I'd love to say "I have uploaded more than 102 of the images used on the wiki", there'll still be much difficult actually uploading all 102 images. I could proceed to upload these images seperately, but what I'm thinking we could do is (if possible) create a template similar to InvSprite.png, and then use that, so that we would have all 102 achievements in just 1 file. So, what I'm asking here is, is it possible to create a template for it similar to InvSprite.png, and if it is, is that what we should do? LevitatingSheep (talk) 10:59, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Templates have other benefits too, like reducing the number of image requests from the browser to the server. With the setup we have at the moment, it requires them all to be the same size. Are all the images the same size? And what size is that? It occurs to me that PlayStation and Xbox and pocket and wiiu trophies might be different sizes and different visual styles. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 17:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * All the images are the same size except for "Collect All Trophies" achievement for PlayStation, which can easily be downscaled. The images are all 188x188(except PS Trophy one) and should(if possible, i still dont know how it sprite sheets work) be displayed as 47x47 on the page, Sealbudsman. -- LevitatingSheep (talk) 16:39, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * there's now a AchievementSprite template that takes 188x188 images and displays them by default at 47x47. You can go ahead and use the Edit Sprite button at the top of that page to 1. change the image and name from 'dummy' to a real advancement and 2. upload the rest of the advancements. I would recommend using an all-lowercase name with spaces instead of dashes, that directly matches the actual achievement name, for instance, bake-bread or getting-an-upgrade.  It will make it easier to integrate with Achievements.
 * From there me or someone can figure out how to integrate it with Achievements. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 20:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Cool, I'll work on getting the images stiched together into a sheet now, thanks! LevitatingSheep (talk) 04:44, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand, the images are individual. The sprite editor stitches them together. –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 07:10, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Well then I still don't quite understand. What am I supposed to do now? (also, sry for late reply, wiki kept telling me I was having "session problems") LevitatingSheep (talk) 16:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * If you go to the AchievementSprite page, there's a button at the top, Edit Sprite. It puts the page into a different edit mode, a sprite-sheet editing mode. Using that method you don't have to edit the module file that hooks up the sprites to their names, and you don't have to do any image editing of the larger sprite sheet itself. You just upload individual sprites and name them, one at a time.
 * Once in Edit Sprite mode, scroll to where (right now) it says "dummy". That's a placeholder name I put there, that refers to position 1. Click on the image and a menu will come up, it will have an option like "upload new image". Then you would pick the file from your computer. To rename a sprite, just click it's name and type.
 * To add new ones, there's a button on the green bar named "new image". Each additional achievement can be uploaded and named this way. You can upload all 102 if you want, and preview the names you want to give them, before hitting Save, up in the green bar.
 * Gamepedia is going to have some issues where after you save, it's not going to show you the new image and sprites until it works its way through the cache, which can take a number of hours. That is the case whether using the sprite editor or not. – Sealbudsman talk/contr 20:21, 21 June 2017 (UTC)


 * In case it isn't clear: you can select multiple images at once, or just use drag and drop, it doesn't need to be done one-by-one. The sprite names will be whatever the file names are (minus extension), so you can save yourself some time by appropriately naming the files before adding them. –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 07:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * M'kay I did it right this time. But how do I add it to the Achievements page? LevitatingSheep (talk) 07:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I just done adding it into the page. But all I see is just a tiny little-sprite and a blank image all around the place. I don't know what's going on. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 11:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Cache is what's going on, but my cache problems seem to have cleared up now. LevitatingSheep (talk) 22:58, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Just got cleared up for me. But at the AchievementSprite appears to be an error, and the icon were offset from its original image. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 23:07, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Well it appears that cache is still going on, and that IP addresses seem to have a lot to do with it. When I said they looked fine to me, I was visiting my grandma, and then when I've come home, they're not only still caching, but also appear distorted. So I went back to my grandma's to get my theory confirmed and yup, it's some serious cache issues that is going on rn. LevitatingSheep (talk) 10:26, 24 June 2017 (UTC)


 * That's just your client-side cache, hitting F5 on the page will fix that. We're talking about cloudflare's server-side image cache (that we have no control over), which is completely separate. –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 11:06, 24 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I would support a sprite sheet. There may be other times when a bunch of sprites need updating at once. The BlobsPaper.png 22:04, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * What kind of image? The icon itself, or with the plain like File:The Deep End.png? If without the plain, the sprite scale must be 32×32. Nvm, but achievement will be useless now. – ItsPlantseed ⟨₰|₢⟩ 05:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, technically redundant since all pages use either achievementSprite or advancement. Since the functionality is practically the same, would there be any issues with just redirecting it to advancement? Otherwise it can be marked deprecated and eventually deleted. – KnightMiner  · (t) 20:10, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Error: String exceeds 1,000 character limit.
Just like at Mods -> Crash Report. Probably remove the character limit? DentedHarp90041tc 10:49, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Blobs2@undefined: this is not about the game or a mod, this is about the error that used to be displayed on the page due to the report being entirely fed to a parser function with this limit in Template:Cr. Special:Diff/1113606 should have removed that restriction, but may have re-added another bug (that parser function was added in Special:Diff/372264, see the summary of that edit).
 * The character limit is likely a server configuration value. If it's a recent change, and other pages using the template would be displaying errors as well, some sort of action is most likely necessary. --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 15:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Its worth noting that the recent commit is adding a useless default, it only is useful within the  as it is escaping dashes. I switched the template to use   instead of the pre tag though and it seems to work fine now without needing to escape at all. – KnightMiner  · (t) 16:41, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Porting templates with variables to Scribunto
If a template is using  and   to store state for subsequent invocations, is it possible to port the template to Scribunto without modifying its syntax? This would require setting some sort of page state in Lua code, and I can't find anything for that in LUAREF.

And another (somewhat related) question: can there be technical reasons not to port a template to Scribunto? --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 21:06, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Edit: missed that  has return values. --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 00:21, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Scribunto isn't good for small, simple templates, due to the overhead of invoking the lua engine hundreds of times on a page not being outweighed by the performance and readability improvements afforded to more complex code, especially that which is only used a few times on a page. –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 04:43, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Templates that use variables to pass state between them can be converted to Lua, but only by either converting them to a single-transclusion usage, or by requiring the state to be passed in the transclusion; you are correct that Lua/Scribunto doesn't provide any page state (this is an intentional design decision, meant to make partial (re)parses of pages possible without having to deal with potential side effects). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:54, 30 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Actually, state can be preserved by using DPL vars, as is already used in Module:Recipe table. –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 03:35, 1 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Well, yeah, but DPL is an unrelated extension (and all of the DPL extensions are viewed with suspicion by WMF developers); my understanding of Nil's comment was that they were asking about methods purely in Lua/Scribunto to do so. If you're going to throw other extensions into the mix, though, you could just use Ext:Variables as well (assuming there's no hidden gotcha's preventing that from working). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:42, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Low InvSprite quality
The InvSprites seem to have low image quality for me (look at the colo[u]rs). Is it Gamepedia's, the Sprite module's or the spritesheet uploader's fault? Or is my cache outdated? | violine1101(Talk) 14:50, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think it has low quality. Probably your cache is outdated. – DentedHarp90041 tc 03:47, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I actually asked because clearing my cache didn't help. After further investigation, I noticed that the sprite background image is  when I use Firefox, which is the one with the lower quality. The sprite background when using Edge or Chrome is   which is fine. Gamepedia seems to mess things up. | violine1101(Talk) 09:49, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Weird. I use Firefox and still get the second image. The first one is indeed of substantially lower quality due to color depth reduction (8 bits per pixel instead of 32). --AttemptToCallNil (report bug, view backtrace) 10:10, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * And when I try to save this section,  is always replaced by  . Weird. | violine1101(Talk) 10:22, 1 July 2017 (UTC)


 * You must have some script/addon/plugin changing it. The sprite doesn't use, and has never used, "instart". You can see this on MediaWiki:Common.css (first added). –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 11:27, 1 July 2017 (UTC)


 * That's the weird thing: It's not because of any script, addon or plugin. It also happens if I am logged out. I don't have any addons or plugins. I checked using the Firefox F12 Network debug tool, the page is sent directly from the server to me with the instart urls, so it is a server-side problem. | violine1101(Talk) 11:37, 1 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Tell me if you see instart in either of these URLs: https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=site&only=styles&skin=hydra, https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css. –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 11:42, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

It's not on the German wiki though, only here. | violine1101(Talk) 11:52, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. If I had to guess, there's a php script which replaces all occurences of hydra-media with instart for me.


 * You see it on both? That's quite surprising. Even more so that it only happens on Firefox (which makes it seem clientside). Can you check the headers for one of those requests and see if there's any redirects or otherwise non-200 response, and what IP address it comes from in both Firefox and Chrome? –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 12:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

There are no non-200 responses after a hard reload, except for a 302 Moved Temporarily for MediaWiki:SpriteDoc.css which just appends &* to the url, and a 301 Moved Permanently for a Creative Commons image. Same in both browsers. IP adress is 192.33.31.70 in both browsers. | violine1101(Talk) 12:24, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I see it on both. | violine1101(Talk) 12:27, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

New topic
I made some edits without being logged in. They can be seen in my contributions but i have not made all this edits. For example the one in the article cake is not me but its done in between edits i made. Also the IP is strange since i am editing from Sweden and whois gives USA!? How can the IP be that one and how can it be assigned to more people? /54.87.181.129 16:10, 2 July 2017 (UTC)


 * IPs are dynamic and change whenever you start your router, unless you have specifically bought a static IP. The location of IPs cannot be accurately determined, and subnets may be bought by other ISPs, thus changing the approximate location. –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 02:48, 4 July 2017 (UTC)


 * That was not the problem here. Two people don't use the same IP at once if its not a shared one. I always have a Swedish IP and even when this occurred i had it when i checked with whatismyIP. There must be something in the wiki that uses another IP like VPN or Proxy. That is a problem because people doing destructive edits cant be targeted that easy. (Also now i am back at my normal Swedish IP) /83.255.21.112 10:45, 8 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I actually didn't read your post properly, I thought you were talking about older edits being made by someone else. Yes it was a reverse proxy CDN that was being tested on some users, which broke a bunch of other stuff and was disabled a few hours ago. –Majr ᐸ Talk Contribs 11:28, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Redirect policy
I've recently deleted a bunch of pages from Category:Pending deletion, including a number of redirects which are not needed as they are unlikely to be searched (e.g. certain redirects to version pages and other obscure redirects). However I'm unsure as to the policy for the rest of the redirects and whether to keep them or not. When is pluralisation allowed? What about capitalisation? Spacing? & vs and? Alternate spellings? –Goandgoo ᐸ <small style="display:inline-block;line-height:1em;vertical-align:-0.4em">Talk Contribs 03:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Pretty sure there's not a policy, per se. But there's an attempt to hash one out.
 * There's a stalled redirect cleanup project where a lot of discussion was generated, but the will to finish never seemed to come together. There were several things we mostly agreed on.
 * Keeping redirects around for the sake of external pages is a bad idea
 * Keeping plural redirects like wolves or minecarts with chest (that aren't simple plurals: you don't just tack an "s" onto the end) is a good thing
 * Keeping simple plurals like creepers is in conflict with the Style Guide on linking, because you should be writing such links like: creepers . It also tends to clog up the search results (which is largely the point of the project) because as you type "Creep", you'll always see "Creeper" and "Creepers" right next to one another; it serves no purpose in that way either.
 * All-lowercase redirects exist so links can be written in all-lowercase form, without having ugly links like block of gold, and this is a good thing.
 * Maybe you could also look at:
 * Minecraft_Wiki_talk:Projects/Redirect_cleanup. The banner redirects are probably unnecessary.  Looking at the code, I'm almost certain of it.  Maybe you could delete one link, and see if anything breaks, since you have the power to do that.
 * Also, any color- or wood- variant redirects like Blue Bed and Acacia Fence Gate.
 * – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 04:03, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Wiki is thinking I'm removing https protocol from various websites when I actually aren't.
Well, it happened again this morning. Just editing as usual and the wiki somehow thought I was doing something different. -BDJP (t 11:18, 7 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Assuming its the CDN. User talk:Majr. –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 11:39, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Translation cleanup
Since large changes to all pages are coming, these unfinished translations are going to become even more obsolete than they already were, so they really have no value.

These are the inactive translations currently (no significant translation this year):
 * Arabic
 * Bulgarian
 * Catalan
 * Croatian
 * Danish
 * Estonian
 * Farsi
 * Greek
 * Hebrew
 * Icelandic
 * Indonesian
 * Irish
 * Romanian
 * Serbian
 * Turkish

The ones in bold were considered inactive in the previous topic too, where none of the translators came forward to disagree with deleting the projects, and so they will be deleted momentarily. The others I will leave for a week of discussion before deleting them.

For remaining projects, I would like to simplify the requirements: Translate the main page, then you get your own wiki. I think having the translation pages be tacked on the English ones at "temporary" names is discouraging to translators, as if they do eventually meet the old requirements, they still have a bunch of work to do to move all their existing pages to the correct names and fix any templates they made. I also find they tend to waste time translating pages (and templates, which really shouldn't be translated at all in the projects) which are not necessary to meet the requirements to finish the project, which then results in the project often remaining for too long, and thus dying. So getting the project moved into its own wiki, where the changes are final, and they are free to translate whatever they like and actually have those pages read by the general public, should improve the chance the wiki will succeed.

These projects have had some activity this year, however are not viable to move to a separate wiki yet. Any pages which are a few years out of date should be deleted, and the participants should be contacted to see if they want to improve the translation so it can be moved to a separate wiki.
 * Esperanto
 * Finnish
 * Lithuanian
 * Norwegian
 * Tagalog
 * Slovak
 * Swedish
 * Ukrainian
 * Vietnamese

These projects look ready to go now under the new requirements, and so if there are no disagreements I will ask for them to be moved.
 * Czech
 * Thai

Pings:

, your translation projects are inactive, and may be deleted soon. Please reply if you would like to update your translations to meet the simplified requirements, so the project can be completed and given its own wiki.

, your translation projects are almost ready to be completed, you just need to update the "Minecraft Wiki" page translation to the current version of the page, then the project should be able to be completed and moved to its own wiki.

–Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 01:52, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Is it safe to assume when you count "activity this year", you don't count users like myself who might go into a translation page and fix broken sprites and things like that? – Sealbudsman <span style="transform: rotate(-16deg); display: inline-block; top: -1px; position: relative;">talk/contr 06:07, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Correct, I only counted edits which actually translated the page. –Majr ᐸ <small style=display:inline-block;line-height:9px;vertical-align:-3px>Talk Contribs 06:09, 9 July 2017 (UTC)